All - you might like to see my updated interactive visualization of climate forcing data used by the IPCC in their reports. Today I added data from 2025:
(Data from Forster et al, University of Leeds, UK, via Github.)
On the so-called energy transition, Mark Mills makes the most sense to me:
Clive
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Good question John, which made me think for a while.
The answer below from Gemini is much as I thought:
In short: Radiative forcing (RF) data is calculated using a specific reference temperature profile (usually the pre-industrial state), but the definition itself requires holding the surface temperature constant to isolate the "push" from the greenhouse gas. While the values are "roughly correct" for Earth-like conditions, they are not universal constants; they would change significantly if Earth’s baseline temperature were substantially different.
Most "best-estimate" forcing data is calculated using the Earth’s state in the year 1750 as the baseline (IPCC, 2021).
Effective Radiative Forcing (ERF): This is the modern standard used by the IPCC. It allows "rapid adjustments" (like the stratosphere and troposphere warming up slightly or clouds shifting) but strictly holds the global mean surface temperature constant (Smith et al., 2020).
My chart uses ERF data from Forster et al, all of which we can assume is calculated for the baseline mean surface temperature of 1750. This applies to all ERF data including volcanic and solar forcings (‘Natural’ in my chart). ERF data is not perfect, but close enough to be considered useful. That’s how I understand it.
N.B. So, given that baseline temperature is assumed, there is no accounting for feedbacks such as water vapour or cloud and sea-ice feedbacks.
Someone from the Forster team confirmed to me that their ERF forcings can be simply added, which is what my interactive chart does. Page 2 enables different forcings to be selected in isolation and displayed separately or added together depending on the Detail Level selected:

Here’s a more friendly link to it: Interactive Radiative Forcings Chart - 6 pages
(Error bars are calculated as approximations.)
Clive Elsworth
Dissecting the CERES data does show an increase in outgoing long wave radiation from the Planck effect you suggest. Interestingly though the increase is not coming from clear sky areas since the GHG accumulation seems to be rising fast enough to counter the increase in radiation from the surface. The increase is coming from long wave radiation from clouds. I think there are two reasons for this, firstly clouds are warming up and also condensing at higher altitudes so releasing their latent heat with less of an air barrier to pass through the GHGs before reaching space. The value is big though, since 2000 cloudy area long wave outgoing radiation has increased by 0.88W/m2. This is despite the drop in cloud area over the same time which is roughly 1.5million km2 of average global annual cloud cover (roughly the land area of Mongolia).
I’ve an article breaking it down here: https://drtomharris.substack.com/p/earths-energy-imbalance-quarter-century
Tom
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On 4 May 2026, at 11:19, John Nissen <johnnis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Clive,But you've not quite understood the question. As the planet warms, it produces more thermal radiation. This extra radiation power can be calculated in W/m2 using Boltzman's formula assuming it is effectively black-body radiation. This is then masked by GHGs such that the increase in thermal radiation output from the planet is much less than calculated. If a baseline of 1750 is used by IPCC, it suggests that the increase in thermal radiation has been ignored. I would like to see an extra line in the graph for natural cooling through extra thermal output, as opposed to volcanoes etc.When you look at the CERES satellite data, it measures all thermal output. As the planet has warmed considerably over the 20 years of data, the thermal output may have actually decreased. I would need to examine the data more closely. Nobody seems to have distinguished between the black-body radiation effect and the GHG masking effect in the total thermal output (longwave radiation).Having said all that, the important thing for our future is to react to the extraordinary decrease in outgoing shortwave radiation due to the planet's decreased albedo over recent years, markedly affecting the Earth's Energy Imbalance. It is commensurate with a reduction in SO2 from ships and planes, and the CERES location data supports this. Ships and planes should have tanks of less refined fuel which they can use when away from populated areas where the SO2 could harm health. The SO2 from the refinement process should go into the stratosphere for maximum cooling effect!Cheers, John
On Mon, May 4, 2026 at 8:51 AM Clive Elsworth <Cl...@endorphinsoftware.co.uk> wrote:
Good question John, which made me think for a while.
The answer below from Gemini is much as I thought:
In short: Radiative forcing (RF) data is calculated using a specific reference temperature profile (usually the pre-industrial state), but the definition itself requires holding the surface temperature constant to isolate the "push" from the greenhouse gas. While the values are "roughly correct" for Earth-like conditions, they are not universal constants; they would change significantly if Earth’s baseline temperature were substantially different.
Most "best-estimate" forcing data is calculated using the Earth’s state in the year 1750 as the baseline (IPCC, 2021).
Effective Radiative Forcing (ERF): This is the modern standard used by the IPCC. It allows "rapid adjustments" (like the stratosphere and troposphere warming up slightly or clouds shifting) but strictly holds the global mean surface temperature constant (Smith et al., 2020).
My chart uses ERF data from Forster et al, all of which we can assume is calculated for the baseline mean surface temperature of 1750. This applies to all ERF data including volcanic and solar forcings (‘Natural’ in my chart). ERF data is not perfect, but close enough to be considered useful. That’s how I understand it.
N.B. So, given that baseline temperature is assumed, there is no accounting for feedbacks such as water vapour or cloud and sea-ice feedbacks.
Someone from the Forster team confirmed to me that their ERF forcings can be simply added, which is what my interactive chart does. Page 2 enables different forcings to be selected in isolation and displayed separately or added together depending on the Detail Level selected:
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Sorry Clive, the “natural graph” (basically solar radiation variability at the ground) how do you define “fast oxidizable” and “slow oxidizable” categories below?
Sorry sent too soon. The “natural” line is clear, and includes volcanic eruptions with the strongest being Krakatoa and the strongest of all, Tambora, missing off the time scale.
Are “fast oxidizable” and “slow oxidizable” based on gases that react quickly or slowly with reactive oxygen free radicals, such as nitrogen and sulfur gases versus methane?
Hi John
You said: “Nobody seems to have distinguished between the black-body radiation effect and the GHG masking effect in the total thermal output (longwave radiation).”
I asked Gemini AI: “What are the most accessible papers that distinguish between and explain the black-body radiation effect and the GHG masking effect that results in Earth's total thermal output (longwave radiation)?”
Here’s its answer:
Distinguishing between the black-body radiation effect (often called the Planck response) and the greenhouse gas (GHG) masking effect is fundamental to understanding Earth's energy balance. While the black-body effect dictates how much energy a surface wants to radiate based on its temperature, the GHG masking effect determines how much of that energy actually escapes to space.
1. Conceptual Distinction
· The Black-body Radiation Effect (Planck Response): Based on the Stefan-Boltzmann Law ($j^* = \sigma T^4$), any object with a temperature $T$ emits thermal radiation. As Earth's surface warms, it emits significantly more infrared energy. This is a powerful "stabilizing feedback" because it allows the planet to shed excess heat quickly as it warms (IPCC, 2021).
· The GHG Masking Effect (Greenhouse Effect): Greenhouse gases like $CO_2$ and $H_2O$ are opaque to specific frequencies of this infrared radiation. They absorb the "upward" thermal energy from the warm surface and re-emit it at the colder temperatures of the upper atmosphere. Because the emission to space now comes from a colder layer, the total thermal output (Outgoing Longwave Radiation, or OLR) is reduced or "masked" compared to what the surface originally emitted (Jeevanjee et al., 2021).
2. Most Accessible Papers
The following papers are widely regarded by educators and researchers for their clarity in separating these two mechanisms.
A. The Best General Overview: Pierrehumbert (2011)
Raymond Pierrehumbert’s article in Physics Today is arguably the most cited "accessible" explanation of planetary temperature.
· Key Distinction: He explains the "energy balance" by showing that the greenhouse effect doesn't just "trap" heat; it shifts the top-of-atmosphere (TOA) emission point to a higher, colder altitude. He clearly separates the "black-body" emission of the surface from the "atmospheric insulation" provided by GHGs.
· Why it’s accessible: It uses clear analogies (like the "stratified" atmosphere) and focuses on the fundamental physics rather than complex climate modeling code.
Source: Pierrehumbert, R. T. (2011). Infrared radiation and planetary temperature. Physics Today, 64(1), 33–38. https://doi.org/10.1063/1.3541943 (Cited by: 120+)
B. The "Spectral Masking" Perspective: Jeevanjee et al. (2021)
This paper is unique because it introduces the term "spectral masking" to describe why Earth’s warming doesn't look like a simple black-body shift from space.
· Key Distinction: The authors show that while the surface warms and tries to emit more energy (the black-body effect), the increased humidity ($H_2O$ is a GHG) "masks" that extra emission in specific spectral bands. This "masking" is why the net increase in OLR is much smaller than the $T^4$ law would suggest for the surface alone.
· Why it’s accessible: It provides beautiful, "colorful" visualizations of the infrared spectrum that make the abstract concept of "forcing" immediately intuitive.
Source: Jeevanjee, N., Seeley, J. T., Payne, A. E., & Fueglistaler, S. (2021). A colorful look at climate sensitivity. Physics Today, 74(4), 40–46. https://doi.org/10.1063/PT.3.4724
C. The Formal Framework: IPCC AR6 (2021)
For the most precise definitions used in modern science, Chapter 7 of the Sixth Assessment Report is the definitive source.
· Key Distinction: It formally defines the Planck Feedback (the black-body response) as the primary stabilizing factor of the climate and distinguishes it from Radiative Forcing (the masking effect of GHGs). It explains that the "Effective Radiative Forcing" is the net result of the GHG mask minus the initial atmospheric adjustments (IPCC, 2021).
· Why it’s accessible: While the full report is massive, the "Executive Summary" and "Frequently Asked Questions" (FAQ 7.1) sections of Chapter 7 are written specifically for a broad audience.
Source: IPCC. (2021). The Earth's Energy Budget, Climate Feedbacks, and Climate Sensitivity. In Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis. Cambridge University Press. https://doi.org/10.1017/9781009157896.009
Summary of Mechanisms
Feature | Black-body (Planck) Effect | GHG Masking Effect |
Physics Law | Stefan-Boltzmann ($T^4$) | Beer-Lambert (Absorption) |
Role in Climate | Stabilizing: Increases OLR as Earth warms. | Destabilizing: Decreases OLR by blocking surface emission. |
Visual Signal | Shift in the height/area of the curve. | "Bites" or "notches" taken out of the spectrum. |
Primary Paper | Pierrehumbert (2011) | Jeevanjee et al. (2021) |
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References
Jeevanjee, N., Seeley, J. T., Payne, A. E., & Fueglistaler, S. (2021). A colorful look at climate sensitivity. Physics Today, 74(4), 40–46. https://doi.org/10.1063/PT.3.4724
IPCC. (2021). Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Sixth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press. https://doi.org/10.1017/9781009157896
Pierrehumbert, R. T. (2011). Infrared radiation and planetary temperature. Physics Today, 64(1), 33–38. https://doi.org/10.1063/1.3541943
My charts show only climate forcings, which I loosely describe (and think of) as warming/cooling influences. Jim Hansen calls them perturbations.
Further answers in blue below.
Clive
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Thanks, Clive,
But you've not quite understood the question. As the planet warms, it produces more thermal radiation. This extra radiation power can be calculated in W/m2 using Boltzman's formula assuming it is effectively black-body radiation. This is then masked by GHGs such that the increase in thermal radiation output from the planet is much less than calculated. If a baseline of 1750 is used by IPCC, it suggests that the increase in thermal radiation has been ignored. I would like to see an extra line in the graph for natural cooling through extra thermal output, as opposed to volcanoes etc.
When you look at the CERES satellite data, it measures all thermal output. As the planet has warmed considerably over the 20 years of data, the thermal output may have actually decreased.
That’s right. Today’s energy imbalance of more or less 1.2W/m^2 means that 1.2W/m^2 is going into heating up mainly the oceans. That assumes the amount of energy (strictly power) entering the top of the atmosphere hasn’t changed. As shown on my chart, the solar forcing changes but much less than many of the other forcings.
I would need to examine the data more closely. Nobody seems to have distinguished between the black-body radiation effect and the GHG masking effect in the total thermal output (longwave radiation).
See main answer above from Gemini.
Having said all that, the important thing for our future is to react to the extraordinary decrease in outgoing shortwave radiation due to the planet's decreased albedo over recent years, markedly affecting the Earth's Energy Imbalance. It is commensurate with a reduction in SO2 from ships and planes, and the CERES location data supports this. Ships and planes should have tanks of less refined fuel which they can use when away from populated areas where the SO2 could harm health. The SO2 from the refinement process should go into the stratosphere for maximum cooling effect!
SO2 emissions away from populated areas:
As you know, people like me prefer MCB to SAI. But either of them would be much better than the current ‘emissions reduction alone’ policy.
Cheers, John
>Are “fast oxidizable” and “slow oxidizable” based on gases that react quickly or slowly with reactive oxygen free radicals?
Yes, see example below, drilled down to ‘Fine’ level. I chose them myself and would be keen to hear if you think there’s a better selection:

If you hover over the big volcanic periods the salient ones indicate the volcano and location:

Clive
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On 04/05/2026 17:28 BST Dan Miller <dann...@gmail.com> wrote:Be careful when watching the videos below. Mark Mills is part of a rightwing libertarian think tank that wants to promote fossil fuels.When he says that renewables can’t scale, remember that mineral extraction needed for 100% renewables would still be less than 1% of current fossil fuel extraction.
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FYI I’m also right-leaning.
I disagree with Mark Mills that a tax on fossil fuels wouldn’t favour development of other forms of energy. I think it would favour them. But before taxing fossil fuels, shouldn’t their subsidies be removed globally by treaty? Not that there’s any chance of that any time soon!☹ The Hormuz blockade is already having a much bigger effect in the right direction.😊
But I find Mills’s numbers and most of his arguments perfectly plausible.
People’s numbers and arguments are far more interesting to me than their political leaning.
Clive
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You can look him up:
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Just removing fossil fuel subsidies, 7.1 Trillion dollars a year, might do the trick by levelling the playing field.
At that point each energy source should be taxed to cover the damages their use causes.
Thanks for the feedback.
The climate sensitivity thoughts are interesting. As I understand it, traditionally Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ESC) only deals with CO2 and only contains fast feedbacks such as water vapour, clouds and any feedbacks that kick in within a decade or so, while Earth System Sensitivity contains all the slow feedbacks, such as ice sheet melt. I think the reason they use CO2 rather than CO2e is that the other gases, essentially methane, don’t last long enough in the atmosphere. If you doubled CO2e as we are doing, and left the planet to settle, after a decade or two the methane contribution would disappear so you’d end up with warning to the point of the CO2 only induced equilibrium. It’s part of the reason how they can claim we on track for 2.7ºC of warming following SSP2-4.5 because that model scenario has methane emissions dropping as well as CO2.
Of course the reality is much worse, as you suggest. A fast feedback seems to be the constant and growing methane emissions from wetlands and permafrost melt making CO2e much more relevant on longer timescales. 4ºC will be very hard to avoid without SRM. Even with it, it may still be hard to stop warming overall, just slow it down temporarily while humanity gets its act in order.
Time is indeed running out, I don’t think that a major economic crash is too far away. That will reduce emissions but also cost us the ability to invest in restoration work. I guess that’s why we’re here urging action.
Cheers,
Tom
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Hi Tom and all,
I think many of you will find this paper from 2014 by David Wasdale very interesting. At the time, his earth system sensitivity predictions were an outlier, but it looks like he's now being proved to be 99% right.
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One minor comment is that he says ice cap melting will produce 120 metres of sea level rise, but I think now the general consensus is more like 60-80 metres, enough to drown all coastal areas and drive hundreds of millions of people inland.
You're right, Tom. I think he just got that upside down. As far as I'm aware, at the depth of an ice age, sea levels are 120 m lower than they are now. When all the ice is gone, somewhere around 70 m higher is what we'll get, which would be fine because I will then have a beachfront property. Assuming I live long enough to upload my consciousness into a digital cloud somewhere waited for the ice to melt and have become part of the quantum world, I'm wondering if by then I will be remotely interested in going to the beach.
ECS does seem to be incredibly complex with CO2e making it even more so. I get the feeling that basic ECS is probably along the lines that models propose in the 2-4ºC range and that would be true if we weren’t taking other actions to force it higher. Some of the albedo loss is certainly warming related, as in clouds over the oceans and ice retreat, but being added to by natural aerosol reduction through land use change. Biotic cloud formation is dropping, but not just through baseline warming but deforestation.
Those other human actions seem to be acting as ECS multipliers. For example emissions based ECS may be 3ºC but it is multiplied by 1.5 by land use change so driving the apparent 4.5ºC we observe today. Maybe in addition to ESS and ECS for long and short term feedbacks, we need an ACS - Anthropogenic Climate Sensitivity. This would include all the other warming effects we are pilling on in addition to the GHG emissions. It would also allow us to add cooling effects like sulphate emissions (perhaps a multiplier of 0.9) and quantify potential SRM inputs.
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Hi Clive
Mark Mills mixes reasonable and false claims in the first talk you linked below. It is useful to try to sort these out.
I note a frequent ad hominem tendency in these sort of debates for critics to imply that because he makes some wrong claims, his true claims can be ignored. That is a dangerous tactic that only perpetuates polarised paralysis in partisan political polemics over energy and climate.
His primary argument in this talk is that “it is an intellectual fraud to claim that we are undergoing an energy transition away from hydrocarbons.” This is highly provocative toward the decarbonisation lobby and their ridiculous claims that subsidised energy transition is the best way to cool the planet. I agree that Mills makes sense that renewable energy is primarily additive rather than replacive, and in his questions about materials sourcing.
It is important to accept the impact of his observation that “the US and Europe … to avoid using oil, gas, and coal … spent… maybe closer to 20 trillion,... And as a result of that, we use more oil now, not less, more coal globally, and more natural gas.” This suggests Mills is correct to assert a basic error in the claim that subsidising renewable energy is an effective way to cool the planet, especially considering concerns about scalability.
His argument would be even stronger if he explored the claim that geoengineering is likely to be 1000 times better value for money for cooling than decarbonisation. But that would involve accepting basic climate science, which he is not willing to do. Where Mills gets it wrong is near the end of the talk when he criticises climate science. He says
“climate science and energy science are independent magisteria. The physics of energy is extremely well understood. We can make very very concrete predictions, very accurate, very narrow boundaries about what will happen to an economy based on using more oil, coal, gas, wind, solar because the engineering and physics are narrowly bounded and really well understood. And those domains are not impacted by what I think about climate. They have nothing to do with whether I think it's a fraud or not a fraud and existential threat or not. The gravity and friction and thermodynamics are immune to those worries. Climate science is getting better. The later IPCC forecasts are ramping down the apocalyptic temperatures. They're talking about, you know, saturation and which is what Bill Gates is is basically saying.”
This is all serious bullshitting. The cultural, political and psychological problem revealed here is that in order to justify ignoring global warming, people like Mills have to invent such nonsensical arguments as the long rebutted “CO2 saturation” claim and his astonishing false assertion that temperature forecasts are declining when the opposite is the case. IPCC is only “talking about, you know, saturation” to rebut it as entirely false. To say energy physics is “narrowly bounded and well understood” simply denies the entirety of climate science. This totally destroys any credibility in his argument that energy and climate are “independent magisteria”, a line that came from Stephen Jay Gould’s false assertion that science and religion are ‘non overlapping magisteria’. Millions of influential people take this delusional bullshit seriously, enabling a blithe complacency about the security peril of heat. Delusion causes suffering.
The mythological nature of politics is well illustrated by the simple observation that IPCC predicted the world would cross 1.5C far later than is occurring, but Mills is thoroughly indifferent to and apparently ignorant of this serious widespread discussion, feeling confident to blatantly assert the reverse of the facts. In SR15, published in 2018, IPCC stated “the multi-dataset average GMST used in this report gives an assessed likely range for the date at which warming reaches 1.5°C of 2030 to 2052.” Whoops! Only 28 years out! But Mills believes their error was in the wrong direction! As we all know here, the 1.5C annual threshold was breached in 2024, and claims to the contrary are fraudulent.
Mills says his critics just ignore him. Well I don’t ignore him. I accept his arguments that renewable energy faces immense constraints that are ignored by its proponents. But I reject his tribal climate denial as expressed in the above quote. What is needed is for people like Mills to get on board with sunlight reflection, in order to accept climate science and formulate a coherent plan for Earth System stability with a practical and realistic transition strategy that works in cooperation with the existing world economy.
I recently saw a paywalled comment section in a right wing newspaper where the most liked comment asserted that CO2 concentration is declining. When large segments of society are wilfully degenerating into fantasy it is essential to critique their mistakes.
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