Is Hawkboard "officially" dead?

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Joel Ding

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Dec 12, 2016, 5:09:02 AM12/12/16
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Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,

Is Hawkboard "officially" dead? www.hawkboard.org seemed abandoned. It looks like gone for good ...

Warm regards,
Joel Ding

Rich Tanner

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Dec 12, 2016, 2:48:51 PM12/12/16
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Well, the Hawkboards I have are not dead.
Then again, they say Windows XP is dead, but it still works fine for me.


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Andrey Rodionov

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Dec 12, 2016, 4:40:46 PM12/12/16
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Maybe "officially" is so. But not the community.
Developer's site of Hawkboard is still avaliable at http://innovatesolutions.net/ but there is no information about subject.
More information you can get at the community page (wiki) about Hawkboard http://elinux.org/Hawkboard


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Robert Staven

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Dec 14, 2016, 5:53:51 AM12/14/16
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The second production batch of the boards didn't work (in a stable way).
It was supposedly fixable in SW, but InnovateSolutions didn't bother try
to solve the issue, and I think they gave it up.

(I will never do/work with anything from the mentioned company again...)

They community didn't grew much, so there were not much 'support' for
many things (eg. SPI drivers etc).

I solved my issues by getting some second hand Hawkboards (first
production batch) and survived until I migrated to Beaglebone Black.

I still have a Hawkboard running, but it's the last one I have alive.
The Hawkboards might have some other issues also, cause I've had quite
some failing in different ways for no apparent reason.

br,
Robert
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Rich Tanner

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Dec 14, 2016, 11:12:12 AM12/14/16
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The second batch was fixable in hardware.
I found a nice fix that took boards that were virtually impossible to use
because of the glitches and made them quite solid and reliable.

I had found an engineering mistake relating to certain ground pins.
Once these were fixed, the boards worked properly.



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Victor Rodriguez

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Dec 14, 2016, 12:02:09 PM12/14/16
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Hi tem

My name is Victor Rodriguez, I am the guy that give initial support in
the Linux Kernel to the hawk board years ago


On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:12 AM, 'Rich Tanner' via hawkboard
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> The second batch was fixable in hardware.
> I found a nice fix that took boards that were virtually impossible to use
> because of the glitches and made them quite solid and reliable.
>
> I had found an engineering mistake relating to certain ground pins.
> Once these were fixed, the boards worked properly.

It was a shame that HW problem, I remember it very well :( . The
community was growing fast and with good willing to collaborate

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> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:53 AM
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> The second production batch of the boards didn't work (in a stable way).
> It was supposedly fixable in SW, but InnovateSolutions didn't bother try
> to solve the issue, and I think they gave it up.
>
> (I will never do/work with anything from the mentioned company again...)
>
> They community didn't grew much, so there were not much 'support' for
> many things (eg. SPI drivers etc).
>

If there is any missing support for this board I will be more than
happy to help

I was not aware that there were other extra requirements to the ones I
gave years ago.

Feel free to let me know what SW support do you need and I can work on it

( of course will be hard to find a board on sale these days:) )

Regards

Victor Rodriguez

> I solved my issues by getting some second hand Hawkboards (first
> production batch) and survived until I migrated to Beaglebone Black.
>
> I still have a Hawkboard running, but it's the last one I have alive.
> The Hawkboards might have some other issues also, cause I've had quite
> some failing in different ways for no apparent reason.
>
> br,
> Robert
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> On 12.12.2016 11:09, Joel Ding wrote:
>> Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
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>> Is Hawkboard "officially" dead? www.hawkboard.org seemed abandoned. It
>> looks like gone for good ...
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Joel Ding
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Jason Kridner

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Dec 14, 2016, 12:51:35 PM12/14/16
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Let me try my BeagleBoard account as my gmail bounced...

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:38 PM Jason Kridner <jkri...@gmail.com> wrote:
There's no one dedicated to the project anymore. I didn't even know there was a source for the boards since we had the issue described below.

If there's something I can do to keep development alive, let me know.

Btw, thanks Victor!

Gopal

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Dec 15, 2016, 1:40:03 AM12/15/16
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I think the solution was a solder bridge across two points. However that didn't work for me. Or is it something else that you found?

If I remember correctly some TI engineer (don't remember his name but was something similar to Huy Fam or like) had come on the forum and promised to offer an alternative to the hawkboard. But nothing happened later.
Innovate didn't continue working on it I guess. They didn't declare but looks they stopped supporting it.

It was a nice low-cost board though.

I still have one from the 2nd batch with the solder bridge done.

Gopal

Rich Tanner

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Dec 15, 2016, 5:21:48 AM12/15/16
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I found that the fix you are probably talking about did not directly address the design error,
but it clearly made some tests work properly, most of the time. It was just not reliable and
for one board it did nothing at all.

What I had discovered in the schematic was a more fundamental design error which
needed a more aggressive set of fixes.

I don't have my modified set of schematics handy, it's been years since I fixed the HawkBoards
I have, but my set of fixes did fix every board and I never saw another failure.

I think any good engineer (or really good technician)  who understands grounding principals
and carefully studies the schematics and chip datasheets should be able to spot the same
problems I did and perhaps even figure out what physically needs to change to compansate
for the design error.

Oh, and I recall that one specific chip mattered a great deal in determining how bad the board
was without the fixes and it was only when I attacked my worst board did I finally get it all perfect
for all the boards. I can't recall which chip it was, I want to say it was a memory chip, but I'm not
sure I'm remembering that correctly. There was either a date-code or version or maker, not sure
anymore, but some boards had one chip and the other boards had something different.

Too bad someone did not take up the product and make it the best platform it could be.



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