Something is rotten in the hawaii hierarchy
albert the panther
Karen Lofstrom wrote:
:One: robomoderate all the hawaii groups so that no crossposting is
:allowed. This would be fairly easy to do, and knock out lots of junk.
The Maharaj is now re-posting crap to hawaii.nortle directly with
follow-ups set to tons of newsgroups and reply-to set to me.
But knocking out all crossposts would definitely be a step in
the right direction, I think.
Jerry DeGuzman
lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>One: robomoderate all the hawaii groups so that no crossposting is
>allowed. This would be fairly easy to do, and knock out lots of junk.
Sounds good. Go get'em, MJW!
>Two: moderate hawaii.announce and create a whole set of moderated ads
>groups....
>Hawaii.ads.jobs-offered could be created as an unmoderated group;
>there could also be a hawaii.moderated.ads.jobs-offered. Jerry gets
>his instant group and other folks get a higher signal group.
That's fine. We can use this as sort of a double-blind type of
comparison.
So basically, what you're proposing is to create a second, moderated
set of ad newsgroups for every unmoderated set. Then, configure all
hawaii.* newsgroups so that no crossposting is allowed. Is that
correct?
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>I haven't posted here in a while because I've been mulling over all
>the comments re moderation and robomoderation. I have a sweeping
>proposal.
>
>One: robomoderate all the hawaii groups so that no crossposting is
>allowed. This would be fairly easy to do, and knock out lots of junk.
As I've stated in email, this option would be an
acceptable method to cut down on some of the clutter in
groups like hawaii.politics. It wouldn't be content-
based and it would be impartial, applied to everyone
equally. You're talking about retromoderation, right?
I don't know the problems of all hawaii.* newgroups so
whether this proposal would have the same effect in
other hawaii.* groups, I couldn't say.
>Two: moderate hawaii.announce and create a whole set of moderated ads
>groups. The same group of moderators could do all of this; shouldn't
>be too hard, as one batch a day would be sufficient. The point of
>doing it all together would be that moderators could slot stuff into
>the right groups. If someone submits an ad to hawaii.announce, rather
>than dropping it, the moderator(s) could just put it in
>hawaii.moderated.ads.forsale.
>
>Hawaii.ads.jobs-offered could be created as an unmoderated group;
>there could also be a hawaii.moderated.ads.jobs-offered. Jerry gets
>his instant group and other folks get a higher signal group.
Moderated ad newsgroups? That should be fun for
moderators. As long as the rules are known and
applied the same, it sounds okay.
For jobs newsgroup, why the "jobs-offered"? Is
there going to be a "hawaii.ads.jobs-accepted"
companion newsgroup?
>It might also be a good idea to robomoderate hawaii.nortle more
>extensively, with extra criteria, but perhaps dropping all crossposts
>would be enough.
>
>Seems to me that the hawaii hierachy is in deep doodoo, and that we
>need a BIG solution, rather than fussing with a group here and a
>group there.
I don't have a major axe to grind so I don't view the
implementation of these proposals or options as a
godsend or as a matter of life-or-death. But the
proposals may 'lubricate' participation in hawaii.* by
raising comfort levels or the sense of security or
being 'in-control.'
>Comments?
>
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>Karen Lofstrom lofs...@lava.net
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> Bool bool bool! It makes me laugh just to "trink" about it.
>
> -- Eric Scheirer
Kristine Bucar
My gut reaction is to be against robomoderating or human moderating the
hawaii.*. Why? It reminds me of our goverments, and all the arguements for
and against government.
On the other hand, I don't have a better solution, and I'm not sure exactly
what is involved in either moderation scheme.
For example, couldn't a dictatorship function just as effectively, if not
better, than a corrupt "democracy"? Doesn't it really depend what kind of
people are in the key positions?
In article <5520ka$m...@mochi.lava.net>, Karen Lofstrom posted...
>
>I haven't posted here in a while because I've been mulling over all
>the comments re moderation and robomoderation. I have a sweeping
>proposal.
>
>One: robomoderate all the hawaii groups so that no crossposting is
>allowed. This would be fairly easy to do, and knock out lots of junk.
>
>Two: moderate hawaii.announce and create a whole set of moderated ads
>groups. The same group of moderators could do all of this; shouldn't
>be too hard, as one batch a day would be sufficient. The point of
>doing it all together would be that moderators could slot stuff into
>the right groups. If someone submits an ad to hawaii.announce, rather
>than dropping it, the moderator(s) could just put it in
>hawaii.moderated.ads.forsale.
>
>Hawaii.ads.jobs-offered could be created as an unmoderated group;
>there could also be a hawaii.moderated.ads.jobs-offered. Jerry gets
>his instant group and other folks get a higher signal group.
>
>It might also be a good idea to robomoderate hawaii.nortle more
>extensively, with extra criteria, but perhaps dropping all crossposts
>would be enough.
>
>Seems to me that the hawaii hierachy is in deep doodoo, and that we
>need a BIG solution, rather than fussing with a group here and a
>group there.
>
>Comments?
>
>--
>Karen Lofstrom lofs...@lava.net
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bool bool bool! It makes me laugh just to "trink" about it.
>
> -- Eric Scheirer
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Editor and roving reporter, Hawaii's Web & Internet News
kbu...@lava.net - www.lava.net/~kbucar/
Michael J. Wise
Kristine Bucar wrote:
> My gut reaction is to be against robomoderating or human moderating
> the hawaii.*. Why? It reminds me of our goverments, and all the
> arguements for and against government.
Actually, it should remind you of a newsPaper with an Editor...
(8-)
> On the other hand, I don't have a better solution, and I'm not
> sure exactly what is involved in either moderation scheme.
What is involved is some programming (almost complete) and a willing
person to be the "Editor", who decides what is ok to print, what is
definately not ok, and what should be sent back for a re-write.
I think that dat *BAAAAD* pue`o would work well as the "Editor" of
Hawaii.Nortle, but I don't know who would be best to control the
Hawaii.Jobs group. Methinks Mr. Flowers would not be a good choice.
Especially since he has taken to ... cross-posting.
Then there is the "Hawaii.Music" group I sometimes dream about.
Maybe we can get IZ to handle that one? (just kidding...)
> For example, couldn't a dictatorship function just as effectively,
> if not better, than a corrupt "democracy"? Doesn't it really depend
> what kind of people are in the key positions?
The only problem is, given time, you get a corrupt dictatorship,
which is far worse than democracy at its worst, so... Best to have
some forms of accountability, so that you can get rid of a luser
without having a bloody revolution.
That was what democracy was originally for, you see. When a leader
got really bad, he could be forced to retire, from whence he could
grow old and speculate about the possibility of getting back in power
again.
Instead of just being killed outright.
Aloha mai Michael!
Jerry DeGuzman
lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>I haven't posted here in a while because I've been mulling over all
>the comments re moderation and robomoderation. I have a sweeping
>proposal.
> [snip]
>Comments?
By the way, in addition to my previous comments, I'd also like to
propose (again) that the robomoderator (not to be confused with
cancelbot as I previously did, which some kook decided to pick up on
and use in its propaganda campaign) add a tag-line to every message
that it accepts.
This tagline would, in three lines or less, inform readers of the
posting requirements of the group that is being robomoderated.
That way, nobody can claim "ignorance" in posting something
misappropriate.
I would like to see this tagline-insertion technique (acronym....uh,
never mind) whether or not the newsgroup is also moderated by human
moderator(s).