Proposal: Public Website Refresh

[Brett Neese]

Some folks are working on the member's site, but Moheeb and I have been hacking away at a new public website too. Preview here. Screenshot here (the keyword rotates, sort of like a digital version of the the "'hack'/'sew'/'weld'/'3d print' (etc) with us" posters we have):

Submitting this as a proposal and submitting it early because it does affect the lab in general and I want to get feedback. One of the goals of this redesign is to make it easier/possible for us to gather our content i.e. through a blog and share the content we do have nicely.

I plan on introducing it on January 8 HYH. Feel free to discuss here but if you want to geek out about details and/or have a nerd battle I would ask that we take it to GitHub PR and/or your nearest jousting field. 

I'm a little biased, but I think it's a good internet webpage. Thanks to Moheeb for most of the work and thanks to Al Gore for inventing the internet. 

Brett

[Eric Ose]

Awesome! Thanks for all the work everyone.

It might be time to stop showing the image of me working with an open flame inside of the old space. Preferably people don't repeat bad behaviors. Make your fire tornadoes outside like a responsible adult that I wasn't at that time.

Eric Ose

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It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.

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[Eric Ose]

Really like having the calendar items more visible. The month view is important, but very limited.

I also think the exclusivity statements are great.

Eric Ose

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It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.

[Eric Ose]

LOL inclusive statements. NOT exclusivity. That was autocomplete or something.

Eric Ose

Robot Ambassador

It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.

[David Lang]

Eric Ose wrote:

> LOL inclusive statements. NOT exclusivity. That was autocomplete or
> something.

unfortunantly, when you start listing who is welcomed, you start implying that
others aren't welcome.

I would prefer "we don't care about..." rather than a list of "we welcome ..."
statements.

In theory, they should be equivalent, in practice, the 'we welcome...' approach
has beome political.

David Lang

> Eric Ose
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> It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 9:29 PM Eric Ose <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Really like having the calendar items more visible. The month view is
>> important, but very limited.
>>
>> I also think the exclusivity statements are great.
>>
>> Eric Ose

>> Robot Ambassador <https://www.azrobotambassador.com/>

>> It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 9:09 PM Eric Ose <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome! Thanks for all the work everyone.
>>>
>>> It might be time to stop showing the image of me working with an open
>>> flame inside of the old space. Preferably people don't repeat bad
>>> behaviors. Make your fire tornadoes outside like a responsible adult that I
>>> wasn't at that time.
>>>
>>> Eric Ose

>>> Robot Ambassador <https://www.azrobotambassador.com/>

>>> It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 8:43 PM Brett Neese <br...@neese.rocks> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some folks are working on the member's site, but Moheeb and I have been
>>>> hacking away at a new public website too. Preview here

>>>> <https://heatsynclabs.brettneese.com/>. Screenshot here (the keyword

>>>> rotates, sort of like a digital version of the the "'hack'/'sew'/'weld'/'3d
>>>> print' (etc) with us" posters we have):
>>>>

>>>> [image: CleanShot 2025-12-12 at 20.3...@2x.png]

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Submitting this as a proposal and submitting it early because it does
>>>> affect the lab in general and I want to get feedback. One of the goals of
>>>> this redesign is to make it easier/possible for us to gather our content
>>>> i.e. through a blog and share the content we do have nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I plan on introducing it on January 8 HYH. Feel free to discuss here but
>>>> if you want to geek out about details and/or have a nerd battle I would ask
>>>> that we take it to GitHub PR

>>>> <https://github.com/heatsynclabs/new-hsl/pull/203> and/or your nearest

>>>> jousting field.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little biased, but I think it's a good internet webpage. Thanks to
>>>> Moheeb for most of the work and thanks to Al Gore for inventing the
>>>> internet.
>>>>
>>>> Brett
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>>>>
>>>
>
>

[Rick Blake]

Reading the " I would prefer "we don't care about..." rather than a list of "we welcome ..."
statements."

and

"In theory, they should be equivalent, in practice, the 'we welcome...' approach
has beome political."

I immediately thought that a statement of Heatsync Labs' 'welcoming all' might be, as pointed out, implicitly excluding or even identifying groups etc.

Perhaps a statement that we, as a makerspace, are not focused on identity, beyond that of a 'maker' (or other). I'm not sure though that works any better than explicitly stating we welcome all, anyone who wants to make something, learn how to, or just find out what is going on here.

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[Eric Ose]

David L,

Can you write up the way you would prefer it be written?

I'm having trouble picturing how a "we don't care about" message compares to a message that we welcome people. It may just be too early and I also have a busy day.

For context this below message is the part I liked. Also while everyone is chiming in comment on other things about the design you like or would tweak.

We welcome and encourage:

• LGBTQ+ makers
• Makers of color
• Women and nonbinary folks
• Neurodivergent people
• Young makers and makers who are young at heart
• Beginners who've never touched a tool
• Anyone ready to learn and build
• Anyone looking to MAKE COOL STUFF TOGETHER

Eric Ose

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It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.

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[Robert Bushman]

I'm a tall, white, affluent, fit, self-assured, cis, male. I have zero
times in my life felt excluded from public-oriented spaces in the US. I
don't need anyone to tell me I'm welcome.

That is not true for the majority of people in the United States. The
majority of people in the US have one or more characteristic that has
been used agaainst them on main street USA, over and over again, for
their entire life.

"We Welcome Everyone" is not exclusionary. It is a way of telling the
majority of people that they will not be treated as second class
participants.

On 12/13/25 16:12, Eric Ose wrote:
> David L,
> Can you write up the way you would prefer it be written?
> I'm having trouble picturing how a "we don't care about" message
> compares to a message that we welcome people. It may just be too early
> and I also have a busy day.
>
> For context this below message is the part I liked. Also while everyone
> is chiming in comment on other things about the design you like or would
> tweak.
>
>
> We welcome and encourage:
>

> * LGBTQ+ makers
> * Makers of color
> * Women and nonbinary folks
> * Neurodivergent people
> * Young makers and makers who are young at heart
> * Beginners who've never touched a tool
> * Anyone ready to learn and build
> * Anyone looking to MAKE COOL STUFF TOGETHER
>
>
>
> Eric Ose

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>
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[Brett Neese]

I don’t feel welcome at a lot of places in the US or abroad. It’s partially imposter syndrome, not so much identity based. Yes, that means it’s in my head. I went to live abroad for half a decade to get over it. At least then when I did something goofy or wrong my excuse was that I was a silly gringo who didn’t speak the language. I avoided even visiting Crash space in LA for a year, which is probably the best most welcoming space I’ve been involved in, because I wasn’t sure if I’d be welcome due to my particular interests and quirks.  

We have had a sign on the front door for years that says We Welcome Everyone. This is the digital version of that. If you feel that that makes the space feel exclusionary, then maybe you should look inward, particularly if you are in a position of power in the organization.

It also answers a lot of the questions we get - are minors welcome? What about beginners? These questions were questions we get when we pretty often when doing tours and when running surveys. Putting it front and center as something we not only encourage but value is actually fairly critical if we want the space to succeed long term. We’re on very thin ice, we need to diversify our membership base to stave off any potential economic headwinds.

That being said, I’m open to changing the wording if we have some serious suggestions. It’s already softened from the original draft by Moheeb. I agree that DEI-ish language is a little cringe at times and has become politicized. I still think something to this effect is important for the reasons above.

And anyway, it’s on GitHub, anyone can put in a PR to change it now or in the future. That’s kind of the idea with this refresh. 

I also see very little other feedback about many other aspects of the website itself.

Brett

(Speaking as a member, not a board member.)

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[Darrell Wertz]

To David L's comments. I follow the activity at Xerocraft in Tucson and their website is completely void of any demographic preference. They were not that way several years ago. It may be good to ask them how they got to that conclusion.

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[SM Newstead]

I see Bob's perspective, but I slightly disagree. Not about being welcome, but about how people use resources. If I see something that is for a vulnerable group of people, I will NOT use their services so I save them for the vulnerable people who have nowhere else to go. Kind of like a food bank, you know? I'm not going to go steal resources from minorities who have nowhere else to receive services. 

I could furthermore see the argument that we don't welcome old people by saying you have to be "young at heart." What if I'm curmudgeonly at heart, lol? There is also only one type of disability listed. 

Even though I logically know "we welcome x" does NOT imply "we do not welcome not x," because not all rectangles are squares, in PRACTICE, people always make this mistake and do interpret it this way. I think this is what some people are saying here. 

Maybe we can tweak it to say we want everyone else from every walk of life who is nice and wants to make with us. 

Broadly, I think inviting underserved people is a great idea. I agree the approach can be modified. This is what we've needed for a long time. Let's try and make this happen in a way that's comfortable. 

[David Lang]

Eric Ose wrote:

> David L,
> Can you write up the way you would prefer it be written?

rather than 'we welcome beginners', 'we don't care how much experience you have'
or 'we don't care acout your experience'

something along those lines.

David Lang

> I'm having trouble picturing how a "we don't care about" message compares
> to a message that we welcome people. It may just be too early and I also
> have a busy day.
>
> For context this below message is the part I liked. Also while everyone is
> chiming in comment on other things about the design you like or would tweak.
>
> We welcome and encourage:
>

> - LGBTQ+ makers
> - Makers of color
> - Women and nonbinary folks
> - Neurodivergent people
> - Young makers and makers who are young at heart
> - Beginners who've never touched a tool
> - Anyone ready to learn and build
> - Anyone looking to MAKE COOL STUFF TOGETHER
>
>
>
> Eric Ose

>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/heatsynclabs/CALSEc_dVC8ph1Xwd-2KwDFp8MuawcMK-JLYuSka_STSYfAKFrg%40mail.gmail.com
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>> .
>>
>
>

[SM Newstead]

I can see that argument. It sort of implies our mission is targeting the underserved instead of targeting everyone and all the underserved are welcome and safe. I prefer a sort of way to say it that's "positive" instead of a "don't care" statement, though. I'm sure we'll come up with something great. I don't want only beginners either! 

[Darrell Wertz]

Great discussion here.. After reading all of the opinions, my recommendation is to keep it simple.

ALL ARE WELCOME!

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[Katy Osterwald]

Some suggestions from the AI overlords:

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Open Doors. Open Tools. Open Minds.

This is a community makerspace for people who want to make things, learn how things work, share knowledge, and collaborate respectfully.

You don’t need prior experience, special credentials, or a particular background to belong here. Curiosity, kindness, and a willingness to learn are what matter most.

If you’re here to build, explore, teach, or figure something out, you’re welcome.

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 A community workshop for curious people who want to make things.

Beginners welcome. Respect required. Tools provided.

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[Darrell Wertz]

Too much AI being used.... Here's my AI result LOL.

"All are welcome" means a space or event is open and inclusive, inviting everyone regardless of background, beliefs, or identity, conveying acceptance and a lack of judgment, though sometimes interpretations vary, especially in religious or community settings where practicalities or specific doctrines might create subtle exceptions. It signifies a commitment to diversity and equity, signaling that people should feel safe to be themselves and participate fully. 

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[Eric Ose]

To focus on more of the website I want to point out I like that it maintains that doors open feature from the old site.

I think it would be cool to make more of a change to the website for increased visibility since open is pretty small. Making the entire page turn green might not look good, but perhaps someone familiar with web design could think of something. It would highlight that we are open or draw peoples attention to where it says we are open.

Eric Ose

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It's just an idea until there's a date and time included.

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[David Lang]

Katy Osterwald wrote:

> Open Doors. Open Tools. Open Minds.
>
> This is a community makerspace for people who want to make things, learn
> how things work, share knowledge, and collaborate respectfully.
>
> You don’t need prior experience, special credentials, or a particular
> background to belong here. Curiosity, kindness, and a willingness to learn
> are what matter most.
>
> If you’re here to build, explore, teach, or figure something out, you’re
> welcome.

I like this one.

David Lang

[Moheeb Zara]

From the bylaws: "The following behaviors are not tolerated within our community:

Violence, threats of violence, or violent language directed at another person.
Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, or otherwise discriminatory jokes, language, or personal insults."

HeatSync Labs’ mission includes radical inclusivity. Research and lived experience consistently show that visible signals of welcome make marginalized and vulnerable groups feel safer and more comfortable participating. I do not believe this will be interpreted as exclusionary. I am involved in many communities that explicitly signal inclusivity, and cisgender white people continue to show up and feel comfortable in those spaces.

I understand the argument that naming women and queer people as welcome can feel unnecessary to some. I disagree with that position and do not intend to remove the language. At most, the wording can be adjusted slightly to clarify that this does not mean only certain groups are welcome, but rather that those groups are explicitly included.

This should not be framed as a proposal. The website falls under the scope of do-ocracy and is being maintained by the people actively doing that work. I appreciate alternatives being offered instead of attempts to block the change, but I do not find those alternatives sufficient.

This is not a political statement. It is a clear message to people who have historically been targeted or harmed that they will be welcomed, accepted, and protected here. If that premise itself is objectionable, this thread is not the appropriate place to argue it.

Through years of involvement in creative, maker, DIY, and developer communities across Arizona and beyond, I can say with confidence that marginalized people make up a significant portion of these spaces, especially locally. I have seen firsthand how explicit signaling improves participation and trust. Punk venues are a good example. They signal loudly and consistently, and cisgender people who are not people of color still show up and feel fine.

In my experience, the only people who perceive queer-friendly signaling as exclusionary are those who are uncomfortable with or unwilling to accept queer people in the first place. That conclusion comes directly from lived experience, not theory.

[SM Newstead]

What about what I said, though? I said that if I see something is explicitly FOR a certain group of people, as a relatively privileged person, I am NOT going to go and take resources from them. I'm not going to contribute to their feeling of unsafety by being there. I absolutely view it as exclusionary in many cases, and that's okay for certain venues. I certainly accept and want queer people, so your characterization is a bit of an assumption on the ethos of why people might pass our space up. Like I said, only hungry people should use food banks, and many people will not take food out of someone's mouth, especially if there's no other food bank for those vulnerable people. 

[Moheeb Zara]

The most I'm willing to add is "- People of all backgrounds, genders, and cultural heritage"

so it would be 

We explicitly welcome:

• People of all backgrounds, genders, and cultural heritage
• LGBTQ+ makers
• People of color

• Women and nonbinary folks
• Neurodivergent people

• Beginners who've never touched a tool

• Anyone ready to learn and build

On Saturday, December 13, 2025 at 12:10:30 PM UTC-7 Moheeb Zara wrote:

[SM Newstead]

If you're going to include ND people, you damn well be including all disabilities, lol. We welcome people with disabilities including ND people. Anyway, I created a channel of this on Slack, like you said to move it out of public! Added you guys in this thread except Katy (wouldn't let me). 

[Eric Ose]

Moheeb did not suggest moving that discussion out of the public. He said "If that premise itself is objectionable, this thread is not the appropriate place to argue it."

I presume a new thread can be made rather than moving into a more exclusive conversation.

I'm hopeful to hear views on other parts of the website in this thread.

Eric Ose

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[Brett Neese]

Wording can and will be changed, especially over time, and without proposals (that's kind of the point - to make it easier for people to add new pages and content so we can grow our digital presence.) 

There's an active Slack discussion happening if you'd like to focus on discussing that section.I'm confident we'll find a nice compromise before this is finalized. So I'd also suggest this thread to focus on the new site as a whole.

What else can we do to make the new site better?

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[David Lang]

Brett Neese wrote:

> What else can we do to make the new site better?

please include a 'dark mode' option

David Lang

[Brett Neese]

that's a great idea!

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[David Lang]

Brett Neese wrote:

> What else can we do to make the new site better?

have you tested it on non-standard screens? (phones, tablets, including e-ink,
etc)

David Lang

[Moheeb Zara]

Gonna add a Snark Mode that makes everything sponge-mock-case. 

[Moheeb Zara]

the version with original hero section is mobile responsive, I think what brett added (the orange with the segmented images) needs to be redesigned a bit. for mobile. 

[Linda Krecker]

As the goal is to discuss aspects of the website: 

Change the wording to “… mad scientists and artists”. There is no need to repeat “mad” and it bad grammar. 

I agree with the idea to add a “the door is open” notification on the front page.  It encourages people to stop by. 

Linda S K Brett, Ph.D.

Artist  |  Educator

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The Art Doc 

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[Rick Blake]

Two things...

One, I think nontrivial website changes require proposals. This is a public-facing similar in scope and impact to logo and graphics. Indeed, those are key elements of website design. 

Second, I've found that I don't like people assigning me gender identities or descriptions I do not, myself, either choose or accept. This specifically includes using terminology not of my choosing, and have expressed my distaste for and rejection of. And I find myself minimizing my reactions, because this becomes a contentious issue, and divides more than it benefits. I'm accepting this because the organization is more important to me than my feelings. I don't expect that of others. I expect no reward or appreciation. I want the organization to grow, evolve, and be better. If I weren't confident it could be, I would not be here.

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[Moheeb Zara]

I've improved styling and I changed the wording. is this satisfactory? 

[Rick Blake]

I wasn't criticizing the updated design, I think this is properly presented as a proposal. But I would but for this as it appears. 

There's always been a 'doors are open' item on the webpage, not very prominent. That would be nice.

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[Moheeb Zara]

yeah theres a door open indicator on the top! when closed it also says when it will be open next :) Plus the calendar design is much nicer and more customizable. 

[Jay McGavren]

This is amazing!

By the way, the old site said "doors are open, come on down". I'm glad the new site just indicates they are open.

I thought it was potentially problematic to indicate that non-members were automatically welcome every time the doors were open. Sometimes they are open for an event like Young Makers, where it would be preferable that the space be relatively quiet. I don't think we want to encourage people to come use the band saw while e.g. the Android developers' meetup is happening.

-Jay

[Ryan Mcdermott]

This looks great, all!

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