Yet Another Revitalization Attempt

[Samuel Joyce]

Another shot at revival; the Divided States of America. Basically, everyone has a nation that is a successor state of the former United States. Here's your basic options:

The Plutocracy of New York (backed internationally by certain smaller states of Europe)

The Holy State of Deseret Formerly Known As Utah (ruled by Mitt Romney)

The People's Republic of California (Chinese-backed, south-central CA)

The Free State of Las Vegas (sorta like the Free City of Kowloon; controls Nevada, Vegas metro area) (backed by Netherlands)

The Jingoistic States of Texas (includes Oklahoma); mostly north/east Texas

The CSA (no explanation needed)

The Reformed Tribal Territories (southwest, at war with Mexico)

Cascadia (see before)

The North Atlantic Union (backed by Canada and UK)

Kingdom of Hawaii (backed by Australia, New Zealand)

Aleut/Inuit (Nunavut/Alaska/Yukon/NW Territories)

Republic of Florida (south of I-75 corridor, includes corridor) (backed by Cuba, Bahamas, variety of other Caribbean states)

Free State of New Orleans (basically Louisiana; backed by same backers as FL)

Chicago Empire (Rust Belt area)

Great Plains Federation (self-explanatory)

Quebec (French-backed)

Newfoundland & Labrador (part of UK)

Canada (British-backed)

United States of America (rump state; DC+MD+WV+VA)

So pick! I want the rump USA.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

I have some ideas for games that are meant to be played by email. If you guys don't like *diplomacy* (it works!- so simple, and it's a great game), you guys might have heard of the Glory of Kings. With rules other than the ultra-subjective "realism" it is tried and tested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glory_of_Kings 

[Samuel Joyce]

That looks far too complex.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

I highly recommend diplomacy. It has easy rules, would not take up the entire day, and does not require even more than one person online at a time. Furthermore the rules are written down and objective. 7 people should not be so difficult to find here. And the time controls could be set to a move a day. A move every 2 days. A move by the next mutually agreed upon date. Whatever. 

[John Doe]

@Sam. Glory of Kings? I suppose so. There would be the whole learning thing. But that's what makes the game fun. Look at the est part: after the game, AP (or IB) Euro's a cinch.

[John Doe]

Well, if you don't like it, how about diplomacy?

[Samuel Joyce]

I fail to see how it applies to modern European economics

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

Well it does apply. But AP Euro refers to "Advanced Placement European History."

[Samuel Joyce]

Make your case for Blackbeard having a direct affect on European economics since the beginning of 1999. And IB European History begins around French Revolution.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Samuel Joyce]

But Diplomacy. I shall be Austria.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

I will not Sam, and you can't make me. I never specified how much it applies. There is no direct impact of the things that happened, but that does not mean there is no application. E.g. the Franco-British rivalry. Must I need to provide proof that there is some relation between the nature of french monarchy, the french revolution, the advent of monarchy overthrow, the new nature of international relations, and present day economics? 

Good to know. But you realize that this directly pertains to the french revolution?

[John Doe]

Diplomacy it is then. I don't wanna get stuck with deathaly so I chose france!

[Samuel Joyce]

Or wait. We could simply appoint someone to be the "realism arbiter", maybe 2-3 people, who's role will be to simply make sure everything stays realistic.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Ryan Jung]

I choose Russia for diplomacy!

[Caleb Haengel]

fuck you ryan

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ryan Jung <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

I choose Russia for diplomacy!

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Before judging someone, you should always walk a mile in their shoes. Then you're a mile away from them, and you have their shoes.

[Ryan Jung]

Russia has subs. I want Russia. Considering this is no longer hetalia, I have more Russian qualities than you anyways *EPIC WIN*

[Caleb Haengel]

i am actually russian, i consider that a defining russian quality

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Jung <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Russia has subs. I want Russia. Considering this is no longer hetalia, I have more Russian qualities than you anyways *EPIC WIN*

[Ryan Jung]

Well according to Noah and Sam, I know how to *kill* russians by blood (Finnish ftw)

[Caleb Haengel]

not really, the first and second waves of russians were killed by the finns. however the third wave pretty much bitchslapped them to sleep for there insolence. and then murdered them.

[Robert Richardson]

You know why don't we go off of a book called "After America"  Based off of where America's population is dissapeared due to a high energy wave on the eve of 2003.

  

 

idk just a idea. Signing off.

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Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

Ronald Reagan

[John Doe]

Sam, your realism idea is one that might work, but I like the prospects of diplomacy more. I'm not saying role playing games like the one Robert suggested are stupid, I'm just saying they're difficult to set up, and time consuming. Reality arbiters would have to partially revoke their right to play, and would quarrel amongst themselves. Let's give Diplomacy a try first. And guys, arguing about Russia is kind of pointless unless you're arguing about getting 4 units instead of 3 (rather than saying one of you is more intrinsically Russian). I suppose though that you're joking?

[Noah Lincoln]

Ok Ryan Is the Tsar of Russia, I am now the Swiss Cantons. Switzerland ftw.

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Alles wird gut

[John Doe]

You realize there is no Switzerland in Diplomacy (that you can play as). It is an impassable region. This is the board game (that we might play by mail).

[Ronald Knish]

and I'm the UK or Britten or what ever else u call it

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HOCKEY IS BEAST
HOCKEY IS BEAST

[Ryan Jung]

Russia is mine! Caleb...remember the White Death?

[Robert Richardson]

It isn't a role playing game -_- It is a scenario, where most of North America's population has disapeared due to a high energy electromagnetic wave.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ryan Jung <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Russia is mine! Caleb...remember the White Death?

[Robert Richardson]

So a board game played by mail? I don't know how that is going to work.

[Noah Lincoln]

oh ok. Germany then 

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Alles wird gut

[John Doe]

@Robert, the board is quite simple and available over the internet. Actually, there are only  2 types of pieces. In fact, this has been done a lot and not just by us. I think it will work. There are some small issues we can address later.

[John Doe]

@Noah good choice. Glad you didn't choose Austria-Hungary (more difficult to play).

[Samuel Joyce]

At that time it's just Austria.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

This is pre-WW1 so I'm not so sure.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Samuel Joyce <lightnin...@gmail.com> wrote:

At that time it's just Austria.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think Thisany gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Samuel Joyce]

Yeah, but they converted ~1870, and all material refers to Austria.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

It's colloquially referred to as Austria. But it's technically austria-hungary. I'm not saying you can't call it austria, I'm only saying it's also correct to call it austria-hungary.

PLAYERS AND COUNTRIES

The game of Diplomacy® is best played by seven players. Rules for fewer players are

included in the Alternate Way to Play section of this rulebook on pg. 19. Each player

represents one of the seven “Great Powers of Europe” in the years prior to World War I.

These Great Powers include England, Germany, Russia, Turkey, Italy, France, and Austria-

Hungary (hereafter referred to as Austria). At the start of the game, the players randomly

decide which Great Power each will represent. This is the only element of chance in

the game.

Note: At various places in the rules, the term “country” is used generically to represent

“Great Power.”

-Copied from the rulebook.http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy_rulebook.pdf

[John Doe]

Although, why isn't "Turkey" called Ottoman empire?

[John Doe]

Anyone else want to go through with this diplomacy idea?

We still need:

Italy

England

Turkey

Ryan or Caeleb will get Russian and the other will chose one of the above countries. That makes two countries we that we need.

[Ian Simpson]

Italy or uk

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[John Doe]

You can have England, I trust you. That leaves Turkey and Italy.

[John Doe]

Yallo? Ryan or Caleb Turkey? You could be Russia and Turkey and juggernaut. And we need one more person to be Italy. Be brave!

[Robert Richardson]

Way to busy.

[John Doe]

Ok. Anyone else? Btw, anyone realize google reads your emails? My ads on the side say Germany Austria Italy and Russia.

[Samuel Joyce]

Well my ads want me to fly to Germany, and tell me BP is still committed to revitalizing the gulf.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[John Doe]

Did anyone else get Woodrow Wilson stuff? I only get it in this email where I talk about politics. 

Anyways, this would take much less time than anything else you would do. But people do need to put forth time talking with others.

[Robert Richardson]

um what?

[John Doe]

What are you asking? I wasn't speaking directly to you.