Anybody knows what the Pakistani law says about harassment? The law in
my opinion shouldn't require hard evidence to convict one. If there
are more then 1 person complaining then there must be something serious.
Any experts on law??
If immediate authorities are not taking actions, has anybody tried to
complain to VC office. I hope there must be someone who will take action.
May Allah help our Muslim brothers/sisters who are in distress. I am
really sad to hear this.
Best regards,
Imran
--- In
ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com, ahmed bilal <bilalahmed589@ ...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Saad.
> As far as proves concerned there should be Concises among all
sisters whether studying currently or has passed out . They all should
come up in front of any official committee(in case, if created by VC )
because an individual can't bare this as in our society.
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Saad Siddiqui <saad_siddiqui87@ ...>
> To:
ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Thursday, 13 November, 2008 12:07:30
> Subject: RE: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in distress
>
>
> I mailed before on this topic, i suggested Aqil Burney,Student
Advisers and some proper channels, but passed out seniors says that
nothing of this is fruitful , one bro suggested NGO , plz never ever
try to go to NGO , i say again never ever, most of NGOs in our country
are corrupt,so never ever try to go to NGO,now i think it is good time
for student organizations to work they should be hard at him and
should stop him, if still any thing doesnt happens then we must go for
an extreme action , if student organizations are not willing to take
any action then decide a date and we will take out a protest against
the teacher and we will take media with in it.The issue has gone
beyond its limits, plz dont just talk , let us decide a proper day and
time and start a protest against him , we can display placards ,
banner against him in the whole department, i request u student of
make placards posters banners to be displayed at the dept.
>
> Saad
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> From: furqanshaikh. eing@yahoo. com
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:47:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in distress
>
>
> salam
> You people submit application to aqil burney if HS take any action
which against student.So we ready to start their action .ok
>
> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Sadaf Khan <crsadaf@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Sadaf Khan <crsadaf@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in distress
> To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:10 AM
>
>
>
>
> > From: Sadaf Khan <crsadaf@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in distress
> > To: crsadaf@yahoo. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:07 PM
> > AoA All,
> > i am totally agree with u,ager Aqil burney ko kuch kerna
> > hota to buhat pehle ker chukay hotay. Now we are passed out
> > from DCS, ager DCS k current students ne action lia HS k
> > against to wo hosakta he poori class ko fail kerden, aisa
> > pehle bhi buhat dafa hochuka he ager kisi teacher k against
> > students action lete hen to teacher whole class ko fail ker
> > deta he....hum seniors ko hi action lena paray ga....
> > aaj kal technology buhat agay nikal gai he proof gather
> > kerna ya proof khud se create kerna koi bari baat nahi......
> > ager dair he to sirf agay berh ker aik doosray k sath
> > co-operate kerne ki......
> > abhi DCS me xamz horahe he abhi koi action lena bekaar
> > he...
> > is k baad jo bhi hum keh rahay hen us per amal kerna
> > hoga......1 email nikaal dena buhat asaan hota he main cheez
> > amal kerna.. wo inshALLAH hum kare ge.
> >
> > Best Regards.
> >
> > On Wed, 11/12/08, Asad Ul-Islam
> > <mrgenius420@
yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Asad Ul-Islam <mrgenius420@
yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in
> > distress
> > > To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:26 AM
> > > Well All the points Saeed bhai raised are valid.. only
> > if
> > > there is Some LAW and someone to enforce that LAW and
> > we
> > > know the current state of our country's law n
> > order.
> > >
> > > And well seriously i htink its been 3-4 years since i
> > am
> > > hearing this thing.. so this is definitly not some
> > > conspiracy against Hussain Saleem.. This Guy is
> > definitly
> > > involved in these vicious acts. So no need to go for
> > the
> > > Proof.. If some guys go to him and beat the shit out
> > of him
> > > than this will automatically come on media and i
> > believe
> > > media is just enough to take point of views from both
> > side
> > >
> > > and lastly i've seen many ppl refering to Aqil
> > Burney.
> > > As faar as i remember He appointed Hussain Saleem as
> > his
> > > assistant in SE course (during my batch). So if AB had
> > to do
> > > something against him he would have already done
> > it.....So
> > > Don't expect Aqil Burney to do some miracle.
> > >
> > > Lastly i wish to see student organizat ions to play
> > some
> > > constructive role , its much needed now.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Asad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: Saeed Mazhar <saeedmazhar@
gmail.com>
> > > To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> > > Cc: theimad@gmail. com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03:15 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in
> > distress
> > >
> > >
> > > All very haphazard & ambitious! Cool down, and
> > think
> > > through.
> > >
> > > What evidence do we have for raising the issue with
> > the
> > > higher authorities?
> > > All noise and no result will make the life difficult
> > for
> > > each and every one of the students who participate.
> > >
> > > Either you attack and win, or make a better plan to
> > win.
> > > Losing the case is not an option.
> > >
> > > I think the plan should be:
> > >
> > > 1) Get as many students as possible to sign
> > up
> > > and confirm that HS is doing this. Without proof or
> > > witnesses, whole thing is just going to end up into a
> > > useless effort. Do not complain without evidence.
> > It’ll be
> > > wasted effort. If we go for something, we must achieve
> > it.
> > > No 50-50 chances, as it’ll be a big issue. Be fully
> > > prepared. Have a list of signatures by everyone past
> > and
> > > present who are witnesses to such activities. This
> > list can
> > > help, and everyone can participate by referring to
> > other
> > > people who know the same story.
> > > 2) Based on this documentary
> > evidence/witnesses,
> > > take the case up to higher authorities : Khalid Jamal,
> > > Muhammad Saeed, Mr. Badar Sami, and Asim Ali will be
> > in a
> > > better position to tell if the case should be taken to
> > Mr.
> > > Aqil Burney, or directly to VC. I think take it to Mr.
> > AB
> > > first, and demand that the teacher be expelled. If
> > action is
> > > not taken by the deptt, contact VC based on same
> > evidence.
> > > 3) If VC does nothing, then media can help.
> > > Although, that should really be the last way out, and
> > I
> > > wouldn’t really advocate it.
> > >
> > > If you have any more ideas, please share and bring up
> > > concrete constructive plan of action.
> > > All talk and no “next steps” is useless I believe.
> > >
> > > If you need teachers’ support, they are
> > class-fellows of
> > > most of the senior students who are in the list
> > including
> > > myself.
> > > However, I’m emphasizing again that we should’ve
> > > something CONCRETE in hand to raise the issue.
> > >
> > > Someone from DCS should take the lead (preferably some
> > bold
> > > sister; if not, a guy would do too), and work on the
> > above
> > > plan of action.
> > > Or if better suggestions come up, then accordingly.
> > >
> > > If Mariam DCS student has gone through this, she
> > should
> > > identify who in the university can take this lead, or
> > maybe
> > > one of you present students can suggest a name. Even
> > > convince someone to take up the lead!
> > > And then, my second question would be, can Mariam DCS
> > tell
> > > me how many signatures can one expect if the issue is
> > taken
> > > up to the higher authorities? Being a girl, she can
> > tell how
> > > many girls face the same issue. 20% is in the air.
> > Give me
> > > counts.
> > >
> > > Lets brainstorm, and improve the plan if anyone has
> > better
> > > suggestions.
> > > In brief:
> > >
> > > 1. Need a leader (or might also be a team
> > of
> > > people) to lead the way
> > > 2. Gather signatures as many as possible;
> > once
> > > this is done, the rest will naturally fall through
> > > 3. Contact AB, then VC; have the criminal
> > > expelled
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Saeed Mazhar.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:ku-dcs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:
ku-dcs@> > yahoogroups.
> > > com] On Behalf Of Usman Mudasser
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:13 PM
> > > To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in
> > distress
> > >
> > > Arshad,
> > >
> > > I would like to inquire what kind of evidence would
> > you
> > > like to have ???????
> > > Evidence can be the females who are affected show up
> > > herself. Do you think this will be suitable or
> > fruitful in
> > > such a society that we have. It is also not possible
> > to tape
> > > or record such activity (which we call hard form
> > evidence).
> > > Can you or anyone else suggest any evidence have in
> > mind or
> > > any idea of getting evidence?
> > >
> > > Evidence:
> > > I Muhammad Usman passed out from Department of
> > Computer
> > > Science in 2005 agrees with the fact that is mentioned
> > in
> > > the grieved sister' s email!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Usman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > >
> > > From:Arshad Mohiuddin <asd@... pk>
> > > To: ku-dcs@yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:20:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ku-dcs] Message from a sister in
> > distress
> > > Dear Sister,
> > >
> > > I dont know how I am getting KUDCS e-mail I am not the
> > part
> > > of DCS.
> > > Well I am someone in position to take action but Need
> > > evidence,I would like other students in
> > > this mailing list to investigate and send me thier
> > > findings, I would appreciate if some teacher of
> > > DCS endorse the finding, (I dont need name of the
> > students
> > > and teacher) we shall do our own
> > > investigations.
> > >
> > >
> > > regd
> > >
> > > Arshad
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:Mariam Dcs Student
> > > To:ku-dcs@yahoogrou ps. com
> > > Sent:Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:10 PM
> > > Subject:[ku- dcs] Message from a sister in distress
> > >
> > > Dear Brothers and Sisters,
> > > Assalamoalikum
> > >
> > > First of all I would like to apologize to all my
> > brothers
> > > and sisters for not using my real email address and
> > name but
> > > I hope you will understand the reason for it. I want
> > to
> > > share what dilemma I and other sisters like me are
> > going
> > > thru at the moment in KU-DCS and I plea to all of you
> > ,
> > > especially the seniors to guide us in these difficult
> > times
> > > at KU-DCS.
> > >
> > > I belong to a middle class family and believe me it
> > took me
> > > a lot of crying and arguing with my parents to
> > convince them
> > > to let me study at the prestigious DCS. You cant
> > imagine how
> > > happy I was when I got admission at DCS. It was like
> > all my
> > > prayers were answered on that day when my name
> > appeared in
> > > the list of successful candidates. But little did I
> > know
> > > that there were people like Sir H.S (I am not writing
> > his
> > > full name , just the initials) in the faculty whose
> > sole
> > > purpose is to harass innocent girls in the name of
> > marks.
> > > Needless to say, I have been a victim of Sir H.S once
> > like
> > > many other sisters but none of us have the courage to
> > come
> > > forward and talk openly. I am afraid, if I talk to my
> > > parents about this, I will never be able to come to
> > the
> > > university again.... We have approached some faculty
> > members
> > > but all of them have turned a blind eye towards us. we
> > dont
> > > know wot to do. We are just helpless. As a last
> > resort, I am
> > > writing to this mailing list hoping that someone in a
> > strong
> > > position might be able to help me and others like me.
> > >
> > > I just want to ask all brothers that why is this
> > happeneing
> > > to us?? Why everyday do we have to go thru this mental
> > > torture ?? IS it because we are girls and we want to
> > study
> > > for a bright future?? Why isnt anybody taking action
> > against
> > > such horrible people ?? Are we as a nation really been
> > > reduced to eve-teasers and sister-sellers ?? What is
> > our
> > > crime ????
> > >
> > > Please brothers, I beg all of you to help us.... You all
> > must
> > > have sisters. How would you feel if a male teacher
> > tries to
> > > touch your sister's shoulders and back on purpose
> > and
> > > make it a habit and on resisting threatens them of
> > failing
> > > in the exam? How would you feel if a male teacher
> > > purposefully makes your sisters wait till late in the
> > > evening for the viva, calls them alone in his room and
> > asks
> > > obscene questions from them?
> > >
> > > Brothers, I know I dont have proof of what I am
> > saying. I
> > > dont have any recordings or videos but if you want
> > proof,
> > > just visit DCS talk to a bunch of girls and I
> > guarantee you
> > > that you will get proof. I am sure that more than
> > 20%
> > > girls have been victims of Sir H.S or know someone who
> > has
> > > gone through this ordeal.
> > >
> > > Again I want to assure that my purpose here is not to
> > > degrade or blame someone but to ask for the help and
> > > guidance from my seniors and also at the same time to
> > make
> > > sisters aware who havent yet fallen a victim.
> > >
> > > Moderators, I beg of you , please dont block this
> > email. By
> > > doing so, you will be denying all sisters a warning
> > who
> > > might fall prey to Sir H.S. Again I assure you that
> > wot I
> > > speak is the truth and I strongly believe that the
> > truth can
> > > never be hidden. I have a lot of faith in the
> > moderators of
> > > this group as you are my last hope.
> > >
> > > Waiting for help ...
> > > A sister in distress
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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