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Kevin Price
Aug 19, 2011, 12:55:25 PM8/19/11
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Before I sewed a custom strap halo I used a square knot for the halo, and cow hitch knots for the tie-downs.
As I see it, the pros and cons for halo tie-down system compared to the tape anchor system shake out like this:
Halo Pros
- Quicker and easier to rig than tape anchors
- Provides more security for roof triangles (basically a 2nd tension ring)
- Reusable (less tape for each build)
Halo Cons
- If any of the tie-down points fail the entire system looses tension
Only one con, but it's a big one. You must be very careful with your tie downs and stakes if you choose to go with a halo for your Hexayurt. I lost half my Hexayurt panels when the wind pulled out one of my stakes and threw my Hexayurt into a tree. This was when my Hexayurt was left unattended for two weeks in a place with very high winds. If you are living in the Hexayurt and can inspect your tie-downs regularly I think the halo approach works great. For long-term installations where the tie-downs may not be inspected regularly I recommend tape anchors.
-Tripod
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM, <hexayurt...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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- Rope Halo [2 Updates]
Topic: Rope HaloPete Baker <pete...@gmail.com> Aug 18 10:03AM -0700 ^
Elliot - that sounds like a good plan. I'm gonna check out your knots as
you seem to have a good idea of whats going to work.
How about folks take some pictures of their rope halos in action and post
them and their experiences after the burn? That way we can figure out what
works and what doesn't work, and put together a wiki page with best
practices.
I'm happy putting together the info post-BM if other folks are willing to
chip in with some info & pictures :)
Who's in?
-P
Elliot <kry...@gmail.com> Aug 18 04:27PM -0600 ^
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I'm up for it. We'll see if I remember during the anarchy of the burn though
:P
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Julie Danger
Aug 22, 2011, 7:06:27 AM8/22/11
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Hey all, I'm catching up (very late!) on my gmail.
Saw some stuff on rope halos, thought I'd put my two cents in:
I like a really long rope for the halo itself, because I want to be able to reach it and adjust things. It's quite long because I can't really reach much more than 3 foot up the roof. We use a pretty thick rope (about 1/2 inch?) for the halo. We use quite small diameter rope for the guy lines because you can make really good knots with smaller rope--more like what is sold as "clothesline." Mr Camp of Camp-Danger is the rigging/rockclimbing expert, this wisdom he imparts on to me.
As for rebar, I cannot stop recommending 'rebar staples.' You can make your own out of thinner rebar-- bend them into a croquet wicket shape with a vice or anything that will hold them still. Pound them into the ground in the shape of an upsidedown teardrop, with the ends touching. They pull out very easily and don't leave an exposed sharp thing to trip on. I however manage to trip over my guy wires anyway.
Additionally I am playa-testing some alternative tapes this year, to see if we can find something more UV resistant than the bidirectional filament tape. If you have a sample or recommendation, contact me!
Happy burning everyone!
Julie Danger
Saw some stuff on rope halos, thought I'd put my two cents in:
I like a really long rope for the halo itself, because I want to be able to reach it and adjust things. It's quite long because I can't really reach much more than 3 foot up the roof. We use a pretty thick rope (about 1/2 inch?) for the halo. We use quite small diameter rope for the guy lines because you can make really good knots with smaller rope--more like what is sold as "clothesline." Mr Camp of Camp-Danger is the rigging/rockclimbing expert, this wisdom he imparts on to me.
As for rebar, I cannot stop recommending 'rebar staples.' You can make your own out of thinner rebar-- bend them into a croquet wicket shape with a vice or anything that will hold them still. Pound them into the ground in the shape of an upsidedown teardrop, with the ends touching. They pull out very easily and don't leave an exposed sharp thing to trip on. I however manage to trip over my guy wires anyway.
Additionally I am playa-testing some alternative tapes this year, to see if we can find something more UV resistant than the bidirectional filament tape. If you have a sample or recommendation, contact me!
Happy burning everyone!
Julie Danger
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, <hexayurt...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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- Rope Halo [2 Updates]
Topic: Rope Halo
aQui <luck...@gmail.com> Aug 07 08:59AM -0700 ^
I'm thinking of using 6 tie down straps to secure the rope halo.
Using the hooks to tie in to the halo, and the middle of the strap
looping through the rebar candy canes.
If i was going to do this with six ratcheting tie downs how long would
I need them to be?
Also, any ideas for protecting the edges of the yurt the tie downs
would be rubbing against?
Also, do you think it necessary to wrap the rebar in something so the
tie down straps aren't being worn thru?
Much love to this group,
aQui
Richard Ginn <richa...@gmail.com> Aug 07 04:31PM -0400 ^
Climbing ropes, especially those with a core that is not visible, are
sometimes laid over carpeting so the sharp edge of the rock doesn't wear
them out. That would probably work for the rebar.
Maybe a thicker carpeting mat would work for the roof/wall edge? Or maybe
the force of the tie down would still damage the edge, so something to
spread the force out over a longer distance might be needed. If you could
safely split a plastic pipe down the middle that might work, like with a
band saw? Cutting plastic pipe that way is a recipe for cutting your hand
open too, so be careful.
Ray Kornele
Aug 22, 2011, 10:26:31 AM8/22/11
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How about polypropylene tape? Polypro is UV proof.
KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)
KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)
Phil Dirt
Aug 23, 2011, 1:41:17 AM8/23/11
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I've tried the candy cane method and the staple method and found them
very difficult to pound into the playa. The rebar tends to vibrate and
the vibration absorbs much of the force of the sledge hammer. This
year I'l be trying the acute L approach. Heat the rebar with a torch
and bend the top 2.5-3" to an acute angle, about 100º from the long
end. This will lock in the guy rope and still bury the end of the
rebar into the playa. You can still trip on the guy rope. Also, easy
to pull out with a chain and trailer hitch.
On Aug 22, 4:06 am, Julie Danger <juliedan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, I'm catching up (very late!) on my gmail.
>
> Saw some stuff on rope halos, thought I'd put my two cents in:
>
> I like a really long rope for the halo itself, because I want to be able to
> reach it and adjust things. It's quite long because I can't really reach
> much more than 3 foot up the roof. We use a pretty thick rope (about 1/2
> inch?) for the halo. We use quite small diameter rope for the guy lines
> because you can make really good knots with smaller rope--more like what is
> sold as "clothesline." Mr Camp of Camp-Danger is the rigging/rockclimbing
> expert, this wisdom he imparts on to me.
>
> As for rebar, I cannot stop recommending *'rebar staples.'* You can make
>
> > Topic: Rope Halo<http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt/t/6ab2ca3932dd9ee>
>
> > aQui <luckya...@gmail.com> Aug 07 08:59AM -0700 ^<#131aa21138504097_digest_top>
very difficult to pound into the playa. The rebar tends to vibrate and
the vibration absorbs much of the force of the sledge hammer. This
year I'l be trying the acute L approach. Heat the rebar with a torch
and bend the top 2.5-3" to an acute angle, about 100º from the long
end. This will lock in the guy rope and still bury the end of the
rebar into the playa. You can still trip on the guy rope. Also, easy
to pull out with a chain and trailer hitch.
On Aug 22, 4:06 am, Julie Danger <juliedan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, I'm catching up (very late!) on my gmail.
>
> Saw some stuff on rope halos, thought I'd put my two cents in:
>
> I like a really long rope for the halo itself, because I want to be able to
> reach it and adjust things. It's quite long because I can't really reach
> much more than 3 foot up the roof. We use a pretty thick rope (about 1/2
> inch?) for the halo. We use quite small diameter rope for the guy lines
> because you can make really good knots with smaller rope--more like what is
> sold as "clothesline." Mr Camp of Camp-Danger is the rigging/rockclimbing
> expert, this wisdom he imparts on to me.
>
> your own out of thinner rebar-- bend them into a croquet wicket shape with a
> vice or anything that will hold them still. Pound them into the ground in
> the shape of an upsidedown teardrop, with the ends touching. They pull out
> very easily and don't leave an exposed sharp thing to trip on. I however
> manage to trip over my guy wires anyway.
>
> Additionally I am playa-testing some alternative tapes this year, to see if
> we can find something more UV resistant than the bidirectional filament
> tape. If you have a sample or recommendation, contact me!
>
> Happy burning everyone!
> Julie Danger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, <hexayurt...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt/topics
>
> > - Rope Halo <#131aa21138504097_group_thread_0> [2 Updates]
> vice or anything that will hold them still. Pound them into the ground in
> the shape of an upsidedown teardrop, with the ends touching. They pull out
> very easily and don't leave an exposed sharp thing to trip on. I however
> manage to trip over my guy wires anyway.
>
> Additionally I am playa-testing some alternative tapes this year, to see if
> we can find something more UV resistant than the bidirectional filament
> tape. If you have a sample or recommendation, contact me!
>
> Happy burning everyone!
> Julie Danger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, <hexayurt...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt/topics
>
>
> > Topic: Rope Halo<http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt/t/6ab2ca3932dd9ee>
>
> > aQui <luckya...@gmail.com> Aug 07 08:59AM -0700 ^<#131aa21138504097_digest_top>
>
> > I'm thinking of using 6 tie down straps to secure the rope halo.
> > Using the hooks to tie in to the halo, and the middle of the strap
> > looping through the rebar candy canes.
>
> > If i was going to do this with six ratcheting tie downs how long would
> > I need them to be?
>
> > Also, any ideas for protecting the edges of the yurt the tie downs
> > would be rubbing against?
>
> > Also, do you think it necessary to wrap the rebar in something so the
> > tie down straps aren't being worn thru?
>
> > Much love to this group,
>
> > aQui
>
> > Richard Ginn <richardg...@gmail.com> Aug 07 04:31PM -0400 ^<#131aa21138504097_digest_top>
> > I'm thinking of using 6 tie down straps to secure the rope halo.
> > Using the hooks to tie in to the halo, and the middle of the strap
> > looping through the rebar candy canes.
>
> > If i was going to do this with six ratcheting tie downs how long would
> > I need them to be?
>
> > Also, any ideas for protecting the edges of the yurt the tie downs
> > would be rubbing against?
>
> > Also, do you think it necessary to wrap the rebar in something so the
> > tie down straps aren't being worn thru?
>
> > Much love to this group,
>
> > aQui
>
Steve Upstill
Aug 23, 2011, 10:14:34 AM8/23/11
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I still love my U's: take two pieces of long (two or three feet) galvanized slightly larger than the rebar and insert half the rebar in each, leaving a gap of an inch or two. Stand on one, use the other to bend. Presto! a tight U that drives in and pulls out like a dream, with no shin hazard.
--
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Chasomatic
Aug 23, 2011, 10:48:43 AM8/23/11
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I use straight rebar. I have a "Rebar Pounder" that I made out of a
heavy weight and short piece of electrical conduit. It acts like a
slide hammer and the rebar jumps into the playa. I also place my rebar
right next to the side of the Hexayurt (between 2 corners) this allows
me to run a rope from each corner anchor and not trip people walking
by.
My question is about the tape seal between the yurt and tarp. Right
now I'm thinking of using blue painters tape (wide as possible). This
seal isn't structural as far as I know and the painters tape should
pull off the foil with no damage. Comments?
Charlie
heavy weight and short piece of electrical conduit. It acts like a
slide hammer and the rebar jumps into the playa. I also place my rebar
right next to the side of the Hexayurt (between 2 corners) this allows
me to run a rope from each corner anchor and not trip people walking
by.
My question is about the tape seal between the yurt and tarp. Right
now I'm thinking of using blue painters tape (wide as possible). This
seal isn't structural as far as I know and the painters tape should
pull off the foil with no damage. Comments?
Charlie
Milt Fisher
Aug 23, 2011, 11:16:02 AM8/23/11
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How do you attach the rope to the rebar?
Alejandro Moreno
Aug 23, 2011, 1:28:24 PM8/23/11
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The painter's tape does seem to be the widest tape available at home despot, and it should peel away from the foil easily, though the flip side of that is that it can pull away easily from the tarp on the playa too. I'm using gorilla tape for the tarp, and assuming it doesn't peel away easily from the foil when it's time to pack out, I'll simply cut the tape and leave it stuck to the foil. Then when I get home, I'll leave the panels out in the sun which should make the gorilla tape fall apart as it supposedly becomes worthless in direct UV. Can't speak from past experience though as this is my 1st time. But I have painted before, and the painter's blue doesn't seem strong enough with just one strip around, maybe doubled up would work ok.
As for attaching rope to straight rebar, I'm curious... Charlie, how are you going to do that? Does the rope not slip off?
Alejandro
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