Model View Options

[Nickie Koskinen]

MVOin general provides the possibility to save individual views with special combination of display settings.

Some of these settings are coming from ARCHICAD itself, affecting construction elements mostly, but others are coming from special library parts, using a special subtype:

General GDL Object/Documentation Element/Drawing Symbol/Library Global Settings, affecting other library parts only.

In the planfile, 2 view combinations are defined, using the 2 different parameter values of the MVO object.

The library object is placed with 3 instances, each with different display parameter value.

The possible outcomes are the following:

In the following example, we will create a simple 2D symbol for Lamps, which will be able to react to the current settings of Miscellaneous Settings for Library Parts (ARCHICAD Library 20)/Lamps and HVAC Floor Plan Symbols.

Note: custom created objects which contain reference to existing, GRAPHISOFT-shipped MVO objects of the official library are currently not eligible to BIMcomponents.com upload (external reference handling check requirements can not be met).

The object has an integer parameter ("iSymbolType2D"), with the following options:

I have set up a model view option for 3D/BIMX and unticked "Show Opening Line in 3D" for all windows and doors, and no window/door has a Model View Override, yet I am still seeing opening lines in 3D! Any suggestions? Window appears correctly in preview boxAll options unselected

Yes and yes - the correct model view option is selected. On closer examination this appears to be a bigger issue the 3D window not responding to MVO settings. For instance in the views below you can see there are different settings for fixtures as well, but changing the model view option doesn't change anything in 3D.

Another possible solution would be to use GDL scripting to modify the MVO Dialog settings so the Opening Lines display can be set separately for 3D and Sections/Elevations. Plus, modify the macro in the default Archicad Library that generates Opening Lines to adjust based on those modified MVO Dialog settings.

While going through university and from following the development of SO, I've heard a lot about the Model-View-Controller architectural design pattern. I inadvertently used the MVC pattern even before I knew what it was, and still use it in my everyday job. From what I've seen, it's probably the most popular pattern used today. What I haven't heard much about though, are the alternative patterns you can use instead of MVC. What options are there, and for what reasons would you decide to use them over MVC? I'm also interested in knowing the types of systems they are typical of being used for. Finally, what are the pros and cons that come along with using them?

I've occasionally seen MVC without the C, where the view listens for changes in the model's data and alters rendering accordingly, and where the methods in the model are bound to event handlers for the view.

For projects where the view is by necessity tightly couple with the data (such as when there are visual components that directly relate to the model or attributes of the model), this can be rather useful, as it cuts out the "middle man."

Although the above answers are quite correct, I think it's much more important to note that the words "design pattern" are completely unknown to 90% of all people who create software. They just start writing code.

In the Lift web framework we use a View First approach. Basically a view is composed of one or more snippets (somewhat similar to controllers) and snippets can be nested. This works very well with HTML and Scala's built-in XML processing capabilities.

The observer pattern (a subset of the publish/subscribe pattern) is a software design pattern in which an object, called the subject, maintains a list of its dependents, called observers, and notifies them automatically of any state changes, usually by calling one of their methods. It is mainly used to implement distributed event handling systems.

Ex : The Save button gets enabled in an editior, only when there is data to be saved. Another example of the observer pattern is Document View architecture in MFC, where in the view gets updated when the document changes .

Attempting to resurrect an old thread got no response... so I'll rehash the issue here in a NEW one!

Model View Options go missing. This is a problem. We need a solution. This has been happening for years. Documents are going out to permit with no door or window markers. Contractors are getting site plans they can't read because they are littered with door and window markers.

More and more options are getting added to the MVO settings. MVO's are getting way more useful. Show cabinet swing. Merge slab surfaces. Beams center line or outline. Light fixtures symbolic or projected... But all of this is for naught if we have to spend 2 days scrubbing through our documents to make sure the MVO's aren't shooting us in the foot.

Is there any plan to fix AC to prevent MVO's going missing? I have 3 clients who see this issue regularly. I have seen it in my own projects from time to time.

Help me Graphisoft, your my only hope! Still seeing this in AC 26 v5002.

And yes... we are all on the most recent build of AC for all versions. All working on Mac, for the most part (but with my wide range of clients, there is a mix of mac intel, mac silicon, windows).

I'd like to add that this is even worse, as the MVO's will show correctly in the drawing manager, but in the view summary at the bottom fo the navigator, it will show something like : "A2 - Floor Plans [Missing]"... and A2 - Floor Plans is most DEFINITELY NOT missing!

All this said, the views randomly apply whatever MVO settings the software feels like... if your MVO is set to show door/window markers, they wont show when they are missing. If your mvo is set to show cabinet or door operations in elevation, they wont show when they are missing.

Maybe I'm impatient on this... but 4+ years seems like a long time for this horrible bug to keep getting swept under the rug.

further pressing the importance of this. I do not see a single file I have open on any of the 3 BIM servers I am working with that DOESNT have at least one view with missing MVO settings. The biggest file I have open has approximately 350-400 views in the view map. Approximately 1/2-2/3 of them have missing model view options.

since this is still getting the crickets... I'll bump it again... here's a file I'm working on today. Most worksheets and schedules in the view map are missing their MVO's, and ALL the interior elevations are... anyone here from GS or with connections to GS able to relay the crucial need to get on top of this?

Hi everybody, I am reviving this older thread because the same (missing) model view options have been wrecking havoc on our office. We shifted to BIMcloud as a Service during the pandemic, and now rely on it, so unfortunately there is no turning back for our office. At the same time, We might find ourselves updating the mising MVO's on hundreds of views right before a deadline, which is unsustainable... or even worse, we have accidentally submitted incorrectly formatted drawing sets due to this issue, resulting in RFI's and unnecessary plan check comments.

This appears to be the result of a bug, DEF-4010, that was fixed in Archicad 25 Update 4, Archicad 26 Update 2 and Archicad 27. The Model View Options went missing if the dialog was not reserved before making changes.

Although the issue has already been fixed (make sure you're on the latest update), a project that was created in a buggy version would continue to have the missing MVO. It may be best to reshare the project with the latest update and re-assign the MVOs.

I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused by this issue.

BUMP:

Missing model view options continue to be a problem bug with Archicad. Looking, this goes back years.

Is there any feedback from anyone at Graphisoft on any plans to fix this... ever?

why this little bug is such a big problem:

I have one client who issued a set of construction documents. The contractor says "I can't read the dimensions on the 1:10 site plan, the door/window markers are getting in the way, and I can't reference doors and windows to the floor plan, it appears there are no tags on the 1/4" plans" Missing MVO's!

Another sends a presentation set and BIMx to the client. Client says "can you add the faucets and door knobs we looked at last time we met?" Views for those docs have Missing MVO's!

We really REALLY need document reliability. This bug is leaving us with no assurance that our documents are going to look the way we set them up.

If nothing else, is there any new insight into what may be triggering this issue, so that we could prevent it, instead of just over-diligently scouring our exported files before sending them every time? On a 150 page plan set, reviewing every drawing for everything controlled by every MVO setting is tedious, and makes sending out an updated plan set a day long effort, rather than a simple "publish and send" activity!

I was going to create a new issue, but I am going to weigh in on this thread instead since it does not appear to be resolved. We are running AC25 in a multi-user environment utilizing BIMcloud as a Service. We have been experiencing this issue for years. It appears to happen only in a Teamshare file. If a user creates a plan view and adds that view to a layout, then another user who opens that file will often, but not always, see that the model view is missing. It is always the Floor Plan MVO that is missing. Please see attached snip.

We do use a template that was created using a third party's template file as a go-by back in V20. We continually revise/update our template and are currently doing so for a V27 launch. I would love to have this problem resolved so we don't continue to waste time on it. Your comments would be appreciated.

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