Looking for 480V 3phase outlet to test a control system

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Heather

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Nov 12, 2022, 8:37:53 PM11/12/22
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Do any of you gentlemen or ladies know where in Phoenix metro or driving distance I might be able to find a 480V 3-phase outlet I can use to test the temperature control system pictured below?

I am not looking to draw high power, just looking to verify that this system made of eBay parts works before I take it across the country and put it on a prototype.

In case anyone is idly curious what this is for, I'm building a system that takes in natural gas, and heats it to stupidly high temperatures, which breaks it into solid carbon and hydrogen gas. The hydrogen will go into a big natural gas fired power plant, and the carbon will be thankfully not making CO2 emissions. I keep melting parts of the system that heats up the gas, so the next logical step is installing this active temperature controller. But as I said, it's made of eBay junk so I don't want to just expect it to work without putting it through its paces ahead of time.

Thanks in advance!

Heather Jackson


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Smith Hayward

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Nov 13, 2022, 10:57:20 AM11/13/22
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Unfortunately I am one of the idly curious demographic. Is this a currently mass-used process? Something you came up with? 

I’m so interested in just understanding it more. Like, is the gas basically being sublimated? But that’s probably not the word bc as I understand, sublimation is the process by which a solid becomes a gas without first becoming a liquid. 

What’s the difference in BTU output when combusting just the hydrogen versus the whole hydrocarbon? Ok gotta go quench the brain…

- Smith

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Heather

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Nov 13, 2022, 12:24:03 PM11/13/22
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Smith, nice to meet you! Thanks for asking.
The process is called pyrolysis, which generally means heating a chemical compound up to high enough temperatures that the atoms vibrate apart.
This tech was demonstrated at lab scale in the 1960's. My team and I are scaling it up for a 45 MW power plant, which is about enough to power 20,000 homes. The temperature controller is for our mid-scale prototype, which is 1000X bigger than lab scale, but 100X too small for the power plant. For every 1 BTU that the power plant needs from the clean hydrogen we're making, we will need to expend 1.4 BTU of natural gas. You could burn the solid carbon to recover the extra 0.4 BTU, but that would make CO2, which is what we're paying that 0.4 BTU penalty to avoid.
Heather

Robert Bushman

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Nov 13, 2022, 12:45:42 PM11/13/22
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I always enjoy your explanations. You have quite a skill for making
complicated things intuitive.

Matt McDonald

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Nov 14, 2022, 10:45:02 PM11/14/22
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Evening Heather, 

I'm not sure if this would be compatible with your equipment, but if you have the budget, 220V single phase to 3 phase VFD's are $90 on amazon and I have two single phase 220:480 transformers in my garage that you could wire open-delta to get 480.  Let me know what you think.  

Thanks,
Matt

Heather

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Nov 16, 2022, 8:09:56 AM11/16/22
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Matt, thanks so much for the offer - I will check compatibility. I have been eyeing those VFDs as a possible solution if I can't find the right power outlet.  I have one benchtop transformer that I bought hoping I could test with just one phase.

What part of the city are you in? And have we met before? I used to work with a brilliant, creative problem-solver of an engineer by your name at APS.

Best regards,

Heather Jackson

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Matt McDonald

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Nov 17, 2022, 10:52:46 PM11/17/22
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Heather, I tried sending you a DM, but I don't see it anywhere in my sent folder.  Let me know if you didn't get it.

Thanks,
Matt
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