Ender's Game

[John Doe]

Orson Scott Card is a right-wing bigoted jerk?

salon.com/2000/02/03/card/

[Silence Dogood]

Well it seems to not load on my phone. Judging from reading Ender's Game I'd say Card was a anti-Cold War (although anti-communist), anti-authoritarian, humanistic weak liberal.

[Silence Dogood]

Perhaps bigoted, as he wrote a post-apocalyptic (eh? Sorta) book completely stressing the stubborness and ignorance of the human race. Jerk, well, I've never met the guy

[John Doe]

No, I didn't like the book, but it wasn't near this bad.

" Judging from reading Ender's Game I'd say Card was a anti-Cold War (although anti-communist), anti-authoritarian, humanistic weak liberal. "

This guy is a right-wing strict Mormon anti-homosexual (as in actually believes homosexuality is immoral/against biology), condescending pro-military, pro-violence, _pro-vietnam_ (and korean wars), pro_grenada_, anti-freud/jung jerk/ignoramus.

Even though the writer is some radical, ultra-left, communist, feminist, I still don't like Card.

[Silence Dogood]

Wow. That's a shocker

[Tarek]

Guys for the geometry journals, what did you put for the last one and 6th to last one.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Silence Dogood <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow. That's a shocker

[John Doe]

The tragedy: I'm the only one online and I can't help you.

[Tarek]

lol

[Richard Copenhaver]

heh i'm online, i just didn't start them yet

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM, John Doe <jdoe3.1...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Robert Richardson]

What is wrong with being pro-military?

--

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

Ronald Reagan

[Robert Richardson]

And Korea, Grenada? Look at North Korea today, the US citizens held hostage at their university in Grenada.

[Samuel Joyce]

Pro-military=pro-war. Pro-war=pro-murder. Murder=morally wrong.

And I think that's the point he's trying to make, North Korea and Grenada are much more anti-American today than they should be, and it's probably due (at least in the latter case) to the US government randomly bombing them. Grenada in particular was a flagrant violation of international law (and most likely a calculated political move to draw attention away from Lebanon). As for Korea... Bodo League massacre? War crimes? Typically such crimes against humanity are termed "bad".

--

Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[Samuel Joyce]

And as an aside, when I google "Ender's Game", I get Mitt Romney's facebook info page, where he talks about how he likes that book, and something by L. Ron Hubbard...

[Samuel Joyce]

Please answer the following questions in your response:

Is our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interest?

Is the terrorist threat is the predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others, and unrelated  to do with us being free and prosperous?

Does propping up repressive regimes in the Middle East endanger both the United States and Israel?

Is occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan  directly related to the hatred directed toward us?

Is losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11  not a fair tradeoff with the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens, no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistani, and Afghan people are killed or displaced?

Is torture, even if called “enhanced interrogation technique”, self-destructive and produces no useful information and is contracting it out to a third world nation just as evil?

Is war and military spending always destructive to the economy?

Is all war-time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?

Do war-time conditions always undermine personal liberty?

Do conservatives who preach small government really believe in small government, as our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government?

Will conservatives understand once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?

Are the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests?

Does the quest for empire eventually destroy all great nations?

Does Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq?

Is a military draft is being planned for for the wars that would spread if our foreign policy is not changed?

Does our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security, and does it never change from one administration to the next?

Is war in preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests?

Is President Obama  completely wrong about Afghanistan, and could it be worse than Iraq and Vietnam put together?

Does Christianity actually teach peace and not preventive wars of aggression?

Is diplomacy superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?

[ScottLee1998]

I get it Sam. I agree that war is not good, as it is simply 2-way murder on a large scale (or self defense). But the military is necessary, and while we don't always like those who give orders,  the people who fight and die every day for us are worthy of respect. We may want to consider showing a little.

Sent from my iPod

[Tarek]

Grass by Carl Sandburg....

[Scott Lee]

My god. you just used something from Mrs. Vincent's class without being told.

--

You are authorized, your existance will continue

[Tarek]

Shut up Scott...

[ScottLee1998]

I don't wanna!

Sent from my iPod

[Tarek]

-.- really?

[Samuel Joyce]

Yes, the military is necessary, but foreign wars of aggression are not. Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with other nations with threats and violence is NOT isolationism, it is the opposite, opening the way to honest trade and friendship. Diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity. It is the only foreign policy that will not bankrupt us in the short order, as our current policy most definitely will. Our foreign policy will, however, change eventually, as Rome's did, when all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM, ScottLee1998 <scottl...@gmail.com> wrote:

[John Doe]

I was going to argue this out but I'll just let Sam do it. Although, I don't necessarily subscribe to everything he says. Also, just because the military is necessary doesn't mean it should be.

[Silence Dogood]

I don't wish to start another argument but I believe people should have the highest and upmost reasons and ways to protect themselves

[John Doe]

Of course, I was being a little ideological, but in an ideal society people wouldn't need to protect themselves on such a large scale.

[Silence Dogood]

Ah but are we ever in an ideal society? No. Utopia never has and never will be reached

[John Doe]

I didn't say Utopia, and I didn't say we are an ideal society. Should you not strive for perfection even if it is unattainable?

[Silence Dogood]

In some aspects, but not with society. Why should I go to such lengths to change a pop culture society to a rock society, for example? "Who's this Paul McCartney guy? He's totally ripping off glee" -facebook posts right after the Grammy's. Today's generation is hopeless

[Scott Lee]

The world is not perfect. It never has been and never will be. We shouldn't need a millitary, or ever have to deploy the one we already have. I didn't say I support our current foreign policy. I do however, respect and see need for the armed services. By the way sam, I'm not the expert on these kind of things, but I don't think Rome changed. It was destroyed by the Gauls. A society can only be overthrown by an inferior force is when it is too immersed in its own decadence (seems like we're going that way now).

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Silence Dogood <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

In some aspects, but not with society. Why should I go to such lengths to change a pop culture society to a rock society, for example? "Who's this Paul McCartney guy? He's totally ripping off glee" -facebook posts right after the Grammy's. Today's generation is hopeless

[Scott Lee]

Ryan, I agree with you about this generation. But if you can't change something, why worry? We do the best we can, and just keep going. Don't get all down in it. I love the cynical viewpoint, and enjoy presenting it, but its also good to just enjoy yourself, and deal with things as they come.

[Robert Richardson]

I do have a written out response to Sam's arguement but I'm not going to post it, I have to little time to argue I'm afraid.

[Tarek]

You had enough time to make a written out response...

[Robert Richardson]

lol it took me two seconds, but if I post it, it will go on and on...

[John Doe]

Yeah this is so much easier than debate: no rules.

[ScottLee1998]

Agreed.

Sent from my iPod

[Samuel Joyce]

Rome did change eventually. Then it was destroyed. They happened rather quickly. I foresee them happening again.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Scott Lee <scottl...@gmail.com> wrote: