Release of Thetis v2.9.0.8-HL2 Beta 4

[scumballc...@gmail.com]

Hi,

This is the release of v2.9.0.8-HL2 Beta 4 of Thetis for HL2.

https://github.com/mi0bot/OpenHPSDR-Thetis/releases/tag/v2.9.0.8-beta4

It isn't a proper install but a zip of an install and can be placed in an different directory (I use C:\OpenHPSDR) so should allow the original release to still be used. Then just run Thetis.exe within your new directory.

If you haven't already done so, you first need to install the latest release of Thetis (x86 or x64 version) as it sets up things like skins and support for the new meter functionality. The link is

https://github.com/ramdor/Thetis-2.8.0

Please read the release instructions associated with the above release as there has been updates to resources which will affect some controls.

This release may require a reset of the database.

No warranty or guarantee, use at your own risk. It should use it's own database but do a backup of your current Thetis one just in case.

Cheers

Reid

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[Reid Campbell]

Forgot to add what was in the release:

# 2.9.0.8 Beta 4 (2023-08-04)

- Corrected audio mixing issue

- Updated PS control logic for corner case issue

- Fixed issue where Rx filters were not being selected correctly

- Fixed power dip at the start of tuning

- Added power control back in PA gain form. It now take 0 - 100 to make it more understandable Cheers  Reid Gi8TME/Mi0BOT

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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Thanks Reid,

For the great response to issues and your quick resolutions to fix them! 

[Pez]

Hello everyone. 

Please note, because of the change "Added power control back in PA gain form. It now take 0 - 100 to make it more understandable"  you will need to head to the following screen and update your "PA Gain by band" to 100% in BETA 4, for the full 5 watt power output. If you don't, you will only see around 1 watt power output, as this setting will default to 39%.

I hope this helps.

73



Pez 

[Reid Campbell]

Hi Pez,

Thanks for pointing that out. The Beta 4 will pick the 38.8 from the database and use that as the new gain figure. For full power you need 100 in the spin boxes. The reset button should do that for all the HL2 bands.

I should also point out that it's not a true % as 50% will probably be less that 2.5W. Also 0 is not no power, 0 is lowest power setting, which is about 0.7 watts.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Pez]

Thanks for your excellent work Reid. Beta 4 is working very well for me here. Did you end up looking any further at the 'timing issues' related to the UDP discovery / directed UDP? (For connection over VPN, etc)
73

[Reid Campbell]

Unfortunately my internet connection does not allow me to open ports for direct connections or VPNs, so I have no way of testing any changes. The change I did do was simple to implement but it looks like there is a more fundamental issue.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Ivan Medvedev]

Thanks Reid. Great progress in improving Thetis software. With TX delay left a negative factor in FT8 mode. When WSJT-X goes to TX, transmission starts after 1+ seconds. It's not a problem (maybe), but my FTdx101D starts transmitting without delay.

Good luck

 Jonas LY1O

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Set a separate profile for digital modes and turn off or adjust TX delay to fit those needs and save the profile.

Would that not work.? 

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[G3TSO - Mike]

Tried the new Beta 4 release and with the HL2+ getting audio feedback from the speaker to the Mic. No problem when reverting back to Beta 3.

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Check that monitor or audio loopbacks are not on 

Otherwise try database reset.

Then 

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[Ivan Medvedev]

In Setup/General/Options-1 there are delay settings. CW Delay is specified in mS. RX Delay, MOX Delay, RF Delay & PTT Delay time unit is not specified. I set it to zero. Transmission on FT8 starts after the first second. Don't rush to work :).

73, LY1O

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Did you also look at general F/W Set then on right TX latency. Before you decided to take the day off?

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[Ivan Medvedev]

General>F/W Set. TX Latency=0 & PTT Hang=0. Transmission to FT8 starts after one second.

73! LY1O

[Reid Campbell]

Hi Ivan,

I think is might be more to do with the way that transmission is initiated. If it's over CAT, there can be polling delays. I would also check WSJT-X advance options for delay before Tx.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Reid Campbell]

Hi Mike,

One of the changes in this release was made to fix an issue with the add on card. I built a test release with fix and it was tested and shown to work. You might want to contact other members with the card to see if there is some configuration issue.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Using MSHV here for FT8. I am using TCi for rig control.

Yes there is a small delay mine is . 02  to . 03

That varies with PTT and TX delay on both tabs mentioned above.

What will really happen when using time critical apps like VarAC which requires great timing or no links will be made between stations, I'll still need to test. 

With beta 3 the timing was good. 

Perhaps later if time permits I'll test with B4.

On another note. Reid

last evening I ran for 40 minutes here without issue using both amps.  HR50 driving the Acom after a little adjust in the power curve/output settings and the correct LPF switching. Things went very well! 

Thank you again.

Rick 

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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Reid

Card?

You're talking about the new filter board with any switching and pico controller?

If so can't wait till that is available from MakerFabs

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[Reid Campbell]

No, the OP had the add in audio card which is dependent on Anan type functionality. There was a new function which needed the hardware type identified and as it didn't affect normal HL2's my testing didn't pick it up.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Reid Campbell]

I'll just correct you on the filter aspect of the I/O card, it only has a HPF to the limit MF overload on the second receive input. It doesn't replace the current LPF board.

Cheers 

Reid
Gi8TME/Mi0BOT

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Great thanks for that info.

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[g3tso]

Reid,

Managed to find the issue. Its the MON switch which up to now has not been an issue Select it OFF and the feedback stops.

73

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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Reid.

Do you recall rough what frequencies MF.

As I have tested and seen around 1.3-2 MHz some odd things, which is why I mentioned the  findings with Orions (ten tec) rigs and a low frequency issue that was tripping Acom amps.

Where using a HPF filter between the rig and the amp stopped that from tripping Acom amps.

Currently I'm using a HPF filter between rig/amp and that gas tamed those spikes down a bit.

Just curious , don't want to tie up this thread with that discussion.

But would be interested in approximate frequency was noted.

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[Reid Campbell]

The HPFs are only in the receive paths. The one on the N2ADR filter board is control via bit 7 of the OC form in the setup pages.

The 2nd receive input HPF is under control of the Pico and it will be selected when the rx frequency is above the cut off frequency. I though that both filters where the same but I see one capacitor has a different value in the 2nd receive input.

They are both around 1 - 3 Mhz cut-off but James would be able to give a more definitive answer.

Cheers 

Reid
Gi8TME/Mi0BOT

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Thank you .

Will see if James replies with more info.

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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

@Reid

I'm curious as to what is the difference. Between the red boxed settings between these two tabs under General.

Perhaps I'm reading into something into this, that isn't but besides the labeling between them, are they not performing the same functions?

General Options-1

General F/W

If you could clarify the difference that would be very helpful

Thank you,

[Pez]

My understanding:

General Options-1 = these settings manage the delays at the software end - Good for managing Audio (VAC) delays and TX/Amplifier key-up times, etc.. 

General F/W = this sends these commands over IP to the HL2 gateware, to set the FIFO TX buffer and PTT relay hang time in the HL2 itself. This is good for managing IP related issues (chattering PTT relays, etc).  Note - these settings are stored in volatile memory, so they are reset to defaults on a power cycle. But that's OK as software like Thetis and SDR Console will tell the HL2 what settings you have entered here, each time you connect to it. 

I hope that helps (and I hope that's all correct!) :)

73

[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Thanks, that helps clarify it some.

if I wanted to possible shorten an unkeying tail, then I should use the F/W PTT hang and lower value there- if I understand correctly

And use the Option-1 TX DELAY (NOT F/W TX Latency) to set more time before RF is applied to the key up to avoid say hot switching or allowing for any spike to settle before RF is sent to output.

[Ivan Medvedev]

That time doesn't add up? For example: TX Latency = 30, RF Delay = 20. Total Delay = 50?

73, LY1O

[Reid Campbell]

That would be my understand of how it works. I have considered combining the software and hardware settings into one control but I still haven't gotten my head around what effects that would cause and what limitations.

I would be interested in peoples thoughts.

Cheers 

Reid
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[Pez]

IMO, I much prefer when settings that are controlling things in separate locations, or on separate devices (eg, "Software Settings" and "Hardware Settings") remain on separate pages, or at least in their own clearly defined sections... It's probably more of a settings "re-naming" exercise to make it clear about what each setting does, and where it does it?... The mouse-over (hover) popup tips, where they exist, can be helpful as well.  

If it was all in one control page, as long as the relevant settings for Hardware and Software were grouped and labeled in their correct boxes (as HW or SW specific), I would be happy! :)

73

[Christoph v. Wüllen]

Note the standard delays of the protocols are one thing, but the "TX latency" of the HL2 is
non-standard.

CW Keyer PTT delay ==> C0 = 0x1E/0x1F packet, value in C3
CW Keyer hang time ==> C= = 0x1E/0x1F packet, value in C1/C2

HL2 PTT hang time ==> C0 = 0x2E/2F packet, value in C3
HL2 PTT latency ==> C0 = 0x2E/2F packet, value in C4

so watch out which of these values are actually set when checking "some box",
if the software is not HL2-aware it will NEVER send a 0x2E/2F packet!

@Reid: if a special HL2 value is meant, I would add "HL2" to the check box description.

> Am 08.08.2023 um 09:26 schrieb Reid Campbell <scumballc...@gmail.com>:
>
> That would be my understand of how it works. I have considered combining the software and hardware settings into one control but I still haven't gotten my head around what effects that would cause and what limitations.
>
> I would be interested in peoples thoughts.
>
> Cheers
>
> Reid
> Gi8TME/Mi0BOT
>
> On 08/08/2023 01:36, Pez wrote:
>> My understanding:
>>
>> General Options-1 = these settings manage the delays at the software end - Good for managing Audio (VAC) delays and TX/Amplifier key-up times, etc..
>>
>> General F/W = this sends these commands over IP to the HL2 gateware, to set the FIFO TX buffer and PTT relay hang time in the HL2 itself. This is good for managing IP related issues (chattering PTT relays, etc). Note - these settings are stored in volatile memory, so they are reset to defaults on a power cycle. But that's OK as software like Thetis and SDR Console will tell the HL2 what settings you have entered here, each time you connect to it.
>>
>> I hope that helps (and I hope that's all correct!) :)
>>
>> 73
>> On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 10:13:16 am UTC+10 service...@gmail.com wrote:
>> @Reid
>>
>> I'm curious as to what is the difference. Between the red boxed settings between these two tabs under General.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm reading into something into this, that isn't but besides the labeling between them, are they not performing the same functions?
>>
>> General Options-1
>>
>>
>>

>> General F/W

>>
>>
>> If you could clarify the difference that would be very helpful
>>
>> Thank you,
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:05:42 PM UTC-4 Rick Langford wrote:
>> Thank you .
>>
>> Will see if James replies with more info.
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Reid Campbell <scumballc...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2023 12:59:07 PM
>>
>> To: Rick Langford (N8SDR) <service...@gmail.com>; herme...@googlegroups.com <herme...@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Release of Thetis v2.9.0.8-HL2 Beta 4
>> The HPFs are only in the receive paths. The one on the N2ADR filter board is control via bit 7 of the OC form in the setup pages.
>>
>> The 2nd receive input HPF is under control of the Pico and it will be selected when the rx frequency is above the cut off frequency. I though that both filters where the same but I see one capacitor has a different value in the 2nd receive input.
>>
>> They are both around 1 - 3 Mhz cut-off but James would be able to give a more definitive answer.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Reid
>> Gi8TME/Mi0BOT
>>
>> On 06/08/2023 16:57, Rick Langford (N8SDR) wrote:
>>> Reid.
>>>
>>> Do you recall rough what frequencies MF.
>>>
>>> As I have tested and seen around 1.3-2 MHz some odd things, which is why I mentioned the findings with Orions (ten tec) rigs and a low frequency issue that was tripping Acom amps.
>>>
>>> Where using a HPF filter between the rig and the amp stopped that from tripping Acom amps.
>>>
>>> Currently I'm using a HPF filter between rig/amp and that gas tamed those spikes down a bit.
>>>
>>> Just curious , don't want to tie up this thread with that discussion.
>>>
>>> But would be interested in approximate frequency was noted.
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Reid Campbell <scumballc...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2023 11:22:44 AM
>>> To: Rick Langford (N8SDR) <service...@gmail.com>; herme...@googlegroups.com <herme...@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Release of Thetis v2.9.0.8-HL2 Beta 4 I'll just correct you on the filter aspect of the I/O card, it only has a HPF to the limit MF overload on the second receive input. It doesn't replace the current LPF board.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Reid
>>> Gi8TME/Mi0BOT
>>>
>>> On 06/08/2023 16:19, Reid Campbell wrote:
>>>> No, the OP had the add in audio card which is dependent on Anan type functionality. There was a new function which needed the hardware type identified and as it didn't affect normal HL2's my testing didn't pick it up.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Reid
>>>> Gi8TME/Mi0BOT
>>>>
>>>> On 06/08/2023 16:11, Rick Langford (N8SDR) wrote:
>>>>> Reid
>>>>>
>>>>> Card?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're talking about the new filter board with any switching and pico controller?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so can't wait till that is available from MakerFabs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: herme...@googlegroups.com <herme...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Reid Campbell <scumballc...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2023 10:32:04 AM
>>>>> To: herme...@googlegroups.com <herme...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Release of Thetis v2.9.0.8-HL2 Beta 4 Hi Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the changes in this release was made to fix an issue with the add on card. I built a test release with fix and it was tested and shown to work. You might want to contact other members with the card to see if there is some configuration issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Reid
>>>>> Gi8TME/Mi0BOT
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/08/2023 13:43, G3TSO - Mike wrote:
>>>>>> Tried the new Beta 4 release and with the HL2+ getting audio feedback from the speaker to the Mic. No problem when reverting back to Beta 3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 6 August 2023 at 12:52:48 UTC+1 service...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Set a separate profile for digital modes and turn off or adjust TX delay to fit those needs and save the profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would that not work.?
>>>>>>
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[Reid Campbell]

The HL2 specific settings are in a group box for the HL2 but I noticed
that there is no pop up help, so I'll add that for the next release.

Cheers

Reid
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[Robert Benedict]

I'm running Beta 4 and it generally works well. Unfortunately, although many skins appear correctly the W1AEX 883 Quad and K2GX World Blur RGB are washed out and there is no image in the spectrum display.

I tried resetting the db but no joy. Anything else I can try?

    Bob   KD8CGH

[Robert Benedict]

I was sent a treasure trove of skins. Most work. K2GX World Blue works, but K2GX World Blue RGB and W1AEX 883 Quad still don't display correctly.

    Bob  KD8CGH

[Rick Langford]

And you'll find that varies version of thetis not only Reids HL2 versions but other have that some issue with some skins.

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[Robert Benedict]

Thanks Rick.

The ones that work are very nice.

I've been using SDR Console and recently became a new Thetis user.  I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in the install or settings.

BTW - I see Reid has already released beta 5.

    Bob  KD8CGH

[Rick Langford]

I had that issue as well as others for a while even back in the old power SDR days.

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[Rick Langford (N8SDR)]

Yes Bob  released a few hours ago- 

@ Reid what changes I did not see a change log report-?

Thank you,

[Reid Campbell]

It's in the release email, it's a biggy, really happy with it during testing. 

- Added ability to access HL2 over a WAN connection.

Cheers 

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[Nuno Lopes]

That one is a must, for remote control.

Thanks for that Reid, would love to do some contest while on the pool in vacation.

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