kapote eixame asxolh8ei
lida anestidou
cardamom: kardamo ???
tarragon
fennel
coriander
mou ta 8umizete parakalw?
epishs, rye einai h brwmh h h sikalh? oat einai h
brwmh h h sikalh?
buckwheat? yparxei sta ellhnika?
L.
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Periklhs
> cardamom: kardamo ???
Yparxoun dyo pramata me to idio onoma sta ellhnika... to fyto Kardamo
(cress) kai to mpaxariko Kardamo (cardamom). Den sxetizontai.
> fennel = Mara8os (mpliax)
> coriander = Koliantros
Rye einai h sikalh, kai Oat h brwmh.
> buckwheat? yparxei sta ellhnika?
To koino buckwheat (Fagopyrum Esculentum) to briskw se kati ellhnikes
selides "Fagopyro" pou prwth fora to akouw, ara ypopsiazomai den einai
paradosiako :-) ellhniko.
Kai synexizw me sygkentrwtikh apanthsh sta palia:
--- iannis <iann...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Wraio mail Perikln, polu wraia ta les. Movo mia evstasn 0a kavw sto
> mousaka: oi melitzaves dev nr0av apo tnv Amerikn.
Hmarton. Den kserw giati eixa auth thn entypwsh, alla twra pou epsaksa
blepw katagetai apo India meria opote ypo8etw htan gnwstes poly prin ta
amerikanika.
> (Les ki n paradosn eivai moda ap'tn mia n kati pagwmevo kai
Ma apo th stigmh pou h "paradosh" apokaleitai etsi, pauei na einai
zwntanh paradosh, ginetai mouseiako eidos (kai kapote moda). Oso einai
zwntanh den einai paradosh, einai aplws o tropos pou ginetai kati. Oi
palioteroi den xoreuan "paradosiakous xorous", xoreuan tous xorous
tous. Otan rwtousa th mhtera mou giati stis 25 Martiou trwgame
mpakaliaro den mou elege "Giati einai paradosh". Elege "Giati stis 25
Martiou trwne mpakaliaro". Oi arxaioi Ellhnes den katalabainan oti htan
arxaioi, nomizan oti htan sygxronoi :-)
--- Sophia <sop...@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
> > A, kai panta nomiza oti to "kourkos" einai paraf8ora tou "tourkos",
> > opws to "dianos" tou "indianos"
>
> Dev 3erw, kai to tourkos apo pou;
Giati exei kokkino leiri pou moiazei me fesi, eixa ma8ei, alla den
kserw kata poson einai swsto auto. Alla afou oi agglofwnoi to lene
"turkey" gia opoiodhpote logo to kanoun auto, pou to periergo na
uio8ethsoun thn onomasia mazi me to pouli kai oi PHP?
> Twra pou to els auto, edw ta xrisotugevva trwve Xmas Cake,
A, gia pes mou twra pou se brhka esy pou ksereis, einai auto to idio me
th X"niatikh poutigka pou ths bazoune fwtia (Blepe Ntikens)?
> eivia eva prama baru ki asnkwto (kuriolektika, exei eidiko baros polu
> megalo, mikro to blepeis, pas va to snkwseis sou epftei n mesn).
Kati paromoio exoun ki edw, an kai to lene perigrafikotera (Xmas)
fruitcake, kai mallon den to trwei kaneis to fylane gia tis epomenes
xronies giati (lene oi plakatzhdes) den xalaei pote :D
> Kala re Perikln, retro mousikn, OK. Alla kai retro popular culture;
H gria galopoula exei to zoumi. Pantws ontws h kyria einai poly prin
apo thn epoxh mou, den eimai akomh aiwnobios. Alla tooote htan liges
kai diashmes, opote ta onomata htan gnwsta. Twra pou na kserw tis
sygxrones koinwnikes leitourgous? Kai sthn Ellada o Gkouzgkounhs einai
synwnymos me ena eidos texnhs, oxi oi nearoi synadelfoi tou.
> A, etsi paei. Kai to Xrisotugevviatiko devtro otav nmouv amikrn oloi
> to brizave oti eivia 3evoferto e0imo
Sth dikh mou epoxh den eixe arxisei akomh h antidendrikh ekstrateia,
auta einai kamwmata ths ysterhs xountas - prwimhs metapoliteushs.
Anarwtiemai stous posous aiwnes politografeitai mia paradosh h ena
zarzabatiko. Endiaferon na ksereis oti to dentro to feran oi Bauaroi,
alla exoun perasei sxedon dyo aiwnes apo tote, twra mas peirakse?
Ki emeis plastiko dentro eixame, htan omws kalhs poiothtas mallon giati
den madouse. Ka8e xrono to idio, me ta idia stolidia (syn merika
kainouria gia na antikatasthsoun auta pou espagan, alla yphrxan merikes
eftapsyxes mpalles pampalaies), ta idia fwtakia (ena set kerakia, ena
margarites), oi idioi agiobasilhdes apo katw, h idia fatnh. Paradosh
:-). Egw fysika snompariza ta panta, to stolisma htan etsi ki alliws
gynaikeia douleia, alla apo mia hlikia kai meta apagorepsa thn eisbolh
sto dwmatio mou gia diakosmhsh tzamiwn kai fwtistikwn. Ki exw twra
dhmiourghsei th dikh mou paradosh - den kanw to paramikro gia
Xristougenna kai Pasxa klp. ki exw thn hsyxia mou.
> To movo kalo me auto to devtro tnav oi mpalles, oi opoioes ntav oles
> gialives kai pou paliomoditikes
Giati, twra apo ti einai? Plastiko? (Exw na dw Ellhnikh
Xristougennompalla kapoies dekaeties, mia pou mono kalokairia paw
Ellada). H ennoeis gyalines diafaneis? Giati exw thn entypwsh oti autes
pou 8ymamai htan poly lepto gyali, epimetallwmeno, gi' auto htan toso
eu8raustes. Kai mporouses na kopeis asxhma otan espagan.
> Eixame kai kati stolidia sav kladia devtrou me gialisteres mpalles
> gia karpous dn0ev, ta opoia piavame stis kourtives me karfitses.
Auto pou legane "Gky"?
http://www.valentine.gr/images/gal-tre1.jpg
Emeis tetoia eixame gia tis kourtines.
> agapnmevo meros tns upo0esns, mia mikrn plastikn xiovompala me evav
> fortwmevo anbasiln va perpataei se xiovismevo topio
Emeis eixame gyalinh, apo autes pou exoun ygro kai tis kounas kai
xionizei, alla eixan ena xwrio mesa, oxi agiobasilh. Bebaia skeftomai
twra oti an krinw apo to mege8os twn spitiwn, oi "nifades" mallon
alpikes xionostibades htan, alla milaei o mhxanikos mesa mou. Tote htan
toso, ma toso grafiko! (Pou na 'ksera ti mou' melle na pa8w me to meros
pou dialeksa gia metaptyxiaka).
> Kai gia va epistreyw se auto pou elege o Giavvns, ma eivai gegovos:
> mu0ologia tns paradosns, 0a eprepe isws va to leme. Ta palia xrovia
> pou devav ta skulia me ta loukavika,
Mono pou, osoi pragmatika zousan thn paradosh, den eblepan thn wra na
thn ksefortw8oun, kai me to dikio tous. Wraio to paradosiako nero ths
bryshs, alla ante phgaine me stamna na to koubalas gia oles tis anagkes
sou. Wraio to zymwto pswmi sto fourno me ta ksyla, alla gia na zymwneis
mia mera stis 15 kai meta apo thn trith mera na prepei na fas pswmi pou
eixe ginei petra. Kai to "fanari" gia to faghto anti gia psygeio, kai h
gkaziera gia mageirema, kai to baporaki gia siderwma. Egw den prolaba
na ta zhsw kanonika, mono otan phgainame diakopes sthn Kwronhsia h
episkepsh stous 8eious mou sto xwrio tou patera mou pou den eixe reuma
ta eblepa, alla auto mou ftanei gia na mhn ekstasiazomai me th my8ikh
"paradosh" twn gastrimargikwn selidwn stis efhmerides h ta
pseutoparadosiaka magazia.
--- lida anestidou <lhda_h...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > Oxi, milaw gia Hpeiro kai den eixe prosfyges.
>
> koita3e, emena h giagia mou Hpeirwtisssa htane kai
> kourko sto fourno gia Xristougenna den kaname pote.
Auto lew ki egw, sthn Hpeiro den eixe ginei akomh "paradosh" h
galopoula
> a, re Periklh, tis farmes me internet deliveries den
> tis gnwrizeis?
Nai alla den nomizw autoi na xrhsimopoioun tetoia 8eokatarata kai
monterna pramata. Alla 8a rwthsw ton filo mou kai 8a sou pw.
> gia na fas kala proionta. 3ereis oti odhgoume 35 lepta
> gia na pame wegman's
Xe xe emena einai to kontinotero magazi sto spiti mou :-) (btw,
apofasise na mhn poulaei pia tsigara, diabaza). Alla farmers' market
den exoume to xeimwna, kai persi to kalokairi me apogohteusan auta pou
poulousan edw. Poly xeirotera pramata apo prohgoumenes xronies.
[Myrwdika sto fai]
> kai pws 8a to katalabaines, paidi prama?
> pa8ologoanatomikh analush sth gemish ekanes?
Pws fainetai oti den eisai idiotroph sto faghto... an yparxei kati pou
den mou aresei to katalabainw kai se apeiroelaxistes posothtes na
einai.
> paidia mou, psa3te tis suntages. akomh kai
> paradosiakoi chefs, opws h Julia Child,
Paradosiakh chef h e8nikh French Cook? :-0 Mono an th sygkrineis me
kati New Age asteres tou Food Network. Pantws den epimenw gia to
amerikaniko galopoulogemisma, giati den exw asxolh8ei me to 8ema.
> > kai dekaplasia nostalgia den 8a me ekane na mou
> > aresoun oi mpamies, p.x.)
>
> iiiiii, de ntrepesai.
Ka8olou. Den mou aresan tote, den mou aresoun kai twra (mono pou tote
eprepe na tis faw an den h8ela na tis faw, dioti "auto ebgale o
tetzerhs shmera" enw twra tis agnow, allwste mono mpamies den 8ymizoun
auta ta stafidiasmena tsoutsounia pou exoun to 8rasos na poulane gia
mpamies edw).
[Lhda pros Giannh]
> Entupwsiazomai ta megista me thn perigrafh auth, dioti
> apo pou kai ws pou eixe ginei h galopoula sth dekaetia
> tou 70 ellhniko Xristougenniatiko edesma?
Eixe ginei kai nwritera. Sou lew, sth mikrh polh ths Peloponnhsou pou
phgame sta '60s kykloforousane kopadia otan plhsiazane ta Xristougenna.
Profanws den salagousan oi galoboskoi ntouzines galopoula mono kai mono
gia tis kyries dieu8yntou E8nikhs kai genikotera th mikroskopikh
A8hnaio8remmenh aristokratia. Ase pou kai h aristokratia mprtzoblaxoi
deuterhs genias htan sthn pleiopshfia tous, alla pes oti akribws gi'
auto 8a maimoudizan isws th symperifora twn "A8hnaiwn" gia na deiksoun
oti den anhkoun stous hoi polloi. Oxi, oi galopoules htan to stantar
faghto twn X'gennwn se ola ta spitia, kai oles oi noikokyres kserane
pws na tis mageirepsoun. Kai den milaw, opws h Sofia, gia thn
sygkritika kosmopolitikh Patra, alla gia mikrh agrotikh polh. Alla
ypo8etw h Peloponnhsos htan pio dytikopoihmenh apo thn Hpeiro. Twra
*pote* egine e8imo ekei katw h galopoula, den to kserw. Alla to
1960toso htan hdh.
P.
iannis
> me metafraseis twn parakatw:
>
> cardamom: kardamo ???
Opws ta eipe o Periklns: duo diaforetika pragmata
> tarragon
To Galliko estragon, pou to galloellnviko mou le3iko tou 1975 to
apodidei sta ellnvika ws drakovteio.
Kai to site auto sumfwvei, parolo pou dev to exw akousei pote
drakovteio sta ellnvika:
http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Artemisia.html
> fennel
mara0os opws eipe o Periklns alla twra teleutaia pou arxisav va
poulave kai tis baseis ki oxi movo ta fulla (idia e3eli3n me to selivo
pou apo matsakia tupou maivtavou pou trwgame palia twra sou poulave
oloklnra klwvaria) sta supermarket to leve fivokio :-)
Stnv Ellada bazame ligo apo fulla mara0ou gia murwdiko alla de 0umamai
se ti. Se turopitakia; se vtolmadakia; de 0umamai.
Stn Gallia ta platia kotsavia stn basn twv fullwv me tnv kardia pou
sxnmatizetai sto kevtro givovtai para polu wraia tarta me solwmo (afou
ta 3ebraseis ligo gia va fugei n polu evtovn murwdia).
Episns ta sporia tou xrnsimopoiouvtai gia va gemiseis lauraki priv to
baleis sta karbouva kai pave polu wraia episns.
Gevika oi Galloi to suvduazouv me yari alla egw merikes fores bazw 3-4
sporakia kai stn xortosoupa.
> coriander
Koliavdros (av ki egw eixa pei paliotera oti to n3era kori'avdro kai
mou eixate pei oti prwta fora to akoute).
Sta parakatw apavtnse o Periklns.
Yiannis
iannis
>> Wraio mail Perikln, polu wraia ta les. Movo mia evstasn 0a kavw sto
>> mousaka: oi melitzaves dev nr0av apo tnv Amerikn.
>
> Hmarton. Den kserw giati eixa auth thn entypwsh, alla twra pou epsaksa
> blepw katagetai apo India meria opote ypo8etw htan gnwstes poly prin
> ta
> amerikanika.
Ypo0etw oti eixes autnv tnv evtupwsn giati para polla futa tns idias
oikogeveias (Solavweidn) katagovtai apo Amerikn: vtomata, patata,
kapvos, mpelavtova, mandragora, petouvia, polles piperies kauteres kai
mn.
H melitzava ki egw eixa diabasei oti katagetai apo tnv Ivdia alla dev
exw idea pote nr0e stnv Ellada. Stn dutikn Eurwpn leve oti tnv eferav
oi Arabes mesw Isapavias alla se mas mporei va eixe er0ei ap'eu0eias,
dev 3erw. Gia va tns divoume to italiko tns ovoma isws nr0e apo dutika
kavovtas to guro tns Mesogeiou.
Yiannis
Sophia
Giavvn :-(
> Stnv Ellada bazame ligo apo fulla mara0ou gia murwdiko alla de 0umamai
> se ti. Se turopitakia; se vtolmadakia; de 0umamai.
Stis xortoopites sigoura, opws kai sto frikase ki allou. Emeis to
xrnsimopoioume polu perissotero apo to maivtavo sto spiti, otav to
briskoume. Bebaiws PANTA briskoume giati futrwvei sto xwrafi mas sto
xwrio, pame kai mazeuoume, eidika to Pasxa gia tn mageiritsa.
> Koliavdros (av ki egw eixa pei paliotera oti to n3era kori'avdro kai mou
> eixate pei oti prwta fora to akoute).
Egw koliavtro 3erw ta sporia, pou ta bazouv stous artous. Ta fulal dev
ta trwgame pote.
>> epishs, rye einai h brwmh h h sikalh? oat einai h
>> brwmh h h sikalh?
The catcher in the rye= o kuvngos stn sikaln.
Eukolso tropos va to 0umasai :-)))
>> buckwheat? yparxei sta ellhnika?
Fusika kai uparxei.
Barley kri0ari
Oats brwmn (kai oats ellnvisti... kouaker)
Rye sikaln
Millet kexri
Spelt agriositaro (to exw dei kai episnma "sitos spelta" alal de vomizw
sta xwria oi palioi va to legave etsi)
buckwheat fagopuro 'n mauro sitari
Bran pitouro
Opote oi modatoi trwme zwotrofes kai xairomaste ki apo pavw giati trwme
"ugieiva".
Periklhs
> To Galliko estragon, pou to galloellnviko mou le3iko tou 1975 to
> apodidei sta ellnvika ws drakovteio.
To eida auto se ena allo site, pou to elege kai "Tarxwn" sta "Old
Greek" alla egw to tarragon sthn Ellada den to hksera (polla den hksera
sthn Ellada, afou oute augo den ebraza). To ema8a en HPA kai sthn
Ellada twra to akouw estragon, les kai perimenoun ton Godot. Paei mazi
me to mpalsamiko kai ta pleurwtous kai genikotera ta sampinion. Einai
paradosiakes onomasies...
(asxeto, alla sta edw estiatoria pou 8eloun na to paiksoun kyrilata kai
galloma8h grafoun ston katalogo tous oti to to tade kommati kreas is
served "with au jus", enw kai sta mh kyrilata mas lene oti "The soup du
jour today is..." :-) )
> mara0os ...alla twra teleutaia ...to leve fivokio :-)
A, nai, allh paradosiakh onomasia ki auth.
> Stnv Ellada bazame ligo apo fulla mara0ou gia murwdiko alla de
> 0umamai se ti. Se turopitakia; se vtolmadakia; de 0umamai.
Auto mou 8ymizei oti enw trellainomai gia spanakopita, mia fora pou den
ebriske ani8o h mhtera mou (h opoia eftiaxne yperoxh spanakopita alla
den thn ebaze sto stoma ths) skefthke na balei ligo agrio mara8o apo
ton opoio eixame 8amnous oloklhrous sthn aulh mas. Kai aporhse pws to
katalaba (kai kseshlwsa epanastash kai arnh8hka na faw th molysmenh
spanakopita). Auto gia th Lhda pou elegw pws mporeis na katalabeis ti
exei h gemish... Den mou aresei ka8olou h myrwdia tou, mou 8ymizei
xalasmeno ouzo.
--- Sophia <sop...@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
> Stis xortoopites sigoura, opws kai sto frikase ki allou.
Mporei, alla se o,ti me afora to frikase bgainei apo to frikh, ki etsi
akomh kai na exei mara8o me to kilo den 8a to hksera.
> Egw koliavtro 3erw ta sporia, pou ta bazouv stous artous. Ta fulal
> dev ta trwgame pote.
Ta trwne twra? Kai egw sporous hksera apo palia, ta fylla "cilantro" ta
prwtoeida edw kai ta perasa gia maintano.
> Millet kexri
Auto den hksera ti einai, an kai to eixa synanthsei se metafraseis ths
Perl Mpak kai alla biblia peri Kinas, dioti monimws oi daiforoi
koulhdes plhrwnontan me kexri. Ypo8etw 8a eixa dei afou taizoun ta
kanarinia m' auto, alla den hksera oti auto htan to kexri.
> Opote oi modatoi trwme zwotrofes kai xairomaste ki apo pavw giati
> trwme "ugieiva".
Zwa eimaste, zwotrofes 8a fame. Emena m' aresei poly na bazw
kri8araleuro se pswmi, kai to brasto kri8ari m' aresei oso kai to ryzi,
mono pou 8elei poly brasimo kai bariemai. Epishs dokimasa quinoa prin
ligo kairo, ki auth mou aresei arketa. Ama den mou aresoun den paei na
einai to ygieinotero prama ths oikoumenhs? Den to akoumpaw kan.
P.
iannis
Symiakes tourtes.
Eya3a va brw suvtagn sto internet giati eivai ligo arga va tnlefwvnsw
stis 0eies mou n stnv 3adelfn mou kai brnka mazi kai akoumia kai
fakoruzo:
http://www.philothei-press.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=52
To erwtnma bebaia eivai pou briskeis edw muzn0ra; n mallov me ti mporw
va tnv avtikatastnsw...
Yiannis
Angelo Berios
>
> To erwtnma bebaia eivai pou briskeis edw muzn0ra; n mallov me ti
> mporw va tnv avtikatastnsw...
Einai kapoia Italika parmferh, alla mallon den kanoun giati emena den
m epeisan pote. Giati de les na sou steiloun apo th mama patrida na
jemplekeis;
Baggelhs
iannis
Ricotta les mallov. Gegovos, moiazei alla dev pei0ei. Pio kovta eivai
kati nmi3nra katsikisia pou exouv edw.
Alla av elega va mou steilouv 0a zntousa etoimes tourtes me to duosmo
tous :-) Allwste o,ti ulika kai va'xw sav tns 0eias mou n tns 3adelfns
mou apokleietai va tis petuxw. Mou avoi3e omws n ore3n gia kammia
Sumiakn suvtagn: akoumia (eva eidos loukoumades me ruzi kai ouzo)
givovtai eukola. Isws va prospa0nsw kai tipote giaprakia me faba.
> Baggelhs
Yiannis
lida anestidou
(bebaia, pou na tairia3ei ouzo sth spanakopitta, ti
ierosulia...) me th geush tou prasinou kremmudiou kai
tou psilokommenou ani8ou, pou epipleon sth gemish
dinoun TON tono!
Julia Child: mporei na eishgage th gallikh kouzina
stous kouzinika apolitistous ntopious, alla she is the
closest thing they have to a national cook, gi'auto
xrhsimopoihsa kai gw th le3h "paradosiakh", giati
einai kati san ton tselemente tous ena prama.
>
> (asxeto, alla sta edw estiatoria pou 8eloun na to
> paiksoun kyrilata kai
> galloma8h grafoun ston katalogo tous oti to to tade
> kommati kreas is
> served "with au jus", enw kai sta mh kyrilata mas
> lene oti "The soup du
> jour today is..." :-) )
auta einai ta kurilata tou Binghampton?
>
> > Stis xortoopites sigoura, opws kai sto frikase ki
> allou.
>
poies xortopittes? me glustrida, me tsouknida me ti?
poio frikase? me marouli? egw de bazw pote mara8o
(fennel dhladh)
kai poia xortosoupa? me ti ulika? giati se xortosoupa
me bash to praso mh mou peis, Giannh, oti bazeis
fennel...h me karoto kai patates...
edw pantws to mara9o to poulane ws kati terastious
bolbous wraious wraious asprous pou exoune poly wraia
klwnaria me fula pou einai san tou ani8ou tis belones.
ti to kanei kaneis OLO auto to pragma pote mou den
katalaba.
BTW, Giannh, shmera eixan prwtoselido (malista, en
mesw eklogwn) oi NYT to xali ths EOK pou to 50% twn
psariwn pou 8refoun ta stomaxia twn kaloma8hmenwn
eurwpaiwn psareuontai paranoma, xwris kammia prosoxh
stis quotas (pws legetai quota ellhnika), apo xwres
tritokosmikes fusika...mias kai ta eurwpaika psaria
exoun e3afanistei pro pollou.
Kai ena allo prwtoselido sth section tou faghtou eixe
reportaz gia ton Jamie Oliver pou, kai mprabo tou,
anaparhgage zwntana se kapoio thleoptiko show sto UK
olh th diadikasia ths swsths (i.e., humane) sfaghs
mias kotas KAI anaparhgage oles tis apan8rwpes
sun8hkes krathshs twn kotwn sth biomhxania poulerikwn
kai augwn.
>
> > Egw koliavtro 3erw ta sporia, pou ta bazouv stous
> artous.
pwpwp kai den trwgetai, re gamwto, pswmi me koliantro,
pswmi me dendrolibano, pswmi me oti malakia katebei
sto kefali tou ka8ena...exoun stamathsei na ftiaxnoun
pswmi kai ftiaxnoun omades apo asxeta ulika mesa sta
opoia mpainei kai ligo aleuri na ginei pswmi.
>
>
> > Millet kexri
einai allo dhmhtriako auto, omws, de bgainei apo to
stari?
>
mexri pou diabasa to email ths Sofias pou apokalese to
kri8ari barley, nomiza oti to kri8ari einai allo sxhma
pastas kamwmenhs apo sitari. 8a mou peis, den eixa
skeftei oti sthn katoxh kanane kafe apo kri8ari? swsto
ki'auto, alla den nomizw na exw akousei pote mou
kaliergeies kri8ariou.
L.
Lhda
lida anestidou
malakh 8a pareis ricotta salata. sklhrh, duskolo.
L.
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Sophia
> To erwtnma bebaia eivai pou briskeis edw muzn0ra; n mallov me ti mporw
> va tnv avtikatastnsw...
H muzu0ra sta italiak legetai ricotta.
Kai vai, eivia to idio turi, me e3airesn kait mazikns paragwgns
tupopoinmeves italikes muzn0res. AUtes mallo tis briskeis se oln tnv
Eurwpn.
Sophia
> To erwtnma bebaia eivai pou briskeis edw muzn0ra; n mallov me ti mporw
> va tnv avtikatastnsw...
H muzu0ra sta italiak legetai ricotta.
Sophia
> Ricotta les mallov. Gegovos, moiazei alla dev pei0ei. Pio kovta eivai
> kati nmi3nra katsikisia pou exouv edw.
Esteila to prongoumevo xwris va dw oti eixe apavtna0ei ndn, dieukrivisn:
opws iepa n tupoponmevn ricotta eivai mia aloifn kai misn, ama omws
exeis kavevav kalo italo mpakaln me kala turia, eivia akribws opws n
muzu0ra.
episns, epiedn edw exoume eisagwges polles apo Kupro, stnv kupro tn
muzu0ra tn leve avarn. Gia ya3to m'autoto ovoma, pavtws oses avares exw
dokiamsei eivia avostes, opws upodnlwvei kai to ovoma.
Btw, ki epiedn avafer0nkame sot mara0o, mara0opites dokimasa polu wraies
stn Suro to kalokairi, alal xwris mara0o pou va brw va ftia3w :-(
Kai vai, exw futeyei polles fores mara0o, aal dev paivei re gamwto edw
pera, dev apivei! Mikropragmata n sugkomidn.
Periklhs
ypopsiazomouna, einai to gnhsio prama: Den kseroun apo internet kai
tetoia monterna. Opote mono oi geitones tous mporoun na pswnisoun apo
kei.
> auta einai ta kurilata tou Binghampton?
Binghamton, parakalw. Den eimaste Bingh Hampton, eimaste Bingham's
town. Nai, kai pou na deis kai pws ta apaggeloun oi serbitores otan
einai se special (to fai me to "au jus, oxi oi serbitores). Epishs ta
"Ellhnika" tous estiatoria 8ewroun oti ellhniko einai o,ti exei
spanaki, ki etsi exoun "Greek chicken" pou einai sth8os kotopoulou
gemisto me spanaki. Ante, kai mia "Greek salad" (iceberg lettuce me 2-3
cherry tomatoes, ligh ageladinh pseutofeta kai elies Kalifornias) kai
kanena mpaklaba katepsygmeno apo th NYC ki eksw ap' thn porta. Otan lew
stous i8ageneis oti den yparxei ellhniko estiatorio sto Binghamton
nomizoun oti koroideuw.
Wstoso, mia pou milame gia edw, exoume topikh specialite parakalw, kai
malista wraia! Einai ta "Spiedies" (na 8ymh8w na parw ena mpoukali
spiedie sauce, mou teleiwse). To opoio einai soublaki (eks ou kai to
onoma, apo to italiko), xoirino h mosxarisio h kotopoulo, marinarismeno
se eidiko zoumi (to "spiedie sauce" pou lew) kai meta pshmeno kai
serbirismeno me pswmaki k.a. (fysika yparxei kai greek spiedie, pou
einai me feta kai ntomata, xwris spanaki omws). Yparxoun arketa
spintadika sthn perioxh, kai den yparxoun pou8ena allou. Den exw pote
thn ypomonh na marinarw kotopoulo mia mera oloklhrh pou apaitei o
swstos tropos, alla kai me kamia writsa marinarisma akomh kai to
boneless skinless kotopoulo pou trww ginetai poly nostimo.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Sandwiches/Spiedie.htm
tou exoume kai giortoula (exw paei mia fora pou eixa episkeptes
touristes)
http://www.spiediefest.com/main.aspx
> pswmi kai ftiaxnoun omades apo asxeta ulika mesa sta
> opoia mpainei kai ligo aleuri na ginei pswmi.
Nai, alla pswmi me prosmikseis kai allwn aleuriwn (h kai trimmeno
linarosporo) einai poly wraio. Egw spaniotata agorazw pswmi edw kai
xroooonia. Einai toso eukolo na ftiakseis, kai an me kataferw na to
kopsw fetes kai na to balw sthn katapsyksh amesws molis krywsei, otan
ksepagwsei ginetai ksana fresko. (Synh8ws omws bariemai na to kopsw
tote). Opote bazw diaforetika pros8eta se ka8e fratzola, gia poikilia.
Kai meta ksexnaw ti exei h ka8emia :-)
> einai allo dhmhtriako auto, omws, de bgainei apo to
> stari?
To millet den einai kan dhmhtriako aparaithta, an krinw apo th
wikipedia (pou se auta thn empisteuomai)... dioti yparxoun polla eidh
millet pou den anhkoun sto idio genos, leei.
> mexri pou diabasa to email ths Sofias pou apokalese to
> kri8ari barley, nomiza oti to kri8ari einai allo sxhma
> pastas kamwmenhs apo sitari.
Auto einai to kri8araki/orzo pou ftiaxnoume gioubetsi, kale! Otan
phgaina dhmotiko, to gkroup twn dhmhtriakwn htan prwto-prwto sto biblio
(fysikh istoria to legame tote) kai to kri8ari parousiazotan me
leptomereies, amesws meta to sitari. Oxi oti ektos apo th zwgrafia tou
bibliou eixa dei pote mou pragmatiko kri8ari (ektos apo kollyba alla
ante na ta ksexwriseis ta diafora eidh sporia pou eixan auta) oute eixa
dokimasei pote, etsi sthn tyxh eipa na parw kri8araleuro mia fora na
dokimasw, alla apo tote exw panta, dioti opws eipa nostimizei poly to
pswmi.
> ki'auto, alla den nomizw na exw akousei pote mou
> kaliergeies kri8ariou.
Kai den anarwth8hkes pote pou ebriskan thn prwth ylh ta palia
zy8opoieia? :-) Dhladh den kserw se poia merh ths Elladas
kalliergeitai, alla smapws kserw pou kalliergountai alla pramata?
P.
Sophia
> Greek" alla egw to tarragon sthn Ellada den to hksera (polla den hksera
> sthn Ellada, afou oute augo den ebraza). To ema8a en HPA kai sthn
Same here, kai de vomizw oti ofeilotav sto oti nmastav kamia oikogeveia
pou eixe koyei tis diplwmatikes sxeseis me tn mageirikn. Apla mallov ola
auta egivav kapoia stigmn tns mazikns paragwgns, avte kai ligo n
tnleorasn me ta mageirika programmata, ligo to eva, ligo to allo, ta
ma0ave kai stnv Ellada.
priv er0w edw dev eixa dei pote mou roka p.x., av kai tnv eixa akousta.
Ws omonxo tou mnxavismou pou gve0ouv to malli (dnmotikn ekpaideusn!.
Omoiws dev n3era liastes vtomates, fulla koliavtrou kai ola auta ta
perierga.
nomizw nmastav mia klassikn oikogeveia pou akolou0ouse tis sumboules tou
Tselemevte (o kos Tselemevtes dev exei vomizw tosn agapn s'auta ta
perierga fullwmata). Oi geitoves mas serbirizav sta partu soufle me
zampov kai turi, pou dev eixe kamia sxesn me auto pou twra 3erw oti
eivai to soufle. Mous sokolata upnrxe, ntav tns Alsa kai legotav
Alsamousse, dipal sto froui zele Giwtns. Kai gia spitika gluka 'n
pngaives sto Bosivakn ki agorazes savtugi xuma (alliws apo tns geitovias
to zaxaroplasteio ntav aisxos) 'n xtupages sto mi3er Morfat, pou dev exw
diea ti ntav to Morfat, alal eixe xalia geusn
> me to mpalsamiko kai ta pleurwtous kai genikotera ta sampinion. Einai
> paradosiakes onomasies...
Oxi movo oi gallikes, 3exase to tzivtzer pou bazame oloi sta keik mas
apo tnv eopxn tou kolokotrwvn, kai ta tsaibs pou opoio peirodiko va
aovi3eis stnv ellada sou elei va pros0eseis sto fagnto sou tsaibs;
Paradosiakotates ovomasies, gia apraodsiakes trofes.
> Mporei, alla se o,ti me afora to frikase bgainei apo to frikh, ki etsi
> akomh kai na exei mara8o me to kilo den 8a to hksera.
Ama to frikase eivai oxi augolemovo eiviamai xara.
>
>> Egw koliavtro 3erw ta sporia, pou ta bazouv stous artous. Ta fulal
>> dev ta trwgame pote.
>
> Ta trwne twra? Kai egw sporous hksera apo palia, ta fylla "cilantro" ta
> prwtoeida edw kai ta perasa gia maintano.
Dev tq bazov stis apradosiakes suvtages? ;-)))
Ki egw ta perasa gia maivtavo, ta ebala sta mpiftekai kai mou bgnkav
ivdika mpiftekia :-( Meta mou eipe kapoios oti sta amtsakia o maivtavos
exei movo kotsavia, to koliavtro exei kai rizes mazi, ki etsi ta
3exwrizeis.
> Zwa eimaste, zwotrofes 8a fame. Emena m' aresei poly na bazw
> kri8araleuro se pswmi, kai to brasto kri8ari m' aresei oso kai to ryzi,
Evas logos pou apo polu palai trelaivomouva gia tn soupa Scotch Broth,
exei kri0ari mesa.
Sophia
erwtnseis tou Perikln :-)))
Periklhs wrote:
> Yparxoun dyo pramata me to idio onoma sta ellhnika... to fyto Kardamo
> (cress) kai to mpaxariko Kardamo (cardamom). Den sxetizontai.
Kai to rnma "kardamwvw", fae paidi mou va kardamwseis, apo pou bgaivei;
Rwtaw giati eivai movimn aporia mou auto :-))))
A, to fuo kardamo pou les, exei alln paradosiakn ovomasia stnv Ellada,
kresov, fusika. Autoi dev epirmevouv tov Gkovto, eprimevouv tnv Evtit
Kressov.
> tous. Otan rwtousa th mhtera mou giati stis 25 Martiou trwgame
> mpakaliaro den mou elege "Giati einai paradosh". Elege "Giati stis 25
> Martiou trwne mpakaliaro".
H or0n apavtnsn eivai: giati n 25n Martiou peftei pavta mes astn
Sarakostn, pou eivia vnsteia. Kai eivai megaln giortn kai stis megales
giortes n vnsteia kataluetai movo gia yari.
To idio isxuei kai gia kapoies alles giortes pou trwve yari, de 0umamai
poies, alla vomizw eivai alles duo.
> kserw kata poson einai swsto auto. Alla afou oi agglofwnoi to lene
> "turkey" gia opoiodhpote logo to kanoun auto, pou to periergo na
> uio8ethsoun thn onomasia mazi me to pouli kai oi PHP?
Swsto. Oi agglofwvo to leve etsi giati leie emoiaze n galopoula me kati
alla kotoeidn pou vomizav oti proerxovtav apo tnv Tourkia. Kai gevikws,
tote n Tourkia ntav polu e3wtiko emros, ola ta para3eva Tourkika ntav.
>> Twra pou to els auto, edw ta xrisotugevva trwve Xmas Cake,
>
> A, gia pes mou twra pou se brhka esy pou ksereis, einai auto to idio me
> th X"niatikh poutigka pou ths bazoune fwtia (Blepe Ntikens)?
Oxi. Yparxei to Xristougevviatiko keik (pou dev eivai apokleistika
Xristougevviatiko) kai to xristougevviatiko gluko. To prwto eivia ot
fruitcake pou perigrafeis, to opoio edw kukloforei kai me alla ovomata,
avaloga me tnv parallagn kai eivai auto pou kalumevo me zaxarn sklnrn,
upo morfn diskou mvnmosuvou, serbiretai se gamous kai alles eortastikes
ekdnlwseis. H xristougevviatikn parallagn apla exei apavw kollnmevous
plastikous Anbasilndes kai devtrakia :-)))
Yparxei episns n Xristougevviatikn poutigka, pou tnv trwve ta
Xristougevva kai ama 0eleis tns perixuveis oivopveumatwdes kai tns
bazeis fwtia kai mesa bazouv vomisma gia tov tuxero.
Btw, sto UK pudding snmaivei gluko, gevikws kai aoristws, eivai episns
auto pou serbiretai meta to fagnto se eva geuma. Sweets eivai oi
karameles kai n le3n "dessert" eivai veologismos, eisagomevos apo tis
kakes 3eves glwsses. "Candy" eivai rnma pou snmaivei kavw ta frouta
(suvn0ws) glase.
Evw stov upoloipo kosmo poutigka leve autes tis kremes tupou av0rous
arabositou Giwtns, tis opoies ev UK tis leve blancmange (proferetai
mplamavz me to z paxu, giait exei faei to gluko, ektos av eisai
peivaleos laikou strwmatos, opote to profereis mlamavtz)
> Kati paromoio exoun ki edw, an kai to lene perigrafikotera (Xmas)
> fruitcake, kai mallon den to trwei kaneis to fylane gia tis epomenes
> xronies giati (lene oi plakatzhdes) den xalaei pote :D
H xrisotugevivatikn poutigka xreiazetai toulaxistoov treis mnves sitema,
kai oi kales eivai evos etous, duo klp. Exouv toso oivopveuma pou dev
xalave me tipota :-)))
A, vai, dev tnv periergaya:L ta sustatika tns
xrisoutgevivatiknspoutigkas (opws kai twv mn xristugevviatikwv) eivai:
3ugki, aleuri, zaxarn, mpaxarika, oivopveumatwdn, diafoora froui glase
kai stafidoeidn kai vomizw exie ki augo gia va desei. To bazouv se kati
sfiarikes formes (oi opoies tn snmerov nmera exouv apoktnsie kai pato,
evw oi paradosiakes eivai sa mpalla podosfairou) kai to brazouv merikes
wres, avaloga me to mege0os. Meta to bazouv va siteyei kaveva e3amnvo
kai priv to serbirouv to 3avazestaivouv, sto fourvo mikrokumatwv pevte
wres gia emglaou mege0ous 'n stnv katsarola tries meres av dev exeis
fourvo (OK, asteieuomai, alla 0elei poles wres brasimo gia va zesta0ei).
epeidn me toso brasimo mporei va exei e3atrmnstei mia apeiroelaxistn
posotnta ai0uliksn alkoolns, stn suvexeia tou bazouv ki allo poto kai to
avabouv, evw serbiretai me saltsa pou ftiaxvetai apo krema galaktos
emploutismevn me (you guessed it!) akoma perisostero oivopveumatwdes.
Kai va em ti moiazei
<http://www.urbanaddiction.com/archives/christmas-pudding.jpg>
Oso gia tn geusn, glukia me polu evtovo to oivopveuma :-)))
Eivia de stnv ufn kati meta3u sfixtns lapns kai dialumevou ywmiou, exei
xrwma mauro kai de v0umizei tipota, ektos isws apo to oivopveumatwdes.
Emeva m;aresei, alla 3ereis, mia fora to xrovo, oxi pio suxva, mnv
kaloma0oume.
> apo thn epoxh mou, den eimai akomh aiwnobios. Alla tooote htan liges
> kai diashmes, opote ta onomata htan gnwsta. Twra pou na kserw tis
> sygxrones koinwnikes leitourgous?
Swsta, twra eivi aki polles.
> Sth dikh mou epoxh den eixe arxisei akomh h antidendrikh ekstrateia,
> auta einai kamwmata ths ysterhs xountas - prwimhs metapoliteushs.
H aristern diaovnsn ftaie KAI gi'auto :-(((
> Giati, twra apo ti einai? Plastiko?
Nai. Kai alles ules :-))) Egw exw mpales pou mallov eivia xartives kai
kalummeves me pouooiula, exw kati mpalles me kar0eftakai, sav auta pou
eixav palai stis vtisotek, alla se mikrografia, exw kati afrole3 pou tis
evtusa movn mou me diakosmnseis, gevikws exw diafores mpalles alla dev
exw plastikes 'n gualives.
> eu8raustes. Kai mporouses na kopeis asxhma otan espagan.
Akribws! AKi ekeivo to metalliko pou empaive emsa gia va tis kremas
trupouse asxnma.
>
>> Eixame kai kati stolidia sav kladia devtrou me gialisteres mpalles
>> gia karpous dn0ev, ta opoia piavame stis kourtives me karfitses.
>
> Auto pou legane "Gky"?
Me tnv eurutern evvoia :-)))
> Emeis tetoia eixame gia tis kourtines.
Ki emeis stis kourtives ta kremagame. Fiavetia a0 eixav tipote odngies
xrnsews kai oles oi voikokures tis akolou0ousav. Mia xrovi apnrame ki
ekeivo to aspro sprei pou yekazes sxnmata sta apra0ura, alla meta tous
bgnke to ladi va to bgalouv kai dev to 3avakame.
> alpikes xionostibades htan, alla milaei o mhxanikos mesa mou. Tote htan
> toso, ma toso grafiko! (Pou na 'ksera ti mou' melle na pa8w me to meros
> pou dialeksa gia metaptyxiaka).
Xexexexe.
0umomouv edw pws stas A0nvas pave xiliometra va apolausouv to xiovi,
xiovia sto kampavario klp klp, alla molis xiovizei stnv A0nva kleivovtai
mesa kai xtupiouvtia va er0ei to kratos va tous 3exiovisei tnv eisodo.
> eixe ginei petra. Kai to "fanari" gia to faghto anti gia psygeio,
Ti eivia auto;
> Profanws den salagousan oi galoboskoi ntouzines galopoula mono kai mono
> gia tis kyries dieu8yntou E8nikhs kai genikotera th mikroskopikh
> A8hnaio8remmenh aristokratia.
Eg w0umamai amudra sto xwrio (proasteio twv Patrwv pleov) pou n giagia n
papadia (n xnra tou 0eiou tns giagias mou, pou ntav papas se xwrio
a0ewv, aristerwv kai avaxrikwv kai suvepws eixe mndevikn pelateia), eixe
galopoule smazi me ta kotopoula tns, ta opoia galopoula ekavav
glouglouglou. Eixe ki evav skulo pou tov elegav Mpekirn. Ap'o,ti exw
aktalabei, oxoi oi skuloi tns sugkekrimevns oikogeveias eixav auto to
ovma. Mpekirns o A', Mpekirns o B' klp klp. Dev exw idea pws ki etsi.
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Ko_Z_mas
KoZmas >>>>>----------->
Sophia <sop...@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
Sophia
> To maxlepi ki o kourkoumas ti le3eis einai;
Ousiastika gevous oudeterou.
Auto de rwtouses;
Btw, agglisti kourkoumas= turmeric, kai to xrnsimopoioiusav palia sot
Ellavta gia bafn vomizw ki oxi sto fagnto.
Oso gia to maxlepi, sporia tou futou prunus mahaleb. Giait to leve etsi
dev 3erw, rwta tous botavologous :-)))
> Apo poia glwssa proerxontai;
Apo tis geitovikes mas profavws.
Ko_Z_mas
Kozmas >>>>------------>
Periklhs
> Re su Periklh, giati de stolizeis to spiti sou?
Arketa pramata exei na mazeuoun skonh, den xreiazetai ki alla.
Bariemai. Allwste giati na to stolisw? Ti to idiaitero exei h periodos
gyrw apo to xeimerino hliostasio sth sygxronh epoxh, pou kseroume oti h
epistrofh tou hliou den eksartatai apo ksorkia kai teletes alla 8a
symbei etsi ki alliws? Alla bebaia den me peirazei pou alloi
giortazoun, oute me enoxlei na mou lene "Kala Xristougenna", kai
apantaw ki egw "epishs" dioti to anti8eto 8a htan ageneia. Allo an den
lew pote prwtos :-)
--- Sophia <sop...@sapience.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Kai to rnma "kardamwvw", fae paidi mou va kardamwseis, apo pou
> bgaivei;
Nomizw ap;o to mpaxariko dioti tou apodidontan dyanmwtikes,
8erapeutikes kai - sigoura - afrodisiakes idiothtes.
> H or0n apavtnsn eivai: giati n 25n Martiou peftei pavta mes astn
> Sarakostn, pou eivia vnsteia. [snip]
Auto einai h ekshghsh, alla oxi h apanthsh. Dioti emeis den nhsteuame
th Sarakosth, ektos apo Tetartes kai Paraskeues. Alla stis 25 Martiou
"trwne" mpakaliaro, ara trwgame mpakaliaro.
> Yparxei episns n Xristougevviatikn poutigka, pou tnv trwve ta
[snip]
> Eivia de stnv ufn kati meta3u sfixtns lapns kai dialumevou ywmiou,
Euxaristw gia tis ekshghseis... ahdiastiko mou moiazei.
> > Auto pou legane "Gky"?
> Ki emeis stis kourtives ta kremagame. Fiavetia a0 eixav tipote
> odngies xrnsews kai oles oi voikokures tis akolou0ousav.
Ma afou eixan paramanes apo pisw, ti ekane niaou niaou sta keramidia?
> > eixe ginei petra. Kai to "fanari" gia to faghto anti gia psygeio,
>
> Ti eivia auto;
Ena tetρagwno metalliko h ksylino kloubi me pleures apo psilo
dixtywto syrma kai pyramidoeidh stegh, emoiaze dhladh me megalo
kleftofanaro ki apo kei fantazomai to onoma, To kremousan apo to
tabani, opote den mporousan na pan pontikia kai h sita stis pleures
empodize tis muiges.
http://www.windmillstravel.com/photos/18857-max.jpg
> aktalabei, oxoi oi skuloi tns sugkekrimevns oikogeveias eixav auto to
> ovma. Mpekirns o A', Mpekirns o B' klp klp. Dev exw idea pws ki etsi.
Giati profanws htan toso aristokrates pou akomh kai oi skyloi tous htan
dynasteia san tous Loudobikous.
P.
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lida anestidou
Nai, kai pou na deis kai pws ta apaggeloun oi
> serbitores otan einai se special (to fai me to "au
jus, oxi oi serbitores).
a, prepei na er8w kammia bolta apo kei mou fainetai...
Otan lew stous i8ageneis oti den yparxei ellhniko
estiatorio sto Binghamton nomizoun oti koroideuw.
egw auto to elega kai sto Houston kai sto xwrio.
>
>
> se eidiko zoumi (to "spiedie sauce" pou lew)
ti exei mesa to spiedie sauce?
>
>
> Nai, alla pswmi me prosmikseis kai allwn aleuriwn (h
> kai trimmeno linarosporo) einai poly wraio.
egw de milhsa gia alla aleuria, milhsa gia jalapenos,
turia, elies, dendrolibano, kai alla sustatika ths
pitsas pou briskoun to dromo tous pros ta pswmia. Ti
einai linarosporos kai pws legetai sta agglika?
Einai toso eukolo na ftiakseis,
me th mhxanh tou pswmiou? gia zumwse to me to xeraki
sou (wste na mporeis na kaneis kai kammia diaforetikh
forma) na sou pw meta to tragoudi.
>
>
> Auto einai to kri8araki/orzo pou ftiaxnoume
> gioubetsi, kale!
ma den katalabainw ti ennoeis edw. Auto pou kanoume
gioubetsi (to legomeno orzo) einai pasta apo sitari h
einai o karpos tou futou, to legomeno barley?
O (ektos
> apo kollyba
ma ti les? ta koluba einai sitari sketo. (ax, na'xame
ligo kolubozoumi me tis stafidoules, ta amugdala, th
zaxaritsa....)
L.
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Periklhs
> jus, oxi oi serbitores).
>
> a, prepei na er8w kammia bolta apo kei mou fainetai...
Wspou na t' akouseis me t' autakia sou, as prospa8hsw na to
perigrapsw... to "jus" proferetai "zous" (Greeklish) kai to "Au"
proferetai eite "Oou" eite "O" alla tonismeno opote oi dyo lexeis
akougontai xwrista, san na htan as poume "Eau jus" h san kanenas
arxaioplhktos na elege ekstasiasmenos "Oh, Zeus!". Pantws pros timhn
tous den exw akousei akomh na legetai Oh Tzous. Bebaia den trww syxna
eksw...
> ti exei mesa to spiedie sauce?
One of the interesting features of spiedies is that there is tremendous
variety in the marinades and the meats used in the sandwich. The
sauces almost always include oil (usually olive oil is specified),
vinegar (various types) and garlic. After that, personal preferences
seem to rule but most of the herbs are traditional Italian-american
herbs - bay leaves, oregano, rosemary, basil, sage and parsley.
Iacovelli's original sauce included mint and almost all the recipes
using lamb still require mint but some recipes for other meats leave it
out. Most of the commercially bottled sauces include mint. The mint
is not there in small amounts just for a little bit of flavor; recipes
call for 6-8 sprigs or 3-4 tablespoons of mint.
Den einai mono to sauce, einai kai to poses wres marinaretai
(toulaxiston 24 alla kai parapanw), kai pws serbiretai meta.
> Ti einai linarosporos kai pws legetai sta agglika?
Einsi sporos linariou (trimmenos) kai agglika einai flaxseed (ground h
flaxseed meal). Ypoti8etai oti exei megalh analogia Omega-3 oksewn (gia
ta opoia opws ksereis exei piasei ysteria tous Amerikanous) alla (kai
edw) egw to bazw giati mou aresei h geush pou dinei sto pswmi, allwste
den bazw megalh posothta.
> me th mhxanh tou pswmiou? gia zumwse to me to xeraki
> sou (wste na mporeis na kaneis kai kammia diaforetikh
> forma) na sou pw meta to tragoudi.
Opws eixame syzhthsei sth lista prin apo kamia dekaria xronia :D h
pswmomhxanh einai men poly praktikh alla den ftiaxnei poly kalo pswmi.
Otan mou xalase auth pou eixa, pane xroooonia twra, phra kalo mikser me
gatzo, kai ekei ftiaxnw pswmi twra. Den diaferei sthn yfh apo zymwmeno
sto xeri, kai fysika kanw o,ti forma 8elw.
> ma den katalabainw ti ennoeis edw. Auto pou kanoume
> gioubetsi (to legomeno orzo) einai pasta apo sitari h
> einai o karpos tou futou, to legomeno barley?
Auto pou kanoume gioubetsi, to legomeno orzo, einai pasta, kai alliws
legetai kri8araki. To barley kai o karpos tou legontai kri8ari. Pou
einai to mperdema?
>
> ma ti les? ta koluba einai sitari sketo. (ax, na'xame
> ligo kolubozoumi me tis stafidoules, ta amugdala, th
> zaxaritsa....)
Ti ftaiw egw an sta kollyba pou ftiaxnane ekei bazan kai kri8ari? Autes
tis syntages den tis edwse o 8eos sto Mwysh gia na einai grammenes se
petra (an kai pio xrhsimes 8a htan apo auta pou tou edwse), opote ti to
periergo an yparxoun topikes parallages? Allwste kai stafides exoun,
kai rodia, kai mygdala, kai alla diafora, den einai sketo sitari. Kai
tote den ta agorazane pote, ta ftiaxnane, opote oses oi noikokyres
toses ki oi parallages.
iannis
> Opws eixame syzhthsei sth lista prin apo kamia dekaria xronia :D h
> pswmomhxanh einai men poly praktikh alla den ftiaxnei poly kalo pswmi.
> Otan mou xalase auth pou eixa, pane xroooonia twra, phra kalo mikser
> me
> gatzo, kai ekei ftiaxnw pswmi twra. Den diaferei sthn yfh apo zymwmeno
> sto xeri, kai fysika kanw o,ti forma 8elw.
Eviaferov giati ki egw telika kateln3a va mnv parw ywmomnxavn alla va
xrnsimopoiw to gatzo tou Kenwood. Exeis kammia idiaitern suvtagn/
avalogies/texvikn va sustnseis; Epixeirnsa va kavw kalampokoywmo alla
mou bgnke ligo 3ero kai tribotav polu eukola se yixoula. Bebaia
evta3ei to 3erw oti to kalampokoywmo eivai ligo etsi alla auto
parantav. Auto pou bgaivei polu wraia kai eukola eivai zumn gia pitsa.
Gia to livarosporo sumfwvw. Kala ta wmega-3 alla kuriws divei wraia
geusn.
Yiannis
iannis
> To maxlepi ki o kourkoumas ti le3eis einai; Apo poia glwssa
> proerxontai;
To maxlepi dev 3erw apo ti eivai alla eivai kati sporakia pou ta
zntouse n suvtagn gia tsoureki opote agorasa eva sakoulaki apo Ellada.
Pragmati divei arwma.
To curcuma eivai mia kitrivn xrwstikn apo tnv Ivdia. Eivai trimevn
riza apo kapoio futo tns oikogeveias tou gingembre kai exei ligo
pikavtikn geusn. Eivai auto pou divei to xrwma sto karu kai polu
apatewves to poulave dn0ev gia zafora alla dev exei to arwma tns.
Yiannis
iannis
> BTW, Giannh, shmera eixan prwtoselido (malista, en
> mesw eklogwn) oi NYT to xali ths EOK pou to 50% twn
> psariwn pou 8refoun ta stomaxia twn kaloma8hmenwn
> eurwpaiwn psareuontai paranoma, xwris kammia prosoxh
> stis quotas (pws legetai quota ellhnika), apo xwres
> tritokosmikes fusika...mias kai ta eurwpaika psaria
> exoun e3afanistei pro pollou.
Kai dustuxws dev eivai movo oi Eurwpaioi, eivai kai oi Rwsoi kai oi
Giapwvezoi. Eidika me tis trates kai ta suromeva dixtya givetai fobern
katastrofn ki av dev prose3oume se 2-3 dekaeties de 0a uparxei yari
stov wkeavo. Egw prospa0w oso givetai va prosexw va pairvw n apo bio
ix0uotrofeia eite yaremeva apo mikres trates/paragadi n telos pavtwv
mn katastrofikn me0odo ki oxi apo tnv alln akrn tou kosmou. (oso
bebaia mporeis va empisteuteis auta pou sou leve giati dev nmouv pavw
sto skafos va krataw egw to kalami, prepei va pisteyw tov ix0uopwln).
Alla etsi ki alliws auta pou ywvizouv oi katavalwtes stov yara eivai
meioynfia se sxesn me tis terasties posotntes mpakaliaroeidwv kai
abusaiwv yariwv pou kobovtai kai katayuxovtai pavw sta plwta
ergostasia gia va givouv filetakia gia fishburger n kroketes se sxnma
deivosaurou. (Pou mou leve govveis oti ta paidia tous dev trwve yari
kai stnv koubevta diapistwvw oti dev exouv dei pote yari alla movo
yarokroketes, oxi ta paidia alla oute kav oi govveis).
> mexri pou diabasa to email ths Sofias pou apokalese to
> kri8ari barley, nomiza oti to kri8ari einai allo sxhma
> pastas kamwmenhs apo sitari. 8a mou peis, den eixa
To legomevo "kri0araki" eivai zumariko apo sitaleuro se sxnma
kri0ariou :-)
Yiannis
iannis
>>> Eixame kai kati stolidia sav kladia devtrou me gialisteres mpalles
>>> gia karpous dn0ev, ta opoia piavame stis kourtives me karfitses.
>> Auto pou legane "Gky"?
>
> Me tnv eurutern evvoia :-)))
Ou parakalw. To 0amvo me ta mutera fullarakia kai tis kokkives
mpalitses gia karpous.
To gku eivai to parasito twv devtrwv pou kavei mpales sav fwlies ki
exei mikrous asprous karpous. Eivai polu pio spavio kai dev eimai kav
sigouros av epitrepetai n pwlnsn tou. Htav to iero futo pou ekobav oi
druides twv galatwv (blepe Pavorami3)
Yiannis
Sophia
> Nomizw ap;o to mpaxariko dioti tou apodidontan dyanmwtikes,
> 8erapeutikes kai - sigoura - afrodisiakes idiothtes.
Kapote mia Ivdn me eixe prn3ei me eva duvamwtiko rofnma pou perieixe
kardamo, ourkouma kai kati alla pou dev t a0umamia kai to dialueis se
gala kai to piveis (eivia sav aloifn). De mou poluarese n geusn, to gala
me peirazei, opote dev 3erw av bon0aei.
> Auto einai h ekshghsh, alla oxi h apanthsh. Dioti emeis den nhsteuame
> th Sarakosth, ektos apo Tetartes kai Paraskeues. Alla stis 25 Martiou
> "trwne" mpakaliaro, ara trwgame mpakaliaro.
Oute emeis vnsteuame tn Sarakostn, alla 0a xavame tn movadikn eukairia
va fame bakalao tngavnto, pou otav nmouv amikrn ntav to mov yari pou
etrwga ki auto me duskolia'
> Euxaristw gia tis ekshghseis... ahdiastiko mou moiazei.
Mpa, exie toso polu oivopveuma pou dev katalabaiveis tipota :-)))
Fetos to M&S eixe bgalei "panetonne Xmas pudding", ti sto kalo ntav auto
dev 3erw, mporei sot migma va eixav peta3ei to pavetove pou tous
periseye apo persi.
Gevika apvtws, ta agglika gluka akougovtai (isws) andiastika, alla dev
eivai. To sumemr pudding p.x. pairveis tnv poutigkiera (dev 3erw pws
legetai, avaferomai stn forma tns poutigkas) kai tn vtuveis gurw gurw me
fetes ywmi, meta ot gemizeis auto olo me frouta tou dasous vomizw
misobrasmeva me zaxarn kai to patikwveis kai to bazei sto yugeio. Ota
vot bgazeis apo tn forma eivai to ywmi tigka sta zoumia kai eivai
kokkivo ki isws akougetai andia, alla dev eivia kai toso.
<http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2370/images/2370_MEDIUM.jpg>
> Ma afou eixan paramanes apo pisw, ti ekane niaou niaou sta keramidia?
OK. Emeis 0uammai oti bazame karfitses. Btw, gia va apavtnsw kai stov
Giavvn, to gku pou avaferei,agglisti mistletoe, fusika kai kukloforei
edw kjaovika sta av0opwleia, to kremave stis portes ta Xristougevva gia
dikaiologia va to ri3ouv sto matsa moutsa me opoiov pervaei tnv porta
(Giavvn, se epriptwsn pou se mperdeya, upoti0etai oti filiesai katw apo
to kladi auto, gia poio logo dev 3erW).
> Giati profanws htan toso aristokrates pou akomh kai oi skyloi tous htan
> dynasteia san tous Loudobikous.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))
Pi0avov. KAi oxi kai polu astoxo. H sugkekrimevn oikogeveia eixe
parakladia se ola ta xwria tns eprioxns. Etsi upnrxav oi, as tous poume
Kermmudopoulous, twv Mpozaitikwv, oi Kremmudopouloi twv Bervadeikwv, oi
Kremmudopouloi tou Kastritsiou. Kai oloi fusika 3aderfia. Opws eivai oi
Rotsilvt, kapws etsi.
iannis
> OK. Emeis 0uammai oti bazame karfitses. Btw, gia va apavtnsw kai
> stov Giavvn, to gku pou avaferei,agglisti mistletoe, fusika kai
> kukloforei edw kjaovika sta av0opwleia, to kremave stis portes ta
> Xristougevva gia dikaiologia va to ri3ouv sto matsa moutsa me opoiov
> pervaei tnv porta (Giavvn, se epriptwsn pou se mperdeya, upoti0etai
> oti filiesai katw apo to kladi auto, gia poio logo dev 3erW).
Nai tnv 3erw tnv paradosn, katagetai apo tous Galates pou oi druides
ekobav me xruso maxairi to gui kai to moirazav se olous sa sumbolo
avagevvnsns tns fusns otav giortazav to xeimerivo nliostasio. Dev 3erw
pws eixa tnv evtupwsn oti dev pwleitai, eidika malista pou 0umamai
twra oti mia xrovia eixa brei sto av0opwleio tns geitovias kai eixa
parei gia to spiti. Alla eivai pio duskolo va to breis apo to houx,
isws giati ta aspra tou sporakia peftouv polu eukola kai kollave
pavtou. Exei kai farmakeutikes idiotntes alla de 0umamai akribws ti
kai bariemai va ya3w. Isws va eivai kai to3iko.
Yiannis
Sophia
>> Auto einai to kri8araki/orzo pou ftiaxnoume
>> gioubetsi, kale!
Loipov pros apofugn sugxnsews:
barley eivia to kri0ari.
To kri0araki to leve orzo.
Oi Aggloi dev exouv zumarika stnv paradosiakn tous kouziva.
Epomevws oi aggloi dev uparxie epriptwsn va exouv kri0araki :-)
Bazouv omws stis soupes kri0ari apofloiwmevo (pearl barley).
Auta!
Sophia
> to spiti. Alla eivai pio duskolo va to breis apo to houx, isws giati ta
> aspra tou sporakia peftouv polu eukola kai kollave pavtou. Exei kai
> farmakeutikes idiotntes alla de 0umamai akribws ti kai bariemai va ya3w.
> Isws va eivai kai to3iko.
Eivai to3iko.
Mou eixav epi mai istoria tromou pou kpoios eixe proslabei duo
ma0nteuomevous av0opwles va ftia3ouv stefavia apo auto, gia treis ki
e3nvta fusika, oi opoioi meta apo ta tsimpnmata apo ta agka0ia kai ola
ta sxetika gia mai bdomada eixav ere0istei sta xeria kai to proswpo l klp.
iannis
> kai poia xortosoupa? me ti ulika? giati se xortosoupa
> me bash to praso mh mou peis, Giannh, oti bazeis
> fennel...h me karoto kai patates...
Oxi. Alla me navets (goules/raibes) n me koloku0akia paei. Prose3e,
oxi ta fulla n oi goules, ta sporakia ta opoia moiazouv ligo me
glukaviso stnv oyn (alla oxi sto arwma).
> edw pantws to mara9o to poulane ws kati terastious
> bolbous wraious wraious asprous pou exoune poly wraia
> klwnaria me fula pou einai san tou ani8ou tis belones.
> ti to kanei kaneis OLO auto to pragma pote mou den
> katalaba.
Edw to kavouv diafora apo salates mexri gratin alla emeva mou arsei se
tarta me yari: solwmo n pestrofa, freska n kapvista (av de bariesai to
3ekokkalisma kai skoumpri paei polu wraia). To kobw se kommatakia gurw
stov eva povto, to 3ebrazw ligo gia va fugei to evtovo arwma kai to
bazw gemisn tartas me 3eftidia yariou mesa se xtupnmevo augo me krema
galaktos n me giaourti merikes fores kai me lign gorgonzola. Bgaivei
polu wraia.
Yparxei akomn kai mia suvtagn legomevn fenouil à la grecque, me to
fenouil brasmevo mesa se vero me aspro 3udi, lemovi kai murwdika tupou
dafvn, mpaxari, devdrolibavo. To serbirouv sav krua salata kai eivai
teleiws apaisio. 0a'0ela va'3era poios to epivonse kai to plasarise
gia ellnviko. Dev trwgetai me tipote.
Yiannis
Sophia
>>> Stis xortoopites sigoura, opws kai sto frikase ki
>> allou.
>>
>
> poies xortopittes? me glustrida, me tsouknida me ti?
Me ap'ola bebaiws. Pou 0es va 3erw ti mazeuouv; Exw apie pote va mazeyw
xorta; Afnva tous emgalsu va asxolouvtai me auta, egw kleivomouv sto
pix, sto pisw ka0isma, 3apla kai diabaza kava agglofwvo bibio, etsi wste
va ma0aivw pws legetai stnv agglikn o kourkoumas gia va avarwtietai o
Kozmas pou to 3erw :-))))))))))
Kai meta apolambava to edesma, pita em ola auta ta avamikra agria xorta
tou bouvou kai tou kampou.
> poio frikase? me marouli?
Frikase me marouli dev 3erw, ki auto me ta diafora xortarika tou boubou
kai tou kampou to vomiza.
> edw pantws to mara9o to poulane ws kati terastious
> bolbous wraious wraious asprous pou exoune poly wraia
> klwnaria me fula pou einai san tou ani8ou tis belones.
> ti to kanei kaneis OLO auto to pragma pote mou den
> katalaba.
Trimevo salata. Ama sou aresei n gesn dnladn. Kai n delia smith exei mai
fobern suvtagn pou gemizeis kokkives piperies me auto, tnv exw ftia3ie
kai egluyav kai to tayi oi kalesmevoi. Oriste, tnv exie kai online kai
ovtws n fwto eivai akribns.
<http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/roasted-red-peppers-stuffed-with-fennel,795,RC.html>
> Kai ena allo prwtoselido sth section tou faghtou eixe
> reportaz gia ton Jamie Oliver pou, kai mprabo tou,
> anaparhgage zwntana se kapoio thleoptiko show sto UK
> olh th diadikasia ths swsths (i.e., humane) sfaghs
> mias kotas KAI anaparhgage oles tis apan8rwpes
> sun8hkes krathshs twn kotwn sth biomhxania poulerikwn
> kai augwn.
To sugkekrimevo dev to eida, eida to xtesivo omws, pou ntav sto stul twv
rnalii, alla me didaktikous skopous ki avarwtiomouva kat aposo autes oi
me0odoi twv rnalitn kai tov mock-documentary bon0ave s'auto pou 0elei va
dei3ei. Apo tnv alln skeftnka oti apeu0uvetai se nli0ious pou exouv
suvn0isei va blepouv movo tetoia kai teliak eipa mprabo tou pou
prospa0ei maps kai autov tov akousei kavevas xristiavos (mwame0avos,
a0eos klp) 0eatns, giati tous allous dev tous akouve.
Ti evovw kolpakia twv rnalitn klp; Eixav kamia eikosaria atoma sto koivo
pou tous zntnsav va kratnsouv food diar gia mai bdomada kai tous ekavav
kai e3etaseis. KAi emta o Tzenmns elege p.x. stn mia tupissa oti
aktavalwses X ladi tn bdomada pou eprase, dnland se eva xrovo toso kai
mapivei emsa eva bareli se rode4s kai tn bazouv se mia mpaviera tnv
tupissa kai tn louzouv me to ladi kai tis elege kati aovnsies tous stul
"eide sti andiastikopou eivai olo auto to ladi; Eiddes ti andies bazeis
mes asou" klp klp. Gia staosu re Tzeimi, dev kavei ladoloutro n guvaika
ka0e mera, bazie sto fai tns. Ama baleis olo to ladi pou katavalwvei o
ka0e ellnvas etnsiws se eva doxeio 0a peis "pw, pw, ladi!". Omoiws me to
ywmi klp klp
Eixe kai ta kala tou omws to programma. Stnv arxn eixav evav kalesmevo
sto stouvtio o opoios eftia3e loukavika. Tou emporiou, xrnsimopoiwvtas
ta ulika pou bazouv sta ergostasia. Htav mia andia kai misn. Kai oso ta
eftiaxve e3ngouse o Oliber ti bazouv kai giati to bazouv, fusika ola
ntav avagkaia gi va apoktnsei ufn kai geusn to kreas pou dev 0a to
taizes oute sta katoikidia pou miseis. Auto vai, ntav polu xrnsimo.
Se mai fans o Oliber ftiaxvei saltsa gia makarovia se 30sec, av eisia
Agglos kaln n suvtagn, ama 3ereis apo saltsa gi amakarovia, mallov mapa.
Ti kavei; bazei sot tngavi eva koutalkai ladi, skrdo yilokomevo kai met
apoa ligo rixvei kai basiliko yilokomevo kai amesws emta to basiliko
(giati o basilikos mpaivei teleutaios upoti0etai) adeiazei sto tngavi
mia kovserba vtomata yilokommevn, alati, piperi kai etoimo. E... sorry,
0elei kai kava tetartaki brasimo gia va eivia etoimo. Alla bebaiws ota
voi i0ageveis trwve makarovia kovserba (mpliax!) autn n saltsa eivai
megaln proodos.
Se gevikes gramems, egw tov briskw ekveuristiko, eivia omws euxaristo to
oti exei mallov ka0isei o a0vrwpos ki exei skeftei oti tov evoxlouv X
pragmata kai ekmetalleuetai tn dnmosiotnta tou gia va ta dior0wsei oso
mporei.
Ap tnv alln autn tnv peirodo exoume Tzeimi Oliber se pevtakosia
diaforetika programamta. Mnpws to parakavei;
A, oso gia ot kotopoulo pou esfa3e epi sknvns, porpersi eixe sfa3ei eva
arvi. Kai priv apo kati xrovia t apiadi aotu Gkorvtov Ramseu eixav pei
geia stn galopoula pou megalwvav gia ta xristougevva kai emt ao apteras
tous pnge kai tnv esfa3e. emeva de mou faivetai epriergo,a lal oi
i0ageveis eivia polu mnmouaptou me tetoia 0emata. Sfazouem ta zwa gia va
ta fame; Pote!
> pwpwp kai den trwgetai, re gamwto, pswmi me koliantro,
Emeva mou arese otav nmouva mikrn, alal spavia eixe stnv ekklnsia va
moirazouv.
>>> Millet kexri
>
> einai allo dhmhtriako auto, omws, de bgainei apo to
> stari?
Eivia allo.
> pastas kamwmenhs apo sitari. 8a mou peis, den eixa
> skeftei oti sthn katoxh kanane kafe apo kri8ari? swsto
> ki'auto, alla den nomizw na exw akousei pote mou
> kaliergeies kri8ariou.
Opws kai to kexri, to trifulli klp kalliergouvtai gia zwotrofes.
Periklhs
koimaste ki olas twra, opote den 8a graftei tipote allo ws aurio.
KRI8ARI
Lhda-Sofia
> > ki'auto, alla den nomizw na exw akousei pote mou
> > kaliergeies kri8ariou.
> Opws kai to kexri, to trifulli klp kalliergouvtai gia zwotrofes.
Re koritsia 8a gkariksw. Mpyra den pinete? apo ti th ftiaxnoune
nomizete? Malted barley kai hops gia thn pikrada. Ta zwa 8a koitaksoume
h emas?
> Giannhs: To legomevo "kri0araki" eivai zumariko apo sitaleuro se
sxnma
kri0ariou :-)
To sxhma einai syzhthsimo... to kri8araki pio poly mou 8ymizei
ypertrofiko long grain rice sto sxhma para barley pou einai pio
kontopaxoulo.
Oriste orzo
http://z.about.com/d/greekfood/1/0/J/5/kritharakia_499.jpg
Oriste barley
http://www.wheatmontana.com/store/images/Pearled-Barley.jpg
(an kai mazi me to paltoudaki tou einai pio makroulo)
http://orugallu.net/vinDu/images/barley/barleyg.jpg
kai oriste long grain rice
http://shril.net/products/images/long_grain_rice.jpg
pantws den amfiballw oti to onoma bghke logw sxhmatos :-)
MARA8OS kai alla myrwdika
> Giannhs: Yparxei akomn kai mia suvtagn legomevn fenouil à la grecque,
me to
Pragma pou mou 8ymizei oti yparxei ki ena sporaki sta mpaxarika pou
legetai fenugreek kai panta pisteua logw onomatos oti einai
mara8osporos, alla telika einai asxeto. Poly 8a h8ela na hksera giati
mas to kollhsan emas, afou ap' o,ti diabazw s' olh th Mesh Anatolh
yparxei alla oxi se mas, mexri Tourkia ftanei pou to bazoun se
pastourma. Trigwnella h mosxositaro sta ellhnika, leei. Ti diaolo, se
allh xwra megalwsa kai den ta hksera auta?
> To curcuma eivai mia kitrivn xrwstikn apo tnv Ivdia.
To turmeric dhladh (kai h Sofia nomizw to egrapse auto kapou, exw
mperdeutei me tosa mazemena). Den mou polyaresei h geush tou, opote den
to xrhsimopoiw as exw diabasei oti exei ena karo wfelimes idiothtes (se
liga xronia 8a to bgaloun karkinogono, etsi trampala pane auta mou
fainetai). Edw oi 8rasytatoi trofoapatewnes bazoun turmeric gia xrwma,
pros8etoun kai mia klwstitsa kroko se poios kserei posous tonous ryzi
kai meta grafoun me phxiaia grammata sto kouti "Made with real
saffron!!!" Alla den exw dei pote kanenan allon ektos apo mena na
pseirizei ta systatika stous diadromous twn soupermarket. Oxi oti 8a
epairna pilafi se kouti, poios o logos? alla mou ekane entypwsh pou
elegan oti eixe saffron kai to koitaksa.
Bre, to maxlepi pou fantazomouna einai kati poly ma poly ekswtiko
telika einai aplws to mesa meros tou koukoutsiou enos eidous kerasiou h
byssinou, kai einai i8agenes sth Mesogeio
"made from the stones of a small, black cherry tree that grows wild in
the Mediterranean region across to Turkey."
Ti apogohteush! M' auto to onoma perimena tipote ekswtikes kallones na
to mazeuoun se tropikes zougkles...
PSWMI
> Giannhs: Eviaferov giati ki egw telika kateln3a va mnv parw
ywmomnxavn alla va
xrnsimopoiw to gatzo tou Kenwood. Exeis kammia idiaitern suvtagn/
avalogies/texvikn va sustnseis;
Tipote to idiaitero. To exw aplopoihsei arketa, as poume to afhnw n'
anebei mia fora mono, den to rixnw meta apo mia wra n' arxisei deutero
anebasma. Kai bazw instant yeast, alla bazw ligotero ap' oso lene oi
syntages opote pairnei polles wres n' anebei. Oso perissoteres toso
kalytera, arkei na mhn ksera8ei h krousta (auto pou kanw einai to bazw
sto (sbhsto) fourno me ena tapsaki nero sto patwma wste na menei ygrh h
atmosfaira kai to afhnw na anebei ekei. E, bebaia, oso perissoteres
prosmikseis bazeis toso pio dyskola anebainei kai tribetai otan to
kobeis, (kyriws me to kri8ari) alla oxi poly opws auto pou les me to
kalampokaleuro.
Ekei pou mou symbainoun perierga pramata einai sto prozymenio pswmi.
Edw kai dyo peripou xronia poios kserei ti mikrobio anakateuthke me ta
ypoloipa, ki otan to zymwnw pollh wra akomh kai poly sklhrh na
ksekinhsei h zymh sto telos katalhgei neroulh sxedon san gia
loukoumades kai kollaei poly. Merikes fores kai sto anebasma
nerouliazei kapws kai mporei na ksexeilisei apo to formaki anti na
kanei enan wraio troullo. Alla h geush tou den exei xalasei opote den
me peirazei, aplws den to zymwnw toso pollh wra. Pou na gtiaxnw twra
kainourio prozymi, kai poios kserei an 8a bgei kalo
XRISTOUGENNIATIKH DIAKOSMHSH
>>egw: Auto pou legane "Gky"?
>
> Giannhs: Ou parakalw. To 0amvo me ta mutera fullarakia kai tis
kokkives mpalitses gia karpous.
Den prosekses th diatypwsh mou: Auto pou LEGANE kai to Gky se
eisagwgika. Dioti kserw oti auto einai ou kai ouxi gky alla oi pio
polloi sthn Ellada otan lene gky ennooun auto. Phgaine sto google
images, grapse gky h gki sta ellhnika kai 8a deis pantou kokkines
mpallitses.
Autaaaa.
Ko_Z_mas
Pw pw parallhles koubentes pou ginontai! Etsi tis bazw 8ematika, eseis
koimaste ki olas twra, opote den 8a graftei tipote allo ws aurio.
KRI8ARI
Re koritsia 8a gkariksw. Mpyra den pinete? apo ti th ftiaxnoune
nomizete? Malted barley kai hops gia thn pikrada. Ta zwa 8a koitaksoume
h emas?
Exete arxisei kai gernate mou fainetai, olo suntages kai murwdika. Egw akolou0w thn idia ugieinh diatrofikh suntagh edw kai polla xronia kai de ponaei tipota akoma. Mhxanh ...... pipa kwlo...... Dialeimataki, tsigaro, kanena burger/souvlaki oti na 'nai... kai 3ana ap'thn arxh mexri na 3anapeinasw! :)
Ama h0ela kalo fai 0a briska kammia mageirisa!
Kozmas >>>>>>---------------->
Φ
note' to exw 3exacei, alla' ta nepi gku kai ou kai filiwv mas
ta eixe ma8ei h dackala cto Dhmotiko, mazi me thv poka
kai tov apgaleio me ta onoia gve8ouv kai ufaivouv oi guvaikes
to malli` tote ma8aivame wpaia napadociaka npagmata cthv
natpidogvwcia, nou leei kai h Sofia.
Leei twpa h Sofia:
> KAi emta o Tzenmns elege p.x. stn mia tupissa oti
> aktavalwses X ladi tn bdomada pou eprase, dnland se eva xrovo toso kai
> mapivei emsa eva bareli se rode4s kai tn bazouv se mia mpaviera tnv
> tupissa kai tn louzouv me to ladi kai tis elege kati aovnsies tous stul
> "eide sti andiastikopou eivai olo auto to ladi; Eiddes ti andies bazeis
> mes asou" klp klp. Gia staosu re Tzeimi, dev kavei ladoloutro n guvaika
> ka0e mera, bazie sto fai tns.
Ki omws, ki omws, ecu mev eicai avtidpactiko ov
kai dev nei8ecai, alla' auth eivai klaccikh yuxologikh me8odos
gia va ane3apth8ei kanoios ano tis amaptwles cuvh8eies
kai tous neipacmous ths ulhs. 0umamai xwpi'a ackhtwv
oi onoioi nepigpafouv me lentomepeies nw's o av8pwnos
ths capkas dev eivai napa eva depmativo acki, gemato
cnlhvavtepa, aima, nuov, xolh kai ck...a.
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Sophia
> note' to exw 3exacei, alla' ta nepi gku kai ou kai filiwv mas
> ta eixe ma8ei h dackala cto Dhmotiko,
????
> Ki omws, ki omws, ecu mev eicai avtidpactiko ov
> kai dev nei8ecai, alla' auth eivai klaccikh yuxologikh me8odos
> gia va ane3apth8ei kanoios ano tis amaptwles cuvh8eies
> kai tous neipacmous ths ulhs.
Ti le re Feidia;
Av upo0esouem oti trww mia mapvava ka0e mera, ama mou dei3eis 365
mpavaves mazemeves 0a pw "dev 3avatrww mpavaves";
Φ
> Ti le re Feidia;
> Av upo0esouem oti trww mia mapvava ka0e mera, ama mou dei3eis 365
> mpavaves mazemeves 0a pw "dev 3avatrww mpavaves";
Fucika, dev 8a cou ep8ei va 3epaceis ano thv nollh mnavavila;
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Sophia
> Re koritsia 8a gkariksw. Mpyra den pinete? apo ti th ftiaxnoune
Egw oxi, alla vomiza oti tn ftiaxouv ap sitnra diafora kai lukisko kai
magia tns mpuras (pou dev 3erw av diaferei apo tis alles).
> nomizete? Malted barley kai hops gia thn pikrada. Ta zwa 8a koitaksoume
> h emas?
Kai ta duo;
> pastourma. Trigwnella h mosxositaro sta ellhnika, leei. Ti diaolo, se
> allh xwra megalwsa kai den ta hksera auta?
Proavws de megalwses stn xwra pou perigrafouv oi vostalgoi ar0rografoi.
Esu emgalwses stnv eLlada opou e0ivko poto ntav tou ouiski kai stis
"kales" de3iwseis serbirovtav xabiari kai astakos kai sampavia. Asxeto
av to 99% tou kosmou dev eixe paei pote se de3iwsn, auta akougav oti
etrwgav oi alloi. Megalwses stnv Ellada tou Tselemevte, tou soufle pou
dev eivia soufle, tou mpakaliarou skordalia, tou av0ous arabositou
Giwtns, twv pti mper Papadopoulou, tns Amugdalou Iov, tou zampovakiou
Zbav (pou dev 3erw av to etrwge kavevas, pavtwsn diafnmizotav polu). .
Kamia sxesn me tnv Ellada tou fivokiou, tns rokaparmezavas, tou
mosxositarou, tns astakomakarovadas, tns liastns vtomatas, tou fagopurou
(ovoma ki auto!), tns paradosiakns kouzivas pou dev 3erw tivos paradosn
ntav.
> fainetai). Edw oi 8rasytatoi trofoapatewnes bazoun turmeric gia xrwma,
> pros8etoun kai mia klwstitsa kroko se poios kserei posous tonous ryzi
> kai meta grafoun me phxiaia grammata sto kouti "Made with real
> saffron!!!"
e, eivia made WITH real saffron, dev leei exclusively with saffron :-)))
> Alla den exw dei pote kanenan allon ektos apo mena na
> pseirizei ta systatika stous diadromous twn soupermarket.
Egw ta diabazw ola, pavtws. Ki opws eipe ki Oliber proxtes "if it reads
like a chemistry lesosn, don't buy it".
Mou elege palia o sugkatoikos ek Tsexias oti ta kommatakai fraoula (real
strwberry) sto pagwto, eivia karoto brasmevo kai retousarismevo giait
leei n fraoula dev avtexei tnv epe3ergasia. Omws dev to exw die pote sta
sustatika. Les;
> Ti apogohteush! M' auto to onoma perimena tipote ekswtikes kallones na
> to mazeuoun se tropikes zougkles...
Tstststs
Gia to ywmi: paides, deka lepta zumwma 0elei me to xeri, giati deka
lepta pairvie va diaspapstei to aleuri. Dev eivi apolu. Me to xeraki mas
epomevws, kai va oveireuomaste tautoxrova oti barame kavevav ex0ro mas,
va mas fugouv ta veura.
Ilias Kast
Sophia <sop...@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
Ö wrote:
> note' to exw 3exacei, alla' ta nepi gku kai ou kai filiwv mas
> ta eixe ma8ei h dackala cto Dhmotiko,
????
Nai, kai meva.
[Ta gky kai ta oy, dld)
> Ki omws, ki omws, ecu mev eicai avtidpactiko ov
> kai dev nei8ecai, alla' auth eivai klaccikh yuxologikh me8odos
> gia va ane3apth8ei kanoios ano tis amaptwles cuvh8eies
> kai tous neipacmous ths ulhs.
Ti le re Feidia;
Av upo0esouem oti trww mia mapvava ka0e mera, ama mou dei3eis 365
mpavaves mazemeves 0a pw "dev 3avatrww mpavaves";
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Periklhs wrote:
> Ti apogohteush! M' auto to onoma perimena tipote ekswtikes kallones na
> to mazeuoun se tropikes zougkles...
Tstststs
Gia to ywmi: paides, deka lepta zumwma 0elei me to xeri, giati deka
lepta pairvie va diaspapstei to aleuri. Dev eivi apolu. Me to xeraki mas
epomevws, kai va oveireuomaste tautoxrova oti barame kavevav ex0ro mas,
va mas fugouv ta veura.
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iannis
> MARA8OS kai alla myrwdika
>
> Pragma pou mou 8ymizei oti yparxei ki ena sporaki sta mpaxarika pou
> legetai fenugreek kai panta pisteua logw onomatos oti einai
> mara8osporos, alla telika einai asxeto. Poly 8a h8ela na hksera giati
> mas to kollhsan emas, afou ap' o,ti diabazw s' olh th Mesh Anatolh
> yparxei alla oxi se mas, mexri Tourkia ftanei pou to bazoun se
> pastourma. Trigwnella h mosxositaro sta ellhnika, leei. Ti diaolo, se
> allh xwra megalwsa kai den ta hksera auta?
Dev to n3era auto to fenugrec. Mia biastikn matia stn wikipedia mou
deixvei oti eivai fasoloeides pou leei to kalliergousav stnv
arxaiotnta gia zwotrofn (xlwro) kai apo ekei pnre to ovoma foenum-
graecum: ellnviko savo. Brnka fwtografia ta sporia:
http://www.aromatiques.com/catalogueepices/imagesepices/fenugrec.jpg
kai de mou leve tipote. Dev ta exw dei pote.
Kammia sxesn bebaia me to mara0osporo:
http://www.creapharma.fr/phyto-pics/fenouil_def1.gif
pou tov avaferei kai o Dioskouridns gia iatrikn xrnsn kai mporw va sas
pw apo proswpikn empeiria oti ntav o,ti pio apotelesmatiko mas
sustnsav kata twv kolikwv twv mwrwv. Pivei n 0nlazousa mntera to
afeynma apo ta sporia kai to mwro dev exei kolikous. Mporw va sas pw
oti douleye.
Otav egrafa stn Lnda oti se xortosoupa me raibes kai koloku0akia bazw
liga mara0osporakia gia tetoia milaw (otav leme liga evvoume liga: 3-4
stnv katsarola, exouv duvato arwma).
Le 18 janv. 08 à 16:28, Sophia a écrit :
> Proavws de megalwses stn xwra pou perigrafouv oi vostalgoi
> ar0rografoi. Esu emgalwses stnv eLlada opou e0ivko poto ntav tou
> ouiski kai stis "kales" de3iwseis serbirovtav xabiari kai astakos
> kai sampavia. Asxeto av to 99% tou kosmou dev eixe paei pote se
> de3iwsn, auta akougav oti etrwgav oi alloi. Megalwses stnv Ellada
> tou Tselemevte, tou soufle pou dev eivia soufle, tou mpakaliarou
> skordalia, tou av0ous arabositou Giwtns, twv pti mper Papadopoulou,
> tns Amugdalou Iov, tou zampovakiou Zbav (pou dev 3erw av to etrwge
> kavevas, pavtwsn diafnmizotav polu). .
Parakalw mn 3exvas tis miravtes. Makrav ta agapnmeva mou mpiskota olwv
twv epoxwv. Pou otav nmouv mikros n Ebga tns geitovias ta poulouse
xuma apo kati megala siderevia koutia.
Zbav! Nai, pou to 0umn0nkes; Spaviws mev alla etrwga. Mou 0umises kai
tn mourtadella Nikas (pou dev etrwga).
Yiannis
Sophia
>> Ti le re Feidia;
>> Av upo0esouem oti trww mia mapvava ka0e mera, ama mou dei3eis 365
>> mpavaves mazemeves 0a pw "dev 3avatrww mpavaves";
>
> Fucika, dev 8a cou ep8ei va 3epaceis ano thv nollh mnavavila;
Toses mapvaves apvw aktw exei eva emgalo soupermarket sta rafia tuo
Sabbato prwi.
Blepeis pou twra dev akougetai toso asxnmo;
Ilias Kast
Oyte tnv pnlivn tsavaka sfixto kremoeides 3yvo giaoyrti
H pswmi poy bgazei o foyrvarns ekeivn tn stigmn me to 3ylivo ftyari apo to foyrvo. Dipla apo tapsia vtomates gemistes, psnto me kri8araki, mpriami, imam mpa.i.lvti kai moysaka.
Kai kotopoylo me mpamies
Sophia
> Dev to n3era auto to fenugrec.
Ki egw edw to exw akousei :-)))
> Parakalw mn 3exvas tis miravtes.
Ebala aut apou 0ewrw kaka snmeia, oxi ta kala :-)))
> Zbav! Nai, pou to 0umn0nkes; Spaviws mev alla etrwga. Mou 0umises kai tn
> mourtadella Nikas (pou dev etrwga).
Dev exw dokimasie pote mou kovserba kreas. Malista stnv ooikogeveia to
0ewrousame to akrov awtov tns koivwvikns kai n0ikns kataptwsns :-)))
elias elias
Spyros Daskaleas
stelneis mhnymata edw mesa, noiw8w pws pleon mporw na rwthsw
ma ti grafeis epiteloys?
SCD
elias elias wrote:
> mnia na xa mnia kala 8a tan....
>
>
>
> o3o.
>
> Elias.
>
>
>
> Στις 19/1/2008, *Sophia* <sop...@sapience.freeserve.co.uk
> <mailto:sop...@sapience.freeserve.co.uk>> έγραψε:
Constantine Thomas
From: "Spyros Daskaleas" <spy...@DASKALEAS.COM>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
To: <HEL...@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: kapote eixame asxolh8ei
> Re sy sygnwmh ki olas alla meta apo kamposoys mhnes (xronoys?!) poy
> stelneis mhnymata edw mesa, noiw8w pws pleon mporw na rwthsw
>
> ma ti grafeis epiteloys?
Ti se endiaferei enw katalabaineis mono ayta poy se endiaferoyn, egw ton
briskw endiaferon
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
>
> SCD
>
> elias elias wrote:
>> mnia na xa mnia kala 8a tan....
>> o3o.
>> Elias.
>>
>>
>> Στις 19/1/2008, *Sophia* <sop...@sapience.freeserve.co.uk
>> <mailto:sop...@sapience.freeserve.co.uk>> έγραψε:
>>
>> Φ wrote:
>> >> Ti le re Feidia;
>> >> Av upo0esouem oti trww mia mapvava ka0e mera, ama mou dei3eis 365
>> >> mpavaves mazemeves 0a pw "dev 3avatrww mpavaves";
>> >
>> > Fucika, dev 8a cou ep8ei va 3epaceis ano thv nollh mnavavila;
>>
>> Toses mapvaves apvw aktw exei eva emgalo soupermarket sta rafia tuo
>> Sabbato prwi.
>>
>> Blepeis pou twra dev akougetai toso asxnmo;
>>
>>
>>
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Fotis Zafeiropoulos
<sop...@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK> said:
> iannis wrote:
> > Dev to n3era auto to fenugrec.
>
> Ki egw edw to exw akousei :-)))
>
> > Parakalw mn 3exvas tis miravtes.
>
> Ebala aut apou 0ewrw kaka snmeia, oxi ta kala :-)))
> > Zbav! Nai, pou to 0umn0nkes; Spaviws mev alla etrwga. Mou 0umises kai tn
> > mourtadella Nikas (pou dev etrwga).
>
> Dev exw dokimasie pote mou kovserba kreas. Malista stnv ooikogeveia to
> 0ewrousame to akrov awtov tns koivwvikns kai n0ikns kataptwsns :-)))
>
Ama eixes paei fantaros (pio katw sthn koinwnikh alla oxi kai sthn h9ikh
kataptwsh de ginetai:-) 9a eixes ektimhsei tis konserves kreas (de
8umamai th marka), idiws ta kokkinista keftedakia, ta opoia ginontan
anarpasta kai apo tous Amerikanous pou ta protimousan apo th high
protein plastikh trofh tous (opws elegan oi epaggelmaties pou eixan
kanei Afganistan ktl).
Se periodo de isxnwn ageladwn (i.e. otan o An9upaspisths upeu9unos
sitishs prospa9ouse na meinei in-budget) trwgame konserba zestamenh
prwta sto fourno, 64 konserbakia sto terastio tapsi stoixhmena 8x8,
από το μάγειρα ο οποίος ηταν νεαρός σεφ,
και γιος γνωστού σεφ polu megalou 3enodoxeiou ths
A9hnas.
Ki ase ton Oliver me ta boubalia tou. Emeis exoume faei Godzilla me to
koutali kai opws leei kai to gnwmiko, oti de se skotwnei....
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Sophia
> Ama eixes paei fantaros (pio katw sthn koinwnikh alla oxi kai sthn h9ikh
> kataptwsh de ginetai:-) 9a eixes ektimhsei tis konserves kreas
Eide spws to ellnviko kratos prostateuei to 50% tou pln0usmou tou apo
autn tnv kataptwsn, me to va mnv eivia upoxrewtikn n 0nteia gia tis
guvaikes;
Bebaiws apo tnv twrivn kataptwsn tou delivery kai tou kateyugmevou dev
3erw poios 0amas prostateusei, alal auto eivia alln istoria.
Kai mia pou to eipa auto, idou eva filmaki pou mou steilave (to prwot
tns selidas) to opoio me ekave va gelasw kamposo. Deite kai ta duo, auto
sto youtube exei ligo parapavw uliko kai eiviaakoam xirotero.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/this-weeks-must-see-vide_n_79615.html
Another version here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7GpFFbfTLg
The Alicia Guastaferro video.
lida anestidou
shmera, pou eutyxws einai giorth kai eimaste spiti
mas. pws zeis ekei panw re perilh tosa xronia...shmera
exei edw ena psofo, eutyxws de xionizei... pali kala
pou oi zwntanes koubertes mou symplhrwnoun to kare:))
--- Periklhs <b20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Den einai mono to sauce, einai kai to poses wres
> marinaretai
> (toulaxiston 24 alla kai parapanw), kai pws
> serbiretai meta.
otan hmouna 8essalonikh, enas xasaphs me ema8e na
marinarw kreas. Ti to 8es to speedie sauce bre paidi
mou, den katalabainw. Kremmudi psilokommeno, skordo
psilokomeno, ladi elaiolado kai riganh...telos. meta
apo 24 wres to kreas eiani toso malako kai etoimo oso
de fantazesai.
>
> kai agglika einai flaxseed (ground h
> flaxseed meal).
auth h suzhthsh einai teleia! oute mporousa na
fantastw oti to lino bgainei apo to flaxseed...
Ypoti8etai oti exei megalh analogia
> Omega-3 oksewn (gia
> ta opoia opws ksereis exei piasei ysteria tous
> Amerikanous) alla (kai
> edw) egw to bazw giati mou aresei h geush pou dinei
> sto pswmi, allwste den bazw megalh posothta.
exoun pragmati megalh posothta wmega-3, h usteria
einai se olo to duriko kosmo, oxi monaxa edw.
>
> Opws eixame syzhthsei sth lista prin apo kamia
> dekaria xronia :D h
> pswmomhxanh einai men poly praktikh alla den
> ftiaxnei poly kalo pswmi.
sumfwnoume.
> Otan mou xalase auth pou eixa, pane xroooonia twra,
> phra kalo mikser me
> gatzo, kai ekei ftiaxnw pswmi twra. Den diaferei
> sthn yfh apo zymwmeno
> sto xeri, kai fysika kanw o,ti forma 8elw.
nai, xm...eipe kai o Giannhs gia to gantzo tou mi3er.
Egw exw na antiproteinw to e3hs: oso kai na to
zumwseis me to xeri, pote ma pote de 8a bgei to
spitisio pswmi opws tou fournou...8umasai to xwriatiko
pswmi sthn Ellada me th kora thn kritsanisth kai to
zumari mesa pou htan **ligo** sfikto kai kalutera
katanemhmeno, oxi polu bary, afrato (oxi aeras
kopanistos opws edw ta pswmia)...tetoio pswmi de
mporeis na bgaleis spiti sou ean den exeis petrino
fourno. De bgainei afrato alla sfikto poly, h
toulaxiston se mas auto sumbainei panta. Fusika de
mporw na kanw episthmonikh analush autou pou lew, alla
nomizw oti oi shmerinoi fournoi (ektos isws apo ton
convection oven, alla den exoume tetoio) den
periballoun to pswmi me thn idia poiothta zesths pou
kanoun oi paradosiakoi ellhnikoi.
>
>>
> Auto pou kanoume gioubetsi, to legomeno orzo, einai
> pasta, kai alliws legetai kri8araki. To barley kai o
karpos tou legontai kri8ari. Pou einai to mperdema?
egw den h3era (kai oute to 8umamai sth fusikh istoria
pou les) oti to kri8ari einai futo KAI OXI h pasta pou
kanoume gioubetsi, to opoio de m'aresei kiola...
L.
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lida anestidou
> Oxi. Alla me navets (goules/raibes) n me koloku0akia
> paei. Prose3e,
ti grafeis edw bre Giannh?
PANETS? ti einai Panets (me pi, fantazomai to arxiko
gramma?)
ti einai goules? egw 3erw (a, re giagioula mou)
kokkino-goulia, htoi pantzaria. Alla goules???
Raibes, ennoeis to legomeno Rabi? pws to profereis?
rebes h ra.i.bes? uparxoun polles ra.i.bes? kohl-rabi
3erw, exei kai alla?
> oxi ta fulla n oi goules, ta sporakia ta opoia
> moiazouv ligo me
> glukaviso stnv oyn (alla oxi sto arwma).
afou moy metafraseis ta parapanw, as pame edw sth
suntagh. dhladh, esu mazi me ta koloku8ia, sth soupa
bazeis kai sporous apo mara8o?
>
>
> Edw to kavouv diafora apo salates mexri gratin alla
> emeva mou arsei se
> tarta me yari: solwmo n pestrofa, freska n kapvista
> (av de bariesai to
> 3ekokkalisma kai skoumpri paei polu wraia). To kobw
> se kommatakia gurw
> stov eva povto, to 3ebrazw ligo gia va fugei to
> evtovo arwma kai to
> bazw gemisn tartas me 3eftidia yariou mesa se
> xtupnmevo augo me krema
> galaktos n me giaourti merikes fores kai me lign
> gorgonzola. Bgaivei
> polu wraia.
stasou re Giannh, bazeis tyri *kai* krema galaktos
mazi me psari kai ruza mara8ou?
L.
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lida anestidou
>
> Eixe kai ta kala tou omws to programma. Stnv arxn
> eixav evav kalesmevo
> sto stouvtio o opoios eftia3e loukavika. Tou
> emporiou, xrnsimopoiwvtas
> ta ulika pou bazouv sta ergostasia. Htav mia andia
> kai misn. Kai oso ta
> eftiaxve e3ngouse o Oliber ti bazouv kai giati to
> bazouv, fusika ola
> ntav avagkaia gi va apoktnsei ufn kai geusn to kreas
> pou dev 0a to
> taizes oute sta katoikidia pou miseis. Auto vai,
> ntav polu xrnsimo.
arkibws. auto einai kai to nohma tou sfa3imatos tou
kotopoulou apo th mia, dioti mporeis na to kaneis
humanely kai oxi me tous xilious duo apaisious tropous
pou ginetai ana thn ufhlio. To allo pou edei3e,
sumfwna me to reportaz, einai oi a8lies sun8hkes stis
opoies megalwnoun toso ta kreoparagwga pthna (broiler
chickens) kai ta battery cages (ta kloubia) sta opoia
stoibazontai oi woparagwges orni8es. apan8rwpa.
>
> eivia omws euxaristo to
> oti exei mallov ka0isei o a0vrwpos ki exei skeftei
> oti tov evoxlouv X
> pragmata kai ekmetalleuetai tn dnmosiotnta tou gia
> va ta dior0wsei oso mporei.
akribws. to idio den ekane me to faghto sta sxoleia?
>
> Kai priv apo kati xrovia t apiadi aotu
> Gkorvtov Ramseu eixav pei
> geia stn galopoula pou megalwvav gia ta xristougevva
> kai emt ao apteras
> tous pnge kai tnv esfa3e.
nai, to eixa dei auto sto BBC america...kai 8a
perimena na exei megaluteres euais9hsies o Ramsey,
mias kai einai toso diashmos kai sthn apo dw meria tou
Atlantikou...
Periklhs
> shmera, pou eutyxws einai giorth kai eimaste spiti
> mas.
Ki edw kanei psyxroula, alla den einai giorth ka8oti idwtikh etaireia
ki eimai sto katergo &$^%*#
> pws zeis ekei panw re perilh tosa xronia...
Mpa, mia synh8eia einai ola. Kai ta spitia exoun monwsh. Den kserw pou
einai to "ekei" alla profanws pio notia apo mena opote sas pianei
panikos me ligo xionaki :-P
> marinarw kreas. Ti to 8es to speedie sauce bre paidi
> mou, den katalabainw.
Den ksanapairnw, dioti ksanadiabasa ra systatika kai h mia apo tis dyo
markes exei MSG h allh den exei alla exei polla synthrhtika. Opote 8a
ftiaksw monos mou xrhsimopoiwntas ena syndyasmo apo tis diafores
syntages poy kykloforoun.
> apo 24 wres to kreas eiani toso malako kai etoimo oso
> de fantazesai.
Den einai gia na malakwsei, einai gia th geush pou apoktaei.
> auth h suzhthsh einai teleia! oute mporousa na
> fantastw oti to lino bgainei apo to flaxseed...
To fyto linari einai sketa "flax", flaxseed einai ta sporia.
> zumwseis me to xeri, pote ma pote de 8a bgei to
> spitisio pswmi opws tou fournou...8umasai to xwriatiko
> pswmi sthn Ellada me th kora thn kritsanisth
To pragmatika xwriatiko pswmi den exei kritsanisth kora, einai
prozymenio, siga mh bazane magia. Den amfiballw oti kai o fournos
paizei rolo, alla einai kai to aleuri kai o tropos paraskeuhs. Emena
den mou bgainei poly sfixto, alla epeidh bazw all-purpose aleuri kai ta
alla ta pros8eta pou eipame den ginetai oute poly afrato. Alla h yfh
tou prozymeniou diaferei poly apo auto pou ginetai me magia. (Fobamai
oti to prozymi mou psofhse, proxtes pou ekana mia fratzola me to
prozymi elaxista anebhke, enw mia allh me magia anebhke wraiotata.
Pros8esa ligh zaxarh kai afhsa to bazo anoixto na metanasteysei kanena
kainourio mikrobio kai meta apo wres eixe kanei mpourmpoulh8res, elpizw
na mphkan ta swsta bugs mesa.)
lida anestidou
> KRI8ARI
>
> Re koritsia 8a gkariksw. Mpyra den pinete? apo ti th
> ftiaxnoune nomizete? Malted barley kai hops gia thn
pikrada. Ta zwa 8a koitaksoume h emas?
ti einai hops?
egw pinw mpura kata kairous, alla den eixa idea (merxi
prin apo mia bdomada dhladh) oti barley einai ti
kri8ari, pou einai ALLO apo to kri8araki pou einai
ftaigmeno apo sitari, opws ta fetoutsinia.
> Pragma pou mou 8ymizei oti yparxei ki ena sporaki
> sta mpaxarika pou
> legetai fenugreek kai panta pisteua logw onomatos
> oti einai mara8osporos, alla telika einai asxeto.
Poly 8a h8ela na hksera giati mas to kollhsan emas,
den exw idea..
mexri Tourkia ftanei pou to bazoun se
> pastourma. Trigwnella h mosxositaro sta ellhnika,
> leei. Ti diaolo, se allh xwra megalwsa kai den ta
hksera auta?
well, egw pou megalwsa me pastourma, den eixa idea
(pwpw polles eleipseis blepw meta lyphs mou) oti sto
tsimeni mpainei mosxositaro. les auto na einai pou
boh8a sto na einai toso diaperastikh h murwdia tou
tsimeniou kai na paramenei toses meres stis swmatikes
ekriseis?
>
> To turmeric dhladh (kai h Sofia nomizw to egrapse
> auto kapou, exw mperdeutei me tosa mazemena).
nomizw auto einai pou kanoun auth th ahdia to kokkino
kotopoulo stous idnikous mpoufedes, tanduri chicken
>
> Bre, to maxlepi pou fantazomouna einai kati poly ma
> poly ekswtiko telika einai aplws to mesa meros tou
koukoutsiou enos eidous kerasiou h
> byssinou, kai einai i8agenes sth Mesogeio
> "made from the stones of a small, black cherry tree
> that grows wild in the Mediterranean region across
to Turkey."
:))))
einai, omws, to atimo...xwris auto pou na kaneis
tsourekia pasxalina...
> Ekei pou mou symbainoun perierga pramata einai sto
> prozymenio pswmi.
ti einai auto?
Periklhs
> ti einai hops?
O Lykiskos pou mas 8ymise h Sofia (eixa ksexasei to ellhniko tou onoma
:cry: )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops
> well, egw pou megalwsa me pastourma, den eixa idea
> (pwpw polles eleipseis blepw meta lyphs mou) oti sto
> tsimeni mpainei mosxositaro.
Den kserw ti einai to tsimeni alla mallon auto EINAI to fenugreek an
krinw apo to tourkiko onoma tou (des
http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Trig_foe.html
opou parathrw oti se polles glwsses, kai mh latinogeneis, tou lene
kati_ellhniko)
> > Ekei pou mou symbainoun perierga pramata einai sto
> > prozymenio pswmi.
> ti einai auto?
Den ksereis ti einai to prozymi? :-0
Apo praktikh apopsh, prozymenio pswmi = sourdough alla den eimai
sigouros an to prozymi pou xrhsimopoioun sthn Ellada einai ksynismeno
opws to sourdough starter. An kai ypo8etw einai adynato na exeis
prozymi xwris na ksynisei. To diko mou to exw edw kai polla xronia kai
to ksekinhsa apo stafides Kalifornezikes, alla me ton kairo oi
mikroorganismoi pou exei antika8istantai me tous ntopious (to San
Francisco ypoti8etai exei kata tyxh poly kalous gi' auto to San
Francisco Sourdough einai diashmo... den kserw, den pisteuw oti ta
biomhxanopoihmena pswmia sourdough einai pragmati ftiagmena etsi). Tou
Binghamton ta ntopia mikrobia dinoun sto pswmi kalh wraia, alla pote
tous den htan poly barbata sto anebasma ths zymhs kai twra fainetai
apoginan. Den ta taizw kai oso syxna prepei...
Auto pou legame palia "zymwto pswmi" opws kai ta prosfora ginontan me
prozymi. H zymh exei poly diaforetikes idiothtes apo to pswmi pou
ginetai me biomhxanikh magia, kai h kora den ginetai poly kritsanisth.
Ko_Z_mas
Fantazomai oti h pososthta twn mikroorganismwn einai mikroterh se annalogia mesa sto prozumi kai h taxuthta zumwshs xamhloterh ap'oti me th mageia pou einai pio grhgorh......
Oi gnwseis mou peri biologias kai siyhs einai elaxistes, isws esu na mas to e3hghseis episthmonika me kaluterous orous.
Kozmas >>>>>-------------------->
lida anestidou <lhda_h...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Ekei pou mou symbainoun perierga pramata einai sto
> prozymenio pswmi.
ti einai auto?
L.
iannis
> --- iannis <iann...@YAHOO.FR> wrote:
>> Oxi. Alla me navets (goules/raibes) n me koloku0akia
>> paei. Prose3e,
>
>
> ti grafeis edw bre Giannh?
> PANETS? ti einai Panets (me pi, fantazomai to arxiko
> gramma?)
Oxi, ntav lativikoi xaraktnres to navet. Brassica rapa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip
> ti einai goules? egw 3erw (a, re giagioula mou)
> kokkino-goulia, htoi pantzaria. Alla goules???
Eixa tnv evtupwsn oti goules legovtai auta ta Brassica rapa pou lew
pio pavw (ta navets twv Gallwv ta turnip sta agglika leei n wikipedia).
> Raibes, ennoeis to legomeno Rabi? pws to profereis?
> rebes h ra.i.bes? uparxoun polles ra.i.bes? kohl-rabi
> 3erw, exei kai alla?
Xwris dialutika to raibes, to proferw rebes. Etsi tis elege eva biblio
knpourikns pou eixa dei stnv Ellada. Edw ta leve rutabaga. Brassica
rapus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga
Alla uparxouv kai ta panais (lativikoi xaraktnres). Pastinaca sativa,
sumfwva me tn wikipedia sta agglika legovtai parsnip:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsnip
Ola auta mazi me karoto, koloku0i, patata, maivtavo n oti allo sou
kavei ore3n kavouv wraia xortosoupa. Eidika perasmevn sto mulo ki
evisxumevn me ligo krema galaktos n giaourti kai serbirismevn me
kroutov kai trimevn parmezava.
>> oxi ta fulla n oi goules, ta sporakia ta opoia
>> moiazouv ligo me
>> glukaviso stnv oyn (alla oxi sto arwma).
>
> afou moy metafraseis ta parapanw, as pame edw sth
> suntagh. dhladh, esu mazi me ta koloku8ia, sth soupa
> bazeis kai sporous apo mara8o?
Merikes fores, oxi pavta. Kai eipa polu ligous: stnv katsarola gia 5-6
piata bazw 2-3 sporakia.
>> Edw to kavouv diafora apo salates mexri gratin alla
>> emeva mou arsei se
>> tarta me yari: solwmo n pestrofa, freska n kapvista
>> (av de bariesai to
>> 3ekokkalisma kai skoumpri paei polu wraia). To kobw
>> se kommatakia gurw
>> stov eva povto, to 3ebrazw ligo gia va fugei to
>> evtovo arwma kai to
>> bazw gemisn tartas me 3eftidia yariou mesa se
>> xtupnmevo augo me krema
>> galaktos n me giaourti merikes fores kai me lign
>> gorgonzola. Bgaivei
>> polu wraia.
>
>
> stasou re Giannh, bazeis tyri *kai* krema galaktos
> mazi me psari kai ruza mara8ou?
3erw faivetai ligo periergo alla oxi me opoiodnpote yari. Me yaria pou
exouv evtovn geusn.
Dev eivai n riza tou mara0ou. Eivai ta xovtra fulla stn basn kai n
kardia.
De brnka sto internet kammia suvtagn akribws idia alla exeis
paraplnsies:
tarta solwmo/mara0o/ricotta
http://lesgourmandisesdisa.blogspot.com/2006/09/tarte-au-fenouil-saumon-et-ricotta_22.html
tarta solwmo/sparaggia/mara0o/krema
http://www.supertoinette.com/recettes/tarte_saumon_to_de.htm
pizza solwmo/mprokolo/mple turi
http://www.supertoinette.com/recettes/pizza_brocolis_to_de.htm
tarta solwmo/mprokolo/mple turi/krema
http://www.linternaute.com/femmes/cuisine/recette/316759/1302655439/brocoline_de_saumon_et_bleu_d_auvergne.shtml
Yiannis
Sophia
apavtaie stnv Lndas, se kapoio pou dev exw albei akoma. Meanwhile...
lida anestidou wrote:
> ti einai hops?
To eipame, lukiskos. EIvia eva futo polu ynlo kai lepto sav kalami kapws
alla polu polu ynlo, me fulla kai murizei opws n mpura.
> tsimeni mpainei mosxositaro.
Twra 0a rwtnsw egw. What is tsimevi;
'H mallov gia va ot googliw va dw ti bgazei...
Bgazei:
?? ??????? (???. 14 ???.)? ??????? ????? ? ????????. ?????(-???
?-????),?????. trigonella foenum-graecum, ????.fenugreek, ?????.
??????????? ? ??????.
????????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ???
????? ??? ???????? ??????. ?? ??????? ?? ???????? faenum graecum, ??? ??
???? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ???????. ? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????,
????????? ????? ?? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??
??????????????? ??? ?????. ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ????????? ??
??????????????? ??? ?????????. ?? ????????? 150 ?????? ???????? ??? ??
?????? ????????? ????????? ??? ?????????.
Gia osous dev to diabazouv, to tsimevi 'n tsemevi eivia n
araxaioellnvikn tnlis, epits. trigonella foenum-graecum, veoel.
mosxositaro 'n vuxaki.
Prokeitia gia eidos trifulliou to opoio e3aplw0nke stnv ELlada sto telos
twv klassikwv xrovwv. Oirwmaioi to ovmazav faenum graecum, sa va eixe
ftasei stn Rwmn mesw Elladas. Mpla mpla, apotelie tn gvwstn arwmatikn
epikaluyn tou pastourma.
Alla blepw oti e3ngei allou oti tsimevi legetai olo to migma mpaxarikwv,
skordou klp pou kaluptei tov pastourma, oi movo to sugkekrimevo mapxariko.
> boh8a sto na einai toso diaperastikh h murwdia tou
> tsimeniou kai na paramenei toses meres stis swmatikes
> ekriseis?
Mnpws bon0aei kai to skordo;
Mnpw solos o suvdiasmos;
Giait iiai apotelemsat ame tov pasoturma exei kai to ivdiko fagnto :-)))
> nomizw auto einai pou kanoun auth th ahdia to kokkino
> kotopoulo stous idnikous mpoufedes, tandoori chicken
Oxi, ekei bazouv kavovikn xrwstikn pou kostizei akoam ligotero :-DDDDDD
TO migma gia mpaxarika autou tou eidous periexei: kourkouma, koliavtro,
kumivo, piperi, garufallo, kavella, paprika, mosxokarudo ki o,ti alloe
xeis sto votulapi :-)))
>> Ekei pou mou symbainoun perierga pramata einai sto
>> prozymenio pswmi.
>
>
> ti einai auto?
Evvoeis ti eivia ot prozumevio ywmi; sourdough bread dev exete stas HPA;
Exete. E, auto eivia.
Eivia ftuagmevo me prozumi ki oxi me magia. Dnladn kai to prozumi
(agglisti "starter") magia eivai, alla allou eidous, exoume xnmikous as
e3ngnsouv autoi.
Ilias Kast
Kalyptei tov pastoyrma?... les kai xreiazetai va apoktnsei pio evtovn myrwdia?
Stn 8rakn briskame...kai n fnmn ntave pws arxika o pastoyrmas ntav kreas kamnlas poy ebazav meta3y samarioy kai platns toy alogoy kai kalpazav kairo...
Aln8eyei? ... Toylaxistov e3ngei to sxnma toy!
Φ
> Stn 8rakn briskame...kai n fnmn ntave pws arxika o pastoyrmas ntav kreas
> kamnlas poy ebazav meta3y samarioy kai platns toy alogoy kai kalpazav
> kairo...
>
> Aln8eyei? ... Toylaxistov e3ngei to sxnma toy!
Auto to leei o Hpodotos gia tous Sku8es!
Ama apxicoume va nivoume kai kpaci ano to kpavio tou ex8pou,
kleicame!
iannis
> Apo praktikh apopsh, prozymenio pswmi = sourdough alla den eimai
> sigouros an to prozymi pou xrhsimopoioun sthn Ellada einai ksynismeno
> opws to sourdough starter. An kai ypo8etw einai adynato na exeis
> prozymi xwris na ksynisei. To diko mou to exw edw kai polla xronia kai
ywmi me prozumi = isorropia meta3u laktobakillwv kai magias
ywmi me magia = magia mpuras saccharomyces cerevisiae
Sto ywmi me prozumi, oi laktobakilloi paragouv galaktiko o3u kai
o3eiko o3u. H magia mpuras kavei alkoolikn zumwsn kai paragei
oivopveuma (pou e3atmizetai sto ynsimo) kai dio3eidio tou av0raka.
To apotelesma eivai oti to ywmi me prozumi givetai pio sfixto me
mikres trupes evw to ywmi me magia fouskwvei polu perissotero kai polu
pio grngora kai kavei megales trupes.
Ap'tnv alln to ywmi me prozumi exei pio xaraktnristikn geusn kai xrwma
logw tns zumwsns pou ekavav oi laktobakilloi. Episns logw twv o3ewv
(galaktiko kai o3eiko eivai kai pio 3uvo). Av to afnseis va fouskwsei
se pio xamnln 0ermokrasia (gurw stous 25) paragetai perissotero o3eiko
kai givetai polu pio 3uvo ap'o,ti av to afnseis gurw stous 30. Ap'tnv
alln av to afnseis gurw stous 25 euvoeitai n magia mpuras kai givetai
pio afrato.
Sto ywmi magias pros0eteis to klassiko kubaki magia mpuras tote
fouskwvei toso grngora pou oi laktobakilloi dev prolabaivouv va drasouv.
Yiannis
Sophia
> PANETS? ti einai Panets (me pi, fantazomai to arxiko
> gramma?)
Galika to elege, alal telso apvtwv, ki emeva me mp[erdeyav oi goules,
egw 3erw gouli= swede (amerikavisti rutabaga vomizw, apoto lativiko tou
ovoma), opws leme koureutnke gouli.
rebes= turnips
> rebes h ra.i.bes? uparxoun polles ra.i.bes? kohl-rabi
> 3erw, exei kai alla?
Fusika kai exei ki alla, oloklnrn oikogeveia eivai!
Malista blepw sto le3iko kohlrabi= goggulokrambn 'n reba. Bebaiws dev
eivai reba, giati eipame reba= turnip, alla eivai to prwto tou 3aderfaki.
Ta upoloipa ta afnvw gia otav 0a exw labei ki ola t amnvumat apou
profavws mou leipouv.
Sophia
> O Lykiskos pou mas 8ymise h Sofia (eixa ksexasei to ellhniko tou onoma
> :cry: )
#Ki egw to ema0a otav pnga kapote se mai farma edw pio e3w apo to
Lovdivo pou kalliergousav lukisko kai eida to futo, kai brwmage to
xwrafi sav mpura alal sto polu evtovo, kai eides ti sou eivai n praktikn
ma0nsn, mou emeive (kai to ema0a kai sta ellnvika). A, kai epiedn ekei
ektos apo lukisko eixav kai kati gigavtiaia aloga ta opoia leei
paradosiaka eservav ta kara me to lukisko, baria douleia av skefteis
posn mpura katavalwvouv oi i0ageveis.
> prozymi xwris na ksynisei. To diko mou to exw edw kai polla xronia kai
> to ksekinhsa apo stafides Kalifornezikes, alla me ton kairo oi
> mikroorganismoi pou exei antika8istantai me tous ntopious
Nomizw oti 3erw ti kaveis la0os Perikles! Oi voikokures pou 3erw pou
eftiaxvav prozumevio ywmi avti va kratave autn tnv andia me tous
mikroorgavismous klp ekavav to e3ns: apo to zumari tou ywmiou priv to
afnseis va fouskwsei kobeis eva komati, mia xoufta, mega0os mpalas tou
tevis 'n kai perisostero kai to bazeis stnv katayu3n. Ota vapofasiseis
va zumwseis pali, to 3epagwveis kai to zumwveis me ta alal ulika xwris
va baleis magia 'n otidnpote allo tetoio. Argei ligo va fouskwsei, alla
fouskwvei kapoiα stigmn. Kαi mnv 3exaseis va baleis ligo apo to veo
zumari stnv akrn gia tnv epomevn fora. Ki ap'oo 3erw apo tn logotexvia
(Papadiamavtns; Isws oxi) ftiaxvoume kaivourgio porzumi mia fora to
xrovo, tou Staurou. Profavws to f0ivopwro kapoioi mikroorgavismoi
euvoouv kalutera apo alles apoxes tou xrovou. Meta olo to xrovo
xrnsimopoioume tn me0odo krataw ligo zumari apo to ywmi kai meta apo eva
xrovo ftou ki ap'tnv arxn. Mnpws kapou ekei kollnse to prozumi sou;
H me0odos douleuei kai xwris katayu3n, apal stnv katayu3n diatnreitai
eprissotero ap'o,ti sto yugeio.
Ilias
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Ilias
Kroymos, e? Kai va divoyme kai stnv korn toy kai gkomeva mas va piei ki aytn :-O
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From: Kalli
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Sent: Jan 21, 2008 11:42
Subject: Re: MH gkarizeis Periklh:))) Re: Ola mazi
Periklhs
> Nomizw oti 3erw ti kaveis la0os Perikles! Oi voikokures pou 3erw pou
> eftiaxvav prozumevio ywmi avti va kratave autn tnv andia me tous
> mikroorgavismous
Poia ahdia? Akribws oi idioi mikroorganismoi einai kai stis dyo
periptwseis (fysika kserw auto pou ekanan oi noikokyres). H diafora
egkeitai sto oti ama kratas zymari h analogia sakxaromykhtwn pros
acidobacillus einai megalyterh opote to pswmi einai ligotero ksyno, oso
pio neroulo einai to starter toso pio fernei pros sourdough pou m'
aresei to apotelesma(auth th leptomereia den thn hksera mexri xtes,
alla ekshgei giati oi odhgies pou eixa diabasei lene gia neroulo
starter). Alla epeidh kratietai sto psygeio, oxi sthn katapsyksh,
prepei na to taizeis ka8e toso (ka8e 15 elegan oi odhgies) pragma pou
ksexnaw kai bariemai.
P.
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Kroymos, e? Kai va divoyme kai stnv korn toy kai gkomeva mas va piei ki aytn :-O
------Original Message------
From: Kalli
Auto to leei o Hpodotos gia tous Sku8es!
Ama apxicoume va nivoume kai kpaci ano to kpavio tou ex8pou,
kleicame!
Alh0eia, ti ginane oi Sku0es, pou phgan;
Oi 0rakes e3Ellhnisthkan pro Hrodotou, oi Armenioi th glutwsan pio polu ap'olous tous laous pou anaferei o Hrodotos, kai oi Ellhnes diesw0hsan san onomasia kai mono.
Kozmas >>>>>---------------->
Ilias Kast
Alas, poor Yorick, I knew ye well
Oyte oi Aggloi eivai Aggloi
Sophia
kai linseed, isxuouv kai ta duo ovomata.
Oso gia to ywmi to xwriatiko, kapoia ywmia xwriatika eivia kala, stnv
pleioynfia omws egw akouw xwriatiko kai skefotmai ywmi baru ki asnkwto,
sfixto oso dev apirvei kai se mia katastasn nmi-mpagiatikn. A, vai, kai
se karbelia twv epvte kilwv :-))))
Exouem eva fourvo stnv PAtra pou ynvei akoma me 3ula kai to ywmi tou to
xwriaitko eivai allo prama, kamia sxesn me to proavafer0ev. Dev 3erw av
eivia ta 3ula.
lida anestidou wrote:
> arkibws. auto einai kai to nohma tou sfa3imatos tou
> kotopoulou apo th mia, dioti mporeis na to kaneis
> humanely kai oxi me tous xilious duo apaisious tropous
> pou ginetai ana thn ufhlio.
Nai, alla n me0odos pou edei3e isxuei gia eva kotopoulo. Otav ka0nmeriva
sfazeis pevtakosia; Pavtws gevika to 0ema kotopoulo eivia polu megalo.
Ap'o,ti exw katalabei ta palia xrovia kotopoulo dev etrwge polu suxva o
kosmos. Twra to kotopoulo eivai pamf0nvo kai to briskeis se olwv twv
eidwv ta fagnta.
> sumfwna me to reportaz, einai oi a8lies sun8hkes stis
> opoies megalwnoun toso ta kreoparagwga pthna (broiler
> chickens) kai ta battery cages (ta kloubia) sta opoia
> stoibazontai oi woparagwges orni8es. apan8rwpa.
Auto dev to eida, alal exw dei alla programamta sxetika me auto to 0ema
kai 0umamai prwtn for apou eida tetoio programma stamatnsa va pairvw
auga- pleov movo organic free range. Etsi ki alliws n timn dev diaferei
pia kai toso polu. To kako eivia oti ev UK ta auga ta poulave se e3ades
kai prepie vte kai kala va pareis e3i. KAi ti va ta kavw ta e3i, re
file; Egw ta 0elw va eivia olofreska opote t apiarvw, ama parw e3i t
amisa 0a meivouv mia-duo bdomades. Eutuxws sot Whole Foods pou avn3e
eprsi ta poulave me to kommati kai ta exouv xuma kai dialegeis. KAti
eivi aki auto, as elpisoume oti kai ta alla soupermarket 0a
3esuveristouve, toulaxistov aut apou to paizouv "kala" soupermarket.
Kai gevika to problnma tns megalns suskeasias 0ewrw oti eivia apradekto.
To blepw kai stnv Ellada polu ki edw (isw spio polu stnv ELladA). Ta
giaourtia p.x. dev ta poulave pleov eva- eva, ta poulave 'n duo duo
kollnmeva mazi 'n tetrades 'n oxtades. Omoiws ta diafora epidorpia kai
eipa kai gia ta auga ndn. Dnland av 0elw ENA giati va prepei va parw duo;
> akribws. to idio den ekane me to faghto sta sxoleia?
S'auto to 0ema dev 3erw kata poso bon0nse. To programam ntav rnaliti kai
opws polal rnaliti stnrizotav stn sugkrousn koivwvikwv ta3ewv: apo tn
mia o wraios sef apo kaln oikogeveia pou tous leei va fave "posh food"
ki apo tnv alln oi proletaromageirisses kai ta proletaropitsirikia pou
0elouv av0ugieives andies.
Des edw:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/oct/03/2>
Leei oti sta sxoleia pou uio0etn0nke ugieivoteor fagnto oi ma0ntes
stamatnsav va trwve sto sxoleio kai pave e3w.
To problnma pavtws eivai oi goveis. Apo to spiti ma0aivouv ta paidia va
trwve andies. Ki otav pas soupermarket kai deis ti pairvouv oi
oikogeveies 0a fri3eis. Ama dev exei diepo te tou mia salata sto spiti o
dekapevtaxrovos, pws va tn faei tn salata sto sxoleio;
> nai, to eixa dei auto sto BBC america...kai 8a
> perimena na exei megaluteres euais9hsies o Ramsey,
> mias kai einai toso diashmos kai sthn apo dw meria tou
> Atlantikou...
Auto dev to katalabaivw to peir euais0nsiwv, alla tav exeis eva zwo kai
to taizeis gia va to sfa3eis, ti euais0nsia va dei3eis; H 0esn tou zwou
eivia va fagw0ei. Akribws opws skeftovtav oi papoudes mas sta xwria tous
pou eixav to gourouvi, tis kotes klp. Dev ntav kaotikidio to gourouvi,
oikosito ntav.