Hawkboard Issues - TI Announcement

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Huy Pham

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Jan 25, 2011, 12:50:43 PM1/25/11
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All,

TI is aware of the instability problems that many customers are
experiencing with the current HawkBoard and is working actively to
solve the problem. Unfortunately, the current HawkBoard does not
follow TI’s recommended layout recommendations. Even after trying
Innovate Solutions’ proposed solution, the boards in our possession
are still exhibiting problems

We want to make sure our customers’ designs are the best they can be,
so unfortunately, we just can’t recommend the current HawkBoard
because of these design instabilities. We do not recommend new
customers order the current HawkBoard.

TI is currently doing a root cause analysis. We hope to update the
community with a new HawkBoard design that is TI recommended and
supports the earlier HawkBoard software. We hope to engage a new
manufacturer for this new HawkBoard in the near future.
TI has many customers that are in production with OMAP-L138 and the
AM1808 processors. Also, just a friendly reminder that we always
advise our customers to follow our design specs and to remember that
we also offer schematic reviews for your convenience.

For the time being, for a known good design, we suggest starting with
our recommended development platform, the LogicPD Experimenter/EVM:
http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/zoom-omap-l138-experimenter-kit.
Although the LogicPD board does not support DDR2, we have used a
separate vendor to prove the use of DDR2 on the AM1808 and the OMAP-
L138. Although not officially recommended as the development platform
of choice, and not open for order entry, we do refer customers to the
schematics found here: http://support.spectrumdigital.com/boards/evmam1808/revb/
for a known good DDR2 layout.

Please do not hesitate to contact me directly so that I may help you
get the necessary support to continue your project.

Best Regards,

Huy Pham
OMAP-L138 Marketing Manager
h...@ti.com

Aaron Pan

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Jan 26, 2011, 3:33:30 AM1/26/11
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Oh!what's a pity!
What the next step innovate will do? Recall all the boards?
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Best Regards
Aaron Pan

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Huy Pham
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主题: [hawkboard.org] Hawkboard Issues - TI Announcement

Amit kumar

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Feb 1, 2011, 11:15:32 AM2/1/11
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Hi All,
     I am interested in Hawk board and would to buy one, please suggest a vendor/ individual to get a working Hawk board.



Thanks,

Amit

2011/1/26 Aaron Pan <popf...@gmail.com>



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Ph:(mob.)(+91)-9176975731.

Huy Pham

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Feb 1, 2011, 11:16:56 AM2/1/11
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We are working with third party vendors at the moment and hope to provide an update by the end of the week. 

2011/2/1 Amit kumar <kumar...@gmail.com>

Gaston

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Feb 13, 2011, 6:04:51 PM2/13/11
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As we are quite a few waiting, any progress on this ?

Huy Pham

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Feb 13, 2011, 8:09:57 PM2/13/11
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Gaston, I have found a good supplier, and I hope to finalize details
in the next two weeks.

On 2/13/11, Gaston <gasto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As we are quite a few waiting, any progress on this ?
>

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Ganesh Naik

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Feb 17, 2011, 12:29:20 AM2/17/11
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Even myself & many of my friends are waiting for hawkboards.
Professionals as well as students ! If there is more delay, then they
will shift their development to other platforms !

J T Dsouza

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Feb 17, 2011, 12:53:56 AM2/17/11
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On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Ganesh Naik <ganes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Even myself & many of my friends are waiting for hawkboards.
Professionals as well as students ! If there is more delay, then they
will shift their development to other platforms !

 Samsung Mini6410

Huy Pham

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Feb 17, 2011, 9:00:02 AM2/17/11
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I hear you guys, I'll give you an update by next week. We hope to have our first boards out in Mid March. 

Huy Pham

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:32:00 AM2/18/11
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TI is pleased to announce that we are working with long-time community participant Special Computing on a OMAP-L138 board with a TI recommended design. Special Computing is soliciting feature requests from the community, so please feed them to Bill Mar at Special Computing (copied) directly.

We are hoping to have our first boards out in Mid March. 

Bill Traynor

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:41:47 AM2/18/11
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On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:32, Huy Pham <huy...@gmail.com> wrote:
TI is pleased to announce that we are working with long-time community participant Special Computing on a OMAP-L138 board with a TI recommended design. Special Computing is soliciting feature requests from the community, so please feed them to Bill Mar at Special Computing (copied) directly.

Do broken-Hawkboard owners get free replacement boards?

Huy Pham

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:45:15 AM2/18/11
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Bill, right now, we suggest that Hawkboard customers from Innovate work directly with Innovate for refunds/returns.

TI is working on a promotion for broken-Hawkboard owners, but we cannot confirm or commit at this time. 

zhu

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:49:03 AM2/18/11
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Good news.
But where is the Special Computing?

On 2月18日, 下午11时41分, Bill Traynor <btray...@gmail.com> wrote:

zhu

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:55:34 AM2/18/11
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Good news.
But where is the Special Computing?

On 2月18日, 下午11时32分, Huy Pham <huyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> TI is pleased to announce that we are working with long-time community
> participant Special Computing on a OMAP-L138 board with a TI recommended
> design. Special Computing is soliciting feature requests from the community,
> so please feed them to Bill Mar at Special Computing (copied) directly.
>
> We are hoping to have our first boards out in Mid March.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Huy Pham <huyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I hear you guys, I'll give you an update by next week. We hope to have our
> > first boards out in Mid March.
>
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:53 PM, J T Dsouza <jtd1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bill Traynor

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Feb 18, 2011, 11:02:02 AM2/18/11
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2011/2/18 zhu <wxz...@163.com>

Good news.
But where is the Special Computing?

zhu

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Feb 18, 2011, 11:55:34 AM2/18/11
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Ok, thank you, Bill.

zhu

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Feb 18, 2011, 1:37:32 PM2/18/11
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I came across an interesting problem regarding the old hawkboard
design files. I would like to request that the new design incorporate
the following:

The memory on the board to physically swappable for a single chip of
Micron DDR2 ram chip. While the Micron 128M and 256M chips (MT47H64M16
and MT47H128M16) are "pin compatible" their form-factor is different
by 1mm. The 256M chip is bigger. Would it be possible for you to
layout the hawk-board to support both chip sizes so that an upgrade
would be simple to do form 128 to 256? Also, one of the things that
really attracted me to the current hawkboard design is its current 6
layer design, verses the EVM board which is 12 layers. I hope the new
hawkboard design sticks to 6 layers.

I'll email above messages to info@specialcomp too.

Zhu

On 2月18日, 下午11时32分, Huy Pham <huyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> TI is pleased to announce that we are working with long-time community
> participant Special Computing on a OMAP-L138 board with a TI recommended
> design. Special Computing is soliciting feature requests from the community,
> so please feed them to Bill Mar at Special Computing (copied) directly.
>
> We are hoping to have our first boards out in Mid March.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Huy Pham <huyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I hear you guys, I'll give you an update by next week. We hope to have our
> > first boards out in Mid March.
>
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:53 PM, J T Dsouza <jtd1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lu Tan Hoa

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Feb 18, 2011, 10:47:37 PM2/18/11
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Hi Huy,

I'm in Vietnam. The shipping to/from US cost more than haft of the board.
So, I prefer a promotion plan if any. Keep looking

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Huy Pham <huy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill, right now, we suggest that Hawkboard customers from Innovate work
> directly with Innovate for refunds/returns.
> TI is working on a promotion for broken-Hawkboard owners, but we cannot
> confirm or commit at this time.
>

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J T Dsouza

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Feb 19, 2011, 1:09:57 AM2/19/11
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  1. The TLV320AIC3107 seems to be wasted with only line1 L+R brought out. Ideally it should be replaced with a device having a 5.1 or higher output. If TLV320AIC3107 must be used get all the inputs to a header.
  2. Could the VGA female be moved to the edge holding USB / ethernet / dc jack. It would enable a more ergonomic and simple housing with a back plate.
  3. Where ever the I/o connectors cant be aligned with the "rear", I would suggest a header. 
  4. Could the TPs be populated with real test pins.
  5. Reset switch: replace it with one of better quality. Mine is damaged.
  6. SD should be replaced with microsd. I doubt one would be able to buy an SD card.

2011/2/18 Bill Traynor <btra...@gmail.com>

Gopal

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Mar 4, 2011, 3:32:48 AM3/4/11
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Is there any estimated timeframe for release of new hawkboard?


On Feb 19, 11:09 am, J T Dsouza <jtd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. The TLV320AIC3107<http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv320aic3107.html?lpos=S...>seems
> to be wasted with only line1 L+R brought out. Ideally it should be
> replaced with a device having a 5.1 or higher output. If
> TLV320AIC3107<http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv320aic3107.html?lpos=S...>must
> be used get all the inputs to a header.
> 2. Could the VGA female be moved to the edge holding USB / ethernet / dc
> jack. It would enable a more ergonomic and simple housing with a back plate.
> 3. Where ever the I/o connectors cant be aligned with the "rear", I would
> suggest a header.
> 4. Could the TPs be populated with real test pins.
> 5. Reset switch: replace it with one of better quality. Mine is damaged.
> 6. SD should be replaced with microsd. I doubt one would be able to buy
> an SD card.
>
> 2011/2/18 Bill Traynor <btray...@gmail.com>

Huy Pham

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Mar 4, 2011, 5:14:27 PM3/4/11
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Gopal, Special Computing is working on the design right now. Preliminary designs should be posted in the next week or so.

2011/3/4 Gopal <gopal....@gmail.com>

zhu

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Mar 14, 2011, 1:58:55 PM3/14/11
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Hi,

Any news?

Harish Hanumanthappa

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Mar 14, 2011, 10:36:51 PM3/14/11
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Is it worth struggling with this board

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:28 PM, zhu <wxz...@163.com> wrote:
Hi,

Any news?

J T Dsouza

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Mar 15, 2011, 1:57:51 AM3/15/11
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No. Junked mine.

Huy Pham

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Mar 15, 2011, 9:25:57 AM3/15/11
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Special Computing should be providing an update to the HawkBoard group this week. 

Deepesh Bhargava

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Sep 10, 2011, 3:43:53 PM9/10/11
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I did not follow up this thread for months.. I purchased a hawkboard and then I realised it was buggy as read from forum threads. Anyone aware of the replacements from innovative?

Shall i just throw it away or it is of some use?

Cheers
Deepesh

Bibs

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Sep 11, 2011, 6:03:58 AM9/11/11
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I wonder why the issue on Hawk Board is still not resolved. I didn't
find any updates from Innovate regarding the refund / replacement of
Hawk Board. It is better to withdraw Hawk Board from the market rather
than making the customers suffer. We expect Innovate to do the
needful, pulling back the buggy Hawks from the market rather than
making their valuable customers suffer.

On Sep 11, 12:43 am, Deepesh Bhargava <deepesh.hawkbo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I did not follow up this thread for months.. I purchased a hawkboard and
> then I realised it was buggy as read from forum threads. Anyone aware of the
> replacements from innovative?
>
> Shall i just throw it away or it is of some use?
>
> Cheers
> Deepesh
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Huy Pham <huyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Special Computing should be providing an update to the HawkBoard group this
> > week.
>
> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:57 AM, J T Dsouza <jtd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> No. Junked mine.
>

Huy Pham

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Sep 12, 2011, 3:39:44 PM9/12/11
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Friends,

I know many of you are still struggling with the Hawk Board. As I have
said in the past, TI does not recommend use of the Hawk Board and have
repeatedly asked Innovate to fix the issues and to pull the product
from the market until it is resolved.

At TI, we are working our hardest to come up with a solution for our
customers. We have been working with Circuit Co, the makers of the
popular Beagle Board, on a new C6748/OMAP-L138 Development Kit that
will retail for about $150, complete with a TI software load. We
anticipate our first boards will come in October, with mass production
to begin in January. The board will be routed in 6 layers and will be
a suggested reference design for our customers.

We will share more details about the board as the mass production date
approaches. Although the Hawk Board was not a TI product, we will do
our best to do something special for disgruntled Hawk Board customers.

best regards,

Huy Pham
C6000 Manager

J T Dsouza

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Sep 12, 2011, 4:17:50 PM9/12/11
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We will share more details about the board as the mass production date
approaches. Although the Hawk Board was not a TI product, we will do
our best to do something special for disgruntled Hawk Board customers.

At last some light inside a silent dark cave. Maybe we can actually keep the junk board in the hope of a worthwhile offer from TI.

Meanwhile boards using AMD hudson  (for the high end) and the Mini 6410 using Samsung Samsung S3C6410A have long taken my business. 

This has been amongst the worst handling of a design failure I have ever come across in 27 years, and I have seen some pretty bad ones.

Bill Traynor

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Sep 12, 2011, 4:39:40 PM9/12/11
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2011/3/4 Huy Pham <huy...@gmail.com>

Gopal, Special Computing is working on the design right now. Preliminary designs should be posted in the next week or so.

Did these designs ever get posted?

Huy Pham

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Sep 12, 2011, 4:44:15 PM9/12/11
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Special Computing have completed, and are in the midst of, many
OMAP-L138 products for its customers. It was in the process of
releasing some of these designs to the public, but has been
overwhelmed with customer projects.

2011/9/12 Bill Traynor <btra...@gmail.com>:

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