America: Every time she wins, she loses. Iran looks East to China. How long can the dollar be the dominant global reserve currency?

[Jim Doran]

GOH,

The chant of a Black Mass, American style:  Sanctions, sanctions, sanctions, Lord god of vengeful armies, the skies are filled with your boasting ---- and missiles.  . .

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/9/2/a-new-nuclear-deal-wont-bring-iran-and-the-us-closer

In a just world would every American President after World War 2 would be indictable for war crimes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXtgq0Nhsc

Disclaimer. 

My Uncle John was pictured on the cover of Look Magazine giving candy to Italian kids in liberated Anzio. There were some good-hearted, generous American young men!  Possibly even some after the 'Greatest' Generation. 

Nevertheless, I suggest that we look at the full three hundred and sixty degrees. 

What are we, on balance?

Best,

Jim 

[haustusstevemcclure]

So you never think sanctions are ever a reasonable third option in addition to (1) going to war or (2) doing nothing but carry on with business as usual in the face of reprehensible conduct?

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[Jim Doran]

The alternative to sanctions is respectful reasonable negotiation.  

How do we improve human rights in Afghanistan by starving innocents to death?

 Blocking their access to their money?

 Fortunately, China, Russia, India, Brazil are ready to take up the slack at least in some instances.

Best,

Jim

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 11:45 PM, haustusstevemcclure

<haustusst...@cox.net> wrote:

So you never think sanctions are ever a reasonable third option in addition to (1) going to war or (2) doing nothing but carry on with business as usual in the face of reprehensible conduct?

Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device

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[haustusstevemcclure]

You think Putin would negotiate a cessation of his war on Ukraine?

Whst universe do you live in?  The one that negotiated either Hitler in Munich in 1938?

[Jim Doran]

Check  your NAZI rhetoric at the door and consider the perspectives of those whose only stake is their reputation.

Some see that Putin's aim in Ukraine is actually to compel sleepy creepy and the NATO crowd to first, keep their word and ours and then negotiate.

You and I may be on different planets but are you sure yours is the real one?

Best,

Jim 

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You think Putin would negotiate a cessation of his war on Ukraine?

Whst universe do you live in?  The one that negotiated either Hitler in Munich in 1938?

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From: 'Jim Doran' via Haustus <hau...@accoladegroup.com>

Date: 9/4/22 1:10 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: hau...@accoladegroup.com, haustusstevemcclure <haustusst...@cox.net>, hau...@googlegroups.com

[haustusstevemcclure]

OK, let's describe the world you are talking about.

Here is what you seem to be saying:

(1)  --  We have already, prior to his hoingbto war, assured Putin that none of the NATO  countries, including the U.S., will use military force against Russia if Russia goes to war on Ukraine.

 (2)  --  You wavt all military aid to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to fight to cease immediately.

 (3)  --  Presumably, since you despise sanctions, all sanctions against Russia must immediately be removed.  Including on Russia's pipeline.

(4)  --  We have akready told Putin that Ukraine will not be let into NATO [or into the EU too?], but you want us to repeat that.

And then, having done these four things, ask Putin to negotiate something.

Ok. Think about exactly what incentive there would be for Putin to stop his war [or not to go to war in the first place] and negotiate.  What is there left to negotiate about?

And you have said Purin is a thug.  Since when does asking thugs nicely not to do thuggish things ever stop them?

[Remember, threatening sanctions and military aid to Ukraine did not stop Putin from going to war.  So just why would stopping sanctions and military aid stop him from going to war?]

Seriously,  these four statements are an open invitation to Putin to "go ahead and make war on Ukraine -- we won't do a thing if you do [except ask you to stop and talk to us]."

I ask again, what is there to negotiate about?

Kicking Hungary and Poland out of NATO????!!!!

[haustusstevemcclure]

Made some corrections below. 

By the way, my reference to Munich was nit just Nazi rhetoric.

I am a student of history.

I see amazing, and hopefully amazingly challenging, parallels between what you want and what Chamberlain did at Munich.  You don't like my comparing the two, but I stand by that comparison.

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OK, let's describe the world you are talking about.

Here is what you seem to be saying:

(1)  --  We have already, prior to his going to war, assured Putin that none of the NATO  countries, including the U.S., will use military force against Russia if Russia goes to war on Ukraine.

 (2)  --  You want all military aid to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to fight to cease immediately.

 (3)  --  Presumably, since you despise sanctions, all sanctions against Russia must immediately be removed.  Including on Russia's pipeline.

(4)  --  We have already told Putin that Ukraine will not be let into NATO [or into the EU too?], but you evidently want us to repeat that as a premise for negotiations.

And then, having done these four things, we are to ask Putin to negotiate something.

Ok. Think about exactly what incentive there would be for Putin to stop his war [or not to go to war in the first place] and negotiate.  What is there left to negotiate about?

And you have said Purin is a thug.  Since when does asking thugs nicely not to do thuggish things ever stop them?

[Remember, threatening sanctions and military aid to Ukraine did not stop Putin from going to war.  So just why would stopping sanctions and military aid stop him from continung his war?]

[Jim Doran]

 Did you listen to the Jeffrey Sachs video?

 You are making assumptions about Russia that none of the disinterested parties agree with.

 We are a de facto attacking Russia with weapons of a grade that Putin has already warned us not to provide to Ukraine

Jim

On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 8:01 PM, haustusstevemcclure

<haustusst...@cox.net> wrote:

OK, let's describe the world you are talking about.

Here is what you seem to be saying:

(1)  --  We have already, prior to his hoingbto war, assured Putin that none of the NATO  countries, including the U.S., will use military force against Russia if Russia goes to war on Ukraine.

 (2)  --  You wavt all military aid to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to fight to cease immediately.

 (3)  --  Presumably, since you despise sanctions, all sanctions against Russia must immediately be removed.  Including on Russia's pipeline.

(4)  --  We have akready told Putin that Ukraine will not be let into NATO [or into the EU too?], but you want us to repeat that.

And then, having done these four things, ask Putin to negotiate something.

Ok. Think about exactly what incentive there would be for Putin to stop his war [or not to go to war in the first place] and negotiate.  What is there left to negotiate about?

And you have said Purin is a thug.  Since when does asking thugs nicely not to do thuggish things ever stop them?

[Remember, threatening sanctions and military aid to Ukraine did not stop Putin from going to war.  So just why would stopping sanctions and military aid stop him from going to war?]

Seriously,  these four statements are an open invitation to Putin to "go ahead and make war on Ukraine -- we won't do a thing if you do [except ask you to stop and talk to us]."

I ask again, what is there to negotiate about?

Kicking Hungary and Poland out of NATO????!!!!

Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device

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Date: 9/4/22 11:19 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: haustusst...@cox.net, hau...@accoladegroup.com, hau...@googlegroups.com

[Jim Doran]

GOH,

Amplification and clarification of what I wrote using my phone last night. 

The HIMARS launchers are currently supplied with missiles that have a 50 kilometer range. They are also able to launch missiles with a range of 189 kilometers. If the longer range missiles appear in the conflict, Russia will defend itself with nuclear weapons. 

“We have repeatedly warned the U.S. about the consequences that may follow if the U.S. continues to flood Ukraine with weapons," Ryabkov said. “It effectively puts itself in a state close to what can be described as a party to the conflict.”

Speaking on state television, Ryabkov warned that ”a very narrow margin that separates the U.S. from becoming a party to the conflict mustn't create an illusion for rabid anti-Russian forces that everything will remain as it is if they cross it.”

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-us-off-sending-145319107.html