[Hx] Applescript 3.0 Petition
Quipu Pty Ltd lee@quipu.com.au
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Dave Jensen djensenaudio@gmail.com
Hel...@gibhenry.com
Lee Wow. Thank you.
I have not heard a discussion about
the Human Interface (HI is even more ignored subset of UI) since
a talk at a Filemaker Training Conference when I was a baby. We
used a MORTRAN Pre-Processor for Fortran 77 or whatever at Bell
Labs (https://codedocs.org/what-is/mortran) to write XAFS
software used at the Stanford Synchrotron Lightsource Ring. 40 years ago
yikes, my used computers are piling up. That was when
programs were compiled rather than word processed. (Aside, ran
my first Complex Helix Database on a Macintosh Classic, 8mhz
processor, without a hard drive - in one month! with help;
mentioned it before but nowhere to run it
[https://]obsoft.net/picmenu.html).
This was a transition time for
everything, from paper tape (PDP 11/05), to punchcards (Univac),
to tape reels (PDP UNIVAX/RSX/VAX); while what the Kernigan
people did was UNIX and Pet Personal Computers running
experiments (on the QT); mainframes running
dumb terminals were so inefficient and unusable as to be
laughable.
We liked Mortran because:
1) Code was readable/easily portable.
2) Provided flexibility and less secretarial typing.
3) Interfaced disparate programming languages and peripherals
(Assembler).
4) Changes could be made for a particular computer/network at
the simplest level with those propagated. For instance, calls to
the Hewlitt-Packard printing terminal hooked up with fiberoptic
cable from a VAX system interface card, running UNIX C or what
caused much psychosis in the programmers - writing Shell
Scripts.
I really liked the semicolons ";"
ending lines. I cannot abide by brackets "< >, { }". As I
recall, we could customize (define) just about any translation
to liking. Made it easier for a particular application
(scripting editors are so idiosynchratic now, may as well be
writing assembler) and porting from computer to computer. Probable
precusor to HTML which is very System Dependent ofor its
reliance on screen display.
I find poor readability even using the absurd underline (word1_word2, word1.word2 vs word1-word2). Periods end sentences do not divide compound names! Maybe it is just my dyslexic eyes. PS - really liked coding command line compiling on the AT in Pascal; one of these days will circle back to the Open Source updates.
UNIX has the [dis]advantage of
allowing hidden complex privileges down to the typed letter or
up to the whole shebang (Super User) without knowing.
Great for placing people into Corporate Cubicles. Piping was
incredible didn't have to code for each device in each program,
unlike scripting now. Too many ways to do things, and not
having permission access you cannot figure out is
maddening as a programmer.
-I spend 30% of my time in tech
support activities (OSX 13 gives me these dialog boxes at
startup; I can't get rid of. Have to click close for each
individually).
Techs here in San Diego, including Encinitas Apple Geniuses don't have a clue ("we don't support third party software"; they tell me to wait for the 13.3 update and just go away. Didn't fix it. Using a Computer has become as joining a Cult: I swear the Drupal Users I met are Aliens and use about 10% English Language).
How about Disappearing filenames in Finder when a downloaded file is moved from the Desktop to a Folder?
Currently we endure:
-Non-standardization / incompatibility (think excel macros cross
platforms)
- Data Insecurity (Microsoft Servers) forcing firewall systems -
they get more of your data than you get of theirs.
- Forced Conformity in the guise of collecting "likes" that spy on
you and your links.
- Require a more powerful, glitzy computer every 2 years to
process the virtual networking and stay compatible not data
computing which retires your hard made programs that cannot run.
The overhead in AppleScript,
Automator, or whatever it is now, was very daunting and broke
with OS updates. I can't even read a pdf file transferred over
from my older MBP running 10.8 (where I still run Helix) without
manually changing the file permissions.
We have never solved the "half- I see the letter I keystroke)" vs
"full- i see the letter from the computer behind the firewall if
it accepts and then echos back to me" duplex security leak. I own
the first letter; they own the second so that's what we do. It is
the Corporate excuse to control my computer, and mine my personal
data. There is no effective personal firewall when they require
accessing anything on your drive.
And this is the level of technical sophistication that passes for
descriptive in our discussions
(https://networkencyclopedia.com/handshaking/):
Any Database accessible from IOS/Cell devices blows a hole into security becuase your cell phone is Navigating the towers and the Networks to get to your Data and requiring Serial Firewall layers. I am forced to move to Linux Programs, as Apple has long ago abandoned Desktop Computing for its profitable Videos via Cellphones. This by the way damages your brain sipping data thru a straw. A return to Dumb Terminals that IBM argued was the Corporate way to maximize profit. This is reminiscent of the Book Book Laws where the Publisher owned the writes in perpetuity, not the author; rented to you the reader. Think subscription model. Dumbed us down turn of the Century 1900. Although a younger person may not understand the symbols on the page, the book in my hand doesn't disappear two months after printing on the Internet. And I need a magnifying glass to read it there anyway.
30% of US Hospitals paid $23 Billion for Ransom Demands, which is
$10x the budget for Medicaid/2MillionBabies a year.
Sharps in SD again, just 2 months ago. One Outpatient Clinic here
spent a fortune on EPIC (THE Hospital problem, talk about
scripting hell) is now going to back to NextGen. OMG!
Now AI is blowing up, predictably. Sorry about Big Data, another
IPO over-hype.
1) I would love to have a script that lets me save a file from
the internet or program with the date embedded in the file name.
Am not able to figure it out, do it manually each time.
2) My main Contact Manager was NOW CONTACT on 10.8 (Intel processor); has no real current replacement - allowed multiple text files listed in the contact, not as one text listing all notes by scrolling thru. I hired a (reputable) programmer to add this to a Filemaker contact manager. After a $1000 deposit and 6 months had nothing; he gave up and refunded my money. I could use Busy Contact/cross platform which allows attachment of any file on the contact page or folder (great organization tool that bypasses the Stupid Finder joke), but I use individual ".txt" files now; other formats eventually go away; look at Appleworks can't read those or the Paparport ".max" scans). But this requires a manual file naming and attaching for each contact. I can't do the scripting. (Sorry Lenny, still owe your help; only got limited Contact info (doesn't allow multiple phone numbers) and not the Notes i was looking for). I had that already, but will send I promise.
Back to my rocking chair.
Tim B.
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chuckbo chuckbo@hinkles.us
On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:18 PM, t...@obsoft.net <Hel...@gibhenry.com> wrote:
Lee Wow. Thank you.
I have not heard a discussion about the Human Interface (HI is even more ignored subset of UI) since a talk at a Filemaker Training Conference when I was a baby. We used a MORTRAN Pre-Processor for Fortran 77 or whatever at Bell Labs (https://codedocs.org/what-is/mortran) to write XAFS software used at the Stanford Synchrotron Lightsource Ring. 40 years ago yikes, my used computers are piling up. That was when programs were compiled rather than word processed. (Aside, ran my first Complex Helix Database on a Macintosh Classic, 8mhz processor, without a hard drive - in one month! with help; mentioned it before but nowhere to run it [https://]obsoft.net/picmenu.html).
This was a transition time for everything, from paper tape (PDP 11/05), to punchcards (Univac), to tape reels (PDP UNIVAX/RSX/VAX); while what the Kernigan people did was UNIX and Pet Personal Computers running experiments (on the QT); mainframes running dumb terminals were so inefficient and unusable as to be laughable.
We liked Mortran because:
1) Code was readable/easily portable.
2) Provided flexibility and less secretarial typing.
3) Interfaced disparate programming languages and peripherals (Assembler).
4) Changes could be made for a particular computer/network at the simplest level with those propagated. For instance, calls to the Hewlitt-Packard printing terminal hooked up with fiberoptic cable from a VAX system interface card, running UNIX C or what caused much psychosis in the programmers - writing Shell Scripts.
I really liked the semicolons ";" ending lines. I cannot abide by brackets "< >, { }". As I recall, we could customize (define) just about any translation to liking. Made it easier for a particular application (scripting editors are so idiosynchratic now, may as well be writing assembler) and porting from computer to computer. Probable precusor to HTML which is very System Dependent ofor its reliance on screen display.
I find poor readability even using the absurd underline (word1_word2, word1.word2 vs word1-word2). Periods end sentences do not divide compound names! Maybe it is just my dyslexic eyes. PS - really liked coding command line compiling on the AT in Pascal; one of these days will circle back to the Open Source updates.
UNIX has the [dis]advantage of allowing hidden complex privileges down to the typed letter or up to the whole shebang (Super User) without knowing. Great for placing people into Corporate Cubicles. Piping was incredible didn't have to code for each device in each program, unlike scripting now. Too many ways to do things, and not having permission access you cannot figure out is maddening as a programmer.
-I spend 30% of my time in tech support activities (OSX 13 gives me these dialog boxes at startup; I can't get rid of. Have to click close for each individually).
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Techs here in San Diego, including Encinitas Apple Geniuses don't have a clue ("we don't support third party software"; they tell me to wait for the 13.3 update and just go away. Didn't fix it. Using a Computer has become as joining a Cult: I swear the Drupal Users I met are Aliens and use about 10% English Language).
How about Disappearing filenames in Finder when a downloaded file is moved from the Desktop to a Folder?
<page 1.jpg>
Currently we endure:-Non-standardization / incompatibility (think excel macros cross platforms)
- Data Insecurity (Microsoft Servers) forcing firewall systems - they get more of your data than you get of theirs.
- Forced Conformity in the guise of collecting "likes" that spy on you and your links.
- Require a more powerful, glitzy computer every 2 years to process the virtual networking and stay compatible not data computing which retires your hard made programs that cannot run.
The overhead in AppleScript, Automator, or whatever it is now, was very daunting and broke with OS updates. I can't even read a pdf file transferred over from my older MBP running 10.8 (where I still run Helix) without manually changing the file permissions.
We have never solved the "half- I see the letter I keystroke)" vs "full- i see the letter from the computer behind the firewall if it accepts and then echos back to me" duplex security leak. I own the first letter; they own the second so that's what we do. It is the Corporate excuse to control my computer, and mine my personal data. There is no effective personal firewall when they require accessing anything on your drive.
And this is the level of technical sophistication that passes for descriptive in our discussions
(https://networkencyclopedia.com/handshaking/):
<handshaking.jpg>
Any Database accessible from IOS/Cell devices blows a hole into security becuase your cell phone is Navigating the towers and the Networks to get to your Data and requiring Serial Firewall layers. I am forced to move to Linux Programs, as Apple has long ago abandoned Desktop Computing for its profitable Videos via Cellphones. This by the way damages your brain sipping data thru a straw. A return to Dumb Terminals that IBM argued was the Corporate way to maximize profit. This is reminiscent of the Book Book Laws where the Publisher owned the writes in perpetuity, not the author; rented to you the reader. Think subscription model. Dumbed us down turn of the Century 1900. Although a younger person may not understand the symbols on the page, the book in my hand doesn't disappear two months after printing on the Internet. And I need a magnifying glass to read it there anyway.
30% of US Hospitals paid $23 Billion for Ransom Demands, which is $10x the budget for Medicaid/2MillionBabies a year. Sharps in SD again, just 2 months ago. One Outpatient Clinic here spent a fortune on EPIC (THE Hospital problem, talk about scripting hell) is now going to back to NextGen. OMG!
<page 1.jpg>
<page 2.jpg>
Now AI is blowing up, predictably. Sorry about Big Data, another IPO over-hype.
1) I would love to have a script that lets me save a file from the internet or program with the date embedded in the file name. Am not able to figure it out, do it manually each time.
2) My main Contact Manager was NOW CONTACT on 10.8 (Intel processor); has no real current replacement - allowed multiple text files listed in the contact, not as one text listing all notes by scrolling thru. I hired a (reputable) programmer to add this to a Filemaker contact manager. After a $1000 deposit and 6 months had nothing; he gave up and refunded my money. I could use Busy Contact/cross platform which allows attachment of any file on the contact page or folder (great organization tool that bypasses the Stupid Finder joke), but I use individual ".txt" files now; other formats eventually go away; look at Appleworks can't read those or the Paparport ".max" scans). But this requires a manual file naming and attaching for each contact. I can't do the scripting. (Sorry Lenny, still owe your help; only got limited Contact info (doesn't allow multiple phone numbers) and not the Notes i was looking for). I had that already, but will send I promise.
Back to my rocking chair.
Tim B.
____________________________________________
On 4/3/23 10:10 PM, Quipu Pty Ltd l...@quipu.com.au wrote:
For those who have a passing interest in AppleScript this item in Late Night Software’s forum is an absolute killer.