Updated OpenHPSDR Thetis (Beta5)

[scumballc...@gmail.com]

Hi Group,

Here is the 5th beta release of a version of Thetis which better supports the HL2:

https://github.com/mi0bot/OpenHPSDR-Thetis/releases/tag/v2.8.12-beta5
https://github.com/mi0bot/OpenHPSDR-Thetis/releases/download/v2.8.12-beta5/Thetis_2_8_12-beta5.zip

• Corrected problems with drive slider bar
• Added time-out for read thread to stop lock-ups when disconnecting for HL2
• Fixed missing tune signal in protocol when tuning
• Updated I2C control to better handle fault conditions
• Added control to allow 10 MHz reference input on CL1
• Added controls to allow CL2 to output a given frequency
• Updated calculations for power, PA current and signal strength to be more believable

To get the new signal strength scaling, you will need to do a database reset. There is an other option which involves removing several lines for the database file.

Stop Thetis and open the database file at "C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\OpenHPSDR\Thetis-HL2\database.xml"

AppData may be a hidden directory.

Search for lines

<State>
    <Key>rx_meter_cal_offset_by_radio</Key>
    <Value>0.9800|0.9800|-10.0|0.9800|0.9800|0.9800|0.9800|0.9800|0.9800|4.8416|4.8416|4.8416</Value>
  </State>
  <State>
    <Key>rx_display_cal_offset_by_radio</Key>
    <Value>-2.1000|-2.1000|-10.0|-2.1000|-2.1000|-2.1000|-2.1000|-2.1000|-2.1000|5.2590|5.2590|5.2590</Value>
  </State>

and remove all 8 lines.

Save file and restart Thetis

As always, no guarantees or warranties and remember that switching to an external 10 MHz will stop the receiver. There is no automatic sense to know that there is a external signal.

Reports and comments welcome.

Cheers

Reid

Gi8TME/Mi0BOT

[Mike Lewis]

Thanks for this update, especially the Clk config support!  Working great here on my 10Mhz ref.

 

 

Mike Lewis

K7MDL

CN88sf and EL87sm

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[Reid Campbell]

HI Mike,

Thanks for confirming that the 10MHz was working for you. I was only able to test it with another HL2.

Cheers

Reid

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[Sid Boyce]

Hi Steve,

We have had counterfeit parts from suppliers on AliExpress. Needed for
the Power_SWR meter project.

I wonder if Makerfabs would reveal their source of PE4259's.

73 ... Sid.

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[Steve Haynal]

Hi Sid,

Have you checked www.octopart.com or www.findchips.com?

On www.octopart.com for pe4259 I found:

https://www.win-source.net/hot-sales-and-eol-components-pe4259.html

Minimum order of 35 parts. This distributor has offices in and outside of China. On the link above, they even have a "Fake Threat in the Open Market" statistic of 63%. That is the first time I've seen anything like that.

73,

Steve

kf7o

[Sid Boyce]

Thanks Steve,
I registered and requested a few samples.
73 ... Sid.

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[cwbr]

Hi Reid,

On the updated power, PA current, and signal strength changes that you made, could it have also changed the way the TX power calibration table is done?  In Beta 4, I had the TX power indicated in Thetis closely matching that of my external power meter.  That calibration is no longer valid as Thetis indicates about 20 % higher output on all bands.  I've tried adjusting the configuration settings upwards and downwards, applying the changes, shutting down and then restarting Thetis, yet Thetis still indicates about 20 % high.  PA current needed for RF watts shown on the external meter is still as in Beta 4.

Thanks,

Karl - W5QJ

[Reid Campbell]

Hi Karl,

Thanks for bring this to my attention. I have had a look at the power calibration page, in setup, and it's not working. I know what the problem is and it will be fixed in the next release.

I adjusted the power sensitivity settings based on a sample of 3 HL2s but didn't check that the calibration settingsa was working. I would be interested in hearing about other people's experiences of the new settings.

Cheers

Reid

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[J P Watters]

Reid,

I am a MACOS user. I am running a 2.4ghz I9 with 64gb of memory with OSX Catalina and running Windows 10 in a Parallels VM of 8GB of memory. 

In windows 10 I am running the Beta5 Version of Thetis. It performs nicely, and in "Coherent" mode, Thetis appears to be another MACOS App, but windows is under hood hiding. 

Periodically if I am scrolling too fast or changing bands too quickly, The waveform and waterfall will freeze. Using the software button to power off/ disconnect the Hermes2 lite does not unfreeze the waveform/waterfall graphics. Closing Thetis and restarting it fixes the crash. 

I have been using a USB VFO knob created from a USB VOLUME CONTROL with Thetis/LINHPSDR.

 ie https://tysonpower.de/blog/reprogramming-a-audio-knob-to-build-a-sdr-vfo-knob

Are there logs to enable or turn on to view such that I could look for the incompatibility? Otherwise it just runs really cool. 

Is there a morse code decoder ticker style display? Or do I have to connect a software decoder and TEE it somewhere to get the digitized audio or I/Q stream.

Or maybe I should build a hardware morse decoder and connect it somehow to the audio stream.

Adding other bands to the button layout, making VAC1 active by default are things I would like to figure out, but those are trifles in comparison to your awesome app.

Again, thanks for the app.

..jpw J P Watters

KC9KKO

Morris, IL USA

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[Reid Campbell]

Hi JP,

On 19/08/2021 09:26, J P Watters wrote:

Reid,

I am a MACOS user.

There's your problem straight off..... :-)

I am running a 2.4ghz I9 with 64gb of memory with OSX Catalina and running Windows 10 in a Parallels VM of 8GB of memory. 

In windows 10 I am running the Beta5 Version of Thetis. It performs nicely, and in "Coherent" mode, Thetis appears to be another MACOS App, but windows is under hood hiding. 

Periodically if I am scrolling too fast or changing bands too quickly, The waveform and waterfall will freeze. Using the software button to power off/ disconnect the Hermes2 lite does not unfreeze the waveform/waterfall graphics. Closing Thetis and restarting it fixes the crash.

I have not heard of anybody else mention this issue, so I suspect it's a Parallels issue?

I have been using a USB VFO knob created from a USB VOLUME CONTROL with Thetis/LINHPSDR.

 ie https://tysonpower.de/blog/reprogramming-a-audio-knob-to-build-a-sdr-vfo-knob

Are there logs to enable or turn on to view such that I could look for the incompatibility? Otherwise it just runs really cool.

I'm not aware of any logs, you have to turn debug on at compile time.

Is there a morse code decoder ticker style display? Or do I have to connect a software decoder and TEE it somewhere to get the digitized audio or I/Q stream.

Or maybe I should build a hardware morse decoder and connect it somehow to the audio stream.

Have a look at CW Skimmer. It gets good reviews but you have to pay for it.

Adding other bands to the button layout, making VAC1 active by default are things I would like to figure out, but those are trifles in comparison to your awesome app.

I can help you with the VAC1 active by default:

Make sure VAC1 has been selected
Go to menu Setup|Transmit|Profiles
Press the Save button
Press OK to save the default profile

Cheers

Reid
Gi8TME/Mi0BOT  

[Anthony N1IG]

JP,

I also use a Mac, but instead of Parallels I dual-boot into a separate W10 OS.  It just seems to work better with less hiccups.  Thetis works in it without any of the problems you mentioned.

If I want to use Thetis in Mac, I use piHPSDR in MacPorts, following these install directions:  

https://techindyeah.org/port/pihpsdr/

not exactly the same, but it's close enough for what I do.

I use the same USB knob, but found out that you don't have to do the pic reprogramming or any soldering to get it to work.  The knob has a built in menu system, and the functions can be changed using these same instructions:

https://www.remotetx.net/usb-vfo-knob-setup/

Works well, and saves having to open up the knob.

One thing I have noticed is that the knob creates a lot of spurs about every 1k on the spectrum scope.   Not very large, but enough to see and it goes away the second the knob is unplugged from the USB port.

YMMV

Anthony - N1IG

[Anthony N1IG]

one other thing I've noticed about the USB knob for tuning the VFO.   It only works if the mouse pointer is in the spectrum window, or on the frequency window.   it won't work (for me) if the mouse pointer is anywhere else on the screen.

Anthony - N1IG

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:27:03 AM UTC-4 jpwa...@gmail.com wrote:

[Daniel Goller]

Finally got my HL2 today.

SDRConsole, connects.

SparkSDR, connects.

What docs do I need to read to get Thetis beta to connect to the same IP that works for the other two apps?

Or the "never ran Thetis before, read all of this"-docs, I do take abbreviated, most important points versions of long documents too.

Picking Hermes Lite from drop down and setting the IP manually I get nothing in the IP/Mac address and version field below the IPs.

I have fully turned off firewall to see if it's meddling, no change.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Daniel

K5DRG 

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[Reid Campbell]

Hi Daniel,

The following link should give you all the details to get started:

https://github.com/softerhardware/Hermes-Lite2/wiki/Thetis-Setup

Sorry to state the obvious, but did you did power up Thetis using the Power button on the console? You mentioned getting nothing in the version field and that will only be populated after power up of Thetis.

Cheers

Reid
Gi8TME/Mi0BOT  

[Daniel Goller]

I found that link since the initial question.

And followed it all.

When powering up the console, the waterfall fills with a section that's black and then a pop up about no device found and if the hardware is powered up comes up.

It's not finding the HL2 at the same IP that works for SDR Console and SparkSDR.

Daniel

[Daniel Goller]

When i power on the console i get this:

So yeah if the IP and MAC only get populated after this succeeds, then that's why mine is empty, it's not connecting, one less to worry about.

I disabled windows firewall again as 2 apps connecting and only one not i would have hoped being windows getting in the way, but still, the above error remains

Dumb question, is there any way Thetis is expecting something to be a certain way and the latest build with substituted parts and new gateware does not act as the software expects it?

With SDR Console and SparkSDR not looking for the same, just happily gloss over it and connect?

Also, should i have made this it's own thread instead of replying to the beta5 one (it's been ages since i did anything on mailing lists)

Best regards,

Daniel

K5DRG

[Reid Campbell]

Hi Daniel,

How are you connecting to the HL2? Is it via a router, switch or direct connection. There have been problems in the past with direct connections and the PC having several network interfaces.

Can you also report what the leds on the front of the HL2 are doing.

Cheers

Reid
Gi8TME/Mi0BOT  

[Daniel Goller]

Connected through a switch.

I see Mike implying Thetis can discover HL2 just like the other apps do?

The HL2 pulled the IP via dhcp, I'm merely specifying the IP it was assigned as witnessed in the other apps as the IP part of dialog is so prominent in Thetis and I did not see a provision for simple network discovery.

Did I overlook something and make it complicated by specifying the IP I know the HL2 is using?

I need to observe the LEDs when I get home as I only know I have 3 lit LEDs + left most (fourth) blinking as seems normal when no software is connected. I do not know if there is a change as the console tries to connect and will observe this after work.

Best regards,

Daniel

K5DRG 

[Daniel Goller]

*SIGH*

While i don't know why Thetis can't discover the HL2.

I can tell you that you can't expect it to use the static IP if you do not choose "Enable Static IP Address"

I tried to avoid choosing static initially since the IP is assigned via dhcp by the router, so i would have preferred not to pick it and then ended up not looking at that again while it wasn't connecting.

After Quisk also discovered the HL2 on 192.168.4.122 i went back to Thetis and the ugly truth stared in my face.

Sorry about that and thanks for the help.

The high cpu usage on the AMD A12 cpu mini PC may make me spend more money if the hunting of the RFI from the main desktop turns out to be the power supply, currently my solution was this RF quiet mini PC, with ~60% cpu usage at a 1200x600 window size i can't really afford to switch to other apps without the pegged cpu disrupting the reception, so wanting back on main desktop rates highest of goals to achieve.

This is so far the best sounding and best looking software for the HL2, so if i can't reign in cpu usage, it'll be worth it reviving the main pc for radio usage.

Thanks again.

Best regards,

Daniel

K5DRG

[Richard Collins]

Reid,

I've been using your OpernHPSDR mRX 3.5.0 on cw, keying a COM1 port with an external keyer with its own sidetone. Perfect.

Just installed  Thetis-HL v2.8.12 Beta 5 and irritatingly, the sidetone can't be controlled/removed by  the check box.tick.

Any chance this is fixed? Or am I missing an option.

Rich

G4PCE

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[Reid Campbell]

Hi Rich,

Try unticking Setup|General|Options|Option-1|Options|Disable PTT

Cheers

Reid
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[David Porter]

I've got the HL2 running on Quisk, SDR console, and SDR Sharp.  All
seems to work fine in these.  I installed Thetis and, using Hermes as
the radio model, I can control the HL2, but get no audio.  I have
unzipped the beta 5 and setup with Hermes Lite, but still no audio. In
the Windows volume mixer, I see entries for speakers, system sounds, i
cloud photos, and Mozilla Thunderbird.  Nothing else.

Has anyone else gotten through this?

Dave AA3UR

[David Porter]

I guess posting to this list is magic.  For no other identifiable reason, after posting, pressing VAC1, I was rewarded with sound.  I had done this multiple times before, but now it works.  When VAC1 is enabled, Thetis does show up in the Windows Volume Mixer.  I don't understand what I did differently, but just like QRP working, I'll accept it.

Sorry for the waste of space.
Dave, AA3UR

[John Williams]

Reid,

I have had 3 separate Win 10 systems that have lost audio. I got 2 of them to recover. This one I am on now, it is still failing. What I see is the sound mapper stops working. No entry in the Volume Mixer when I launch Thetis and power it up. Is there a log file that I can get generated that would show me the initialization messages as the program is launching? Perhaps a flag on the command line that gives me some debug data? Not a lot of documentation on how to debug the program. 

John

[Reid Campbell]

Hi John,

Sorry, there isn't any debug files that I'm aware off. The only command line options are to specify a different database and auto start the program to connect to the radio, well I think that what's it for - never tried it.

Windows has all these protections on the sound system now, so you might have to work your way through those screens but they are less than helpful any time I have looked.

Sorry that I can be of more help.

Cheers

Reid
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[Joe KD2NFC]

I am funding your messages to the same problem I am having. Is there any resolution. Thetis should all you to select any input and output device and play or listen through it. thats not happening when I select my Fifine USB pnp audio device. Do you have the same one? When I select other audio devices like my laptop mic or a VAC the audio play or listens with that device. But this does not work the same with the FIFINE mic I am using. 

Joe

KD2NFC

[Eric Zhao]

Hi Sid,

Have you ever known https://www.icdrex.com ? There are many genuine original chips on this website.

I believe you can find the components you need here.

Thanks,

Eric

[Bob Henderson]

Hi Reid

As a new guy I am confused.  I am currently running v2.10.3.6 x64 HL beta 3.  Is v2.8.12-beta 5 an upgrade or something different entirely?  The version number suggests an older version.

Thanks.

Bob, 5B4AGN

[Bob Henderson]

Hi Reid

As a new guy I am confused.  I am currently running v2.10.3.6 x64 HL beta 3.  Is v2.8.12-beta 5 an upgrade or something different entirely?  The version number suggests an older version.

Thanks.

Bob, 5B4AGN

[Ron Lewkowicz]

Take note that you are replying to a thread from 2021.

[Bob Henderson]

I should pay closer attention Ron but was caught out by this appearing on the list with yesterday's date.  Google groups works rather differently to groups.io where most of my groups reside.

Thanks for your help.  I am a bit less confused as a result.