Re: cameras again, was: Re: [HSL] Re: Privacy Hack Night - Privacy not included

[David Lang]

Antonio Contrisciani wrote:

> Hey David,
>
> So ill tackle your questions as best i can from top down.
>
> 1. what is the difference between a security camera and a 'creeper' camera?
> (some people say they are ok with the security cameras, but not the
> "creeper"
> cameras)
> I don't know what the security cameras can see, how long video is kept, etc.
> I also don't know what these other cameras can see, I understand they are
> streaming only

thanks for the reply about what the differences between the current sets of
cameras are. My question was intended to be slightly different. with a HYH
meeting thursday and a post that this may be discussed there, I'll try to
clarify my question

what is the technical difference between a camera that is 'just' a security
camera and one that is a 'creepercam'?

is it the capability to see the output in real-time vs delayed

Is it who can view the output? is it the content of the output?

if it's who can view the output, and having the who be the Internet, would it be
acceptable if it was limited to members? if that's still too broad, what if it
was limited to cardholders?

if it's the content of the output:

There is a post asking if a camera system that had no video output but just an
AI to count people-like objects that enter and leave to try and provide a
reasonable estimate of the number of bodies in the space. would this be
acceptable?

would AI pixelating/bluring of faces be acceptable?

what other options are there? what makes a camera setup cross the line from
'security camera' (good or at least acceptable) to 'creeper camera' (Evil (TM))

Is there a middle ground where cameras can be usefult to members but not cross
over into creepercam territory?

David Lang

[Antonio Contrisciani]

The big difference is that the security cameras have limited access and the "other" cameras were being broadcast on the website to, not just all the members, but anyone who visited the site.

[David Lang]

Antonio Contrisciani wrote:

> The big difference is that the security cameras have limited access and the
> "other" cameras were being broadcast on the website to, not just all the
> members, but anyone who visited the site.

so would they be acceptable if they were only available to members?

David Lang

[Sheldon McGee]

I appreciate the lively discussion! But can we move this to some other thread . . . perhaps centered around a specific proposal or discussion topic? We've done this dance before so maybe we should try to find a better way, right?