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Apr 7, 2011, 1:24:08 PM4/7/11
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I have reams and reams of Hawaiian acres roads photo's that can be
utilzed in the new HARC page.
Where can i send them to?
I can not accesss the new page as far as past acountings or minutes
prior to march 2011.
The accounting does not add up.The math seems wrong to me.
My perspective only,would like to see all minutes and accountings from
the last 3 years also,and the minutes as well.
The stock photo does not do hawaiian acres any justice what so
ever.Where is HARCs camera that was bought four years ago ?
Perhaps a google group would be good thats not cencerd would be a good
new fresh start to the new page as well.
Why the change from the HACA / HARC original format ?Was it a HARC /
HACA board choice ?What is the costing to he people who pay their dues
for the roads?Or was it all done free as it should be?
Me
utilzed in the new HARC page.
Where can i send them to?
I can not accesss the new page as far as past acountings or minutes
prior to march 2011.
The accounting does not add up.The math seems wrong to me.
My perspective only,would like to see all minutes and accountings from
the last 3 years also,and the minutes as well.
The stock photo does not do hawaiian acres any justice what so
ever.Where is HARCs camera that was bought four years ago ?
Perhaps a google group would be good thats not cencerd would be a good
new fresh start to the new page as well.
Why the change from the HACA / HARC original format ?Was it a HARC /
HACA board choice ?What is the costing to he people who pay their dues
for the roads?Or was it all done free as it should be?
Me
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 7, 2011, 3:47:15 PM4/7/11
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It was not a harc choice.
It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
Russ
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:936] Photo's plus
> From: paul...@gmail.com
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It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
Russ
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
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Philip
Apr 7, 2011, 4:32:48 PM4/7/11
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Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
Philip
johnlehnert
Apr 9, 2011, 5:25:03 PM4/9/11
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Who is "Me"? There's a "new page"? What is this message about?
johnlehnert
Apr 9, 2011, 5:35:56 PM4/9/11
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Huh? I've never heard of any of this until now. Thanks for keeping
me in the loop. The separate road group idea is not new, but its
actually forming now?! Are there specifics as to names, dates,
etc.? Somewhere I heard a rumor that rumors were circulating, but
lacking specifics, it was probably only a rumor. Hey! This sounds
like a good way to start a rumor!! I love it here.
John
John
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 9, 2011, 10:06:50 PM4/9/11
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JL, it's always been PS. JRB
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:25:03 -1000
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> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:941] Photo's plus
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:25:03 -1000
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> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:941] Photo's plus
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 9, 2011, 10:42:12 PM4/9/11
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Philip,
I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
Russ
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
From: pjt...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
Russ
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
Gary
Apr 10, 2011, 1:46:00 AM4/10/11
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interesting stuff !! where would this imfo be at about HARC being
designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated againt or
fail ?
it must be writen in our charter? or where? I hear alot but never see
these things in writing!!!
Gary
designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated againt or
fail ?
it must be writen in our charter? or where? I hear alot but never see
these things in writing!!!
Gary
On Apr 9, 4:42 pm, Jack Russell Brauher <makan...@live.com> wrote:
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
Gary
Apr 10, 2011, 1:17:31 AM4/10/11
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Interesting !!
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
Mark-Sterling Van Doren
Apr 10, 2011, 12:10:48 AM4/10/11
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I don't know where you are getting that Russ- HACA is a cohesive group
fostering a cohesive neighborhood. Just ask John, Fred and the others who were
instrumental in instituting the Saturday morning pancake breakfast/talk story
neighborhood gathering, etc.
I thought I should check out this
discussion group but I hope there is more talk about actual issues and less
mud-slinging and rumors. Peace,
Mark
Mark-Sterling Van Doren
Apr 9, 2011, 11:45:34 PM4/9/11
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Aloha Russ and Everyone,
Thank-you for your work on behalf of the community.
As to your comment, Russ, that HACA's credibility suffers greatly, I
can't see that.
Most people know that HACA is a volunteer organization doing their
best to aid the neighborhood. If HACA did not have pretty good "credibility" the
same officers of the board would not be re-elected, year after year after year
as they are.
As a long-time HACA Board member I have not heard of any lack of
creditbility.
Let's try not to be too hard on each other- we're part of the handful of folks
who are willing to volunteer and we sure don't want to lose anyone!
Aloha, Mark Van Doren HACA Area 3 Representative
----- Original Message -----From: Jack Russell Brauher
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 10, 2011, 5:24:39 AM4/10/11
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Mark,
There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
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Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
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Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 10, 2011, 5:42:46 AM4/10/11
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Aloha Mark,
Sorry you don't hear what I hear. Mention HACA or HARC in most circles in HA and you get a HaHa, or a look of disgust. Not to mention the colorful comments. Step back for a overall look sometime.
HACA is a small circle with a small amount of $ that could be spent better. I've seen it. No one can fix it.
As far as elections go, has any one candidate gotten more than about 65 votes yet? Are the elections contested yet? Are residents beating the doors down so they take part? I've not heard of any changes with these issues.
And, since when is raising the conciousness of those that subscribe to this group called mudslinging?
The canned response you give, is like a political brochure. Is that mudslinging or an observation?
Mahalo, Russ
Sorry you don't hear what I hear. Mention HACA or HARC in most circles in HA and you get a HaHa, or a look of disgust. Not to mention the colorful comments. Step back for a overall look sometime.
HACA is a small circle with a small amount of $ that could be spent better. I've seen it. No one can fix it.
As far as elections go, has any one candidate gotten more than about 65 votes yet? Are the elections contested yet? Are residents beating the doors down so they take part? I've not heard of any changes with these issues.
And, since when is raising the conciousness of those that subscribe to this group called mudslinging?
The canned response you give, is like a political brochure. Is that mudslinging or an observation?
Mahalo, Russ
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:948] Photo's plus
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:45:34 -1000
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:45:34 -1000
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 10, 2011, 6:01:30 AM4/10/11
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Aloha Gary,
HACA did not include any such thing in a document like a Charter. Mainly because no need exists. HARC has never entertained seriously what to do, because new road groups are easy to start.
Maybe you have a idea about how it will pan out, if HARC gets sued for whatever reason?
HACA still has a responsibility in the road lot. This covers EVERYTHING but road maintenance. Examples, litter, encroachments, signage, etc... HARC is tasked only with road maintenance, nothing else.
Study up on HACA's history if you'd like to know why they exist. HACA's website is a good start, but not comprehensive. Don't confuse it with what they do now.
Mahalo, Russ
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:46:00 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:945] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
HACA did not include any such thing in a document like a Charter. Mainly because no need exists. HARC has never entertained seriously what to do, because new road groups are easy to start.
Maybe you have a idea about how it will pan out, if HARC gets sued for whatever reason?
HACA still has a responsibility in the road lot. This covers EVERYTHING but road maintenance. Examples, litter, encroachments, signage, etc... HARC is tasked only with road maintenance, nothing else.
Study up on HACA's history if you'd like to know why they exist. HACA's website is a good start, but not comprehensive. Don't confuse it with what they do now.
Mahalo, Russ
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:46:00 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:945] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
matt willis
Apr 10, 2011, 12:19:18 PM4/10/11
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Russ
Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
Have a beautiful Sunday
Matt
Steve B.
Apr 10, 2011, 1:21:55 PM4/10/11
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| Good point Matt. That's why I won't pay the road dues, throwing good money after bad. |
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 10, 2011, 2:16:10 PM4/10/11
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Awesome Response Matt,
I look forward to our first introduction!
A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
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I look forward to our first introduction!
A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
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Susan Tita
Apr 10, 2011, 3:41:39 PM4/10/11
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hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
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Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
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Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
Susan Tita
Apr 10, 2011, 3:53:38 PM4/10/11
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a resident on the raod B witnessed the load of rock being dumped , no one else was there no road supervisor, the rock was dumped over the paving strips ( wrong place ) and has since washed away . no old ladies spread anything only in their dreams.
also if i understood correctly at the last road meeting, it was the president of the committee that proposed the new web site for HARC . part of administrative money .
also if i understood correctly at the last road meeting, it was the president of the committee that proposed the new web site for HARC . part of administrative money .
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
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johnlehnert
Apr 10, 2011, 7:49:19 PM4/10/11
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HARC is now in a file cabinet? When did HARC get kicked out of the
office? Did I miss a meeting?
John
John
johnlehnert
Apr 10, 2011, 7:53:37 PM4/10/11
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Gary
I've been getting newsletters from HACA since 1980. I agree with Russ about the history, though his delivery is a bit sensational.
I've been getting newsletters from HACA since 1980. I agree with Russ about the history, though his delivery is a bit sensational.
johnlehnert
Apr 10, 2011, 11:44:19 AM4/10/11
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Paul
Sorry I was confused and didn't recognize this was from you.
There are two other people who send me emails signed by "Me".
John Lehnert
You probably get several emails from different "John"s,
Sorry I was confused and didn't recognize this was from you.
There are two other people who send me emails signed by "Me".
John Lehnert
You probably get several emails from different "John"s,
On 4/7/2011 7:24 AM, : ) wrote:
matt willis
Apr 10, 2011, 11:40:09 PM4/10/11
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Thanks Russ
I also look forward to meeting you and anyone else who truly wants to get beyond this petty stagnation that apparently has been going on for years. I ran in to this same type of thing in California and have been dealing with it for years. Ever since I have owned a tractor (23 years now) I maintained the community roads where I lived. The majority of that time with no reimbursement from the neighbors, but they sure enjoyed the smooth roads. Occasionally someone would offer diesel money but often times I didn't even receive so much as a thank-you....I had not considered that in moving to Hawaii I would be right back in the same mess!!
Sincerely,
Matt
Mark-Sterling Van Doren
Apr 11, 2011, 3:30:43 PM4/11/11
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Actually there are many reasons why Hawaiian Acres residents don't try to
become involved in HACA or HARC. I would put credibility way down on the that
list.
Towards the top I would put the fact that in this bad economy many
folks are working overtime or more than one job and are just trying to keep
their heads above water, with no time or energy for volunteering.
Another popular reason is that MANY people here could not care less
about local politics and do not know or care to know even what HARC or HACA
stand for, much less how they work, etc.
And another great reason for lack of interest is that other than the
heads of household here most family members, especially young people, have more
on their minds than neighborhood politics.
I think HARC is much more of interest to people here on a
daily basis. The roads are a critical issue on a daily basis. HACA is also
important and needed but most people here don't care much about HACA one way or
another, as along as the work gets done.
And the work gets done, thanks to a handful of
volunteers. Ditto HARC.
Aloha, Mark
Mark-Sterling Van Doren
Apr 11, 2011, 3:43:58 PM4/11/11
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Is this discussion group ALWAYS full of such insults? ("the board for HACA
by laws fixed (sic) so the same regime remains")
I never knew I was part of a "regime"
And that is SO insulting to Diana Miller, our HACA president, a
volunteer who puts in countless hours to better her community.
There seem to be only a handful of people who want to volunteer to
be a part of HACA, we have notices of all our meetings and the door is open to
all, yet few attend.
And then there is this other handful of people who put out comments
about some kind of a "regime"...
-Mark
Susan Tita
Apr 11, 2011, 4:09:24 PM4/11/11
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Mark, i would like to know what work has gotten done . the building remains the same , no maintenance. the catchment tank same ole rusty condition , leaking on the side ,cover still inside and its been that way for over a year. the grounds poorly maintained and a board member paid to do the work. people that live in the community are not happy about HACA . Why is there over $30,000.00 in a savings account , ,what is the purpose of keeping a large sum of money in a savings account ,and paying taxes on it, why isn't it used to better the building , or the grounds you are depriving the community. also now charging fees to sign up for internet makes you a business for profit, no longer non-profit.
why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
Gary
Apr 11, 2011, 6:27:17 PM4/11/11
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have you notice whos always complaing, mud slinging, giving out mis
imformation, is always the same people, nothing positive ever comes
out of something negative!!
Thats what keep the good people away.
We need people with aloha and care about our community, not just the
same ol peaple that never have any thing good or positive to say. We
do have some good people down @ HARC, who volunteer there time and
energy just to be slamed by the few negative controling people. just
my opinion!!!!!!!!
Gary
On Apr 11, 9:43 am, "Mark-Sterling Van Doren" <markands...@msn.com>
wrote:
> From: pulam...@live.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> CC: makan...@live.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
>
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imformation, is always the same people, nothing positive ever comes
out of something negative!!
Thats what keep the good people away.
We need people with aloha and care about our community, not just the
same ol peaple that never have any thing good or positive to say. We
do have some good people down @ HARC, who volunteer there time and
energy just to be slamed by the few negative controling people. just
my opinion!!!!!!!!
Gary
On Apr 11, 9:43 am, "Mark-Sterling Van Doren" <markands...@msn.com>
wrote:
> Is this discussion group ALWAYS full of such insults? ("the board for HACA by laws fixed (sic) so the same regime remains")
> I never knew I was part of a "regime"
> And that is SO insulting to Diana Miller, our HACA president, a volunteer who puts in countless hours to better her community.
> There seem to be only a handful of people who want to volunteer to be a part of HACA, we have notices of all our meetings and the door is open to all, yet few attend.
> And then there is this other handful of people who put out comments about some kind of a "regime"...
> -Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Tita<mailto:francisdon...@msn.com>
> To: hawaiianacres<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:955] Photo's plus
>
> hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
> HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
>
> rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> I never knew I was part of a "regime"
> And that is SO insulting to Diana Miller, our HACA president, a volunteer who puts in countless hours to better her community.
> There seem to be only a handful of people who want to volunteer to be a part of HACA, we have notices of all our meetings and the door is open to all, yet few attend.
> And then there is this other handful of people who put out comments about some kind of a "regime"...
> -Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Tita<mailto:francisdon...@msn.com>
> To: hawaiianacres<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:955] Photo's plus
>
> hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
> HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
>
> rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
>
> From: pulam...@live.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
>
> Awesome Response Matt,
> I look forward to our first introduction!
> A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
>
> Awesome Response Matt,
> I look forward to our first introduction!
> A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
>
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
> From: rvrefrigera...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> CC: makan...@live.com
>
> Russ
> Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
> Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
> I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
> I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
> Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
> Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
>
> To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
> Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
> Have a beautiful Sunday
> Matt
>
> Russ
> Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
> Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
> I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
> I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
> Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
> Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
>
> To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
> Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
> Have a beautiful Sunday
> Matt
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jack Russell Brauher <makan...@live.com<mailto:makan...@live.com>> wrote:
>
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
> From: pjt...@gmail.com<mailto:pjt...@gmail.com>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
>
> Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
>
> HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
>
> Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
>
> As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
>
> Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
>
> Philip
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> Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
>
> HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
>
> Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
>
> As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
>
> Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
>
> Philip
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Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
Susan Tita
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theres no mudsling just the truth coming out and sometimes that is not always pleasant. and you are right we need people who care about the community and will work to represent the people that elected them , keeping in mind first and foremost what is in the best interest of the community. no misinformation facts. Just drive the roads .... they speak loud and clear about what i am saying , look at the budget it to speaks volumes susann
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:27:17 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:974] Re: Photo's plus
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> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:27:17 -0700
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Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 11, 2011, 11:22:14 PM4/11/11
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Mahalo Mark
I did say the same thing in just a few words. Russ
I did say the same thing in just a few words. Russ
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 12, 2011, 3:33:09 AM4/12/11
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Mahalo Susan,
I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
A.L.O.H.A. Russ
From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
A.L.O.H.A. Russ
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To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 12, 2011, 4:05:14 AM4/12/11
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Mahalo, Mark
Can you help me out here? What is it that Diana has made better here?
I seen her list of what HACA offers. This is quite small and not really her work. 2 of the 4 items existed before her.
A.L.O.H.A. Russ
Can you help me out here? What is it that Diana has made better here?
I seen her list of what HACA offers. This is quite small and not really her work. 2 of the 4 items existed before her.
A.L.O.H.A. Russ
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:968] Photo's plus
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:43:58 -1000
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:43:58 -1000
Gary
Apr 12, 2011, 12:34:51 PM4/12/11
to Hawaiian Acres
have you notice whos always complaing, mud slinging, giving out mis
imformation, is always the same people, nothing positive ever comes
out of something negative!!
Thats what keep the good people away.
We need people with aloha and care about our community, not just the
same ol peaple that never have any thing good or positive to say. We
do have some good people down @ HARC, who volunteer there time and
energy just to be slamed by the few negative controling people. just
my opinion!!!!!!!!
Gary
On Apr 11, 9:43 am, "Mark-Sterling Van Doren" <markands...@msn.com>
wrote:
imformation, is always the same people, nothing positive ever comes
out of something negative!!
Thats what keep the good people away.
We need people with aloha and care about our community, not just the
same ol peaple that never have any thing good or positive to say. We
do have some good people down @ HARC, who volunteer there time and
energy just to be slamed by the few negative controling people. just
my opinion!!!!!!!!
Gary
On Apr 11, 9:43 am, "Mark-Sterling Van Doren" <markands...@msn.com>
wrote:
> Is this discussion group ALWAYS full of such insults? ("the board for HACA by laws fixed (sic) so the same regime remains")
> I never knew I was part of a "regime"
> And that is SO insulting to Diana Miller, our HACA president, a volunteer who puts in countless hours to better her community.
> There seem to be only a handful of people who want to volunteer to be a part of HACA, we have notices of all our meetings and the door is open to all, yet few attend.
> And then there is this other handful of people who put out comments about some kind of a "regime"...
> -Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> I never knew I was part of a "regime"
> And that is SO insulting to Diana Miller, our HACA president, a volunteer who puts in countless hours to better her community.
> There seem to be only a handful of people who want to volunteer to be a part of HACA, we have notices of all our meetings and the door is open to all, yet few attend.
> And then there is this other handful of people who put out comments about some kind of a "regime"...
> -Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Tita<mailto:francisdon...@msn.com>
> To: hawaiianacres<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> To: hawaiianacres<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:955] Photo's plus
>
> hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
> HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
>
> rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:955] Photo's plus
>
> hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
> HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.
>
> rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann
>
> From: pulam...@live.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
>
> Awesome Response Matt,
> I look forward to our first introduction!
> A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
>
> Awesome Response Matt,
> I look forward to our first introduction!
> A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ
>
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
> Russ
> Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
> Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
> I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
> I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
> Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
> Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
>
> To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
> Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
> Have a beautiful Sunday
> Matt
>
> Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
> Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
> I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
> I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
> Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
> Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
>
> To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
> Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
> Have a beautiful Sunday
> Matt
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jack Russell Brauher <makan...@live.com<mailto:makan...@live.com>> wrote:
>
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>
> Philip,
> I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
> HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
> HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
> HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
> The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
> HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
> The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
> Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
> Russ
>
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
> From: pjt...@gmail.com<mailto:pjt...@gmail.com>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com<mailto:hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
>
> Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
>
> HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
>
> Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
>
> As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
>
> Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
>
> Philip
>
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> Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
>
> HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
>
> Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
>
> As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
>
> Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
>
> Philip
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Apr 12, 2011, 12:51:51 PM4/12/11
to Hawaiian Acres
I for one think the more eyes the better, the harc board till 4 months
ago had the same pres and trearure for years, even though there is a 3
year term!! all records should be looked at and all conduct, what
rules were followed(few) and what was ignored (alot)according to our
bylaws!! bulling and intimidation was the way. so I say lets talk to
the AG and lets look at those records!!!
gary
On Apr 11, 9:33 pm, Jack Russell Brauher <pulam...@live.com> wrote:
> Mahalo Susan,
> I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
> Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
> The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
> What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
> I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
> Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
> I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
> A.L.O.H.A. Russ
>
> For more options, visit this group athttp://group.hawaiianacres.org
>
> read more »
ago had the same pres and trearure for years, even though there is a 3
year term!! all records should be looked at and all conduct, what
rules were followed(few) and what was ignored (alot)according to our
bylaws!! bulling and intimidation was the way. so I say lets talk to
the AG and lets look at those records!!!
gary
On Apr 11, 9:33 pm, Jack Russell Brauher <pulam...@live.com> wrote:
> Mahalo Susan,
> I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
> Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
> The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
> What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
> I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
> Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
> I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
> A.L.O.H.A. Russ
>
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
>
> Mark, i would like to know what work has gotten done . the building remains the same , no maintenance. the catchment tank same ole rusty condition , leaking on the side ,cover still inside and its been that way for over a year. the grounds poorly maintained and a board member paid to do the work. people that live in the community are not happy about HACA . Why is there over $30,000.00 in a savings account , ,what is the purpose of keeping a large sum of money in a savings account ,and paying taxes on it, why isn't it used to better the building , or the grounds you are depriving the community. also now charging fees to sign up for internet makes you a business for profit, no longer non-profit.
> why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
> credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
>
> as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
>
> Mark, i would like to know what work has gotten done . the building remains the same , no maintenance. the catchment tank same ole rusty condition , leaking on the side ,cover still inside and its been that way for over a year. the grounds poorly maintained and a board member paid to do the work. people that live in the community are not happy about HACA . Why is there over $30,000.00 in a savings account , ,what is the purpose of keeping a large sum of money in a savings account ,and paying taxes on it, why isn't it used to better the building , or the grounds you are depriving the community. also now charging fees to sign up for internet makes you a business for profit, no longer non-profit.
> why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
> credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
>
> as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
>
> From: markands...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
>
> Actually there are many reasons why Hawaiian Acres residents don't try to become involved in HACA or HARC. I would put credibility way down on the that list.
> Towards the top I would put the fact that in this bad economy many folks are working overtime or more than one job and are just trying to keep their heads above water, with no time or energy for volunteering.
> Another popular reason is that MANY people here could not care less about local politics and do not know or care to know even what HARC or HACA stand for, much less how they work, etc.
> And another great reason for lack of interest is that other than the heads of household here most family members, especially young people, have more on their minds than neighborhood politics.
> I think HARC is much more of interest to people here on a daily basis. The roads are a critical issue on a daily basis. HACA is also important and needed but most people here don't care much about HACA one way or another, as along as the work gets done.
> And the work gets done, thanks to a handful of volunteers. Ditto HARC.
> Aloha, Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Russell Brauher
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:949] Photo's plus
>
> Mark,
> There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
> A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
> Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
> HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
> If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
> I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
> If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
>
> Actually there are many reasons why Hawaiian Acres residents don't try to become involved in HACA or HARC. I would put credibility way down on the that list.
> Towards the top I would put the fact that in this bad economy many folks are working overtime or more than one job and are just trying to keep their heads above water, with no time or energy for volunteering.
> Another popular reason is that MANY people here could not care less about local politics and do not know or care to know even what HARC or HACA stand for, much less how they work, etc.
> And another great reason for lack of interest is that other than the heads of household here most family members, especially young people, have more on their minds than neighborhood politics.
> I think HARC is much more of interest to people here on a daily basis. The roads are a critical issue on a daily basis. HACA is also important and needed but most people here don't care much about HACA one way or another, as along as the work gets done.
> And the work gets done, thanks to a handful of volunteers. Ditto HARC.
> Aloha, Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Russell Brauher
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:949] Photo's plus
>
> Mark,
> There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
> A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
> Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
> HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
> If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
> I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
> If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
>
> From: markands...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
>
> I don't know where you are getting that Russ- HACA is a cohesive group fostering a cohesive neighborhood. Just ask John, Fred and the others who were instrumental in instituting the Saturday morning pancake breakfast/talk story neighborhood gathering, etc.
> I thought I should check out this discussion group but I hope there is more talk about actual issues and less mud-slinging and rumors. Peace, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnlehnert
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:942] Photo's plus
>
> Huh? I've never heard of any of this until now. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. The separate road group idea is not new, but its actually forming now?! Are there specifics as to names, dates, etc.? Somewhere I heard a rumor that rumors were circulating, but lacking specifics, it was probably only a rumor. Hey! This sounds like a good way to start a rumor!! I love it here.
> John
>
> On 4/7/2011 9:47 AM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:
> It was not a harc choice.
> It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
> Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
> Russ
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:936] Photo's plus
> > From: paulsf...@gmail.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
>
> I don't know where you are getting that Russ- HACA is a cohesive group fostering a cohesive neighborhood. Just ask John, Fred and the others who were instrumental in instituting the Saturday morning pancake breakfast/talk story neighborhood gathering, etc.
> I thought I should check out this discussion group but I hope there is more talk about actual issues and less mud-slinging and rumors. Peace, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnlehnert
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:942] Photo's plus
>
> Huh? I've never heard of any of this until now. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. The separate road group idea is not new, but its actually forming now?! Are there specifics as to names, dates, etc.? Somewhere I heard a rumor that rumors were circulating, but lacking specifics, it was probably only a rumor. Hey! This sounds like a good way to start a rumor!! I love it here.
> John
>
> On 4/7/2011 9:47 AM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:
> It was not a harc choice.
> It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
> Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
> Russ
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:936] Photo's plus
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matt willis
Apr 12, 2011, 12:53:01 PM4/12/11
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I think people are looking for the truth or answers, and not fluffy bunny rainbow in the sky comments, politics are a tough business and if you can't stand the fire get out of them, HA is not Bell, California. Just give us a comment talk is more than fluff.
Gary
Apr 12, 2011, 12:53:32 PM4/12/11
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Jewells, now thats funnnny!!!!
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> Mahalo Susan,
> I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
> Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
> The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
> What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
> I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
> Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
> I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
> A.L.O.H.A. Russ
>
> I think you should direct these questions to the HACA president. Unfortunately, we will get the same response as given before, generic diatribe about getting involved, and how the good will being fostered is the great accomplishment of HACA. Nothing tangible and material.
> Your list of issues with HACA might include the intersection signs. I recall them sitting in a pile in the firehouse the last time I was in there. It's been 5 years since I left HACA after spending 3 years as VP and 7 as President. During my run, HACA got it's first Website, thanks to Eric Barker and Robert Puckett. We got our first Master Plan after 3 years of my work on it, with help from the Jacobson's. We got the Hawaiian names for our roads approved by Bishop Museum, Pua Kanahele, and the County [all my work], and the resulting signage that someone stole or threw in the bushes. Most were recovered and stashed in the firehouse. Why they sat for so long is the question. We put a new roof on the building and had all the old usable pieces stolen the first night they were stacked. I'm sure there's more!
> The only failure I believe I had, was not getting LS out. How so many, could not see thru her blew me away! Ultimately it caught up to her before more serious damage was done.
> What I find curious is the Sat. morn breakfast thingy. One person wants to give HACA credit, another says they put out nothing but the use of the space. That's remarkable!
> I've always said the CD investments should be cashed out for a building enlargment or a pavillion. No one ever agreed!
> Mahalo Susan for the drive you have to fix the problems and for reminding us over and over. You are one of the JEWEL'S of HA.
> I hope the letter to the AG helps HACA and HARC push the REFRESH tab.
> A.L.O.H.A. Russ
>
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
>
> Mark, i would like to know what work has gotten done . the building remains the same , no maintenance. the catchment tank same ole rusty condition , leaking on the side ,cover still inside and its been that way for over a year. the grounds poorly maintained and a board member paid to do the work. people that live in the community are not happy about HACA . Why is there over $30,000.00 in a savings account , ,what is the purpose of keeping a large sum of money in a savings account ,and paying taxes on it, why isn't it used to better the building , or the grounds you are depriving the community. also now charging fees to sign up for internet makes you a business for profit, no longer non-profit.
> why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
> credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
>
> as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:970] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:09:24 -1000
>
> Mark, i would like to know what work has gotten done . the building remains the same , no maintenance. the catchment tank same ole rusty condition , leaking on the side ,cover still inside and its been that way for over a year. the grounds poorly maintained and a board member paid to do the work. people that live in the community are not happy about HACA . Why is there over $30,000.00 in a savings account , ,what is the purpose of keeping a large sum of money in a savings account ,and paying taxes on it, why isn't it used to better the building , or the grounds you are depriving the community. also now charging fees to sign up for internet makes you a business for profit, no longer non-profit.
> why don't you post the budget on line for people to see what is going on with the funds?
> credibility is number one both boards have lost sight of the mission.............they represent the people who voted for them .
>
> as i have stated before, a letter is in process to be sent to the states attorney general and the chamber of commerce , asking for an investigation of both the non-profits . susann
>
> From: markands...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
>
> Actually there are many reasons why Hawaiian Acres residents don't try to become involved in HACA or HARC. I would put credibility way down on the that list.
> Towards the top I would put the fact that in this bad economy many folks are working overtime or more than one job and are just trying to keep their heads above water, with no time or energy for volunteering.
> Another popular reason is that MANY people here could not care less about local politics and do not know or care to know even what HARC or HACA stand for, much less how they work, etc.
> And another great reason for lack of interest is that other than the heads of household here most family members, especially young people, have more on their minds than neighborhood politics.
> I think HARC is much more of interest to people here on a daily basis. The roads are a critical issue on a daily basis. HACA is also important and needed but most people here don't care much about HACA one way or another, as along as the work gets done.
> And the work gets done, thanks to a handful of volunteers. Ditto HARC.
> Aloha, Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Russell Brauher
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:949] Photo's plus
>
> Mark,
> There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
> A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
> Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
> HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
> If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
> I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
> If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
>
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:966] Photo's plus
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:43 -1000
>
> Actually there are many reasons why Hawaiian Acres residents don't try to become involved in HACA or HARC. I would put credibility way down on the that list.
> Towards the top I would put the fact that in this bad economy many folks are working overtime or more than one job and are just trying to keep their heads above water, with no time or energy for volunteering.
> Another popular reason is that MANY people here could not care less about local politics and do not know or care to know even what HARC or HACA stand for, much less how they work, etc.
> And another great reason for lack of interest is that other than the heads of household here most family members, especially young people, have more on their minds than neighborhood politics.
> I think HARC is much more of interest to people here on a daily basis. The roads are a critical issue on a daily basis. HACA is also important and needed but most people here don't care much about HACA one way or another, as along as the work gets done.
> And the work gets done, thanks to a handful of volunteers. Ditto HARC.
> Aloha, Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Russell Brauher
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:949] Photo's plus
>
> Mark,
> There are 2 groups that serve the HA community. Both suffer from a lack of memberships. Why is that? Would you venture the guess that it's poverty? IT IS CREDIBILITY! I don't think you hear the other 80% [or whatever it is] of the landowners not climbing over each other to have the coveted distinction of being HACA members. HACA is still a private club. Always has been.
> A.L.O.H.A. is what we would call a community group that represents All-Landowners-Of-Hawaiian-Acres.
> Only a few see what HACA does, which is basically rent a building, provide wireless internet for only paid members, and as you imply, the Sat. [Healthy] Pancake thingy. The same for HARC, a few holes get fixed, and some gravel moved around from time to time.
> HARC has a greater ratio of resident members for obvious reasons. Can you tell us what the ratio is for HACA? I'm leaving my assertion stand until the facts are shared.
> If cohesiveness is the building that both groups use, your right. It does not indicate cohesiveness when HACA kicks HARC out of the office into a file cabinet.
> I see the Saturday event is a huge success. No room to park, etc...
> If I'm spreading rumours, can you elaborate. Russ
>
> From: markands...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
>
> I don't know where you are getting that Russ- HACA is a cohesive group fostering a cohesive neighborhood. Just ask John, Fred and the others who were instrumental in instituting the Saturday morning pancake breakfast/talk story neighborhood gathering, etc.
> I thought I should check out this discussion group but I hope there is more talk about actual issues and less mud-slinging and rumors. Peace, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnlehnert
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:942] Photo's plus
>
> Huh? I've never heard of any of this until now. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. The separate road group idea is not new, but its actually forming now?! Are there specifics as to names, dates, etc.? Somewhere I heard a rumor that rumors were circulating, but lacking specifics, it was probably only a rumor. Hey! This sounds like a good way to start a rumor!! I love it here.
> John
>
> On 4/7/2011 9:47 AM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:
> It was not a harc choice.
> It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
> Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
> Russ
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:936] Photo's plus
> > From: paulsf...@gmail.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:947] Photo's plus
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:48 -1000
>
> I don't know where you are getting that Russ- HACA is a cohesive group fostering a cohesive neighborhood. Just ask John, Fred and the others who were instrumental in instituting the Saturday morning pancake breakfast/talk story neighborhood gathering, etc.
> I thought I should check out this discussion group but I hope there is more talk about actual issues and less mud-slinging and rumors. Peace, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnlehnert
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:942] Photo's plus
>
> Huh? I've never heard of any of this until now. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. The separate road group idea is not new, but its actually forming now?! Are there specifics as to names, dates, etc.? Somewhere I heard a rumor that rumors were circulating, but lacking specifics, it was probably only a rumor. Hey! This sounds like a good way to start a rumor!! I love it here.
> John
>
> On 4/7/2011 9:47 AM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:
> It was not a harc choice.
> It appears that haca is trying to distance themselves from any semblance of a cohesive community. There's discussion of letting roads revert back the original entity. Rumour has it that another seperate road group is forming.
> Also, someone has leaked out info that Hi Co may drop pear maintenance to make ends meet.
> Russ
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:936] Photo's plus
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Susan Tita
Apr 12, 2011, 3:32:21 PM4/12/11
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the harc board had some members that served for 3 years some that served for 1 year (like you gary) and some that have served for 5 years + and that board member is presently on the board , that will be her 6 the time with one year break .
it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interresting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( thats pretty hard to do ). the first set of records dissappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, agressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was sdismissed in court . now the lattest action by the board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screeen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harrassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
susann
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:51:51 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
>
it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interresting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( thats pretty hard to do ). the first set of records dissappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, agressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was sdismissed in court . now the lattest action by the board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screeen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harrassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
susann
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:51:51 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
>
Susan Tita
Apr 12, 2011, 3:46:54 PM4/12/11
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gary
From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:32:21 -1000
the harc board had some members that served for 3 years some that served for 1 year (like you gary) and some that have served for 5 years + and that board member is presently on the board , that will be her 6 the time with one year break .
it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interresting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( thats pretty hard to do ). the first set of records dissappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, agressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was dismissed in court . now the lattest action by a board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screeen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harrassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stoped to speak to you.
and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stoped to speak to you.
Mark-Sterling Van Doren
Apr 12, 2011, 4:24:49 PM4/12/11
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As I've said before, HACA Board members John and Fred deserve most of the
credit for beginning and maintaining the Saturday morning gathering at the
Community Center. Aloha, Mark
Gary
Apr 12, 2011, 3:56:16 PM4/12/11
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I would respond to your half truths and misimfo but this is what you
feed off of, I have nothing more to say to you!!!!!!!
have a great day
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feed off of, I have nothing more to say to you!!!!!!!
have a great day
On Apr 12, 9:46 am, Susan Tita <francisdon...@msn.com> wrote:
> gary
>
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:32:21 -1000
>
> the harc board had some members that served for 3 years some that served for 1 year (like you gary) and some that have served for 5 years + and that board member is presently on the board , that will be her 6 the time with one year break .
> it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interresting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( thats pretty hard to do ). the first set of records dissappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
> Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, agressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was dismissed in court . now the lattest action by a board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screeen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harrassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
> and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stoped to speak to you.
> susann
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:51:51 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> > From: g...@easthawaii.net
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:32:21 -1000
>
> the harc board had some members that served for 3 years some that served for 1 year (like you gary) and some that have served for 5 years + and that board member is presently on the board , that will be her 6 the time with one year break .
> it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interresting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( thats pretty hard to do ). the first set of records dissappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
> Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, agressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was dismissed in court . now the lattest action by a board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screeen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harrassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
> and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stoped to speak to you.
> susann
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> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:51:51 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
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Jack Russell Brauher
Apr 12, 2011, 11:45:43 PM4/12/11
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Now I get it. Your disdain for Susan is clouding your better judgement, and spelling. Russ
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:53:32 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:990] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:53:32 -0700
> Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:990] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 5:13:11 AM4/13/11
to hawaiianacres
one thing is for sure I have documents and proof to substantiate what i say . except when you were going to run me over with your tractor , it was just you and i no witness . believe me i couldn't make this stuff up .susann
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:56:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:56:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
>
> I would respond to your half truths and misimfo but this is what you
> feed off of, I have nothing more to say to you!!!!!!!
> have a great day
> On Apr 12, 9:46 am, Susan Tita <francisdon...@msn.com> wrote:
> > gary
> >
> > From: francisdon...@msn.com
> > To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:988] Re: Photo's plus
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:32:21 -1000
> >
> > the harc board had some members that served for 3 years some that served for 1 year (like you gary) and some that have served for 5 years + and that board member is presently on the board , that will be her 6 the time with one year break .
> > it would be nice to look at all records except the records keep getting stolen and interesting some of the same records have been reported missing twice ( that's pretty hard to do ). the first set of records disappeared when lorie resigned and just a month ago another report filed for the same records being robbed from a locked and alarmed office.
> > Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, aggressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was dismissed in court . now the latest action by a board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
> > and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stopped to speak to you.
> > Yes now lets talk about conduct at the annual meeting a grievance was filed against a current board member for disruptive, aggressive out of control behavior at meetings, a court action was filed by the same board member in an attempt to ban a paid resident from attending meetings , that was dismissed in court . now the latest action by a board is to ban myself from speaking to anyone connected to Harc except the president and secretary (they will screen all my questions and requests) now thats what I call bulling and intimidation . also add the harassing emails that i have copies of from a board member.
> > and i almost forgot to add at the annual meeting you had to be told to sit down , after you got up and began to approach me finger pointed at me , angry. or how about the time last year when you were on your tractor on rd c and drove up on me in a threatening manner,stopping short of hitting my legs, when i stopped to speak to you.
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 5:16:16 AM4/13/11
to hawaiianacres
From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:13:11 -1000
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 5:21:55 AM4/13/11
to hawaiianacres
Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 5:24:28 AM4/13/11
to hawaiianacres
Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
Gary
Apr 13, 2011, 7:02:09 PM4/13/11
to Hawaiian Acres
I do remember that day, I was volunteering my time on my tractor
between 8 + 9 rd on c grading the road, by the way I live on the
upside of c rd, road grading you are concentrating on what your doing
when you jumped out in from of me screaming for me to stop, scarred
the daylights out of me and had to slam on the o brakes. after your
interagation on what the hell i was doing we actually had a pleasant
conversation, a good hour, I thought, alright maybe we can get along,
but of coursre, I was wrong!!
on the documents, all things are documented and like I said before,
you were the ones on the board for the last 6 years, not me, and all
things will be looked at.
Have a good day!
G
On Apr 12, 11:24 pm, Susan Tita <francisdon...@msn.com> wrote:
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> ...
>
> read more »
between 8 + 9 rd on c grading the road, by the way I live on the
upside of c rd, road grading you are concentrating on what your doing
when you jumped out in from of me screaming for me to stop, scarred
the daylights out of me and had to slam on the o brakes. after your
interagation on what the hell i was doing we actually had a pleasant
conversation, a good hour, I thought, alright maybe we can get along,
but of coursre, I was wrong!!
on the documents, all things are documented and like I said before,
you were the ones on the board for the last 6 years, not me, and all
things will be looked at.
Have a good day!
G
On Apr 12, 11:24 pm, Susan Tita <francisdon...@msn.com> wrote:
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:16:16 -1000
>
> From: francisdon...@msn.com
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:13:11 -1000
>
> one thing is for sure I have documents and proof to substantiate what i say . except when you were going to run me over with your tractor , it was just you and i no witness . believe me i couldn't make this stuff up .susann
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:56:16 -0700
> > Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> > From: g...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:13:11 -1000
>
> one thing is for sure I have documents and proof to substantiate what i say . except when you were going to run me over with your tractor , it was just you and i no witness . believe me i couldn't make this stuff up .susann
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:56:16 -0700
> > Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:996] Re: Photo's plus
>
> read more »
Gary
Apr 13, 2011, 7:11:56 PM4/13/11
to Hawaiian Acres
I guess your spell check is working better than mine, as far as liking
someone or not, its not about that at all, its not about liking or
disliking someone, I honestly believe we all have the same goal of
whats best for our roads and community, just totally different ways of
getting it done!! I will ignore the better judgement putdown
Have a good day
G
On Apr 12, 5:45 pm, Jack Russell Brauher <pulam...@live.com> wrote:
> Now I get it. Your disdain for Susan is clouding your better judgement, and spelling. Russ
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:53:32 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:990] Re: Photo's plus
> > From: g...@easthawaii.net
> ...
>
> read more »
someone or not, its not about that at all, its not about liking or
disliking someone, I honestly believe we all have the same goal of
whats best for our roads and community, just totally different ways of
getting it done!! I will ignore the better judgement putdown
Have a good day
G
On Apr 12, 5:45 pm, Jack Russell Brauher <pulam...@live.com> wrote:
> Now I get it. Your disdain for Susan is clouding your better judgement, and spelling. Russ
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:53:32 -0700
> > Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:990] Re: Photo's plus
>
> read more »
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 8:09:58 PM4/13/11
to hawaiianacres
i have never served on the board for 6 years ,, never,, look at the sign in register of past meetings ..oh but they were stolen in the last robbery
I never , ever screamed at you, nor anyone else i find to do that is ignorant , loss of self control and unprofessional, and the main reason i resigned from the board . I could not tolerate a couple board members making that part of their meeting behavior, along with tossing a chair and pencils and the swearing yelling it was all to much.
I would not jump in front of your tractor, I'm to old and to chubby to do those feats of agility anymore and definitely not that dumb.
gary i have reached out to you on several occasions in an attempt to have a working relationship, you have a fixation of hate for me and you cant seem to get beyond that , unfortunate but obvious , your behavior at meetings and your statements directed to me at meetings as well as your internet posts , I wish you would put that energy into road repair and focus on the needs of the community.
all the folks want in our community is to drive on a decent road , not a perfect road a passable road. folks want to see meaningful work done on the roads . that is where my focus comes from, susann
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:02:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:1034] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
I never , ever screamed at you, nor anyone else i find to do that is ignorant , loss of self control and unprofessional, and the main reason i resigned from the board . I could not tolerate a couple board members making that part of their meeting behavior, along with tossing a chair and pencils and the swearing yelling it was all to much.
I would not jump in front of your tractor, I'm to old and to chubby to do those feats of agility anymore and definitely not that dumb.
gary i have reached out to you on several occasions in an attempt to have a working relationship, you have a fixation of hate for me and you cant seem to get beyond that , unfortunate but obvious , your behavior at meetings and your statements directed to me at meetings as well as your internet posts , I wish you would put that energy into road repair and focus on the needs of the community.
all the folks want in our community is to drive on a decent road , not a perfect road a passable road. folks want to see meaningful work done on the roads . that is where my focus comes from, susann
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:02:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:1034] Re: Photo's plus
> From: ga...@easthawaii.net
> To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Susan Tita
Apr 13, 2011, 8:14:13 PM4/13/11
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:09:58 -1000
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