KILL SOPA AND PIPA

[Noah Lincoln]

http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/sopa_testimony/?akid=1018.606560.JTkqV4&rd=1&t=2 Please join me and sign this petition to kill SOPA. thanks

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Freedom must be defended with your life 

[John Doe]

I hate this. I HAVE TO USE CACHED WIKIPEDIA!!!!!

[John Doe]

JK, I don't like this law either.

[John Doe]

Correction: It's not a law yet (and never will be probably).

[Nathan]

It has a lot of power behind it though

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Nathan

[Richard Copenhaver]

yeah. today is a protest by many sites like tumblr, wikipedia and google and lots more. really they're just trying to get us aware that this should be ruled unconstitutional, so the bill might not pass. but still taking a stand about this is important so yeah.

[Nathan]

I don't think anyone likes it and the government is more corrupt then ever so you never know

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Nathan

[Nathan]

what the government does

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Nathan

[Ryan Jung]

Nathan has a point. Look at the ruling in the Walmart scandal

[John Doe]

@Noah, people do like it. Old media companies are for (NBC), new ones are against (Wikipedia). They argue piracy steals jobs. Which they may be correct in. 

[spencer barnitz]

Kill SOPS and PICA  (Stop Online Piracy Act/ Protect IP Act) 

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

 

Go to this website, and stop the Congress from censoring the internet!

Do you want your internet to be censored? i don't!

The world would be better off with out it! Stop the movie and Production

companies from making their unconstitutional and it goes against the  first amendment with the freedom of press! The world shall not have this in the internet! this will effect the world, and will make horror for the internet. There will be suing, people going to jail, while the movie, and producers sit in their mansions in Hollywood, California, getting check after check from the websites that have their product on it. Google will shut down, Yahoo, and every other search engine. Everyone will sue each other until the internet collapses onto it's self, making it very hard to search, and no one will ever use the internet ever again! Do any of you want THAT! 

KILL SOPA, and PICA and help Google, and Wiki keep their web search up!

[Samuel Joyce]

Is Wikipedia really a media company? It's probably better to say it's sorta a battle between Hollywood and Silicon Valley...

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Ryan Jung]

Spencer, did you write this or did someone else did? Because I believe its SOPA, not SOPS. And it would be violating the 4th amendment (privacy) or the freedom of speech or the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not necessarily the freedom of press (blogs, maybe)

[Robert Richardson]

Mind giving me a break for today? I need to keep my email channels clear due to emails regarding exams!

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Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

Ronald Reagan

[Samuel Joyce]

It's freedom of press. They're censoring blogs, videos, news sites, everything.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Ryan Jung]

Oh, ok. Well everything would also include freedom of speech and privacy. This is so Ray Bradbury!

[Robert Richardson]

We're all against SOPA moving on with life, please I am trying to work -_-

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Ryan Jung <hasbrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, ok. Well everything would also include freedom of speech and privacy. This is so Ray Bradbury!

[Noah Lincoln]

THEN UNSUBSCRIBE ROBERT, OR DO WHAT MOST OF US DO AND STOP BEING ON GMAIL WHEN WORKING

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Alles wird gut

[Tarek]

Hehe.... Pipa....

[Robert Richardson]

Noah I get emails from my teachers and several students on gmail -_-

[Noah Lincoln]

then ignore us. its one email, not that big of a deal. suck it up and stop reopening it

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Alles wird gut

[Nathan]

@Ryan Spencer Did spell SOPA wrong

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Nathan

[Samuel Joyce]

If you don't want to get emails from the group, then unsubscribe from the group. Or set it to only read online, or just DON'T CLICK ON THE DAMN EMAIL IF IT PISSES YOU OFF SO MUCH.

"I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." 

--John Stuart Mill

[Robert Richardson]

Thank you for not spamming my inbox :D

[Ian Simpson]

STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM, they cant do it legally so why does it matter.

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[John Doe]

@Robert 

Might I suggest having a filter that marks your emails from hetalia? Not necessarily as spam but like mark red.

[Nathan]

@ Ian
They could pass it, the government is pretty corrupt and I would not be surprised if it did pass, but it will get repealed after a few months at most from protests.

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Nathan

[Caleb Haengel]

plus we have a bought congress, so that effects it too.

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Before judging someone, you should always walk a mile in their shoes. Then you're a mile away from them, and you have their shoes.

[Robert Richardson]

I doubt it would be passed if they actually read it and heed the letters from the people, funny Hollywood supports SOPA xD

[Nathan]

@Robert not too much Hollywood supports it so that people don't download their movies

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Nathan

[Samuel Joyce]

Cause it's more money for Hollywood. Plus, it's like the only issue in the world that I support Rubio more on than Nelson.

"If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people ... their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties ... someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'."

--John F. Kennedy

[Ian Simpson]

You people are sad, our government isn't that corrupt, its basically just republicans vs. democrats that slows us down. Any person with or without a brain can read the bill of rights and see that it is illegal

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[Noah Lincoln]

yet it took them /is taking plenty of them forever to figure that out. thus, the govt is corrupt.

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[Ian Simpson]

Government: old people tryin to act like they have balls that still work.

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[John Doe]

Who says it's illegal/can't be passed? Point to the article in the bill of rights that prohibits this!

I'm just saying, worse things have been passed. Take the espionage act for example.

[Scott Lee]

Just going to put this out there. I completely agree with Ian. I say we are far better off with government than with nothing, and I also believe that a complete overhaul of it would be a good thing. But thats just my opinion.

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HAIL EXCALIBUR!

[Samuel Joyce]

We're better off with a government, yes, but keep it small. As for the Amendments, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9.

"If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people ... their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties ... someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'."

--John F. Kennedy

[Ronald Knish]

hell yes for killing sops and pica.  kill them

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HOCKEY IS BEAST
HOCKEY IS BEAST

[Richard Copenhaver]

Sopa and pipa.

[John Doe]

for sam: 

1. It doesn't restrict freedom of speech. I have a right to copyright. mr. MUN. If free speech violates other's rights it takes secondary priority: e.g. fighting words, slander, obscenity, falsely yelling fire in theater, etc.http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/95-815.pdf

3. Amendment 3 has to do with quartering

4. Search and seizure, what?

5. Again nothing to do with it.

9.not a good argument

What do any of these have to do w/ SOPA/PIPA?

I'm just saying, just because most sensible people can see SOPA/PIPA are stupid doesn't mean it can't be passed in congress.

[Samuel Joyce]

specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. See Poe v. Ullman, 367 U. S. 497, 367 U. S. 516-522 (dissenting opinion). Various guarantees create zones of privacy. The right of association contained in the penumbra of the First Amendment is one, as we have seen. The Third Amendment, in its prohibition against the quartering of soldiers "in any house" in time of peace without the consent of the owner, is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." The Fifth Amendment, in its Self-Incrimination Clause, enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The Fourth and Fifth Amendments were described in Boyd v. United States, 116 U. S. 616, 116 U. S. 630, as protection against all governmental invasions "of the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of life." * We recently referred

Page 381 U. S. 485

in Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U. S. 643, 367 U. S. 656, to the Fourth Amendment as creating a "right to privacy, no less important than any other right carefully an particularly reserved to the people." See Beaney, The Constitutional Right to Privacy, 1962 Sup.Ct.Rev. 212; Griswold, The Right to be Let Alone, 55 Nw.U.L.Rev. 216 (1960).

We have had many controversies over these penumbral rights of "privacy and repose."See, e.g., Breard v. Alexandria, 341 U. S. 622, 341 U. S. 626, 341 U. S. 644; Public Utilities Comm'n v. Pollak, 343 U. S. 451; Monroe v. Pape, 365 U. S. 167; Lanza v. New York, 370 U. S. 139; Frank v. Maryland, 359 U. S. 360; Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U. S. 535, 316 U. S. 541. These cases bear witness that the right of privacy which presses for recognition here is a legitimate one.

The present case, then, concerns a relationship lying within the zone of privacy created by several fundamental constitutional guarantees. And it concerns a law which, in forbidding the use of contraceptives, rather than regulating their manufacture or sale, seeks to achieve its goals by means having a maximum destructive impact upon that relationship. Such a law cannot stand in light of the familiar principle, so often applied by this Court, that a

"governmental purpose to control or prevent activities constitutionally subject to state regulation may not be achieved by means which sweep unnecessarily broadly and thereby invade the area of protected freedoms."

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[John Doe]

And here is what they'ed argue:

By doing all this you are violating the ninth amendment. Construing free speech to block copyright... with your so-called penumbra jargon. 

In addition the US government is neither seizing property without warrant nor violating privacy. It is simply blocking the unlawful publication of works. 

[John Doe]

And no matter how much you reason, you won't convince these people. Or as they would say "I'm not a nerd."

[Samuel Joyce]

And the measures they are taking to do so violates privacy. Congress is stupid, they can pass it. But it's not constitutional.

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[Samuel Joyce]

And said "so-called penumbra jargon" comes straight from Griswold, which is a landmark of American jurisprudence.

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[John Doe]

Tell that to Congress Sam, you think I want this passed?

[Robert Richardson]

Consider this John I normally completely disagree with Sam yet I don't support SOPA and PIPA.

[John Doe]

I don't usually disagree with Sam. Only on issues such as legalization of drugs and some other things I can't remember.

[Samuel Joyce]

I believe the others were: should people have a right to defend themselves and are gay people people too?

And I have told this to Congress. Repeatedly. But I normally completely disagree with Rubio, but on this I like him better than Nelson.

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[John Doe]

Yeah now I remember, are men women, and the rich, poor?

[Samuel Joyce]

All are equal before the law.

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[John Doe]

no

[Noah Lincoln]

they are supposed to be at least.

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Alles wird gut

[John Doe]

Not exactly.

[Richard Copenhaver]

SOPA and PIPA have already been deemed toxic bills by many law makers. so those won't really be that much of a problem. 

But can we focus on more important matters like getting ACTA repealed

 

a little about ACTA  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-POCDQYBSFw&feature=youtu.be 

[Tarek]

ACTA IS EVIL!

[Robert Richardson]

Yep, I learned about it a while ago.

[Richard Copenhaver]

yeah i did too, i was just helping others becoming aware.

i am doing a documentary on SOPA, ACTA, and PIPA or any other ridiculous things that happen to come up during the production of my documentary  for my independent project.

[Tarek]

Dont. Richard he'll give u an F. To him, that isnt "tangible"

[Robert Richardson]

Email Rubio, Young, or any other Florida rep if you want to seriously take a stand against it.

[Caleb Haengel]

i dont think you got the talk during eighth block that stated what he really meant by tangible, so yes richard you could do that.

[Tarek]

No i did. I had him 7th. No scrapbooks, boards, or slide shows. Also, it had to be something that relates to you. That had "emotional" value. I supposed you could do it on the grounds that you value your rights... 

[Robert Richardson]

Reminds me of talking to some Brit friends of mine although they say I have a British accent and I'm like: ?!?

[Robert Richardson]

Great way to summarize it though. ^-^

[Noah Lincoln]

dude. a documentary is allowed. that topic is allowed  and if its not important to you then you are more politically messed up than sam and robert, with their exact opposite ideas on everything.

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Alles wird gut

[Robert Richardson]

lol Sam's a hardcore liberal democrat, I'm a conservative republican, bloody polar opposites :L Why do you have "Everything will be fine" as your sig Noah? I figured out a lot of German while talking with a German friend of mine in German >:D

[Noah Lincoln]

dude, its the name of the song that i found had as my status for an entire day and during that day you sad you found. derpaderp. and the literal definition is all will be good. 

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Alles wird gut

[Robert Richardson]

I found that song a long time before you had it as your status :S

[Richard Copenhaver]

Tarek documentarys are allowed.

i talked to him

and that is important so shut up i mean really

what would we do without the internet

seriously

also yeah lol Hardcore liberals and conservatives don't really mix that well.

[Ryan Jung]

Which explains our roadblock in Congress

[Richard Copenhaver]

xD yep. prettymuch

but this passed behind closed doors without to much conflict.

so u guess they both can agree on one thing.

[Robert Richardson]

Yep, although I wish we could have someone like Reagan and although I would like the president to be more conservative somewhat Clinton to actually negotiate effectively compromises instead of a psychotic hyper-liberal proposals.

[Ryan Jung]

Libertarians ftw! Not Clinton, Clinton's gun lock comparison failed. He said we protect our medications better than we protect our guns, yet tons of children every year die from medication poisoning. And Sam, shut up with your "that's because children are stupid". If you introduced children to guns, they would know not to mess with them, so screw you

[Robert Richardson]

Actual libertarians are cool in my book if the support a conservative style foriegn policy and I don't believe Sam is a true libertarian. (There is a libertarian reporter on FOX for example) And I agree with Ryan :P

[Robert Richardson]

Cept' for the Clinton part, he actually kept some of Reagan's economic and foriegn policy which I liked and he tried to compromise.

[Ryan Jung]

What is conservative foreign policy ideals?

[Tarek]

I know this is late but Richard, i said nothing bout documentaries. Just power points and scrap books.

[John Doe]

An interesting link:

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/index.php/past-debates/america-divided-us-politics/

On a slight tangent, I was listening to PRI's This American Life, a radio show:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=424 

Is there anyone here who's political orientation differs from there parents'?

[Samuel Joyce]

To respond to your questions (all of which I have missed due to Ryan apparently refusing to input my new email to the group...):

If all our Presidents were like Reagan, we would no longer exist. Probably about 20-30 years along, Britain or Russia or someone would get really pissed about the continuing scandals (ایران-کنترا) and just wipe us off the map. And if you were qualifying Obama as a "psychotic hyper-liberal", then you should note he is a New Democrat, like Clinton, and not a Progressive Democrat. As for Ryan, a conservative-style foreign policy is to "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity", to quote a noted conservative leader. I think Robert means that libertarians are fine to him if they aren't. Sam falls under the category of libertarian Democrat (see the excellent essay on such on Daily Kos). And did Ryan just suggest we should give children guns? What a brilliant idea. Let's give em drugs too so they know not to mess around with those, and some alcohol, and cars...

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

--The Rt Hon. Prof. Sir Dr. S.T. Colbert, Esq.

[Robert Richardson]

Brillant Sam I'm laughing and totally not caring about your opinion.

[Robert Richardson]

And the quotes are even stupider. :P Thanks Ryan.

[Richard Copenhaver]

oh by the way sam.

alcohol is a drug so you really didn't need to say that in there to, drugs covered alcohol

also we do give children drugs everyday pharmaceutical drugs, as well as the non pharmaceutical drug caffeine.

[John Doe]

Did everyone just ignore my question?

[Noah Lincoln]

yes  

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Alles wird gut

[John Doe]

Well I want to know!

Are your political ideologies the same as your parents'? If not explain how so please.

[Noah Lincoln]

oh was that your question? sorry then i like that questions. my ideals are horribly opposite of my mother. on the political compass im in the bottom right quadrant and my moms in top left. my dads bottom right(based on his insane business skills and the fact that hes broken laws from marijuana laws to fraud laws since he was 15 and doesnt pay taxes fo shit, its a good thing i dont know him :D) 

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[John Doe]

interesting everyone else?

[Noah Lincoln]

I know based on my visit to roberts house that both him and his dad are top right of varying degrees and sams family agree with him on botton left (im pretty sure)

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[John Doe]

Yes, I know this as well. (they are very outspoken about it) I am curious as to the others.

[Robert Richardson]

I'm actually more conservative than my father is.

[John Doe]

Now here's the question. Would you guys have been a different ideology if you're parents were different?

[Noah Lincoln]

not for me cause my mom didnt preach her politics until i told her mine. i dint know she was top left until i told her i was bottom right. 

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[Robert Richardson]

Probably not, unless the diffrent parents where main members of the MSM or high up Democratic party in which case the propaganda might've got me until I got a job and came to sense.

[John Doe]

@robert, statistics show you wrong. While you may have later changed your beliefs, you would have almost certainly been a democrat.

@ noah, you are definitely an anomaly.

[Robert Richardson]

Doubt that.

[John Doe]

Edit to been a democrat for much of childhood.

[Samuel Joyce]

Sam's parents are probably a bit more left economically than Sam, and probably more authoritarian (just cause I just took it and scored 2.50 to the left economically, and an 8.46 towards libertarian, so bout the same economically as Pope Benedict XVI, and the same socially as... uh... there's no one that socially libertarian... the Dalai Lama? The Greens?)

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[Samuel Joyce]

I was referring specifically to those deemed illegal in the US, particularly those subjected to the (failed) "War On Drugs", which is what it typically refers to in politics.

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[Samuel Joyce]

Yes. But Ryan:

Annenberg Election Survey, University of Pennsylvania, support for Federal Assault Weapons Ban:

68%--public

57%--gun owners

32%--NRA members

100%-Ronald Reagan

If the majority of the public, and a majority of gun owners, and a significant minority of NRA members think it's good sense, you cannot simply dismiss this as impossible or insane. Tucson is in the news again, with Giffords having to step down, yes? If the FAWB had been renewed, with its ban on high-capacity magazines, it's entirely likely the shooter at Tucson wouldn't have killed so many (he fired 31 shots and hit 20 people before reloading; under FAWB, he could have taken 10). Let's look at a few other places: Fort Hood shooting, 13 dead, 34 wounded; use of 30 and 20 round high-capacity magazines. Virginia Tech 2007 shooting, 33 dead, 17 wounded; use of 15-round high-capacity magazines. Xerox Hawaii shootings, 7 dead; use of 3 15-round high capacity magazines. Wedgewood Baptist Church, 8 dead, 7 wounded; three 15-round high capacity magazines. Long Island Railroad in 1993, 6 dead, 19 wounded; four 15-round high capacity magazines. Pettit & Martin Law OFfices, 1993, 9 dead, 6 wounded; 40-50 round high capacity magazines. Luby's Cafeteria (in Killeen, TX), 24 dead, 20 wounded; 17 & 15 round high capacity magazines. Cleveland Elementary School, 6 dead, 30 wounded; 75 round drum magazine. Notice a unifying theme? If 31 shoots had been 10, six people would be shot, 1-2 fatally, instead of 20 shot with 6 dead. Dozens of lives could have, would have been saved. But you need to cling to your excessive military-style gun, allegedly to make us all safer; I don't see how taking cops off the streets and putting assault weapons on them makes any of us safer. And as an interesting side note, the person who played a key role in killing the extension in 2004? House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX), who's currently serving 3 years in prison for money laundering. Wonder if that'll make him change his tune. But before you say anything about the 2nd Amendment, note that the U.S. Court of Appeals (D.C. Circuit) has ruled that an assault weapons/large-capacity magazine ban, as well as a law requiring those who want to keep guns to be fingerprinted and photographed, give a 5-year work history, allow police to conduct ballistics tests, and describe intended use, with registration every 3 years. doesn't violate the Constitution, in a 2-1 decision written by Judge Ginsburg which specifically mentioned that the ban did not violate Heller v. D.C. See the Washington Post's excellent study in Virginia. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/guns/

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[Samuel Joyce]

Likely not. Even if my parents were like Robert, I'd assume that school or something else would have shown me the necessity of holding a respect for human rights. I mean, I may have been a freedom-hating bastard like Robert during my adolescence, but I'd eventually come to sense, be it by accidentally clicking the button for Current (my current (hah, unintentional pun) favourite TV channel) instead of whatever I'd been watching (likely Faux), or getting misdirected to the Obama rally for change instead of the Perry or whoever rally for more foreign wars, or getting a job where I have to work with normal people and realise that change is needed in this country, or something that'd knock me into the land of sense.

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