What is the HeatSync Labs Manifesto?

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Jacob Rosenthal

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May 8, 2011, 3:57:40 AM5/8/11
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As we talk about going to a new space some of us have been talking about how to define ourselves to the public, which means we define ourselves for each other :).  We will finally have the opportunity for some sort of signage, manifesto, etc to answer people's very valid question about how this crazy hacker space thing works.

I spent a few minutes coming up with the following 'manifesto' or set of rules or whatever, but Im very curious to hear what everyone else thinks--what would you add?  What would you argue with?

*Bring your work and your questions but most importantly your skills and knowledge.  This is a community.
*No one works here.  
*No one else is going to fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it. Please do it yourself or report it to the community.
*You can't 'hire' HeatSync Labs for a project, though you might approach one of our members to freelance for you.
*Support us! If you're getting value we offer many ways to support us--From elbow grease to donations and small purchases to monthly memberships!
*Be excellent to eachother.

Casey Dekker

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May 8, 2011, 4:05:06 AM5/8/11
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Might I add
"And party on dudes"

Will Bradley

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May 8, 2011, 4:28:14 AM5/8/11
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Wheaton's Law is partly covered by being excellent, but the converse is "don't be a dick." :)

Dylan

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May 8, 2011, 10:59:08 AM5/8/11
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"Be a Maker, Not a Taker"

Dylan

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May 8, 2011, 11:13:31 AM5/8/11
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"Be Free From The Fear That Your Creations Will Benefit Others More Then Yourself"

Nathanael Phillips

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May 8, 2011, 12:19:09 PM5/8/11
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My initial thought is to avoid the term "manifesto." Unfortunately, it carries some negative social connotations -- Almost the same argument as "Hacker" versus "Maker."

Just my 2c

The list of "rules" is good, too.

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 1:53:52 PM5/8/11
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How is manifesto negative? Just because there is a communist manifesto?
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Jerry Gable

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May 8, 2011, 1:55:11 PM5/8/11
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Or unibomber manifesto.
From: Jasper Nance <nebar...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:53:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [HSL] What is the HeatSync Labs Manifesto?

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 1:59:40 PM5/8/11
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Actually he called it "Industrial Society and Its Future
Someone else called it by the manifesto name. 

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 2:01:24 PM5/8/11
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"A manifesto is a document which sets forth the principles and goals
of an organization. Typically, a manifesto is designed to be widely
distributed to the public, and it serves as an official declaration.
Often, a manifesto is political in nature, as is the case with the
Communist manifesto, although a manifesto can also be employed by
artists and other collective groups as a medium of communication. In
many instances, a manifesto is highly revolutionary, and is designed
to stimulate public dialog.

Generally, a manifesto intended for a large audience is written in
clear, plain language so that everyone can understand it. The document
can be long or short, and many organizations create a shorter
manifesto for large distribution to pique the interest of the public.
A shortermanifesto might appear in the form of a flier or poster which
can be easily duplicated and distributed, and it will include
information about where to obtain the longer manifesto."

Andrew Harris

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May 8, 2011, 2:17:02 PM5/8/11
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IMHO, I think 'manifesto' is kind of cheesey. Not because of the
communism/murderer association, but it just seems to imply
self-importance. It's like erecting an ivory tower, except in words
rather than ivory.

Why not just call this our philosophy?

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 2:21:50 PM5/8/11
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Well its neither because its bulleted and not prose.

The more I think about it the more I like just List of Rules or even
Things to Keep in Mind at Heatsync Labs

Nathanael Phillips

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May 8, 2011, 2:40:46 PM5/8/11
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@Jasper: *I* don't think it's negative, just like I don't think "hacker" is a negative term. But socially, it carries weight -- Communist and Unabomber manifestos as the prime example. That's all.

Harry Meier

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May 8, 2011, 2:41:06 PM5/8/11
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Looking at what others have done will only take us so far. A hackerspace needs to know its community. We need to ignite the passions everyone has for that one project that he or she would do if "I just had that tool" or "if I just knew someone who could solve this one problem". Doing that requires a formula that's different for every community and even for different disciplines within that community. 

We've already found that natural subgroups form within our space. Education, life sciences, high speed photography, space research, and 3D printing to name a few are already major sub groups that have either a regular meeting night or reoccurring events at Heatsync. With every new tool that one of those groups brings, all the others find innovative ways to use and create with it. Having them all in the same space and keeping the communications open are the real strengths of a hackerspace. Where universities form departmental silos and businesses keep channels closed to protect intellectual property, a hackerspace is about keeping those synergies all in one place and keeping the door open to more. It's that open door that allows us to react to what the community wants.

Too prosey for a list?

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 2:42:05 PM5/8/11
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=D why not keep both!

TL;DR *List*
Want more? Here! *prose*

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Will Bradley

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May 8, 2011, 2:45:15 PM5/8/11
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I've found that accurate wording doesn't always have any effect... like how basically nobody reads "frequently asked questions" -- gotta make waves with words to catch people's attention, like "words we live by" even if it's a bit tongue-in-cheek ;)

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 2:45:35 PM5/8/11
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Hey I read those :(

Will Bradley

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May 8, 2011, 2:46:36 PM5/8/11
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Me too but we're like the biggest nerds on the planet :<

Harry Meier

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May 8, 2011, 2:49:20 PM5/8/11
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If anyone in HSL ever hits the big time can we promise to do a commercial for us with that guy from Revenge of the Nerds just yelling "NERRRRRRDS!"

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 2:54:47 PM5/8/11
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Was anyone else really confused why the black gay kid was in that
movie? He wasn't a nerd at all.

Karl Kammerzell

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May 8, 2011, 3:40:35 PM5/8/11
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Why was booger a nerd?

Jasper Nance

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May 8, 2011, 3:41:09 PM5/8/11
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Hey yeah! what the hell man!

Corey Renner

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May 8, 2011, 3:47:22 PM5/8/11
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Well, I'm no expert, but I thought it was because he picked his nose and looked like Herbert Quintin Viola from Moonlighting....

c

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David Huerta

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I like Crashspace's manifesto:
http://blog.crashspace.org/2011/03/manifesto-manifesto-crashspace-manifesto/

I also like Noisebridge's approach of not having a manifesto and just
having a dusty picture of Keanu Reaves saying "Be excellent to each
other, dudes." I would support having a picture of Wil Wheaton in the
new space (in Starfleet cadet uniform) saying "Don't be a dick."

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Harry Meier

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May 8, 2011, 8:03:11 PM5/8/11
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Here's a few non-prose for the list:

-Take ownership of your dreams.

-Safety may not be first, but it's in our top 10.

-"I don't know how", is not an excuse.

-Only you can prevent lab fires.

-Don't try this at home. Do it here.


Andrew Harris

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May 8, 2011, 8:29:17 PM5/8/11
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I like those, except for the ownership/dreams thing. I don't think it
fits with the others we've come up with.

Harry Meier

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May 8, 2011, 8:39:38 PM5/8/11
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In hindsight that does have a little bit of an intellectual property ring to it. I was thinking along the lines of, "Be responsible for the fruition of your own dreams. Bring it here and do it. Don't just sit around dreaming about that idea you could have done."

Andrew Harris

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May 8, 2011, 8:42:17 PM5/8/11
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"Talkers talk, and doers do. Be a doer, and do it here."

That one kind of sounds SRS BSNS though. :/

Scott

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May 17, 2011, 4:39:08 PM5/17/11
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Did this ever get resolved?

How does the mission statement play into this?  Does it need review?  (See: http://wiki.heatsynclabs.org/wiki/HeatSync_Labs)  It probably needs it's own page.

SB

David Huerta

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Written stuff falls under my office's duties, so I'll post a draft on
the wiki late Wednesday and ask for feedback.

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Jacob Rosenthal

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May 17, 2011, 6:50:41 PM5/17/11
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My goal here is 4 points we can post at the door to explain etiquette
and operation.

Sent from my iPhone

Scott Bailey

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May 17, 2011, 7:27:21 PM5/17/11
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From NYC Resistor's about page: 

What is NYC Resistor?

NYC Resistor – We Learn, Share, and Make things.

NYC Resistor is a hacker collective with a shared space located in Boerum Hill, Brooklyn. We meet regularly to share knowledge, hack on projects together, and build community. If you’re interested in joining NYC Resistor, come to some of our public meetings (like the study group listed below) or join the NYC Resistor mailing list.

I like the line: "We Learn, Share, and Make things."
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Jacob Rosenthal

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May 17, 2011, 8:13:23 PM5/17/11
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My real goal here was to begin to visualize what the first 5 steps inside the door of HeatSync will look like with us on such a public street.  How do we use those first 5 steps to educate our new community about who we are and how we work?

I think we've hit on a lot of that here, I really like Harry's addition:

"-Safety may not be first, but it's in our top 10."

I'm still in love with my first 6, but I wrote them :)

*Bring your work and your questions but most importantly your skills and knowledge.  This is a community.
*No one works here.  
*No one else is going to fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it. Please do it yourself or report it to the community.
*You can't 'hire' HeatSync Labs for a project, though you might approach one of our members to freelance for you!
*Support us! If you're getting value we offer many ways to support us--From elbow grease to donations and small purchases to monthly memberships!
*Be excellent to eachother.

With all this brainstorming, what should stay and what should go? 

Will Bradley

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One thing I've learned, being in IT and web dev, is that the people who MOST need to read a given paragraph of information generally don't read such things.

So, you have to trick them into absorbing it anyway. Short catchy phrases, bullet points, and iconic design help make this happen.

For example, the yellow warning sign on our door. People who don't read warning signs are the exact people we're worried about! But the fact that it's there, and yellow, and looks like a warning sign helps them subconsciously know "hey maybe I shouldn't let my 6 year old run in there" without having to read it all.

I think our welcome sign, if you will, should be similar. Maybe 20 words on the whole thing, and with a glance anyone should pretty much get it. Easier said than done, but my point is I want to boil our elegant prose down to a few words loaded with meaning so that Mr. Joe NeverBuiltAnythingInHisLife will peek his head in and quickly realize "oh! Here's a place where I could X Y or Z!"

I'll try to work on my suggestion tonight.

On May 17, 2011 5:13 PM, "Jacob Rosenthal" <jakero...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My real goal here was to begin to visualize what the first 5 steps inside
> the door of HeatSync will look like with us on such a public street. How do
> we use those first 5 steps to educate our new community about who we are and
> how we work?
>
> I think we've hit on a lot of that here, I really like Harry's addition:
>
> "-Safety may not be first, but it's in our top 10."
>
> I'm still in love with my first 6, but I wrote them :)
>
> *Bring your work and your questions but most importantly your skills and
> knowledge. This is a community.
> *No one works here.
> *No one else is going to fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it. Please
> do it yourself or report it to the community.
> *You can't 'hire' HeatSync Labs for a project, though you might approach one
> of our members to freelance for you!
> *Support us! If you're getting value we offer many ways to support us--From
> elbow grease to donations and small purchases to monthly memberships!
> *Be excellent to eachother.
>
> With all this brainstorming, what should stay and what should go?
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Scott Bailey <Bai...@insanegenius.org>wrote:
>
>> From NYC Resistor's about page:
>>
>> *What is NYC Resistor?*

>>
>> NYC Resistor – We Learn, Share, and Make things.
>>
>> NYC Resistor is a hacker collective with a shared space located in Boerum

David Huerta

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Some of those sounds like they should be placed in a seperate FAQ. Particularly the no one can hire HSL, etc.


----- Original message -----
> My real goal here was to begin to visualize what the first 5 steps inside
> the door of HeatSync will look like with us on such a public street.
> How do we use those first 5 steps to educate our new community about who
> we are and how we work?
>
> I think we've hit on a lot of that here, I really like Harry's addition:
>
> "-Safety may not be first, but it's in our top 10."
>
> I'm still in love with my first 6, but I wrote them :)
>
> *Bring your work and your questions but most importantly your skills and
> knowledge.  This is a community.
> *No one works here.
> *No one else is going to fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it.
> Please do it yourself or report it to the community.
> *You can't 'hire' HeatSync Labs for a project, though you might approach
> one of our members to freelance for you!
> *Support us! If you're getting value we offer many ways to support
> us--From elbow grease to donations and small purchases to monthly
> memberships! *Be excellent to eachother.
>
> With all this brainstorming, what should stay and what should go?
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Scott Bailey
> <Bai...@insanegenius.org>wrote:
>
> > From NYC Resistor's about page:
> >

> > *What is NYC Resistor?*

> >
> > NYC Resistor – We Learn, Share, and Make things.
> >
> > NYC Resistor is a hacker collective with a shared space located in
> > Boerum Hill,

Scott Bailey

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May 17, 2011, 8:43:08 PM5/17/11
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Exactly.

Scott Bailey

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Will Bradley

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I'm wondering how to convey a lot of those underlying sentiments in a short phrase, though, since nobody reads FAQs... Like "Heatsync can't be bought or sold." or maybe to use positive language, "Heatsync is you using tools to make things with others." etc. No need to dwell on what we're not until we define what we are.

Will Bradley

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May 17, 2011, 8:49:57 PM5/17/11
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Oh unless the FAQs are printed on a wall of course ;)

David Huerta

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May 17, 2011, 9:06:25 PM5/17/11
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Indeed; some of the points are tl;dr and I'll take a shot at shortening them into succint headlines tomorrow.

Robert Bell

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May 17, 2011, 9:17:02 PM5/17/11
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Create and Contribute more than you Consume.  

Don't step on anyone's dick.


Will Bradley

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Alright, how about this? I put everyone's feedback into one big document and mashed it together into something I could imagine being our "welcome sign." First issue I see with it is that I feel like people aren't going to read half of the wordy part, it gets kinda parent-y and my eyes glaze over right around "nobody else is going to."

Note: our welcome sign would, as of this draft, have the word "dick" on it.


HeatSync Labs is a "hackerspace," also known as a "makerspace."

Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and make things. There are no employees.

HeatSync is a member-supported 501(c)3 nonprofit.

Our Manifesto:

  • Don't try this at home. Do it here!

  • Less Talk, More Action.

  • Be a Maker, Not a Taker.

  • "I don't know how" is not an excuse.

  • Only you can prevent lab fires.

  • Don't be a dick.


    You can be a maker too! Here's how:

    1. Choose to be responsible for the fruition of your own dreams.

    2. Bring your work and your questions, but most importantly your skills and knowledge.

    3. Realize that nobody else is going to create it, fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it but you.

    4. Become free from the fear that your creations will benefit others more than yourself.

    5. Humbly offer to help others, so that you might learn, and so that others might help you.

Will Bradley

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May 20, 2011, 3:30:25 AM5/20/11
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BTW I'd like to see this written in chalk, dry erase, or something easily changeable so that it really is "for the community by the community."

Dylan

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May 20, 2011, 11:46:20 AM5/20/11
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I like this a lot just like it is.

Scott Bailey

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May 20, 2011, 11:55:50 AM5/20/11
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too wordy for the door.  Shouldn't the door be a simple invitation to come inside?

HeatSync Labs
Community Technology Education Center
member supported 501(c)3 nonprofit

and seriously "dick" does not belong on the door or in the first 10 feet of entry.  Not if we want to encourage youngsters.

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Harry Meier

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Possibly a less religious statement than don't be a dick. Don't want to offend any nonchristians.
http://store.penny-arcade.com/products/pat070181

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Dylan

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Whats wrong with the word dick? I have an uncle named Dick. Would you rather have "Don't be a meeeeeny pants?"

I like what Will put together. It says everything in short simple statements.

Jacob Rosenthal

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Scott:  My take is we have a current issue where noprofit community workshop does not explain what that actually means.

I agree on wordiness.  my take


HeatSync Labs is a "hackerspace,"  a  member-supported 501(c)3 nonprofit community workshop

Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and make things. There are no employees.

You can be a maker too! Here's how:

1. Choose to be responsible for the fruition of your own dreams.

2. Bring your work and your questions, but most importantly your skills and knowledge.

3. Realize that nobody else is going to create it, fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it but you.


Betsy Bailey

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May 20, 2011, 12:46:03 PM5/20/11
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I really like this version!

(Hi all! I'm new  here - married to Scott. We just joined HSL this past week.)

I could see the "manifesto" and remaining "how to be a maker" points as a separate list - or as individual tips, spaced randomly on the walls - around the lab.

I'm sure we can find another way to say "Be nice," without using genital slang. Or we could just NOT say it. It should go without saying. And some people are more sensitive than others; forthright to one person is dick to another. I'm all for individuals negotiating this amongst themselves, FWIW.

Jose Antonio Diaz

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I agree we should strike that. No it doesn't have to be "Don't be a meeeeny pants"

Jose

Harry Meier

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May 20, 2011, 2:16:54 PM5/20/11
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Probably just go back to "be excellent to one another". Lack of dickitude is implied.

Adriana Diaz

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May 20, 2011, 2:22:22 PM5/20/11
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I agree with Harry, something like, no negative attitudes allowed. Or
leave the attitude at home(?). Good luck and excited about the move;)

Sent from my iPhone

Will Bradley

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Nerds (myself included) can frequently lack some social graces and need to be reminded. Most of the problems our members run into amongst each other or with others seem to arise from someone forgetting to be gracious, so in interest of being a happy utopia of creativity I would like to see at least "be excellent to each other" on our list.

I do like the idea of having the two lists be somewhat separate. In the email it's one big list but I wrote it in two columns, manifesto on the left and how to be a maker on the right. I think both are valuable.

Jose Antonio Diaz

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May 20, 2011, 3:05:56 PM5/20/11
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Awesome Will Bradley :)

Jose Antonio Diaz

“For those that understand, no explanation is needed. For those that do not understand, no explanation is possible.”




David Huerta

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May 23, 2011, 5:41:24 AM5/23/11
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My take is here: http://wiki.heatsynclabs.org/wiki/Manifesto

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<jakero...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Will Bradley

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May 23, 2011, 6:12:20 PM5/23/11
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For those too lazy to click links, like me:

HeatSync Labs is a hackerspace; A member-supported 501(c)3 nonprofit community workshop. Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and make things. We have no employees, only volunteers and some protips:

  1. Build and finish your projects after you dream them up.
  2. Bring your work and your curiosity, but most importantly your skills and knowledge.
  3. Understand that no one else is going to create it, fix it, pick it up, clean it, or replace it but you.
  4. Be excellent to each other.

Harry Meier

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May 24, 2011, 3:04:52 PM5/24/11
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Minor edit for the internet meme illiterate. 

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Will Bradley <wi...@heatsynclabs.org> wrote:
For those too lazy to click links, like me:

HeatSync Labs is a hackerspace; A member-supported 501(c)3 nonprofit community workshop. Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and make things. We have no employees, only volunteers and a few tips:

jjrosent

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I really dont like 1. Build and finish your projects after you dream
them up.
It seems vague and ackward. I -think- the spirit of it was FINISH
SOMETHING, but I'm not sure that comes across. Also I miss

-Safety may not be first, but it's in our top 10.

or something along those lines. maybe in our top 3?



On May 23, 3:12 pm, Will Bradley <w...@heatsynclabs.org> wrote:
> For those too lazy to click links, like me:
>
> HeatSync Labs is a hackerspace; A member-supported 501(c)3 nonprofit
> community workshop. Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and
> make things. We have no employees, only volunteers and some protips:
>
>    1. Build and finish your projects after you dream them up.
>    2. Bring your work and your curiosity, but most importantly your skills
>    and knowledge.
>    3. Understand that no one else is going to create it, fix it, pick it up,
>    clean it, or replace it but you.
>    4. Be excellent to each other.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:41 AM, David Huerta <huerta...@heatsynclabs.org>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > My take is here:http://wiki.heatsynclabs.org/wiki/Manifesto
>
> > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Jacob Rosenthal
> > <jakerosent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Scott:  My take is we have a current issue where noprofit community
> > workshop
> > > does not explain what that actually means.
> > > I agree on wordiness.  my take
>
> > > HeatSync Labs is a "hackerspace,"  a  member-supported 501(c)3
> > > nonprofit community workshop
>
> > > Hackerspaces are places for people to learn, share, and make things.
> > There
> > > are no employees.
>
> > > You can be a maker too! Here's how:
>
> > > 1. Choose to be responsible for the fruition of your own dreams.
>
> > > 2. Bring your work and your questions, but most importantly your skills
> > and
> > > knowledge.
>
> > > 3. Realize that nobody else is going to create it, fix it, pick it up,
> > clean
> > > it, or replace it but you.
>

Scott Bailey

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In our litigious society, safety as anything but #1 carries risk.  I don't think it's worth the risk to describe it any other way. Far better, I think, is "safety is everyone's responsibility" AND to live by that.

SB
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Will Bradley

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May 25, 2011, 2:02:29 PM5/25/11
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Indeed, it implies that we find it acceptable to, say, light something on fire without first checking to ensure we won't burn somebody's face off. Individually if you feel like joking about safety I can't say it's not funny, but organizationally and for me personally my throat goes into my stomach whenever I see someone with long hair near the lathe or a flame being held over wooden furniture. A culture of safety is a good thing.

Harry Meier

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May 25, 2011, 2:09:29 PM5/25/11
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Indeed safety is important, but what I and Jacob like about this statement is that we are not a part to the culture of fear that for example, keeps kids sheltered from doing real science in schools and keeps researchers from controlled medical experiments without the review of 3 phds and 2 insurance companies. Progress can and will come before safety where it makes sense to do so.

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Will Bradley

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May 25, 2011, 2:22:38 PM5/25/11
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What keeps that progress from happening isn't the insurance companies themselves, but the culture of fear in the bureaucracies at schools. How do we communicate that we are not afraid of progress and encourage kids to get hands-on without implying that we are throwing proper caution to the wind?

Maybe "a safe attitude and behavior are important, but we also know that there is no substitute for getting your hands dirty and taking a few risks in the name of progress and learning"?

Scott Bailey

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May 25, 2011, 2:45:48 PM5/25/11
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"Safety is NOT first" is an open door for litigation.

And wrong.

Risk and reward are intertwined, learning to take the right kind of risks is important.

SB

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Harry Meier <hjm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed safety is important, but what I and Jacob like about this statement is that we are not a part to the culture of fear that for example, keeps kids sheltered from doing real science in schools and keeps researchers from controlled medical experiments without the review of 3 phds and 2 insurance companies. Progress can and will come before safety where it makes sense to do so.

On May 25, 2011 10:56 AM, "Will Bradley" <wi...@heatsynclabs.org> wrote:



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Jasper Nance

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May 25, 2011, 2:49:33 PM5/25/11
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Something like... "Safety redefine to exclude fear and beaurocracy and
promote intelligent and reasonable risk-taking to further an important
goal."

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Harry Meier

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May 25, 2011, 2:51:03 PM5/25/11
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I think we're on the same page here, but how do we state that taking the right kind of risk is important without sounding like we're a bunch of redneck scofflaw insurance company nightmares?

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Will Bradley

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May 25, 2011, 2:51:52 PM5/25/11
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On one end there's an argument that we shouldn't hinder ourselves from accomplishing things because of fear. On the other, there's the very real reality that unsupervised children around an open flame would be a horrible idea. So somewhere in the middle is "keeping people reasonably safe while letting them learn and accomplish." I like Jasper's thought there.

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Zachary Giles

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This is what Ace Monster Toys says about safety:
http://flic.kr/p/9LWAAA
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Scott Bailey

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May 25, 2011, 3:11:41 PM5/25/11
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We don't need to say anything.

It is enough to provide adequate safety education, access to deadly equipment, and keep an eye out for everyone. 

SB
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David Huerta

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May 25, 2011, 4:41:52 PM5/25/11
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Safety is already an expectation when using Serious Business
equipment. I sugggest rewording that whole point to:

"There are two types of technology: The kind that can kill you and the
kind that can't. Use caution with the former."

Or maybe just leaving it out of the manifesto and just including
verbage by the equipment itself.

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Moheeb Zara

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Rick Blake

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" "There are two types of technology: The kind that can kill you and the
kind that can't. Use caution with the former.""

There are many sorts of technology - 

Some can merely annoy you. Some can pinch or poke or dent you, no real lasting harm.

Some may draw blood, and with that any number of insults can ensue. 

Some, sadly, can maim you - sometimes permanently, sometimes with debilitating impact.

And some can indeed kill you. 

Simplifications are not so useful. The Lab is not a 'physically safe space'. Even stuff you did not intend to touch can hurt, Be aware of your surroundings, of who is doing what, and consider:

- Try not to interrupt or distract someone who is working with potentially dangerous equipment. They can be injured due to a moment's inattention. 

- If you're new to some technology, ask. We will help you use it safely, and hopefully effectively as well!

- If you are not sure, stop and think it through. No one is perfect.

Death is not the only outcome of an accident. We do not want you to be hurt. We do not even want you to be discouraged. Ask, and you will, hopefully, be answered.



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