Drafts of Windows and Doors/ Exterior Woodwork

[Nicole Hernandez- HDLC Contact]

The drafts of the HDLC guidelines sections "Windows and Doors" and
"Exterior Woodwork" have been posted on the Google Group site for your
review. We value your comments and opinions and hope you will take
the time to review the sections and give us your feedback. The
deadline for any response on these two sections is February 4, 2010.

Thank you!

HDLC Staff

[Buckley]

I believe that some of terminology used regarding windows, such as the
light configurations, will be beyond the layman unless explained in
the document. A short explanatory paragraph should be all that is
needed. Likewise, the term "true divided light window", an important
term in the document, is meaningless to the average homeowner without
an explanation.

The explanation of which shutter configurations are historically
appropriate for homes of different vintages is worthwhile. Might I
suggest a similar explanation for window configurations? A homeowner
wanting to replace aftermarket windows with more appropriate wooden
windows would then be able to consult the guidelines to find out what
configuration(s) would be desirable.

I noted that on p. 14 of the Exterior Woodwork draft, "The HDLC
cautions against the use of encapsulating paints..." I assume this is
in reference to the increasing popular "Never Paint Your House Again"
type products, promising the remarkable adhesion characteristics of
ceramic micro-beads, lowered energy costs, and maintenece free
exterior for 25 or more years. If this is indeed what is alluded to,
I believe the HDLC could be a little more specific without naming
names, as it were.

Thank you for the opportunity to review and comment on these
documents,

Joseph Buckley
Buckley Builds

On Jan 25, 9:59 am, Nicole Hernandez- HDLC Contact

[Beth Galante]

Just for our information, is there significant belief/agreement that ceramic-additive paint products do in fact cause more harm than good over the long term due to trapping moisture in the wood?  Global Green displays this product in our resource center, and we are occasionally asked if it's worth the investment, so we'd definitely like to know if the consensus is it's a poor choice for sustainable building practices to provide best advice.  Only having to paint every 15-20 years plus improved energy efficiency would otherwise seem a better choice than regular paint from both a financial and an environmental standpoint.

Thanks for any intel!

Beth

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[James R Amdal]

I've wondered the samething recently after hearing commercials about this product on the radio. I'd like to know as well what is the latest thinking about this type of product. Thanks.

Jim
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Subject: Re: Drafts of Windows and Doors/ Exterior Woodwork

Just for our information, is there significant belief/agreement that ceramic-additive paint products do in fact cause more harm than good over the long term due to trapping moisture in the wood? Global Green displays this product in our resource center, and we are occasionally asked if it's worth the investment, so we'd definitely like to know if the consensus is it's a poor choice for sustainable building practices to provide best advice. Only having to paint every 15-20 years plus improved energy efficiency would otherwise seem a better choice than regular paint from both a financial and an environmental standpoint.

Thanks for any intel!

Beth

Joseph Buckley
Buckley Builds

<nlhernan...@cityofno.com<mailto:nlhernan...@cityofno.com>> wrote:
> The drafts of the HDLC guidelines sections "Windows and Doors" and
> "Exterior Woodwork" have been posted on the Google Group site for your
> review. We value your comments and opinions and hope you will take
> the time to review the sections and give us your feedback. The
> deadline for any response on these two sections is February 4, 2010.
>
> Thank you!
>
> HDLC Staff

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[Charles Montgomery]

My impression that the document "hits the mark" I assume that "Ceramic
Paint" is not appropriate for wood construction as it might reduce the
movement of vapor through the exterior wall assembly.

Charles B. Montgomery, AIA, ASLA
HMS Architects, APC
1515 Poydras Street
Suite 2680
New Orleans, LA 70112
(504) 636-3434 office
(504) 636-3439 direct
(504) 813-5952 mobile

Thanks for any intel!

Beth

Joseph Buckley
Buckley Builds

bsc...@googlegroups.com>.

[Jeannie Tidy]

I do not trust anything that does not allow wood to breathe. This is a
main cause of rot and termite damage in our area. How can the wood
breathe if it is completely sealed on the exterior?
jeannie

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[mailto:hdlcgui...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James R Amdal

Thanks for any intel!

Beth

Joseph Buckley
Buckley Builds

bsc...@googlegroups.com>.

[Charles Montgomery]

I agree that the wood NEEDS to breath: don't support the use of Ceramic
Paints.

Charles B. Montgomery, AIA, ASLA
HMS Architects, APC
1515 Poydras Street
Suite 2680
New Orleans, LA 70112
(504) 636-3434 office
(504) 636-3439 direct
(504) 813-5952 mobile

[Joseph Buckley]

I do not have any first-hand knowledge of these products.  I have had customers go this route, but recently enough that no problems have presented themselves.  Being the skeptic that I am, I looked to see what the industry consensus was.

 

A brief internet search demonstrated to me that the only people who had anything positive to say about these products were the producers of the products themselves.  In fact, claims of increased energy efficiency, such as an intrinsic insulating value of R-20, have largely been debunked (http://www.askthebuilder.com/411_Miracle_Liquid_Siding_Products.shtml )   

 

Try the terms “liquid siding” liquid ceramic” and “liquid stucco” in your search engine. 

 

I do not doubt that these products are the right fit for certain applications, but just like any tool, they cannot be expected to be a perfect fit for every application.

 

Joe Buckley

 

From: hdlcgui...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hdlcgui...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Beth Galante
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:27 PM
To: hdlcgui...@googlegroups.com
Cc: Myron Warden; Camille Lopez
Subject: Re: Drafts of Windows and Doors/ Exterior Woodwork

 

Just for our information, is there significant belief/agreement that ceramic-additive paint products do in fact cause more harm than good over the long term due to trapping moisture in the wood?  Global Green displays this product in our resource center, and we are occasionally asked if it's worth the investment, so we'd definitely like to know if the consensus is it's a poor choice for sustainable building practices to provide best advice.  Only having to paint every 15-20 years plus improved energy efficiency would otherwise seem a better choice than regular paint from both a financial and an environmental standpoint.

[coco...@aol.com]

What product is the one you refer to.  Is it that stuff that is to fit snuggly beneath the door or what?  Dorian

[Jeannie Tidy]

This is a ceramic type paint that goes over exterior weatherboards.  I think it is similar to what the spray on old bathtubs to coat them with new ceramic finish. 

jeannie