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Since you all just read Russ response :.The charter clearly states "umbrella clause"  for HARC 
That means  when we get hit or killed on 8 road or 1 : the 2 county  public used roads, HARC dissolves, and county is sued for illegal PAR that failed every Ea and Eis ordered by state.  
How come nobody complained about the 3 million dollar culvert that no water flows through ?'
Non payers take all our time and money. 
All roads here were done privately by land owners .
Perhaps we should just revert to that .
Excuse to not pay because there is no money to do roads perfectly ,is a oxy moron .
Roads should be perfect before anyone pays?
Freedom of speech,;  we allow non members on website for non payment ; spreading more defamation and slander 
Not one thing mentioned is true .
 about roads they never contribute too.
They  make no sense.
 I Counted responses from non members vs paid members .'guess who complain the most ?  



On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:29, hawaiianac...@googlegroups.com wrote:

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 Topic: Self Dealing
    ": )" <paul...@gmail.com> Apr 11 02:15AM -0700 ^
     
    Against state law - Self Dealing.The paperwork was delivered to the
    H.A.C.A. office .
    A person in a post here says a board member (s) of H.A.C.A. gets paid
    $250.00 a month to maintain the grounds.If this is true,then it is
    against the laws in the state of Hawaii .As per Self Dealing.
     
    www.capitol.hawaii.gov-/hrs current/vol08-ch0401-04291HR
     
     
    On a side note - the last time i went in for free pancakes on a
    saturday,flies were all over the pancakes and no refridgeration of
    ingredients what so ever.
    Having many years in food service industry,this is a potential HUGE
    liability in the realm of unsanatary and food borne illness.
    Has the health department passed the kitchen as a safe venue for
    serving food to the masses ?
     
     
    ME

     

    "Steve B." <knsn...@yahoo.com> Apr 11 07:07AM -0700 ^
     
    This is the typical bullshit caused by ignorance.
     
    First, you have to hide your identity in your message "From: <>" cause you're a coward.
     
    Second, you want to twist the facts to "slander and defame" HACA.  The lawn maintenance contract was put out for bid and awarded based on the HACA Board of directors bidding proccess. Go to the meetings and you would know the facts first hand.
     
    Third, The Saturday get together is not run by HACA nor is any of the FREE food you eat provided by HACA. Nor have I ever seen the kitchen in the condition which you alledge.
     
    Again, slander and defamation of character by a coward.
     
    Tell me this, does the HARC board of dictators still require a mediator during their meetings due to the childish behaviour of some of the "elected officers"?
     
    Is the new HARC office manager a replacement for ONE more manager who quit rather than deal with the drama HARC likes to create?
     
    Fact is Laurie quit after ten years because of the HARC board, Brenda quit after one year because of the HARC board!
     
    Back to the flies in the kitchen, maybe they followed the smell of the bullshit.
     
     
    Steve Bagenstose
     
    --- On Sun, 4/10/11, <> wrote:
     
    From: <>
    Subject: [Hawaiian Acres:962] Self Dealing
    To: "Hawaiian Acres" <hawaii...@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 11:15 PM
     
    Against state law - Self Dealing.The paperwork was delivered to the
    H.A.C.A. office .
    A person in a post here says a board member (s) of H.A.C.A. gets paid
    $250.00 a month to maintain the grounds.If this is true,then it is
    against the laws in the state of Hawaii .As per Self Dealing.
     
    www.capitol.hawaii.gov-/hrs current/vol08-ch0401-04291HR
     
     
    On a side note - the last time i went in for free pancakes on a
    saturday,flies were all over the pancakes and no refridgeration of
    ingredients what so ever.
    Having many years in food service industry,this is a potential HUGE
    liability in the realm of unsanatary and food borne illness.
    Has the health department passed the kitchen as a safe venue for
    serving food to the masses ?
     
     
    ME
     
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    matt willis <rvrefri...@gmail.com> Apr 10 06:19AM -1000 ^
     
    Russ
    Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not
    having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
    Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it
    would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was
    trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out
    of those dues.
    I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time
    and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is
    a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may
    not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
    I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be
    brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to
    spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread
    the rock,
    Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone
    racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies
    to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
    Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair
    person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.
     
    To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there
    is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it
    takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against
    litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being
    held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership
    is down now, watch it if that happens.
    Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
    Have a beautiful Sunday
    Matt
     

     

    "Steve B." <knsn...@yahoo.com> Apr 10 10:21AM -0700 ^
     
    Good point Matt. That's why I won't pay the road dues, throwing good money after bad.
     
      Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.   Have a beautiful Sunday      Matt     

     

    Jack Russell Brauher <pula...@live.com> Apr 10 08:16AM -1000 ^
     
    Awesome Response Matt,
    I look forward to our first introduction!
    A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ

     
     
    Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
    Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
    From: rvrefri...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    CC: maka...@live.com
     
    Russ
    Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
    Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
    I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
    I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
    Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
    Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.

    To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
    Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
    Have a beautiful Sunday
    Matt

     
    On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jack Russell Brauher <maka...@live.com> wrote:
     
     
    Philip,
    I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
    HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
    HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
    HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
    The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
    HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
    The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
    Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
    Russ
     
     
    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
    From: pjt...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
     
     
     
     
    Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
     
     
    HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
     
     
    Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
     
     
    As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
     
     
    Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
     
     
    Philip
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    Susan Tita <franci...@msn.com> Apr 10 09:41AM -1000 ^
     
    hooray for russ to speak up!!!! a sad fact is that if speaking the truth is considered "mudslinging" then the community is stuck in limbo. Just like the board for HACA by laws fixed so the same regime remains. Just like the community center same ole pile of dirty clothes when you enter the building, same ole rusted out water catchment tank , with the cover inside, the outside grounds half mowed and maintained by a board member paid about $250.00 a month to do the work. really moving forward yet there is about $30,000.00 in a savings account never touched ???? why is that. the breakfast now i think that is a positive for the community , i see allot of people stopping by to get a filling free meal , and that's a good thing in hard economic times.
    HARC , they may be well on their way to dissolution. the money taken in this year is about $32,000.00 only $21,000 going to road repair the rest is going to administrative operating costs........say no more on that. as far as the road repair, pathetic the roads are in the worst condition they have been in years. so where is the money going . look at the budget that doesn't tell you , attend a meeting you wont find anything out there either except you have a very anti- community group that has NO intention of being transparent . read meeting minutes ,,, not accurate what else to be said except the revenues will decline until there are no funds for them to continue.

    rumors , talk to people in the community and find out they are mad as hell about all of this and folks are willing to get involved in a NEW road group , which is presently getting off the ground . Lastly a letter will be sent to the States Attorney General and the chamber commerce ( the branches of government that oversee business and non-profits) asking for a comprehensive look into the matter. susann

     
     
    From: pula...@live.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:954] Photo's plus
    Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:16:10 -1000
     
     
     
     
    Awesome Response Matt,
    I look forward to our first introduction!
    A even bigger issue, is that the private status of these roads will always dictate how maintenance is done. Mahalo, Russ

     
     
    Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
    Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
    From: rvrefri...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    CC: maka...@live.com
     
    Russ
    Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
    Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
    I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
    I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
    Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
    Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.

    To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
    Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
    Have a beautiful Sunday
    Matt

     
    On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jack Russell Brauher <maka...@live.com> wrote:
     
     
    Philip,
    I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
    HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
    HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
    HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
    The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
    HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
    The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
    Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
    Russ
     
     
    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
    From: pjt...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
     
     
     
     
    Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
     
     
    HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
     
     
    Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
     
     
    As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
     
     
    Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
     
     
    Philip
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    Susan Tita <franci...@msn.com> Apr 10 09:53AM -1000 ^
     
    a resident on the raod B witnessed the load of rock being dumped , no one else was there no road supervisor, the rock was dumped over the paving strips ( wrong place ) and has since washed away . no old ladies spread anything only in their dreams.

    also if i understood correctly at the last road meeting, it was the president of the committee that proposed the new web site for HARC . part of administrative money .

     
     
    Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:19:18 -1000
    Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:952] Photo's plus
    From: rvrefri...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    CC: maka...@live.com
     
    Russ
    Well spoken, it is nice to know the history of HACA and HARC not having liability insurance in this day is a big mistake.
    Things are starting to get more clear about what is happening here, it would be nice to see the HA community stick together, Last time I post I was trying to understand why there would be membership dues and no results out of those dues.
    I hear from people in HA offering to donate equipment and their time and only be shut down by asking they are licensed and bonded that is a reasonable question, however in a lawsuit that contractors insurance may not protect HARC just the person doing the work.
    I was told by the chair person of Rd B that HARC paid for rock to be brought in on part of Rd B but there was not funds to rent equipment to spread the rock all she had was old ladies with rakes and shovels to spread the rock,
    Now if that is true all it takes is some person on a dirt bike or someone racing through not watching where they are going and hit one of those ladies to throw HARC in a lawsuit.
    Those ladies are what I call pride in the community, and the Chair person of Rd B said that some of them were not even members.

    To me $50 does not buy much of anything in the way of road repair,and there is allot more road than what HARC has in its coffers, and we all know it takes results to get donations, but first and foremost protection against litigation should be first on the list or that little bit of money being held to fix the roads will go into a lawyers pocket and you think membership is down now, watch it if that happens.
    Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
    Have a beautiful Sunday
    Matt

     
    On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jack Russell Brauher <maka...@live.com> wrote:
     
     
    Philip,
    I'm surprised you don't know the history of HACA yet.
    HACA is the original entity tasked with road maintenance. It's the only reason they ever existed. It was required by the County, to the developer, to start a group to do it. HACA is that entity.
    HARC was created, with controversy and a very narrow vote, for the purpose of protecting HACA from litigation in the event of a tragic event on the roads for which they are responsible, and the resulting litigation. You [or anyone else] do not have the information or experience in the HA community to refute this. You were not involved in 1998 when 2 accidents occurred that brought on the misguided idea to separate road responsibility.
    HARC is designed to revert back to HACA should they be litigated against or fail. How is it, you still don't know this? This is exactly why I'm opposed to it's existence. What kind of credibility are we thinking HARC has, with it set up like this? They have no liability insurance.
    The only reason I volunteer to be the pavement chair, is I trailer a boat in and out Road 1.
    HACA's credibility suffers greatly. Why do you think the membership base never exceeds about 25% of the landowners? It's not about the yearly fee. Have you ever looked at the relationship between members that live locally vs. the mainland or elsewhere? My estimate is that absentee members look at their membership as a status to their piers, not out of benevolence to the HA community.
    The idea that HARC have their own website spawned from somewhere other than the HARC board. I've been asking and nobody can say with a definite answer. So the assertion that the seed was planted by whoever found it problematic to make the HACA website work like it should, stands.
    Cohesiveness means working together as one, in my book. It's not what I see is devolving (sic) here.
    Russ
     
     
    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:32:48 -0700
    From: pjt...@gmail.com
    To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:939] Photo's plus
     
     
     
     
    Speaking as a HACA board member, I think that we do everything practicable to promote cohesiveness in the community. The get-together every Saturday morning at the community centre is very popular; we have many users of the wifi hotspot; and more and more groups want to rent the Community Centre for their meetings. Our resources are very limited, so we have to choose carefully what to get involved with.
     
     
    HARC wanted to run their own website, and HACA co-operated to help that happen. To the best of my knowledge, no-one imposed this choice on HARC.
     
     
    Can you tell us what is this "original entity" that the roads would revert to?
     
     
    As for a separate road group: I think there have always been small groups of neighbours who get together to make local improvements to the HA roads - that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
     
     
    Re: dropping PEAR maintenance - looking at the potholes along it, seems like that may have already happened!
     
     
    Philip
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    johnlehnert <john.l...@gmail.com> Apr 10 01:49PM -1000 ^
     
    HARC is now in a file cabinet? When did HARC get kicked out of the
    office? Did I miss a meeting?
    John
     
    On 4/9/2011 11:24 PM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:

     

    johnlehnert <john.l...@gmail.com> Apr 10 01:53PM -1000 ^
     
    Gary
    I've been getting newsletters from HACA since 1980. I agree with
    Russ about the history, though his delivery is a bit sensational.
     
    On 4/10/2011 12:01 AM, Jack Russell Brauher wrote:

     

    johnlehnert <john.l...@gmail.com> Apr 10 05:44AM -1000 ^
     
    Paul
    Sorry I was confused and didn't recognize this was from you.
    There are two other people who send me emails signed by "Me".
    John Lehnert
    You probably get several emails from different "John"s,
     
    On 4/7/2011 7:24 AM, : ) wrote:

     

    matt willis <rvrefri...@gmail.com> Apr 10 05:40PM -1000 ^
     
    Thanks Russ
    I also look forward to meeting you and anyone else who truly wants to get
    beyond this petty stagnation that apparently has been going on for years. I
    ran in to this same type of thing in California and have been dealing with
    it for years. Ever since I have owned a tractor (23 years now) I maintained
    the community roads where I lived. The majority of that time with no
    reimbursement from the neighbors, but they sure enjoyed the smooth roads.
    Occasionally someone would offer diesel money but often times I didn't even
    receive so much as a thank-you....I had not considered that in moving to
    Hawaii I would be right back in the same mess!!
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Matt
     
     
     

     

    ": )" <paul...@gmail.com> Apr 10 03:48PM -0700 ^
     
    I am Me,Russ is correct.To date no one has gotten back to me where i
    can send the photo's to of Hawaiian Acres roads that i have taken over
    the years in High Resolution for the new H.A.R.C. page.
    That aside , i am still requestiing to see where the $ 1000.00 is of
    the peoples money that was given to repair and patch the existing
    pavement strips on D rd from 3 rd to 9 rds respectively.
    It was end of the year monies ,approx 4 yrs ago and due to my health
    i had to resign at that time.The pavement was repaired from 3 to 4 and
    from 8 to 9 and saved the last $ 1000.00 to repair from 6rd to 7rd on
    the worst steepest section.
    The money seemed to vanish,no records of it exist in any of the
    purchace orders and no one knows where it went.
    I have been along with other neighbors who do pay their dues yearly
    have been requesting the pavement strips from 6rd to 7rd be fixed for
    the last 3 years.
    D rd from 4 to 11 was only slightly worked on once this year from
    last years left over monies.The year before that nothing done at all
    from 4 to 8 on D and the year prior only from 1 to 3 rds respectively.
    When i was on the board as Drd chair,regular maintenance was done
    monthly and had P.E, doing from Rd 1 to Rd 3 ( his Rd ) for free with
    his bobcat.He also ,out of pocket fixed with his workers the potholes
    on rd 1.
    The machine i operated belonged to a farm in kapoho and had liability
    insurance and the machine that worked from 8 to 11 monthly had
    liability insurance as well.The grader person also has liability
    insurance.
    The meeting i did attend 2 months ago,the Prez of H.A.R.C. stated
    that now all operators have to be BONDED and insured as a man came to
    the board meeting and offered free hauling and labour if the board
    would pay just the materials.Of course the Prez of H.A.R.C. said NO
    WAY due to the fact of the new rule out of thin air about haveing now
    to be BONDED.
    Funny how H.A.R.C. has no liability insurance themselves and if taken
    into litigation the deeper pockets would be HACA as the H.A.R.C.
    organization will just cease to exist and fall back on H.A.C.A. as
    written in the original charter and bylaws of H.A.R.C. that is now
    being totally revamped so no checks and balances- ie: transpearancy.
    I still want to know where i can send my photo's that show Hawaiian
    acres roads for helping with the new H.A.R.C page. No one ever got
    back to me,the original post got all morphed into rumors and rants.

     

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Susan Tita

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Apr 11, 2011, 4:16:51 PM4/11/11
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your statement is one of the main reasons folks dont want to pay . folks just dont like being insulted
 
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matt willis

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Apr 11, 2011, 6:04:33 PM4/11/11
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None of you know me since I am new to the area.  However I would be honored to become a member as soon as we have some agreement on the disagreements.  A person can earn 50 bucks panhandling on a street corner these days, we all know its not the money, or is it?

 I will make a deal with you Patrice.  My time is worth more than the 50 dollar membership that you scream so loudly about.  Why don't you put it to a vote for all of us who would like to be a member but would really like to show community pride and donate hours of our time to become a member? It's not the money that is stopping me, it's more the screaming member /non-member secret handshake club that bothers me.  Give me a reasonable set of hours to serve HARC and I'll even take an honorary membership.

Matt
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