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QUR\'ANIC HISTORICAL ERRORS

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Sura 12:20 The (Brethren) sold him for a miserable price, for a few
dirhams counted out. In such low estimation did they hold him!

Sura 12 is named Yusuf or Joseph. It is about the same Joseph, son of
Jacob, found in the Bible. The "they" are Joseph's brothers, and
the "him" is Joseph. Compare this to Genesis chapter 37. The
problem here is dirhams were coins created by the Lydians in the 7th
century B.C.E. This is about 1,300 years after the time Joseph would
have lived!

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Sura 20:95 (Moses) said, "What then is your case, O Samiri?"

Sura 20:85-97 tells the story of the Hebrews' rebellion to God, in
the wilderness, by worshipping a golden calf. The Samiri (Arabic for
Samaritan) is blamed for the incident here. The Hebrews wandered in the
wilderness some time around the 15th century B.C.E. The problem here is
the Samaritans did not exist until the 8th century B.C.E. at the
earliest.

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Sura 7:124 Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite
sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross.

Sura 7:103-142 tells the story of Moses' conflict with Pharaoh in
Egypt. In Sura 7:124 Pharaoh threatens Moses and Aaron with death on a
cross. The anachronism here is obvious. Crucifixion was made famous by
the Romans, and was first recorded, by Darius the 1st, as happening in
the 6th century B.C.E. In addition, the baker in Joseph's story is
threatened with the cross in Sura 12:41. This would make the appearance
of the cross in the Qur'an about 1,300 years too early.

The above listed references in the Qur'an are out of time references,
or anachronisms. They are signs of literary fraud. Mankind's
knowledge about itself is not complete and never will be. But, an
incomplete knowledge of the past does not negate what is known about
the past. When Muhammad recited these passages he got his history
wrong.

William Shakespeare made a historical mistake when he put a clock in
his play Julius Caesar. However, Shakespeare never claimed to be
writing scripture or a literal, historical account; he never claimed to
be a prophet. He wrote a piece of historical fiction when he penned
Julius Caesar. Muhammad claimed to be a prophet, yet he made the same
type of mistake Shakespeare did. If Muhammad did truly receive the
Qur'an from God, it would not be filled with bad history.

QUR\'ANIC CONFLATIONS

A conflation is a blending together of two (or more) stories, accounts,
or words oftentimes where the resulting product does not make sense.
Coming from a culture where stories were oftentimes transmitted orally,
and being functionally illiterate, it is easy to see how Muhammad could
have made these types of a mistakes. However, they are mistakes, and
they are signs that Muhammad was not conversing with a messenger from
the Almighty. Many biblical stories were floating around Arabia in the
6th and 7th centuries, and Muhammad mistakenly spliced them together.
Contrary to the wild explanations Muslim apologists would have one
believe, the most logical explanation for the conflations found in the
Qur\'an is that Muhammad sourced from Bible stories and mixed them
together.

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Sura 2:249-251 When Talut set forth with the armies, he said, \"Allah
will test you at the stream. If any drinks of its water, he goes not so
with my army. Only those who do not taste of it go with me. A mere sip
out of the hand is excused.\" But they all drank of it, except a few.
When they crossed the river he and the faithful ones with him they
said, \"This day we cannot cope with Goliath and his forces.\" But
those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said, \"How oft, by
Allah\'s will, has a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with
those who steadfastly persevere.\" When they advanced to meet Goliath
and his forces, they prayed, \"Our Lord! Pour out constancy on us and
make our steps firm. Help us against those that reject faith.\" By
Allah\'s will, they routed them, and David slew Goliath, and Allah gave
him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did
Allah not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would
indeed be full of mischief. But Allah is full of Bounty to all the
worlds.

Essentially this is a condensed retelling of the story of Gideon
(Judges 7:1-7) and David vs. Goliath (I Samuel 17). Here the Qur\'an
keeps the testing at the stream from the story of Gideon and alters it
slightly. Then the story of the Israelites defeating the Philistines is
added (Saul = Talut). Although, the dual between David and Goliath
appears to be omitted.

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Sura 28:23-28 And when he arrived at the watering (place) in Madyan, he
found there a group of men watering (their flocks), and beside them he
found two women who were keeping back (their flocks). He said, \"What
is the matter with you?\" They said, \"We cannot water (our flocks)
until the shepherds take back (their flocks), and our father is a very
old man.\" So he watered (their flocks) for them; then he turned back
to the shade, and said, \"O my Lord! Truly am I in (desperate) need of
any good that You do send me!\" Afterwards one of the (damsels) came
(back) to him, walking bashfully. She said, \"My father invites you
that he may reward you for having watered (our flocks) for us.\" So
when he came to him and narrated the story, he said, \"Fear not: (well)
have you escaped from unjust people.\" One of the (damsels) said, \"O
my (dear) father! Engage him on wages. Truly the best men for you to
employ is strong and trusty.\" He said, \"I intend to wed one of these
my daughters to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years;
but if you complete ten years, it will be (grace) from you. But I
intend not to place you under a difficulty. You will find me, indeed,
if Allah wills, one of the righteous.\" He said, \"Be that (the
agreement) between me and you. Whichever of the two terms I fulfil, let
there be no ill-will to me. Be Allah a witness to what we say.\"

This narrative conflates the lives of Moses and Jacob. It has Moses\'
future father-in-law trying to wed one of his daughters to Moses. This
portion of the story is borrowed from Genesis 29, and is a narrative
about Jacob son of Isaac. The marriage portion of the Qur\'an\'c
retelling matches the same spot in the Bible where Moses meets his
father-in-law. In the biblical account (Exodus 2:11-25), Moses marriage
is just prior to the occurrence of the burning bush. The Qur\'an
maintains this, yet it also adds the portion from the life of Jacob
where Jacob is indentured to his father-in-law for a time.

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Sura 40:36 & 37 Pharaoh said, \"O Haman! Build me a lofty palace, that
I may attain the ways and means, the ways and means of (reaching) the
heavens, and that I may mount up to the God of Moses. But as far as I
am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!\" Thus was made alluring, in
Pharaohs eyes the evil of his deeds, and he was hindered from the Path;
and the plot of Pharaoh led to nothing but perdition (for him).

This passage is actually three stories rolled into one. These verses
blend the deliverance of the Hebrews from Pharaoh (Exodus 5-14), the
Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9), and the story of Esther.

Haman is a Babylonian name and it appears in the book of Esther. Haman
was a counselor to the king of Babylon but here he is a counselor to
Pharaoh. Haman also appears in Sura 28:6, 29:39, and 40:24 each time
along side Pharaoh.

Here the Tower of Babel is changed to a palace but its purpose is still
the same, \"The ways and means of (reaching) the heavens, and that I
may mount up to the God of Moses.\"

Lastly, Pharaoh appears several times in the Qur\'an and is the key
figure in this passage. Many times in a conflation, one story is
sourced from more than the other(s). Here the Exodus account is the
main backdrop or parallel, but an element from Esther and the Tower of
Babel are added in.

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Sura 19:27 & 28 At length she brought the (babe) to her people,
carrying him (in her arms). They said, \"O Mary! Truly an amazing thing
you have brought! O sister of Aaron! Your father was not a man of evil,
nor your mother a woman unchaste!

This is the \"grand-daddy\" of conflations in the Qur\'an. Being from
an oral culture, and probably being functionally illiterate, it is very
easy to see how Muhammad made this mistake. The names Miriam and Mary
are phonetically very similar, and in Arabic are identical. Mary the
mother of Jesus is the person being discussed in this passage. Muhammad
made an oral conflation when he thought Miriam (daughter of
Amram/Imran) of the Pentateuch was the same person as Mary of the
Gospels.

Many weak attempts are made to justify this blatant error, including
saying that Aaron is a brother to Mary in a figurative sense. The
attempts to justify this conflation appear even more weak in light of
the fact that Mary, mother of Jesus, is seen as the daughter of Imran
throughout the Qur\'an. Mary and Jesus are seen throughout the Qur\'an
as being in a family of prophets descended from Imran. In Sura 3:33-37
Mary is descended from \"a woman of Imran\" and is assigned \"to the
care of Zakariya\". Zakariya is a man in the New Testament who was
married to Mary\'s cousin Elizabeth, and is also the father of Jesus\'
cousin John the Baptist or Yahya. Later, in Sura 66:12, Mary is even
called \"the daughter of Imran\".

It is clear to the dispassionate reader that, in the Qur\'an, Mary is
seen as the daughter of Imran/Amram thus making her the sister of Moses
and Aaron. This conflation is a tell-tale sign of fraud because it
blends two people, and two accounts, that are over 1,200 years apart.

Either Allah is a complete moron, or Mohammad lied and couldnt get his
plagiarized stories straight.

You be the judge, muslim. - fsb

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