bad dream

[Maththew Wallace]

hi group, i once had a dream that i murdered my aunt and the law was about to catch me. when i woke i was very happy because it was only a dream and i was not in trouble. i wish that i would wake now and find that being 75 with urinary/prostate trouble and the h was just a bad dream. maybe like leland says--
i am the creator and it really is a dream and i can wake up and start over and correct some of the stupid mistakes that i made. well, we all can.
matt

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

That's what my teacher told me too. He told me that all there was was
energy, and that it was a facet of our configuration that brought about the
world that we all know, that we are the ones creating the world we see--and
as we know there are people who don't have the power to spin our world. We
call them either mad or retarded. The energy is there for all . . . who have
the power, the personal power, to assemble the world.

Dutty

[John Leland]

I've learned some neat things through the process of dissolving my severe, life long depression (it's now gone). Primarily, that identification with the body and the mind is the cause of suffering. The trick is to give up that identification. Because reality, which is beyond the mind, cannot be described (to the mind reality is a frightening, dark void) a good practice is to simply deny reality to the body and the mind. Let come what comes and let go what goes in life, without attachment. Become the observer, dispassionately watching the movie of life, and continuously denying reality to any of it, including the body and mind. You cannot deny the reality of your on-going presence (which preceded and will survive the body), but you can deny reality to the temporary illusions that float by endlessly. Let them come and go. Remind yourself always that you are not the body nor the mind. It works for me.

 

A saint was nearing death, and was moaning and groaning with pain. When his concerned disciples inquired about his condition, he said, "There is pain, but there is no suffering."

 

John Leland

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From: "duttyb...@gmail.com" <duttyb...@gmail.com>
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 9:30:21 PM
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2183] bad dream

[collette star]

When I was in my early twenties I remember thinking that I felt like an observer in life and didn't really seem to be as part of it as others.  I never got angry or frustrated, I just sortof floated along.  I had friends, was contented and enjoyed my life (from seventeen upwards then!),  but wasn't really in there and did feel I was missing something... that life didn't seem real!  I think that I started to feel part of life in my early thirties and found it at first fantastic!! It was wonderful to feel the passion of life and the emotional rollercoaster, to actually get angry about things was wonderful!! 
 
However, now that I have tasted these emotions and got caught up in life, I think that being an observer was much healthier!  I am pleased that I have really felt life but I would like to go back to the calmness I had when I was younger, but yet still be connected rather than cut off, which perhaps I was.  So I think it is quite tricky to be just an observer, although I do agree with you John, but I think that it is positive to be fully engaged and awake too. Meditation is probably the answer with support from books, like-minded people and prayer.
 
A friend has just lent me the book by Thich Nhat Hanh called Answers from the Heart, which I would thoroughly recommend.  He is a Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk in his eighties, this particular book is 'practical responses to life's burning questions'.
 
Collette
 
 

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:58:00 -0800
From: lela...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2184] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[wilson strausser]

Hello Collette;
 
I can relate to your detachment from life early on.
I never felt like I belonged here. Even my own family treated me like an outsider. I soon wondered if I was adopted; but I have found sufficient recorded evidence to put that thought to rest.
I have come to believe we are all multiple spirit entities; the dominant one being who we believe we are.
When I look into the mirror I do not see who I believe I am. The mortal part of me doesn't seem to be part of the spirit part of me.
I was a loner in school. Even the school counselor kept his distance when my father suddenly died from a stroke. That event caused me to withdraw from society even more.
I was never convinced I was above average intelligence until I took several tests on my own revealing an IQ in the middle 140's.
When i announced to my classmates I was not going to college they reacted in unbelief andI couldn't understand why. Apparently they thought I was smarter than I did.
The main reason I opted for the USAF is my poor memory. No matter what a person's IQ; without a half-decent memory no amount of studying will work.
For whatever reason I have been held back in life. Every time I have tried to fit into an elevated life position things went wrong; and yet; I have done well enough to be retired early with few financial concerns.
Certainly there is evidence along the way that I have been protected from major pitfalls in life (that many fatally succumb to) by spiritual presence.
 
So what am I trying to say?
 
People like you and me may not be entirely human! This may very well be why we have trouble understanding our position in society.
 
I remember sitting in the upper portion of the one-acre lot where I am told I was raised from a baby. I may have been very young or I may have been a young teenager. That part is unclear and sometimes I think it was just a dream; but I can't be sure. I didn't know where I was at first; in total darkness; so dark I couldn't see my hand in front of my face; which then scared the hell out of me and I began to panic; and as soon as that emotion took hold the darkness began to be replaced with light; gradually; and I looked up to see an unbelievably large metal ball with pyramid-like spikes all over the surface; slowly ascending directly above me!
 
My thought to this day is that my alien family dropped me off on earth to perform a task for my race of aliens!
 
When the spiked-ball spaceship rose to treeline clearance it slowly began to rotate in the northerly direction and move that way. I watched it as it sailed over Neversink mountain six miles away and at that point a fear welled up inside me that they left me forever; and at the same time thought for sure the ship would crash just over the mountain; but the crash never came!
 
Was this reality or a dream? I still cannot determine which. I do know there are websites which have accounts related by others very similar to mine.
 
There are rumors of alien experiments with human DNA.
Are some of us alien-human cross-breeds? If so I would like to meet those who are responsible for my high IQ with poor memory! It is a cruel joke!
 
Wilson
 
 

 

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From: colle...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2185] bad dream
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:14:44 +0000

[wilson strausser]

I once tortured an ant on a picnic table and it couldn't move but was thrashing it's antennae around like crazy; and in a few minutes time thousands of ants emerged from all four pavilions in the immediate area where people were having a picnic ahd scared us all so bad we all left the picnic grounds in a hurry!
I kept my mouth shut that it was my action of ant torture that caused the colonies to erupt aggressively! I never tortured an ant again!
I know ants have nothing to do with aunts unless they end up in the pants! lol
 
Just thought I would share that.    Wilson

 

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:58:00 -0800
From: lela...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2184] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[John Leland]

Collette,

 

Thanks for your comments. I want to respond, but my schedule is jammed today. Important stuff, in my view, and I will send my thoughts at the first opportunity.

 

John Leland

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From: collette star <colle...@hotmail.com>
To: hernia support group <hernia...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 11:14:44 PM

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2185] bad dream

[Sai Kumar]

Hi,

 

It is after a long gap,  I want to share my experiences/confusions. A year and half ago, when lifted a 50 poung cat litter bag for my pet I had experienced a sudden jolt in my right testicle. I did not pay much attention and continued with my gym and weight lifting. Due to continued pain and unfortable situation, I consulted with my doctor who identified it as hernia and recomended surgery. The surgeon said h is on both the sides, need to operate one at a time, and I was fully prepared for surgery. But due to a change in my work schedule, i had to travel continuosly and did not get a chance to have that 'one week rest after surgery time'.

 

Now that I got time and decided to get it past, consulted another expert surgeon(who has more than 20 years of experinece into this). Surprisingly, this surgeon goes " i don't see any bulge and there is nothing to operate!". He thinks it could be a muscle strained due to weights lifted.

 

Now, I am very confused. I don't know what to do? I have all the same symtoms of a hernia, 2 physicians and one surgeon diagnosed it as h, but one (expert) surgeon says there is no h. CT scan did not find any h either. This is a great news for me. I should celebrate it actually. But, literally confused.

 

Good points: Can do all the things normally

Negative: Can not lift weights over 10 pounds, no gym, no jogging etc. Always feeling of something in the right groins and above.

 

This is a great group and I want to know if anyone has similar experiences. Thanks in advance.

 

Sai Kumar

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Hi Sai,

 

I've heard of a strain . . . right in the groin. Check out youtube for lower ab exercises and/or groin exercises. I'm sure the Yoga vacuum would help, plus check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxNxLu7u1No for a groin strain exercise. And look for other videos too. Google groin strain too. Good luck!

 

dutty

[collette star]

Hi Wilson,
 
I have attributed my detachment from life early on to psychological factors rather than alien involvement.  I was taken away from who I thought were my parents, but who were my grandparents, when I was about 5, and given back to my young mother, who I thought was my sister, and her new young husband.  I was brought up with them until I was seventeen.  The separation from my grandparents was handled very badly, also my mother did not have the same bond with me as she did with her other children and my stepfather turned out to be very aggressive and frightening. Due to this I have had quite a lot of emotional pain in my life and my detachment helped me to cope. 
 
I was not told about my past which led to lots of pain and searching.  Finding out has been a huge relief, although still very sad. Your experiences of early life sound very painful too.  It sounds like you are still searching to make sense of your past, the way you were treated and why you felt the way you did.  From earlier posts it is clear that having faith is very important to you.  Spirituality has really helped me too and still does, but so did psychotherapy.  Theres not always answers but it can help you heal and work through past pain.  
Psychotherapy to me feels a bit like climbing a ladder, you can take a pause at each step if you have to, but once you have made that step you never go back and life is a little bit clearer, there is a little more light where real happiness and joy can seep through! 
 
On the alien subject, I do definitely believe there is life on other plants and very probably that aliens watch earth but further than that I find it a little bit too scary to think about.... although it would be nice if there were kind and peaceful aliens bringing peace and healing to our planet and the people on it!
 
Collette  
 

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From: will...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2186] bad dream
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:00:38 -0500

[collette star]

Hi John,
 
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
 
Collette
 

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:07:49 -0800
From: lela...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2188] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[John Leland]

Dear Collette,

I don’t want to stray too far from the topic of hernia healing, but it seems to me that how we relate to our hernias or other conditions depends on how we relate to, and understand, ourselves. So I’ll go ahead on this track.

First, I want to say that I am not promoting any particular belief system, and that I am not an advocate of blind belief or adherence to dogma. But I will say that a sort of blind belief in one’s intuition and inner guide is essential for finding truths that can be confirmed by direct experience. I’ll include a brief autobiographical note at the end of this message that explains why I encourage people to never give up in their search for peace and true happiness.

You wrote: “So I think it is quite tricky to be just an observer, although I do agree with you John, but I think that it is positive to be fully engaged and awake too. Meditation is probably the answer with support from books, like-minded people and prayer.”

These words suggest a choice: between observing or engaging, and other words you wrote express the sense of alienation or connectedness that result from these choices. The critical question is: Who is making the choice and what accounts for the results?

As long as one is identified with the body/mind, it feels as though the person is making the choices, which subjects the person to reactions to the choices. What I’ve come to realize is that the sense of presence that we all experience throughout our lives is what’s real, while what we experience is not real. It is our presence that lends a sense of reality to experience. The troubles start as soon as we identify with experiences and see ourselves as bodies moving through an outer world separate from ourselves instead of being a single point of awareness witnessing the constant coming and going of events in consciousness.

Shifting one’s sense of identity from the person to the witness does not result in indifference or disengagement. On the contrary, it results in freedom from self concern, intense, causeless joy, genuine compassion and spontaneous acts of charity.

Yes, you are right. Meditation, keeping company with like-minded people and constantly, earnestly investigating yourself are the keys for shattering wrong thoughts and wrong identifications. Reading Thich Nhat Hanh is of tremendous value!

_____________________________________________________________________________________

The Power of Depression:

Thirteen years ago (at age 56) I experienced a severe collapse into suicidal depression, was incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital for a month and was given a variety of antidepressants—for the first time in my life (I had suffered from depression in my youth and throughout my life, and had managed it in adulthood through psychotherapy). The medications didn’t help: In fact, they produced gross physical and psychological side effects.

When I was released from the hospital I felt the need to evaluate what I had been told about depression and the drug treatments I had been subjected to, so I tried to find a physician who could deliver a precise diagnosis and prescribe a course of treatment tailored specifically for me, with the kind of certainty that would match the authoritative claim that my condition was a chemical imbalance in the brain (most likely hereditary, I was told) and that I would probably need to be on antidepressants the rest of my life. It didn’t take long to discover that there is no such physician.

Left to my own resources, I reasoned and intuited that my problem was not a chemical imbalance but a problem of consciousness. It didn’t seem rational to assume that a mere chemical imbalance could drive a person into a state of incomprehensible demoralization in which death seems the only way out. I decided to dispose of the medications and conduct an experiment. At that point I had given up on the idea that suicide was a solution and decided to investigate my depression and its causes—with the willingness to die from depression, if that were to be the natural outcome.

Like a research scientist, I began observing my life closely: studying my thoughts, moods and reactions; correlating situations and my reactions and “going into” the terrible, dark despair that would awaken me in the early morning hours. After several months of this work (during which I dragged myself out of bed and forced myself through daily routines), I awoke early one morning into a particularly dark space. It felt as though I was at the bottom of a deep well. In my mind’s eye I could see the opening of the well as a tiny circle of light far above me, and I felt utter hopelessness.

In that moment, I surrendered. I mentally addressed my invisible oppressor: “I don’t know who you are or what you are or what you want, but I give up.” In less than the blink of an eye my despair turned into bliss. The incomprehensible demoralization of depression turned into its incomprehensible opposite—absolute certainty that nothing could ever harm me. It was like being instantaneously transported from total engrossment in an intense horror picture on a movie screen to the unmoving, unmodulated, silent and serene center of the bulb in the projector.

That state remained with me for a couple of days, during which I was totally free from anxiety and concern. I went about my business in a state of clarity and openness. My responses to situations were totally spontaneous and precise. Thrilled though I was about the experience, I didn’t expect it to happen again—I figured it was some sort of fluke. But it did happen again several more times, and has reoccurred over the years when I have surrendered to intense fear.

I mentioned these experiences to a friend, who referred me to Eckhart Tolle’s book The Power of Now; she wanted me to know that Tolle had gone through a similar experience. I read Tolle’s book and others, and relied heavily (and still do) on the brilliant insights of the late author Alice Miller. My depression has been completely dissolved, and I now enjoy the marvelous sense of peace that comes with escaping from the tyranny of the mind. It was very satisfying to recently discover Irving Kirsch’s book The Emperor’s New Drugs, because his research validates the results of my own experiment: There is no proof that depression is a chemical problem and that antidepressants produce a beneficial chemical effect (benefits, when they occur, seem to be caused by the placebo effect—by the power of the mind).

 

Collette, I included this piece of personal history to encourage others to trust themselves and to resist whatever doesn’t feel true (if it doesn’t feel true, it isn’t). Specifically about depression, I can say that it saved my life because it drove me to find who I really am (you could say that my depression served an important purpose). I’ve recently been contemplating the paradox of nearly being killed by what ultimately brought me freedom, and want to explore that.

Thanks for your post!

John Leland

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From: collette star <colle...@hotmail.com>
To: hernia support group <hernia...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 11:14:44 PM
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2185] bad dream

[wilson strausser]

Hello again, Collette;
 
I expect truth be known we are all hybrids of both human and alien DNA. There are historical indications showing sudden bursts of human creativity that point in the direction of higher intelligent influence from out side sources such as pyramid construction and other wonders of the old world we can't figure out how to do even with modern technology.
You are correct about my spiritual alignment. My happiness peaks when I do good for others. Following scriptural guidelines never leads me astray.

 
Wilson
 

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From: colle...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2191] bad dream
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:32:20 +0000

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Hi Wilson, Collette, John,

 

My teacher was a seer. He said that what he saw at the crown of the head was obscene and that it had been put there. I know that there are aliens here, but they are not from another planet. They are from another dimension, another channel if you will. Apparently they feed off of our energy, like fear. I have never seen them, but when I determined not to have anything to do with them (since I was warned away from them) I had a thought that was not mine. The thought was: Don't you think you ought to see what they have to offer before you dismiss them? Believe me, that's not my thought.

So when you do certain exercises, I guess they become conscious of

of you.

[wilson strausser]

Dutty; Concerning aliens in different dimension; I have read a few websites who claim if we experience certain feelings of longing for distant star systems we ourselves are probably alien spirits brought to earth. I myself have had longings for the Pleiades system.
I expect we are human habitation for multiple spirit entities; some beneficial and some destructive.
Perhaps we of strong will can ward off the destructive entities.
Possibly disease and other destructive forces are manifested by such entities.
 
Wilson
 

 

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From: duttyb...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2195] bad dream
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:26:26 -0500

[Abe]

Hi Sai,

I’m glad you didn’t go straight for surgery which is common and educate yourself first!  That is a very interesting observation and I’m glad you are pointing it out regarding very different diagnoses from surgeons.  CT scan is an excellent way to determine – however there is still some debate on CT versus physical examinations.  One thing, however I want everyone to know about CT.  A single abdominal CT scan (which is what you would need for hernia imaging) is about 3.3 years of background radiation all at once!  Compare that to a chest xray which is about 2.4 days.  Hence, doing the math:

 

ONE (abdominal) CT SCAN = over 500 chest x-rays scans all at once !!!

 

I still think CT is the best imaging method for hernia – but it is not advisable to do a CT more than once every 5 years or so….

 

If you are still unsure, Sai, – I would suggest MRI – which magnetic, not ionizing radiation.  Perhaps you might want to talk to a radiologist next. 

 

abe

 

 

 

 

 

From: hernia...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hernia...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sai Kumar
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:14 PM
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Cc: John Leland
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2189] bad dream

 

Hi,

[collette star]

Hi Wilson,
 
Somebody I once knew used to be in the airforce and said that his plane was in close contact with a ufo.  The ufo was huge, it just watched them for a little while and then flew off at a strange angle at incredible speed.  He said that he felt a peaceful presence from the craft, his own plane was carrying warheads and although the alien craft was able to detect this, they just watched for a little while and left. 
 
There is something in Steiner education that acknowledges that some children are from another planet but tells teachers not to alarm the childrens parents with this knowledge......
 
Best regards

Collette
 

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From: will...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2194] bad dream
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:24:45 -0500

[collette star]

Dear John,

Thank you for your letter.  I really appreciate you taking the time to explain your earlier post in such detail and I am sorry that I misunderstood you.  I do now realise the difference between the two states, and can see where I was when I was younger and where I am trying to go now, and that its completely different. Thank you for helping me with this and for the books that you talked about which I am looking forward to reading.  
 
I think that you are incredibly brave to have faced your depression as you did.  I can't write anymore at the moment, but will as soon as I can.
 
Thank you again.
Collette
 
 

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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:05:57 -0800
From: lela...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2193] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Thanks, Abe!

[John Leland]

Dear Collette,

 

There was no misunderstanding, in my view. I wasn't trying to "correct" you, but felt it important to clarify my earlier statements. For me the goal is understanding, not imposing a particular interpretation of the incredible array of events we experience. The sharing in this group is incredible!

 

And, after I sent my message I saw your post that gives more details about your life, which makes it clear why you felt as you did during the age periods you wrote about earlier. What a story! If you are interested, please send me an email at lela...@sbcglobal.net so I can communicate more on the subject of pschotherapy (I love your metaphor of the ladder -- that really nails the process).

 

John Leland

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From: collette star <colle...@hotmail.com>
To: hernia support group <hernia...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 12:50:03 AM
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2199] bad dream

[Maththew Wallace]

collett, what is "steiner education".

[John Leland]

Hello Sai,

 

Doesn't sound like a hernia to me, unless it's a less common type. I would ask the "experts" who say it's a hernia for more information. What kind? How does this kind of hernia get produced? What is the recommended "fix" (not just surgery, but what would be done in surgery).

 

John Leland

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From: Sai Kumar <adr...@gmail.com>
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Cc: John Leland <lela...@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 12:14:05 PM

Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2189] bad dream

[collette star]

Hi Matt,
 
Steiner education are schools that have been developed from the ideas of a man called Dr Rudolf Steiner, I have cut and pasted a bit about them from their website.
 
My experience of Steiner schools has just been the early years.   The classrooms are incredibly beautiful with natural colours and play equipment, no plastics or remote controlled toys anywhere!  There are lots of wild flowers and handmade toys.  Children start to read and write at the age of seven and until then they play, bake, garden, go for walks, sing songs, listen to beautiful stories and make artworks....... rather like what they get up to at home!
 
Collette

Rudolf Steiner & Steiner Schools

The first Steiner school opened in Stuttgart in 1919 for children of workers at the Waldorf-Astoria cigarette factory. The school's benefactor was managing director, Emil Molt, who asked Dr Rudolf Steiner to found and lead the school in its early stages.

This philosopher and scientist's insights inspired what has become a worldwide movement of schools that espouse and promote universal human values, educational pluralism and meaningful teaching and learning opportunities. This progressive, international schools movement is noted by educationalists, doctors, policy-makers and parents for the effective education that it offers children. The ideas and principles which inform the education provide a credible and thoughtful perspective to the debate on education and human development.

Steiner schools are always co-educational, fully comprehensive and take pupils from 3 to ideally eighteen. They welcome children of all abilities from all faiths and backgrounds.
The priority of the Steiner ethos is to provide an unhurried and creative learning environment where children can find the joy in learning and experience the richness of childhood rather than early specialisation or academic hot-housing. The curriculum itself is a flexible set of pedagogical guidelines, founded on Steiner's principles that take account of the whole child. It gives equal attention to the physical, emotional, intellectual, cultural and spiritual needs of each pupil and is designed to work in harmony with the different phases of the child's development. The core subjects of the curriculum are taught in thematic blocks and all lessons include a balance of artistic, practical and intellectual content. Whole class, mixed ability teaching is the norm.

 

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:36:44 -0800
From: mattw...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2202] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Maththew Wallace]

collette, what is "educational pluralism".

[wilson strausser]

Hello Collette;
 
Do you know how the teachers tell which children are from another planet?
 
Is this why my teachers and advisors spent minimal time with me? Now I am REALLY curious!

 
 
Wilson
 

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From: colle...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2198] bad dream
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:18:35 +0000

[collette star]

Hello Wilson,
 
My friend told me about this, her daughter is at a Steiner school, I will have a word with her and get back to you.

 
Collette
 

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From: will...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2206] bad dream
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:30:54 -0500

[wilson strausser]

Collette;
 
I must paint the current scenario I am experiencing for I feel it important for you to know how I recognize what is taking place within my spirit. I am given this recognition ability for reasons of preparedness to deal with future changes mankind must face and successfully adapt to. Many will lack the ability to adapt and probably go mad or commit suicide. This is why recognition is so important.
I am daily bombarded with numerical sequencing for the purpose of my constant attention to spiritual awareness. The powers that be apparently have chosen me for spiritual training in learning to be aware and obey the Creator's will.
There are human traits which people suffer from which cause them to stray from spiritual awareness. Mine are slowly diminishing; apparently that my concentration strengthen in spirtual areas.
I expect Steiner's philosophy is one I was meant to be aware of and you have been the vehicle to bring his thoughts to me.
John is absolutely correct when he says I question all the answers. Upon reading a brief Steiner biography online I contend he was of the same mindset; obviously. To me this means previous theories and explanations on how things manifest were flawed; probably by those same human aberrations which cloud truth to the point of guesswork on the part of those who tell us they have the answers.
Complete truth on any subject has always eluded the most conscientious student. No one ever gets it right.
This is why I remain open to new ideas while comparing them to the ideas I feel have enough merit to hold onto; acknowledging they must all at some point be replaced eventually with more complete ideas; closer to the absolute truth; which I also acknowledge will never be attainable. Still; I continue to strive;  holding down ego as much as I can. This I maintain; corrupts the thinking of those who are held in highest esteem by their peers; the very fact that they have that lofty position; always threatening to cloud their judgment and throw error into their thinking.
Analyzing my current truth conquest; I acknowledge Cayce's statement made in one of his sessions that everyone we meet has been known to us before we met them.
My truth quest was initiated by a Jewess Cherokee Shaman named Rain From The Stars by her full blood Cherokee mother. I held a brief close spiritual bond with her. Her uncle told her that my and her soul were created very close together. Isn't that amazing?
I have a sense of observing my home when I see The Pleiades star system in the night sky.
And; your last name Star. 
It is all a spiritual learning experience for me. My subconscious is gathering data to be used when the time to transform into another phase of existence comes to pass; not necessarily earthly death.
 
Peace; wilson

 

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From: colle...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2207] bad dream
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:54:30 +0000

[collette star]

Hi Matt,
 
I wasn't sure myself so looked it up and found this...............
 
"Pluralism recognises that children have different educational needs and that what suits one child may not suit another. 
 

Pluralism allows innovation to flourish and contributes to the raising of standards through a sharing of best practice and cross-fertilisation of ideas.

 

The Steiner Waldorf curriculum interweaves the artistic, practical, and the intellectual in a holistic way; it nurtures the creativity and flexibility required by the knowledge economy and aims to develop in all pupils a sense of self esteem, a respect for others and for the environment and the ability to use these skills to work positively in their community. 

 

The thesis of pluralism is truly summarized by an old Jewish folktale about a rabbi who is asked how one can know the moment of dawn. The rabbi says simply, "Dawn is the moment when there is enough light to see the face of another as that of a brother or sister." (Thomson, 1989). Dawn has not come to our world as yet, but when it does, pluralism will be the byword of all."

 

Collette

 

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:50:37 -0800
From: mattw...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2205] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[collette star]

Hello Wilson,
 
I have just had a text from my friend about the Alien/Steiner connection, she tells me that she found information about this online by following : Rudolf Steiner's talk to the Stuttgart school in the 1920s - she was actually looking at information that was anti Steiner when she came across it. 
 
I had a quick look but couldn't find it, hope you can.

 
Collette   
 

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From: will...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2206] bad dream
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:30:54 -0500

[Yakie]

Hey all,

I recently got rid of my depression. I found out my Wife is an alien
and got a divorce!! Have since moved to the coast and things are
getting better after a dark period, hopefully my hernia will to.In
fact, I am positive it will heal fully.

Regards,
Jake

On Mar 2, 9:13 pm, collette star <collette...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Wilson,
>
> I have just had a text from my friend about the Alien/Steiner connection, she tells me that she found information about this online by following : Rudolf Steiner's talk to the Stuttgart school in the 1920s - she was actually looking at information that was anti Steiner when she came across it.  
>
> I had a quick look but couldn't find it, hope you can.
>
> Collette  
>

> From: will-l...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2206] bad dream
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:30:54 -0500
>
> Hello Collette;
>
> Do you know how the teachers tell which children are from another planet?
>
> Is this why my teachers and advisors spent minimal time with me? Now I am REALLY curious!
>
> Wilson
>

> From: collette...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2198] bad dream
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:18:35 +0000
>
> Hi Wilson,
>
> Somebody I once knew used to be in the airforce and said that his plane was in close contact with a ufo.  The ufo was huge, it just watched them for a little while and then flew off at a strange angle at incredible speed.  He said that he felt a peaceful presence from the craft, his own plane was carrying warheads and although the alien craft was able to detect this, they just watched for a little while and left.  
>
> There is something in Steiner education that acknowledges that some children are from another planet but tells teachers not to alarm the childrens parents with this knowledge......
>
> Best regards
> Collette
>

> From: will-l...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2194] bad dream
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:24:45 -0500
>
> Hello again, Collette;
>
> I expect truth be known we are all hybrids of both human and alien DNA. There are historical indications showing sudden bursts of human creativity that point in the direction of higher intelligent influence from out side sources such as pyramid construction and other wonders of the old world we can't figure out how to do even with modern technology.
> You are correct about my spiritual alignment. My happiness peaks when I do good for others. Following scriptural guidelines never leads me astray.
>
> Wilson
>

> From: collette...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2191] bad dream
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:32:20 +0000
>
> Hi Wilson,
>
> I have attributed my detachment from life early on to psychological factors rather than alien involvement.  I was taken away from who I thought were my parents, but who were my grandparents, when I was about 5, and given back to my young mother, who I thought was my sister, and her new young husband.  I was brought up with them until I was seventeen.  The separation from my grandparents was handled very badly, also my mother did not have the same bond with me as she did with her other children and my stepfather turned out to be very aggressive and frightening. Due to this I have had quite a lot of emotional pain in my life and my detachment helped me to cope.  
>
> I was not told about my past which led to lots of pain and searching.  Finding out has been a huge relief, although still very sad. Your experiences of early life sound very painful too.  It sounds like you are still searching to make sense of your past, the way you were treated and why you felt the way you did.  From earlier posts it is clear that having faith is very important to you.  Spirituality has really helped me too and still does, but so did psychotherapy.  Theres not always answers but it can help you heal and work through past pain.  
> Psychotherapy to me feels a bit like climbing a ladder, you can take a pause at each step if you have to, but once you have made that step you never go back and life is a little bit clearer, there is a little more light where real happiness and joy can seep through!  
>
> On the alien subject, I do definitely believe there is life on other plants and very probably that aliens watch earth but further than that I find it a little bit too scary to think about.... although it would be nice if there were kind and peaceful aliens bringing peace and healing to our planet and the people on it!
>
> Collette  
>

> From: will-l...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2186] bad dream
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:00:38 -0500
>
> Hello Collette;
>
> I can relate to your detachment from life early on.
> I never felt like I belonged here. Even my own family treated me like an outsider. I soon wondered if I was adopted; but I have found sufficient recorded evidence to put that thought to rest.
> I have come to believe we are all multiple spirit entities; the dominant one being who we believe we are.
> When I look into the mirror I do not see who I believe I am. The mortal part of me doesn't seem to be part of the spirit part of me.
> I was a loner in school. Even the school counselor kept his distance when my father suddenly died from a stroke. That event caused me to withdraw from society even more.
> I was never convinced I was above average intelligence until I took several tests on my own revealing an IQ in the middle 140's.
> When i announced to my classmates I was not going to college they reacted in unbelief andI couldn't understand why. Apparently they thought I was smarter than I did.
> The main reason I opted for the USAF is my poor memory. No matter what a person's IQ; without a half-decent memory no amount of studying will work.
> For whatever reason I have been held back in life. Every time I have tried to fit into an elevated life position things went wrong; and yet; I have done well enough to be retired early with few financial concerns.
> Certainly there is evidence along the way that I have been protected from major pitfalls in life (that many fatally succumb to) by spiritual presence.
>
> So what am I trying to say?
>
> People like you and me may not be entirely human! This may very well be why we have trouble understanding our position in society.
>
> I remember sitting in the upper portion of the one-acre lot where I am told I was raised from a baby. I may have been very young or I may have been a young teenager. That part is unclear and sometimes I think it was just a dream; but I can't be sure. I didn't know where I was at first; in total darkness; so dark I couldn't see my hand in front of my face; which then scared the hell out of me and I began to panic; and as soon as that emotion took hold the darkness began to be replaced with light; gradually; and I looked up to see an unbelievably large metal ball with pyramid-like spikes all over the surface; slowly ascending directly above me!
>
> My thought to this day is that my alien family dropped me off on earth to perform a task for my race of aliens!
>
> When the spiked-ball spaceship rose to treeline clearance it slowly began to rotate in the northerly direction and move that way. I watched it as it sailed over Neversink mountain six miles away and at that point a fear welled up inside me that they left me forever; and at the same time thought for sure the ship would crash just over the mountain; but the crash never came!
>
> Was this reality or a dream? I still cannot determine which. I do know there are websites which have accounts related by others very similar to mine.
>
> There are rumors of alien experiments with human DNA.
> Are some of us alien-human cross-breeds? If so I would like to meet those who are responsible for my high IQ with poor memory! It is a cruel joke!
>
> Wilson
>

> From: collette...@hotmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2185] bad dream
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:14:44 +0000
>
> When I was in my early twenties I remember thinking that I felt like an observer in life and didn't really seem to be as part of it as others.  I never got angry or frustrated, I just sortof floated along.  I had friends, was contented and enjoyed my life (from seventeen upwards then!),  but wasn't really in there and did feel I was missing something... that life didn't seem real!  I think that I started to feel part of life in my early thirties and found it at first fantastic!! It was wonderful to feel the passion of life and the emotional rollercoaster, to actually get angry about things was wonderful!!
>
> However, now that I have tasted these emotions and got caught up in life, I think that being an observer was much healthier!  I am pleased that I have really felt life but I would like to go back to the calmness I had when I was younger, but yet still be connected rather than cut off, which perhaps I was.  So I think it is quite tricky to be just an observer, although I do agree with you John, but I think that it is positive to be fully engaged and awake too. Meditation is probably the answer with support from books, like-minded people and prayer.
>
> A friend has just lent me the book by Thich Nhat Hanh called Answers from the Heart, which I would thoroughly recommend.  He is a Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk in his eighties, this particular book is 'practical responses to life's burning questions'.
>
> Collette
>

> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:58:00 -0800

> From: lelan...@sbcglobal.net

> Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2184] bad dream
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
>

> I've learned some neat things through the process of dissolving my severe, life long depression (it's now gone). Primarily, that identification with the body and the mind is the cause of suffering. The trick is to give up that identification. Because reality, which is beyond the mind, cannot be described (to the mind reality is a frightening, dark void) a good practice is to simply deny reality to the body and the mind. Let come what comes and let go what goes in life, without attachment. Become the observer, dispassionately watching the movie of life, and continuously denying reality to any of it, including the body and mind. You cannot deny the reality of your on-going presence (which preceded and will survive the body), ...
>
> read more »

[wilson strausser]

Hello Collette;
 
I did find an anti-Steiner website with quotes that paint him pretty much a kooky racist.
 
Having said that; there are many like him through history who had some good ideas along with all the bad. I think results tell the tale.
 
I have found through experience the problem with racism is both sides accept the difference in skin color as a valid argument. That makes everyone of color look for special treatment. It is treated like a handicap with low income groups.
 
The way I see it everyone has gifts to use for the benefit of society. They must develope the gifts to take their rightful place in society. If special treatment allows placement without qualification that is wrong. Our government believes entitlement is connected to skin color.
 
Steiner; from what I have read; believed deeper pigmented skin meant poor learning ability. That borders on insanity from my perspective.

 
 
Wilson
 

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From: colle...@hotmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2211] bad dream
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:13:25 +0000

[wilson strausser]

Hey Jake; What did you discover that told you your wife was an alien?   Wilson
 
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 03:50:42 -0800
> Subject: [herniasupport:2212] Re: bad dream
> From: syste...@gmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Steiner; from what I have read; believed deeper pigmented skin meant poor learning ability. That borders on insanity from my perspective.
 

Yeah, Wilson, he's a racist.

 

dutty

----- Original Message -----

From: wilson strausser

To: john leland

[Yakie]

Wilson,

The list is too long mate. Lets just say that her behavior is quite
"out of this world" and She performs actions that are unexplainable in
regards to being married.

In the end, I was just kidding about her being an Alien, it was meant
in regards to all the alien talk recently on this thread. However, it
is true we recently have divorced and my energy levels have increased
significantly, which will lead to complete healing of my emotions and
physical self!

Cheers,
Jake

On Mar 3, 6:11 am, wilson strausser <will-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Jake; What did you discover that told you your wife was an alien?   Wilson
>
> > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 03:50:42 -0800
> > Subject: [herniasupport:2212] Re: bad dream

> > From: systemj...@gmail.com

> ...
>
> read more »

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Perhaps more like a vampire than an alien?

Wilson,

Cheers,
Jake

> read more �

[wilson strausser]

Thanks for the clarification, Jake! Anyway; who knows who is an alien or not? As I have stated before; I believe we are all multiple spirit entities and who knows where all the entities hail from? We may ALL be part alien in body or spirit; perhaps some of us aware of it to varying degrees; some totally unaware; and some operating with secret agenda bound and determined to control everyone they can; just like your ex! LOL
Wilson or whoever I am! 
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:53:10 -0800
> Subject: [herniasupport:2216] Re: bad dream
> From: syste...@gmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
>

[Maththew Wallace]

hi group, my h is usually egg-size and easy to push in and does not hurt.
however, there are times when it is golf ball size, but hard and hard to
push in (reduce). at such times i have the most trouble. pain and genaral
discomfort in the abdomin. oddly, when it is hard to get in, it will stay in. i mean even if i get up and walk without the truss.
does anyone have similar experience or have a theory about that.
matt

[Oded Blum]

OK here goes a try....

You have started the process of gaining control over your abdomen muscles. This is a very long journey (as all awareness journeys are nowadays) but you have begone it, which is very very good for you. The one big advantage for having hernia is the chance to gain control over abdomen muscles because you don't have a choice actually (of course having surgery is literally to through away this wonderful opportunity). 

My journey started by collecting experiences over the behaviors of the hernia : Time of day, temperature, food, mood,  truss pressure and more. I was not afraid to try things (sports, sex etc.) and I trusted  the pain my body transmitted when it is too much....

Then I started looking for what can be in my control. This comes naturally as I have a strong will to believe that I am in the process of healing (mother nature is there for us).

Now I come to the domain of the muscle control. As I try to explain this remember that what I experienced is so very personal to me, and so are the words I choose. Try to listen to the essence, feel the confidence I share with you about the future. The hernia will be fine.

First time I actually gained control over the upper muscles I immediately shared it with my wife so she could help me believe and convince my friends and family that I am not a freak. BTW it was right after reading allot from this group :-) so you can conclude that a right state of mind was in the mix. The upper abdomen muscles had gained total control over the groin hernia. It was gone for more then 20 minutes while taking a shower and getting ready for sleep. Can you imagine how good this night was for me ...?

I am 37, left groin hernia for ~8 month. Working on the computer. Using truss from time to time. Biking daily. Smoking 2-3 cigaretes a day (without filter). Medicating on canabis from time to time.

Oded   

[collette star]

Hi John,
 
Did you change your mind about having a discussion on psychotherpy?
 
Collette
 

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:40:10 -0800
From: lela...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2203] bad dream
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Maththew Wallace]

thanks oded, gave me plenty to think about. you said that you wear the truss some of the time. would i be right in saying that you sometimes go about with the bulge out. matt

[wilson strausser]

Very encouraging, Oded! Can you give any details on how you gained muscle control? I am interested in your answer as my incisional hernia healing appears now at a standstill while most of the swelling from fluid under the skin has dissipated; the hernia itself is still there. I have enough abdominal muscle control to pull the hernia in without the need to use my fingers.
Something else I have been wondering; is there anything I can rub on the hernia to toughen the area up like vinegar or something else? What about alum?
Another thought is whether anyone has tried injections into the hernia of anything.
 
Wilson 
 

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:13:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2220] hernia observations
From: blum...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[wilson strausser]

Sounds like you have some healing going on there, Matt! You must now be very careful that the hernia does not stay out as you will be flirting with strangulation.
That's the problem with hernias and the membrane that holds them in. If the hernia is outside the membrane at it closes through healing, surgery will most likely be needed to correct it.
If you can keep the hernia in by whatever means available you may be able to avoid surgery.
 
Wilson
 
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:35:10 -0800
> From: mattw...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [herniasupport:2219] hernia observations
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[John Leland]

No. I sent a long message Saturday evening and just logged back on and found that the message didn't go through ("undeliverable"). I can't imagine what's not working here.

 

John

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From: collette star <colle...@hotmail.com>
To: hernia support group <hernia...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 11:15:02 AM
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2221] bad dream

[Oded Blum]

Hi All

I have groin hernia and it's a fact. I am not going to have surgery and that is also a fact. My lifestyle has changed since I got it. So what ? I do things differently. So what ? No big deal guys, really. I tell the world about my hernia so they will know what it means to me. It is my fate and my destiny to live with it. And to fix it. 

As for you questions 'how I got control over my abdomen muscles' the only thing I remember before that incident is getting angry and disappointed  with god over the fact that I'll have to have a surgery. So it was really like a sign for me that I have the power. But not more than a sign. I still have along way to go before I gain full control. First I have to be able to revert the power at will. After that I need to make the power work constantly. 

Thanks

Oded

[abe]

Great post oded,
I agree completely.

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From: Oded Blum <blum...@gmail.com>

Sender: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:44:40 +0200

To: <hernia...@googlegroups.com>

ReplyTo: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2226] hernia observations

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Cool! Have you seen Bruce Kumar Frantzis' Cloud Hands and his Standing Dissolving Energy Blockages? And, of course, EFT, for the tapping on trigger points on the energy meridians?

 

imho you're headed in the right direction. It's only a matter of time when you'll allow your body to heal its hernia.

 

Good luck!

 

dutty

----- Original Message -----

From: Oded Blum

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:44 AM

Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2226] hernia observations

[John Leland]

Oded,

 

I love your attitude!! Most of us have been hypnotized into believing we have limited power, which is simply not true. It may take great effort to wake up from that hypnosis, so it's really neat having the support of people in this forum who are willing to challenge societal myths. I agree: So What? Making a big deal out of certain conditions makes it harder to wake up. Acceptance of what is is an important first step.

 

John Leland 

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From: Oded Blum <blum...@gmail.com>

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 11:44:40 PM

Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2226] hernia observations

[Maththew Wallace]

yes wilson! thanks for mentioning injection. i tried to bring that up a year ago. nobody payed attention. it is called "sclerosing" the hernia. it was commonplace years ago. a doc who runs a fasting place told me that his father had excellent results with it. but he says that they stopped doing it in the usa. now juba once showed us a place in china where they do "triple treatment". maybe that is a variation. it involves injection. now injection may not be 100% natural but it sure sounds better than cutting a whole big enough for the surgeon to get his hands in. "open surgery".  matt

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

What's he injecting Matt?

----- Original Message -----

From: Maththew Wallace

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Maththew Wallace]

i dont know dutty. but if you google "sclerosing the hernia" you will find plenty of stuff on the subject. i especially remember that one of the places in china that juba once gave us said that their "triple treatment" involved injections directly on the hernia site. matt

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Thanks, Matt!

----- Original Message -----

From: Maththew Wallace

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[wilson strausser]

You are quite welcome Matt!
This is all conjecture on my part.
I must then question if injection is used; what would be injected; just as Dutty asks. I would hope it would be something conducive to new tissue growth and not just something that would harden the area without encouraging the body to accelerate the natural healing process.
That does bring up an interesting theory, however.
During the Vietnam War I heard rumors of Super Glue being used by medics in the field to seal off schrapnel wounds which apparently worked quite well. This seems to indicate Super Glue is not toxic; so; could it be injected?
And what about growth hormone? Is there anything currently used by the medical community that speeds healing?
What about drugs which encourage new artery growth? Is there such a thing?
Thinking out loud to generate further thought and interaction between members on this site. I'm sure there are more ideas that have as yet to be shared!
 
Wilson
 

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From: duttyb...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2231] hernia observations
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:48:19 -0500

[Maththew Wallace]

wilson, it is supposed to induce the growth of scar tissue. that does not mean that what the chinese are injecting is the same thing. matt

[wilson strausser]

Hi again Matt;
 
I expect scar tissue is not desirable as it will diminish over time and the problem will again surface. There must be something that would induce muscle growth in order that the area would over time become stronger. Hmmmm.......which brings to mind the possibility of muscle repositioning within the abdomen. Has anyone pursued that method? Could small muscle strands be excised from another area of the abdomen and attached strategicly over the herniated area?
 
Wilson
 

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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 05:21:32 -0800
From: mattw...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2235] hernia observations
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[quiet spirit]

On Mar 8, 4:50 am, wilson strausser <will-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You are quite welcome Matt!
> This is all conjecture on my part.
> I must then question if injection is used; what would be injected; just as Dutty asks. I would hope it would be something conducive to new tissue growth and not just something that would harden the area without encouraging the body to accelerate the natural healing process.
> That does bring up an interesting theory, however.
> During the Vietnam War I heard rumors of Super Glue being used by medics in the field to seal off schrapnel wounds which apparently worked quite well. This seems to indicate Super Glue is not toxic; so; could it be injected?
> And what about growth hormone? Is there anything currently used by the medical community that speeds healing?
> What about drugs which encourage new artery growth? Is there such a thing?
> Thinking out loud to generate further thought and interaction between members on this site. I'm sure there are more ideas that have as yet to be shared!
>
> Wilson

>

Hi Wilson and group, I like these recent posts and I think its good
for us to continue thinking and trying out various methods for our
healing. I felt pretty encouraged by some of what Oded said as well.

[I also liked the answer you gave Matt, that he could be experiencing
healing. Maybe he should also check the situation which accompanies
the changing sizes of his H, etc, whether he was at peace, free from
stress, and body well nourished, or whatever]

Here is a thought that hit me yesterday which might only apply to my
situation. Its over 2 years now since my H started and I recall how it
all came about. I foolishly allowed myself to become very grieved and
stressed out by something and this caused me not to be able to sleep
well for a few weeks, which caused me to lose about 20 pounds of body
weight (I am small in size to begin with... normal weight used to be
160 and am now at 140).

And and after doing some googling re weight loss/hernia, I found out
that when one loses much body weight one also loses muscle mass as
well... and most likely, as I lost the muscle mass around my abdomen
(which was small to begin with), that is what brought about the H...
as the intestine was able to protrude through a weak spot.

Now the thought: Eat more foods, some type of "fattening foods" that
would put the weight back on my body, especially around the lower
abdomen area so that I would HAVE some flesh which through exercise I
can turn into the needed muscle to keep the H in!

Now this may be some kind of crazy idea, etc... people are
recommending fasting to help with the H, which seems very reasonable
as the less food and gas in the abdomen, the better and faster the H
will heal. So mine is a tough call, but somehow I believe that maybe I
should start using 3 or 4 SMALL, very nourishing meals almost every
day to achieve more weight and with the exercises, etc, thereby gain
the necessary muscle for healing. I'd like to know what the group
thinks of this!

For 2 years I have been eating only 2 meals a day and doing much
exercises, but somehow this does not seem to be helping too much!

Also, Wilson, in the case of your incisional H, have you ever checked
with a site called Cure Zone and also Hernia Bible to check for more
ideas to deal with that type of H?

RGDS, quiet spirit

> From: duttybouk...@gmail.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2231] hernia observations
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:48:19 -0500
>
> What's he injecting Matt?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maththew Wallace
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2230] hernia observations
>
> yes wilson! thanks for mentioning injection. i tried to bring that up a year ago. nobody payed attention. it is called "sclerosing" the hernia. it was commonplace years ago. a doc who runs a fasting place told me that his father had excellent results with it. but he says that they stopped doing it in the usa. now juba once showed us a place in china where they do "triple treatment". maybe that is a variation. it involves injection. now injection may not be 100% natural but it sure
> sounds better than cutting a whole big enough for the surgeon to get his hands in.

> "open surgery".  matt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[wilson strausser]

Thank you kindly QS for the CureZone and Hernia Bible suggestions for research! I will look them up!
You bring up an excellent point on losing muscle mass when that is exactly what is needed to heal the hernia! Muscle holds the soft tissue in place otherwise hernia occurs!
Come to think of it I was also in the process of losing weight when the hernia appeared!
So apparently we are our own worst enemies! I expect it is in ALL cases that we are directly responsible for having a hernia! LOL
Now having said that; I do not wish to put anyone on a guilt trip; after all; we are all here to learn; and if challenges are not placed before us; how will we gain knowledge? It is knowledge that brings us through success in all things.
 
Now; I have soneting else to share; an update on consumed beneficials....
I have been reading of the benefits of niacin (as nicotinic acid which is the ONLY form of beneficial niacin). Any slow release niacin is detrimental to our health. If you don't flush; it ain't the right stuff! Also; time-release niacin is dangerous for the liver! If you don't have a liver you won't BE a liver!
I did not realize taking 1000 mg of niacin every day is probably the best thing I have ever done for my circulatory system and my internal organs! Niacin  stimulates blood vessels to dialate; lowers blood pressure and cholesterol (better than statins).
I have been taking it for about two years now and my blood tests now are close to normal on all levels; with the exception of triglycerides in the mid 200's; but I expect that will also decrease to normal in a year or two given the other herbs I am taking; all designed to improve my normal body functions in recovery from 9 months of chemo four years ago. Research has also alerted me to the fact that sugar consumption is in direct proportion to triglyceride levels in the blood; so I have some work to do there!
At the time of chemo I was also on Lipitor which I have now been off about two years. I didn't realize and no one told me that both chemo and statins raise blood sugar!
So there I was under the care of one of the best oncologists in the area who knew full well my blood sugar of 200 was due to the drugs I was taking and never said a word. He KNEW if I put that together at that time I would have stopped the therapy!
Perhaps it was for the best I did not realize. The chemo was precautionary designed to keep cancer from returning; so let's say for now mission was accomplished; however; I spoke with an aquaintence about this who had the identical operation I had and he died two years ago from the return of cancer:after being cancer-free for twenty years; however; the consensus of medical opinion is if the cancer returns it will not return in the colon but in the liver; and with a vengence!
This is not something I dwell on but subconsciously I have been working on providing an improved intestinal environment for my self which I personally feel is the best way to keep the return of cancer at bay and the addition of other herbs are what my research has led me to:
Fish oil with Flaxseed and Borage: touted as a cure-all  by the manufacturer but I have noticed arthritic flare-ups in the form of joint stiffness if I forget to take them; although I have decreased my dosage to two capsules daily. I have noted the shelves are often bare when I go to buy these so I know many people are taking them!
Policosanol: A new addition to my regimen; supposed to reduce cholesterol (mine is currently 200) while lowering blood sugar.
Hawthorne : Supports heart health.
Turmeric: Anti everything that is bad! Goole it and see for yourself! lol
Fenugreek: Accelerates sugar metabolism
Ginger: Digestive aid
Bilberry w/Lutein: Eye health. It has removed the excessive floaters my right eye was experiencing.
Magnesium w/Zinc: increases metabolism
Cinnamon:Metabolim and circulatory health.
Acetyl L-Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid: Brain health and enzyme booster.
Two baby aspirin daily for blood thinning. This sure beats the heck out of rat poison! LOL
Senior vitamin. My current primary care physician claims older people don't absorb as younger ones do as the intestine is not as responsive to stimulus of various food elements and simply pass them along to be expelled. Senior vitamins are supposed to make up for that somewhat.
How do I know how much of anything to take? My doctor doesn't know either! The only method I can expect to be accurate is symptoms of deficiency. If I have none I got none! lol
Items of note in my breakfast diet now are frozen blueberries over oatmeal sprinkled with cinnamon (NO SUGAR!) three times per week. Other days I have eggs w/home fries and ketchup and hot chocolate. YUM!!!!! I need to have SOME happy food!!!!
A banana a day keeps the kidney stones away! Since starting the banana regimin I have had NO KIDNEY STONES! YAAAAAA!!!!!
Potassium is the key here and natural potassium beats the heck out of pill form! Natural is absorbed by the body much easier and effectively!
So in effect; I have become accustomed to analyzing everything I eat; and gradually replacing bad food with good. While I thought initially after my operations that I should get my weight down into the high 170's; I'm not totally convinced now that I should do that and recent comments on this forum suggests exactly that. I've been at 193 now for months and my near term goal has been high 180's;  but winter weather makes it impossible to lose weight; even though I have been shoveling and plowing lots of snow. The more I work the more I eat and I will not change that. I don't feel it is healthy to starve one'sself to lose weight. Exercise is the best way to lose weight but losing weight may not always be the answer. I feel healthy and stronger than I have in years at this weight; and I know with summer coming and daylight savings time starting next week I will be mobil more than sentient; so the weight issue will take care of itself.
As a reference; when I was 18 I ran track and cross-country at 140 lbs and 5'10" height. Four years later I finished my USAF tour at 146 lbs. Two years later I was 168 and never looked back from there weight-wise.
After heart bypass recovery in 2005 I was 178 losing close to twenty pounds in the hospital. They pumped me so full of drugs I don't remember much of that time. I still have the itemized billing for all the drugs....unbelievable I survived!
Just thought I'd update and review some issues here for the benefit of the forum as well as my own.
 
Peace; Wilson  
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:31:25 -0800
> Subject: [herniasupport:2237] Re: hernia observations
> From: de...@coralwave.com
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Wilson,

 

Alpha Lipoeic Acid with CoQ 10 boosts the effects of CoQ 10 20 times.

Salmon oil also thins the blood. I believe shark oil does too. Shark oil, like turmeric, also inhibits the growth of tumors.

There's 2 kinds of cinnamon, one true, the other false. The false one is the one they're using commercially, and it isn't very good for you. Check out Cinnamon at www.mountainroseherbs.com We get it from Madagascar for around 10 bucks a lb. There's true cinnamon from Sri Lanka for 21 bucks an lb. Or Google cinnamon and find out the difference between them.

 

Good post, Wilson!

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From: wilson strausser

To: john leland

[quiet spirit]

On Mar 8, 8:41 am, wilson strausser <will-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Wilson,I think its a great pity you had to undergo that chemo, I mean,
almost every day health sites like Natural News are finding new,
simple alternative remedies that can cure cancer and it will not
return unless one keeps treating his body badly with bad foods, etc.

(Raw garlic also thins the blood..)

Many years ago I used to listen to a nutritionist/herbalist named
Jesse Brancaleone. At that time he impressed me as being among the
best in the US. He was highly educated and did very much research. In
some instances he used to speak so badly about medical doctors in
general, that I was afraid for his life! Back then he had his own
health food store in Palm Beach.

Sometime last year I read where cancer can be healed with flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese and Natural News even gives the formula. Other
alternative cancer cures are the soursop fruit, Essiac Tea, just to
name a few.

I hope you keep up with those hebal and nutrition foods for a long
time to keep yourself cancer free. It is said that once you heal
cancer with chemo and radiation, it will most likely breakout in
another part of your body within 5 to 10 years and take you out!

I just hope and pray that doctors put a compkete stop to using that
chemo form of treatment... they are probably just greedy to make
money

RGDS,
quiet spirit

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[wilson strausser]

Thank you All for your responses and continued input!
I view the chemo I endured for nine months as a blessing even though one of the nurses one day said to me she wanted to be careful not to get any of those chemicals they were putting into my bloodstream on her because they cause cancer!
Maybe one day I can sue the doctor for introducing carcinogens in to my system and become rich!
Just kidding!
I understand the drugs are designed to prompt my immune system into constant defense mode; and I recognize my system did not keep cancer away before chemo; so I have embraced the idea. What choice do I have?
I continue to believe attitude has everything to do with healing; whether it be immunity to returning cancer or healing a hernia. Spiritual power is all around us if we embrace it, too.
I am convinced we are not alone in our quests for success. There are many entities available to help; warriors in the fight to succeed; all of whom are directed by the Will of the Creator who is in us all and is everywhere.
 
Peace; Wilson
 
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:38:04 -0800
> Subject: [herniasupport:2240] Re: hernia observations

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Yesm Wilson, I believe attitude is everything, but there is also Fate. What is Fate? Fate is what happens to you beyond your control. It was your Fate to be born male. It became your Fate to have cancer, but happens after that depends a lot on attitude which is dependent on knowledge. My teacher told me about a force in the universe called "intent." He said that we can to some extent control "intent." We start with a simple act which is repeated until we build up a sense of "unbending intent." By teacher had me paint paintings until I became quite proficient and built up that sense of "unbending intent." I felt that sense one day. I was under a pickup truck, and had taken apart a coupling with bearings--and dropped the whole cabodal of tiny rods in the sand. Normally I would have freaked out. Instead, I very calmly picked up the tiny rods out of the sand, cleaned them one by one, put new grease in the coupling, put it all back together and had it working without the slightest loss of energy due to wild emotional fluctuations. If you "intend" to heal, you will.

 

 

dutty

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From: wilson strausser

To: john leland

[John Leland]

Dutty,

 

Fabulous post! You had a great teacher. Your story about your reaction when you dropped the coupling parts is great! It demonstrates the discipline of simply accepting everything that happens, knowing, as you say, that things happen, essentially, "by themselves".

 

You are right: Attitude is key. Let come what comes, let go what goes, and don't get ruffled. Why react to the inevitable? Things happen for their own reasons or because of causes we don't understand.

 

I'm working on letting go of fears and desires and just letting fate play itself out. In other words, I am consciously trying to avoid creating more karma (which is the driver of fate) by accepting what happens and not feeding fear and desire. The "right" response to every situation is to give (or to do) only what is necessary. Your coupling story is a great example of that. Anger or frustration could well have led to lost parts and much lost time (bad "coupling karma"). I would say your response was perfect.

 

Thanks for your great contributions to this forum.

 

John Leland 

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To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:33:06 AM
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2242] Re: hernia observations

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Thanks, John!

[wilson strausser]

Intent appears to be magnified by awareness. A couple days ago I said my hernia healing appears to be at a standstill. Since I said that it has become a tiny bit smaller!
Can I also interject our collective subconsciousness working toward healing between us all which becomes stronger when we increase our awareness simply by thinking about healing each other?
This is of course a form of prayer; or can we say it is redefining our understanding of prayer?
 
What did Christ say when someone touched him; who was then healed instantly? He said he felt the energy flow out of him and that the person's faith healed them!
 
Let's think on it collectively! I submit here we don't need to physically touch each other but simply be aware each of us has a healing issue which needs to be addressed. This is positive attitude at it's best! It is my intent that everyone who joins us will be healed! No Doubting Thomases allowed!
 
Wilson 
 

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From: duttyb...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2244] Re: hernia observations
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:03:13 -0500

[Maththew Wallace]

hi wilson, about your thought about "muscle repositioning". maybe that is what desarda
does.   i had a consultation with a surgeon here in cr. he said that it is imposible to have
no mesh and also no tension. desarda disagrees. they say that you absolutely can have no mesh and no tension. matt 

[wilson strausser]

Hello again, Matt;
 
Yesterday I went searching for "true" cinnamon; but I forgot what I was looking for! Damn my short term memory! lol
Anyway; I decided I should be able to find it in a grocery store and pay a lot less than some of the online suppliers offer.
So I found Saigon Cinnamon and Ceylon Cinnamon on the same spice shelf at Giant for less than 5 bucks for 1.9 ounces (which I thought was a good price if it is the right stuff); and because I couldn't remember which kind was "the right stuff"; I bought the Saigon. Wrong stuff! I found that out when I came home and searched again for which is the "true" cinnamon....it's the Ceylon! Damn!
I had it in my hand and put it back! Damn! Damn!  lol
Having said that; I found a web site that claimed a control group taking Cassia Cinnamon (the wrong stuff) reduced their blood sugar significantly.
Most of supermarket cinnamon does not list which type cinnamon it is so I am assuming it is Cassia which appears to be the most common type. I believe I remember you telling me Cassia is dangerous. I did see it is a blood thinner and contains Couminin (rat poison).
Also; there is an 800 number on the Saigon that I bought which I called and they told me I had a type of cinnamon that starts with an "L" (can't remember the name of it. Big surpriuse, huh?)
This has me wondering if I will accomplish what I want regardless of the type of cinnamon!
Anybody got anything for short term memory enhancement? lol 
Reason I bring this up I am strong on Cinnamon for healing purposes as it is supposed to improve circulation which encourages faster healing. I have it several times a week on my oatmeal instead of sugar and in my apple cider which I drink daily for the malic acid.
 
Wilson
 
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:35:52 -0800
> From: mattw...@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2246] hernia observations
> To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Abe]

Hi matt,
Not sure about that claim below. The other thing to point out is that we
have been trained to assume tension on the suture line is bad - hence the
widespread use of mesh. But, I've never seen any statistics on this. It
reasonable to assume that without tension one can recover much faster and go
back to work with less chance of recurrence. But, it's my opinion that
there still can be good results if you take care of yourself and understand
and listen to your body... I don't have anything to back that up - just an
opinion.

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From: hernia...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hernia...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Maththew Wallace
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2246] hernia observations

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-cinnamon.html

 

http://www.homeremediesweb.com/cinnamon_health_benefits.php

----- Original Message -----

From: wilson strausser

To: john leland

[Maththew Wallace]

hi abe, i question whether it is even posible to get good info on surgery.
a doc who does A will never recomend B. a doc who does B will never rec
A. i wonder if there really is any institution or anything that is trying to find out for your benefit. i suspect that there is one exception.
if a big-shot from another country comes for surgery there might be special
interest that he come back with good results so that his pals are impressed
with usa docs. big-shots know big-shots. money hangs out with money.
i dont know. matt

[Abe]

good point!

he may or may not be a "bigshot" but Ralph Nader did shouldice.

abe

[Maththew Wallace]

by accident i found a book by andrew weil -- spontaneous healing. he said something that surprised me. he said that there are studies that have shown that prayer helps even if the beneficiary of the prayer does not know that he is being prayed for.  he also said that there is compelling evidence in favor of christian science. matt

[duttyb...@gmail.com]

Weil is a good boy. Very sharp!

----- Original Message -----

From: Maththew Wallace

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[wilson strausser]

There is an excellent point Matt; for those who do not believe there is a God; much less spiritual entities around us!
 
I want to thank you also for the cinnamon info which prodded me into a web search that landed me 20 ounces of Ceylon cinnamon with free shipping from NYC for 25 bucks! Great price! It arrived yesterday from a company called MySpiceSage. I had some on my breakfast oatmeal w/blueberries and it is much sweeter and finer than the store-bought cinnamon (cassia). Of course; taste is not the best reason to use Ceylon as you know; for the medicinal effect is most important.
Justr as a price comparison; the store-bought cassia runs about 4 bucks for 1.9 ounces locally. Thanks again!
 
Wilson
 

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:32:57 -0700
From: mattw...@yahoo.com

Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2252] Re:prayer

To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Oded Blum]

back

what is the story of this muscle, if i work on my muscle i then drink mass gain , if this muscle does not concentrate at will ?

will make it concentrate ? if you playe around with your hernia all the time it will. Also ware truss no excuses

in Hebrew BEKKA is popped from the egg

what someone tell us is hernia in his language ?

Oded

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[Oded Blum]

this muscle, or tishue, does not flex, so there are no excesize to wear it out till pain. that is what body builders do, they wear the muscle to very high pain, then later when they drink mass gain that pained muscles draws the attention of the free protains and the tissue builds fast.

so maybe the truss is the answer, or even a deep massage with a stick

adore this pain

just drink mass gain 

[wilson strausser]

Oded;
 
Thank you for this detailed info you have given; as  opposed to my incisional hernia which I can make disappear by pulling my stomach muscles in. Also; mine had been smaller and more protrusive up to this point but now is spread out over an area about the size of a baseball now but much flatter;as opposed to early on when it was the size of a golf ball; so it appears there is continued healing happening; flesh building under the skin; which may well be supportive tissue to hold the hernia back into the abdominal cavity; which at this point, being new tissue is not strong enough to do the job; but I expect with time will become strong enough.
 
Of course; i recognize my incisional hernia is certainly different from a hernia caused by excessive force causing catastrophic failure of the muscle system; while mine did not appear immediately after surgery but about a year and a half after the fact; and for no apparent reason since I do not recall any pain involved nor any incident which would have caused it to my knowledge.
 
Wishing much healing; Wilson
 

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:30:08 +0200
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2310] Re: hernia observations
From: blum...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

[Maththew Wallace]

hi group, i found a place (wakeupgethealthy.wordpress.com/alkali-food-vs-acid-food) that says that most fruit is acid forming. this contradicts what most other sources say. who is right.  matt

From: wilson strausser <will...@hotmail.com>
To: John Leland <hernia...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: [herniasupport:2311] Re: hernia observations

Oded;
 
Thank you for this detailed info you have given; as  opposed to my incisional hernia which I can make disappear by pulling my stomach muscles in. Also; mine had been smaller and more protrusive up to this point but now is spread out over an area about the size of a baseball now but much flatter;as opposed to early on when it was the size of a golf ball; so it appears there is continued healing happening; flesh building under the skin; which may well be supportive tissue to hold the hernia back into the abdominal cavity; which at this point, being new tissue is not strong enough to do the job; but I expect with time will become strong enough.
 
Of course; i recognize my incisional hernia is certainly different from a hernia caused by excessive force causing catastrophic failure of the muscle system; while mine did not appear immediately after surgery but about a year and a half after the fact; and for no apparent reason since I do not recall any pain involved nor any incident which would have caused it to my knowledge.
 
Wishing much healing; Wilson
 

[Dutty Boukman]

I think they're wrong.

[wilson strausser]

There are many types of acid. Must they all be bad?  Wilson
 

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From: duttyb...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2313] acid vs alkali
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:30:17 -0400

[Dutty Boukman]

Acid means inflammatory = pain  Vinegar is acidic, but it alkalizes the body.

[wilson strausser]

That looks like a good subject for discussion, Dutty. Your statement shows all acid is not bad. The chemical functions of the human body are too complex for anyone to fully understand including big pharma. This is why all drugs have bad side effects. Mankind is just not smart enough to make safe drugs. God does the best job with herbs and we need His direction to know how and when to use them.
 
Wilson
 

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From: duttyb...@gmail.com
To: hernia...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [herniasupport:2315] acid vs alkali
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 01:13:45 -0400

[Dutty Boukman]

Tomatoes are acidic too; cooked tomatoes, as tomato paste, lycopen, is very good for you too.