Problems with helma's manage app

[Karsten Ehms]

with helma 1.7 the manage app cannot render the api any more on my
installation.

TypeError: Cannot find function getDoc in object [Application gobi]. (/
opt/helma/apps/manage/Application/functions.js#40)

All applications are affected.
The manage app from the 1.5.2 distribution worked fine.

I tried to find where getDoc is defined but could not make any sense
out of it.
Does the manage app rely on some helma modules or tools?

The problem has been identified some time ago http://helma.serverjs.org/hopbot/2009-10-21
but no (simple ;-) answer was raised.

Anyone any idea what could be missing?

Thanks,
karsten

[Karsten Ehms]

No one interested in this?
Can't believe it since the manage app is extremely useful if you have
some repositories the "overlay".
Is this group still alive or is the main discussion going on
elsewhere?

karsten

[p3k]

Hi Karsten

I have not been using the manage app’s API renderer for ages. Instead, I prefer to render the docs with Jala’s HopKit:

http://dev.orf.at/jala/wiki/JalaUtil/HopKit#APIdocumentation

 

Is this group still alive or is the main discussion going on
elsewhere?

Frankly, I don’t know. Already some time ago some people forked Helma at GitHub but I don’t know if there is a new spot to ask good questions about it.

https://github.com/helma-org

For sure the official channels (like this one) are in fact pretty dead. Even worse, helma.org is not reachable completely and repeatedly and the one in charge to maintain Helma is sorry that he “just can’t do it anymore”.

Sometimes I find it hard not to envy how easily some people earn their money. 

Convincing people to pay me for developing with Helma never has been an easy task. But the long-time neglect and the outages described above surely make it non-profitable and kind of humiliating.

Anyway, I recommend looking out for another framework based on JavaScript, e.g. NodeJS to be on the safer side.

Cheers,

tobi

[Chris Zumbrunn]

I don't think Hannes ever stood in the way of Helma moving forward as a community project. We would just have to put together the community that moves forward with it.

The way I see it, the main reason for the inactivity around Helma just reflects how mature and stable Helma is. Helma is a major work horse still powering way more sites than Ringo, I'm sure (certainly for me).

Personally, I still see the "helma way" of building web apps as a good approach. After the "helma way" of doing things is *maintained* in the current Helma 1.x code base, when Ringo is mature and stable enough, we may see that Ringo makes a good new core for a new framework that could run Helma apps including Antville without much porting. So, I still see the possibility of a Helma 2.0 as a framework on top of Ringo as a possible future.

Chris

[Karsten Ehms]

Hi Chris, tobi,

did not wan't to kick off a fundamental discussion ;-)

> Helma is a major work horse still
> powering way more sites than Ringo, I'm sure (certainly for me).

I would second that completely. I am using helma based applications
privately (www.ehms.net; in a shared hosted tomcat environment! with
little patching) and professionally (recently: blogs.siemens.com and
the internal Siemens Blogosphere for > 5 years now). Being quite
passionate about this piece of software I would like to see it more
"promoted" ... but also know that this sounds much more easier than it
is. Especially the caching is great. Not sure if RingoJS has something
similar.

P.S. I use(d) the manager app to jump to the code of the function that
is really run ... not easy in the filesystem if you overlay 5+
repositories ;-) So I would still love to have a version running on
1.7.

[Julian Tree]

Thanks Chris, 

I am recently looking to build a system and after looking at all other alternative.  RoR, Django I still think Helma to be the best option. I am just curious which repository should I use if I am to move forward with the project? The one on git hub?  helma-next or the one on helma.org ?  

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Julian

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[Tobi Schäfer]

I recommend github, either the “official” svn copy or the one by oberhamsi being quite actively in development:

https://github.com/helma-org/helma
https://github.com/oberhamsi/helma/tree/helma-1.8

t

[Julian Tree]

thanks, is the oberhamsi stable for production? I'm building a site for a real b2b app.

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[Julian Tree]

HI,

I tried with the oberhamsi's helma.

But it complains about not having launcher.jar


Any ideas?



Julian

[Tobi Schäfer]

i think you need to build first – try “ant jar”…

t