Discussions about HACA

[Diana]

Aloha everyone,
If you've been reading the recent discussions, you might be wondering
what is going on in our community. I am the current HACA president
and would only like to make a few comments about our organization.

We are a community organization whose membership is not mandatory.
So, we rely on voluntary payment of dues. The board members are all
volunteers and we meet monthly, the second Monday of every month at
6:30 PM, except every third month when we meet the second Sunday at 2
PM. (These are our meeting of the members....next meeting of the
members is in July) We just had our bi-annual election this January,
so the next election will be in 2013. Our bylaws we changed a few
years back (with a vote of the members) to allow election every two
years versus annually, since we were expending money and effort for
the elections and it seemed people generally stayed on the board for
more than one year. (We always look for ways to best utilize the
funds of the organization.) Anyone who is a member of HACA (and a
resident of the state of Hawaii) is welcome to put their name on the
ballot when the next election comes around. But, if you'd like to
get involved sooner, you can always attend a meeting to see if there
is anything of interest to you that you might want to volunteer some
time and effort towards.

Some of the things that we provide members are:
- a community center that is maintained and available for rent at a
reasonable cost
- WiFi access
- an office staffed with an office manager
- newsletters posted online twice a year (Note: mailed to members
upon request or to non-members when provided with a SASE.)

We are always interested in community input, so if you have some
ideas, please do get involved.
If you are curious about our meetings, please attend one. I think we
have an energetic and professional group on the board and it has been
my honor to chair the meetings of this group.
Please do not base you opinion of HACA or the board solely on the
discussions that you've read on this group. Come to our meetings and
meet the people on the board. (We really are nice people with good
intentions.)

aloha,
diana
di...@hawaiianacres.org

[Davis Smythe]

Mahalo Diana - well said.

[Jack Russell Brauher]

Mahalo Diana,
   It looks like your next Presidents Report!
   To bad your list is so short on what HACA provides.
   Why can't HACA spend the saved funds for improvements to the building etc...????????
   Are you training the Office Manger yet, on how to deal with the wide variety of personalities here? Or just waiting for the next explosion? And the resulting damage control.
                                                                                                                                                              A.L.O.H.A.          Russ 
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[diana]

Russ,
You have some entertaining posts of late.

And you are most welcome to come to our meeting to work on how we are going to get those building improvements...since we have not seen a way that we could afford to do any building expansions. 

From what I can see, we do not have the financial reserves to do any expansions.  Because we are a community organization, we would have to get any improvements done by a licensed contractor.  So let's see...plans, permits, building supplies and labors costs....seems like it could cost a chunk of change.  We have no guaranteed income due to our voluntary dues, so in these depressed economic times, it might be prudent scrutinize any expenditure beyond maintenance of current facilities.

Our office manager seems more than capable in dealing with all personalities.   What explosion are you referring to?  

diana

[Jack Russell Brauher]

So what's the excuse for when the "economic times" were at a high 3 years ago?
How long have the promises of Grant Writers been in the air?
So why have Susan's, Ronda's, and Randy's personalities been the catalyst for cutting off HARC's use of the office? If what you say is true about the OM?
Your closing question shows you lack the understanding of what a metaphor for an unruly, irate, member, or landowner is.
Are you telling us that HACA has no more CD investments? Or other significant funds not reflected in the budget?
Even if the economic times had been dismal thru out your 5 years, you could have directed some facility plans, at least. What cha got?
Are the street signs still in the Firehouse? When is the Firehouse getting a Termite treatment? The Water Tank issue resolved yet?
As far as my entertaining post' go, I'm only responding to others. But you might not of caught it!
So what's the answers to my earlier questions now that you're avoiding them?
When ever you might be on the spot, you do this thing again and again, "come get involved". Been there!  The only thing HACA agrees on, is to disagree with forward progress. Everything is putting out fires or damage control, or discussing the same thing over and over, or trivial non-tangible visions of imagined accomplishments. 
It's not your fault, it's the nature of the beast.
Move over and let some fresh blood in.  It will be positive!
                                                                                                       A.L.O.H.A. Russ
 

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:49:36 -1000
From: dian...@earthlink.net
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1011] Discussions about HACA

[Susan Tita]

diana , I think that $30.000.00 in a savings account is more than enough money to put to good use for the community, rather then leaving it in a cd account for years until it has been forgotten.
there have been no improvements or maintenance done on the community center in years. you have gone so far as to unplug the refrigerator to not pay electric on having it running, which was about $15.oo a month. you are not being fair or respectful to this community .
you fired a great grounds keeper to hire a board member. You removed a great security  system and replaced it with a piece of junk installed by a board member that doesn't even have an alarm on it. why???
and don't suggest people go to your meetings , i went once and you got mad because i asked about paying a board member for cutting down a tree. you said " don't come to our meetings and make trouble".  again i repeat myself you are not non-profit you are a business, and i am working on a letter to the attorney general and chamber of commerce to have both HARC and HACA looked at . I will be soliciting the letter for signatures from the community, the same community you are supposed to represent .
susann  

 

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:49:36 -1000
From: dian...@earthlink.net

To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1011] Discussions about HACA

[matt willis]

Sounds like these issues are not going away.

[diana]

Susan,
I do not make decisions for the HACA board.  I put together the agenda and facilitate the meetings.  We take action based on motions brought to the board for vote and we take action on those motions that gain a majority of the vote.

It would be irresponsible for us to plan to spend all the money in savings because as I stated before, we do not have a guaranteed income because of the voluntary dues.  We develop an annual budget based on what we hope will be our income.  We could easily be in the situation when we need to go into the savings to provide the services that we currently do.  Maintenance is done on our building as it is needed.  We have discussed the possibility of a pavilion on the grounds, but do not feel financially able to move forward at this time.

I do recall when you came to our meeting ranting about the rainbow eucalyptus tree being cut down.  (I believe that we paid the Puna Pruna to cut it down by the way...He's not on the board.)  I do not recall saying the words that you quoted me as saying, but I do remember you being a bit confrontational.

I am not sure how unplugging an old refrigerator that uses a lot of energy reflects me being "disrespectful or unfair" to the community.  This was a board decision to see how much our electric bill would go down every month.  The refrigerator was a convenience and most of the time it was nearly empty, which makes it even more of an energy hog.

I hope that you include accurate accounts in the letter that you intend to put out for signatures.  I believe you have included some inaccuracies in what you presented in you note to me below.

If you have some ideas on how the board can do things better, you are welcome to come to any of our meetings.  But, the actions this board has taken were all discussed and actions were taken when we deemed them to be appropriate.

have a nice day,
diana

[diana]

Russ,
I do not have "an excuse."  I do not need an excuse.  Like I just put in my note to Susann, I do not make decisions in a vacuum.  I chair the meetings during which board members often discuss business brought up by motions.  We have discussed pavilions and additions to the HACA building (just as you did when you were on the board), but we too have not moved forward. 
I have always thought grants could be an option to pursue improvements to our community center, but I have never considered it a promise.  I think most grants are available to 501(c)3 organizations and we are 501(c)4.
As you know, some of the street signs that were recovered after being ripped off the posts are in the firehouse.  I believe that we also purchased some self-tapping metal screws that people could use if they wanted to install the signs on the posts.

I believe the Sheldon would be the one to work the termite treatment of the firehouse.  I had no knowledge of bugs in it.  The catchment belongs to the County so maintenance concerns would be taken up by them.

You may contact our treasurer for specifics of our financial status.

I think what HACA has done in the past few years can be viewed as accomplishments.  Why do to we need to be adding buildings to be successful.  HACA's been around for how many years?   The firehouse was added after the initial structure, but I do not see much else.  We have maintained the facilities.  We staff the office.  We also provide what we can with the limited funds and volunteer available.

Fresh blood does not guarantee positive changes.  The old blood that is currently in the office of HACA president could see some changes, but that is up to the board and the input we get from members.

diana 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Russell Brauher
Sent: Apr 12, 2011 9:38 PM
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1012] Discussions about HACA

So what's the excuse for when the "economic times" were at a high 3 years ago?
How long have the promises of Grant Writers been in the air?
So why have Susan's, Ronda's, and Randy's personalities been the catalyst for cutting off HARC's use of the office? If what you say is true about the OM?
Your closing question shows you lack the understanding of what a metaphor for an unruly, irate, member, or landowner is.
Are you telling us that HACA has no more CD investments? Or other significant funds not reflected in the budget?
Even if the economic times had been dismal thru out your 5 years, you could have directed some facility plans, at least. What cha got?
Are the street signs still in the Firehouse? When is the Firehouse getting a Termite treatment? The Water Tank issue resolved yet?
As far as my entertaining post' go, I'm only responding to others. But you might not of caught it!
So what's the answers to my earlier questions now that you're avoiding them?
When ever you might be on the spot, you do this thing again and again, "come get involved". Been there!  The only thing HACA agrees on, is to disagree with forward progress. Everything is putting out fires or damage control, or discussing the same thing over and over, or trivial non-tangible visions of imagined accomplishments. 
It's not your fault, it's the nature of the beast.
Move over and let some fresh blood in.  It will be positive!
                                                                                                       A.L.O.H.A. Russ
 

[matt willis]

I have a few things that are obvious fixes, first thing is open the books I mean every penny that HACA and HARC have taken in if only to the members would be nice stop side stepping the real issue which is money taken in money being held and money spent, again you will never get rid of people asking question until you give them real here it is in black and white check for yourselves with a third party whether it be the land owner that blindly sends money in for their yearly membership or the bank that hold the corps funds.

   You see sooner or later the fence sitter (aka land owners including the ones on the mainland who are the ones blindly sending their money in) will start to ask the same questions that the few that are on here are asking.

    I know how to bring more money in to HA, stop acting like a politician and start acting like the elected leaders of our community, the buck should stop with our leaders, 

   SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

Sounds funny but it has merit, try getting donations up by showing the members where their money will go AND FOLLOW TROUGH WITH IT, for instants  I pay my membership and I know the majority of that money (HARC) road money will be spent on the roads in my area, gets people really motivated when they see their money at work and also gets them to push their neighbors to contribute, of course a smaller amount goes to the other roads and post online who contributed how much with their permission of course.

 You see honesty is the best policy.  

 Mahalo for listening 

    Matt

[matt willis]

BTW I am a non-member as Patrice loves to call the trouble makers, I just want to make sure when I do pay for a membership that I know where my money will go, I know with membership comes privileges like voting and other perks I think for now I will keep my money and see where this goes, but before the next election I will pays my dues.  

[Philip Tait]

On Apr 13, 6:10 pm, matt willis <rvrefrigera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a few things that are obvious fixes, first thing is open the books

HACA's 2008 financial statements are here:
http://hawaiianacres.org/HACA_Financial_Statements_2008-12-31.pdf

Our new auditor will be starting on the 2010 records next week - I'll
be posting the 2010 statements as soon as they are ready.

I can't speak for HARC, but it didn't take much searching to find this
on their website: http://www.hawaiianacresroads.org/march-2011-budget/


Philip

[diana]

HACA pays for an audit every two years and we do not hide where the money is spent.
I am not a politician.  I am a community volunteer.
How many HACA meetings have you attended?  They are free and open.

diana

[Mark-Sterling Van Doren]

I find Hawaiian Acres pretty much the same as when I moved here 20 years ago.  I consider that an accomplishment, of which HACA has been a part.  If I wanted a "new & improved" subdivision I would not have moved here in the first place.

   Every time the issue of building a pavilion comes up over the last few members we are faced with the fact that a pavilion on open grounds would attract drinking and drug use at night and fencing the yard would both be very expensive and esthetically (spelling?) unpleasant. (It wouldn't look good).

      So we pass on the idea.         Beautiful day today, wasn't it?   --Mark

[Philip Tait]

On Apr 13, 6:24 pm, matt willis <rvrefrigera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW I am a non-member as Patrice loves to call the trouble makers

I did a quick search, and didn't find any statement like that from
Patrice. Which message was that in?

By the way, when I spoke to her at the HACA membership meeting last
Sunday, she seemed to be genuine in her desire to turn things around.
Perhaps people who are concerned about the proper running of HARC
should turn up at the next HARC meeting, listen to what she has to
say, and make up their own minds...

Philip

[matt willis]

Thanks Philip 

So why are people so mad if everything is out in the open?  Then the people who are screaming foul play so loudly will eventually have egg on their face, 

[matt willis]

True words Mark 

   The last thing anyone wants are derelicts and drugs in our community, 

  and I also agree the thing that I liked most about HA is not having a gun to my head on paying dues, at least if I don't like where the monies going I don't have to contribute, unlike the other areas where if you don't pay your yearly dues eventually they lien you property and take it from you, the best reason of all to stay out of planed communities.

  And it was a beautiful day.

[Philip Tait]

On Apr 13, 6:52 pm, matt willis <rvrefrigera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Philip
> So why are people so mad if everything is out in the open?  Then the people
> who are screaming foul play so loudly will eventually have egg on their
> face,

We have found that that there are a small number of people in HA that
cannot be convinced by mere facts. It seems they prefer a good juicy
conspiracy theory.

Believe me, the amount of money these organisations "rake in" wouldn't
be worth the jail-time, if one of us decided to succumb to
temptation. :-)

Furthermore, we have to file our 990 form every year. Having seen what
happened to Richard Hatch, I'm disinclined to take any chances with
the IRS.

You can review HACA's and HARC's 990 filings here:
http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/
(just enter "Hawaiian Acres" in "Organization Name")

[matt willis]

Topic 969  Phillip  Yahoo aka Patrice

[Philip Tait]

On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, matt willis <rvrefrigera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...at least if I don't like where the monies going I

> don't have to contribute, unlike the other areas where if you don't pay your
> yearly dues eventually they lien you property and take it from you, the best
> reason of all to stay out of planed communities.

Well said. An example of that is not far from here: http://tinyurl.com/43esdjy
(cached version, original seems to have been taken down).

Philip

[Jack Russell Brauher]

Matt,
    I'll be patching pavement na puka [holes] on road 1 at 9AM tommorrow [Thurs] morning. I have a red ranger w/rack.           Russ
 

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:24:35 -1000

Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:1049] Discussions about HACA

From: rvrefri...@gmail.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

[matt willis]

Good answer.

--

[matt willis]

   We all know people will take money even when it is small amounts, I know it does not make sense,to you and me, but it happens everyday.

--

[Steve B.]

Matt, in time you will notice it is the "same people" making the "same accusations" which results in the "same answers." However it is NOT the answer they want to hear, so they keep kicking the "same dead horse"  hoping they can deceive a new group of people into following their beliefs. These same individuals are the reason the office manager quits when their 1 yr contract expires. The office manager will state personal reasons for leaving because they don't want to make the statement they're tired of the bullshit created by the above mentioned individuals. Since I lived in HA we went through Christina, Brenda and Abby. Let's see if Ravini is still in the office next April! Steve Bagenstose --- On Wed, 4/13/11, matt willis <rvrefri...@gmail.com> wrote:

[matt willis]

Like I said before, some people will never let things go until they see what they believe are the facts.  I would like to see more money come in and be spent for things that benefit the community. I am making comments of things that happened in the past, when I do get involved in the future I will have the same drive to make sure everything goes for our community. I came from an area where I had to fight off narrow minded people, drug lords, growing pot on my property, crack heads and crack whores. I was shot in my house and still took my shot gun and got the perp to drop his gun and as I held my shot gun inches away from his head wanting to pull the trigger I waited for the authorities to hall the piece of shit off. 

  I moved here to get away from all of that. It's here but not a rocks through away from where I live, I do not want to live in a utopia, we have retirees, farmers, vegans, and only a small amount work ( I can tell that by the amount of cars that leave each morning).

   I like to think I'm a nice guy. Live and let live.  I don't shove my beliefs down people's throats, and if someone needs help and I can help I usually do, when they take advantage of that help I stop helping that person. I was raised with strong women in my life so I respect the opposite gender.

   I dislike flakes and people who talk out of both sides of their mouth, you can tell me anything you want and before I make a decision whether to believe you or not I will look at your track record and hold off on my decision until I see your actions.

    One last thing, ever since the day I was born the Hawaiian culture has been a part of my life. My mother's roommate was Samoan  born on Maui and I always considered her my second mother.  I lived with her my last two years of high school in Salt Lake City, Utah West High, our football team consisted mostly of Tongans and Samoans, scared the hell out of the rest of the State!

  I feel I am home now.

  Mahalo for listening

 Matt    

[Susan Tita]

in the last 15 years I have not seen the community center upgraded and by that i mean , i havent seen it painted or washed ont the outside of the building,not painted on the inside either. there was a lady that was paid to clean the inside once a week but she hasnt been there for about a year. like i said the catchment tank is leaking rusted, cover inside,  going on 2 years .(it is irrelavant that the county paid for it , that tank is the water supply for the fire department , and i remember the huge forest fire of 10 yrs ago ) the huge antenna on the top of the building needs cables relpaced that have rusted and broken ( if that falls it most likely will  put a hole in the roof.  the roof i havent seen that washed or cleaned .
at one time there was a guy living in the community center, that same guy had access to the office , and computers at will as he had the key . that same person had office access until recently .
the office manager , "secretary" is not on  a year contract . christina was never a employee paid by HARC . lorie paid her . Lorie was a secretary for about 9 years. Brenda left to go back to the mainland. Abby ??? well she is still there , same office.

 

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:00:21 -0700
From: knsn...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Hawaiian Acres:1070] Re: Discussions about HACA

[diana]

Susann,
The HACA roof was painted and spot-treated for rust in the last couple of years.  There was also some painting done to the "coqui shed" and the firehouse, I believe.
Most of the interior of the community center building is T&G wood. so we don't paint that.  There are some areas that are drywall in the bathrooms, so I suppose that areas could be painted, but I do not see a requirement.  The outside of the community center looks pretty good to me....but at the next meeting, if the board decides that it needs attention, then we could plan to take some action.  We recently had a volunteer cleaning day for the building interior and I'm guessing, if required, clean/and or painting the outside would probably be a volunteer effort.  I'll let you know if/when we decide to do that so you can assist with the efforts.

HACA does not own the water catchment beside the building.  Sheldon will contact the County if and when maintenance needs to be done.  It is my understanding that it is there primarily for the use of the fire department, but HACA because of our limited eater use is able to draw water from it as well.

I will mention the potential antenna problem at our next meeting.  Thanks for being it to our attention.

Do you know what "guy" was living in the office?  That is news to me.  Both HACA and HARC board members have had access to the office in the past....for HACA/HARC business only, of course.

Neither HACA nor HARC have "employees" to my knowledge.  Our office managers are independent contractors who are able to subcontract for help in the execution of their duties.  They arrange for the subcontractors and pay for them out of their own agreed upon hourly rate.

Thank you for your interest in our community. 

diana

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Tita
Sent: Apr 14, 2011 9:22 AM
To: hawaiianacres

[Steve B.]

Dianna, Both bathrooms where painted about 1 1/2 years ago by myself and two other volunteers. The wire security screen over the office window was removed, sanded and repainted by John Lehnert and myself, the firehouse was repainted during my volunteer days because Sheldon provided the paint and the coqui shed was repainted with the 1 gal leftover. I also primed and painted all the exterior hurricane brackets which were attached prior to April 2008 to keep the building "code compliant" with the county. Yes I did a lot of building maintenance "volunteer labor" and HACA provided the materials. I did NOT see any signs of termite damage to the firehouse or any building at HACA while volunteering there. That's just a small list of the work performed. I also attended 90% of the board meetings while volunteering to insure the board was updated on the status of the projects. My opinion of the HACA board is the same today as it was when I first met them. They did a great job then.  They're doing a great job today. They'll do a great job tomorrow! Aloha, Steve Bagenstose --- On Thu, 4/14/11, diana <dian...@earthlink.net> wrote:

[Steve B.]

Dianna, Both bathrooms where painted about 1 1/2 years ago by myself and two other volunteers. The wire security screen over the office window was removed, sanded and repainted by John Lehnert and myself, the firehouse was repainted during my volunteer days because Sheldon provided the paint and the coqui shed was repainted with the 1 gal leftover. I also primed and painted all the exterior hurricane brackets which were attached prior to April 2008 to keep the building "code compliant" with the county. Yes I did a lot of building maintenance "volunteer labor" and HACA provided the materials. I did NOT see any signs of termite damage to the firehouse or any building at HACA while volunteering there. That's just a small list of the work performed. I also attended 90% of the board meetings while volunteering to insure the board was updated on the status of the projects. My opinion of the HACA board is the same today as it was when I first met them. They did a great job then.  They're doing a great job today. They'll do a great job tomorrow! Aloha, Steve Bagenstose --- On Thu, 4/14/11, diana <dian...@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: diana <dian...@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1074] Re: Discussions about HACA To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 9:50 AM

[diana]

Steve,
Thanks for providing some more details on the work done.  (And of course, thanks for doing all that volunteer work.  I should have remembered the specifics myself.)
And thanks for your positive comments concerning HACA.

aloha,
diana

-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve B."
Sent: Apr 14, 2011 5:08 PM
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

[Susan Tita]

in the past i have been the person that was called to go out and put lime on the dead cows and pigs dumped on the road , along with getting the county to remove junk cars . so i have done and continue to do my share of volunteer work , i have also put up signs  and hauled out dumped rubbish. cut up and removed fallen trees on the road. i could add more but enough said.
i will not mention  the board members name living in the center on this blog , i would rather not embarrass him . i don't even want to go into what was going on with the office use.
it just unconscionable to let the water tank go , to replace it would thousands and it is essential for the fire department , i think we are the only sub-division that has a "let it go attitude".
correct on the helpers in the office paid by the secretary, but there are also other outside helpers coming in that are not paid and are from programs.  susann
 

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:50:44 -1000
From: dian...@earthlink.net
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1074] Re: Discussions about HACA

[Susan Tita]

 diana

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Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1074] Re: Discussions about HACA

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:51:35 -1000

[Susan Tita]

 diana, indulge me i did want to add: in the last few years myself and friend have trapped and removed over 300 wild pigs from the area also in the past 2 years i have trapped 174 feral cats had them spayed neutered and released. and helped out 4 residents to spay their dogs. lastly i am the person that folks call in the acres for injured animals mostly livestock that have been torn up by dogs . i fix the animals for people usually at my own expense and often taking them in until healed . i have been called at all hours of day and night for new born horses or sick ones . i have done more than my share for the community , but i usually wont talk about it , it is helping out neighbors. susann

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From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hawaiian Acres:1082] Re: Discussions about HACA
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:51:35 -1000

[Susan Tita]

 diana

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From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com

Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:1082] Re: Discussions about HACA
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:17:45 -1000

[Susan Tita]

 

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From: franci...@msn.com
To: hawaii...@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:1082] Re: Discussions about HACA

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:21:11 -1000

[Susan Tita]

 

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Subject: FW: [Hawaiian Acres:1082] Re: Discussions about HACA

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:21:11 -1000