Re: Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery

[Ling Yang]

深圳那边的公司接到了清华的电话关于这个问题。。。。。

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

http://www.ogc.harvard.edu/

右边recent developments: Fraud Alert: Watch out for unaffiliated for-profit companies that promote false associations with  Harvard

我的access被denied了，估计和我们有关，lorin能不能去下载下来分享过来

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Harvard College
617-949-9271
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在 2012-6-13，上午2:41， Scarlett Yin 写道：

1）一个人cover所有topic就像串通好一样，snow到时候讲解下招高中生和网站建设里面用的harvard
2）需要做份高中生的明晰开支，为何收3万
3）需要赶紧联系“北大清华复旦交大MIT社科院”，我们说合作是和people合作也要找到人啊。lorin, lydia，交给你们幕后出力？最好七月一号搞定。我估计他会问我要材料。主要是MIT，subject title写的就是"Harvard and MIT, dinc case"
4）如问起我们列的publication，除了暴露lorin还有何办法？
5）lorin, lydia...你两之前的警告student record留记录么
6）他求什么？是纪律问题还是法律问题？如法律，告我们侵权？但是我们非盈利也愿意撤掉活动和澄清，他求什么呢？如纪律，Adborad求什么呢？我们违反哪条校规了（谁去查一查⋯⋯），现有情节不构成不诚信啊


还有，保持畅通开手机啊snow & max

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery
To: "Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Friedrich, David" <david_f...@harvard.edu>, Administrative Board <adb...@fas.harvard.edu>, "Diaz, Eva" <eva_...@harvard.edu>


Dear Robin (and other honorable officers),

Thank you very much for your email and I am so sorry that this has
caused you such great trouble. I would like to answer your points of
questions in the following words. Because I am taking a gap year to
travel next year, I would unfortunately not be returning to campus
this fall; hence, I hope email conversation can help you and other
administrative officers to understand the situation better.

First, my role in the program:

I am both a participant and a staff. As a staff, my job is to
coordinate with my other colleagues to promote the program on campus
through email lists, recruit research leaders and take care of their
housekeeping issues (visas, air tickets, etc). Website materials and
domestic-China recruitment are not my duty.

Second, my role in promoting the program:

My responsibility is to recruit the college students. I designed the
pubbing email, and I interviewed some of the original applicants to
make decisions. During the on campus promotion, I did not intend to
use harvard name to gain any publicity because using Harvard name
intentionally serves us no purpose. DINC is a non-profit student
initiative. Recruiting more Harvard participants brings us no benefit.
Moreover, DINC covers Harvard participants' costs in China so we
cannot afford to recruit excessive Harvard students. Harvard
participants are NOT charged at all and their airfare is heavily
subsidized by our program. In fact, I myself paid for their visa fee,
almost $700. Please do believe in me that DINC really wants to make
this a culturally enriching experience for Harvard students so we aim
to provide the greatest aid to the limited chosen ones.

On the other hand, we mentioned that our program is not Harvard
affiliated. I told the potential candidates about our current status
during interviews and that we want to register as an approved student
organization NEXT semester (fall 2012). I need to apologize for not
emphasizing strongly on this point, but I did attempt to bring out the
message.

Third, our authority of using "Harvard":

Despite that we are not intentioned, we did use "Harvard" and we need
to explain and apologize for that rash action.

Since the program is organized by Chinese Harvard students, we
misadopted the thinking we had in China. The program is initiated by
Harvard students and serves Harvard students, so it is
Harvard-related. Also, looking at other similar Chinese programs on
Harvard campus such as HPAIR, HCHANCE, HSYLC, etc. we had an incorrect
implication that this appellation should be fine. However, based on
the situation we have now, we have come to understand that we probably
have caused much confusion to others thinking that this is an HARVARD
UNIVERSITY PROGRAM instead of a Harvard student-organized program. We
sincerely apologizes for this matter and I'm more than willing to
clarify it.

I understand the seriousness of this issue. Since your last email, I
have discussed with my colleagues and we have now cancelled the June
itinerary just in case of any further matter, but meanwhile we did our
best to serve our Harvard participants, making sure that they are
worthing their stay while in China. Currently, Yoon Mun '12, a recent
graduate from the college, is in Beijing and will soon be touring
Yunnan. All her costs in China will be covered by DINC, and she is
under travel insurance.

We have another program in July that now we have paused. I and my
colleagues certainly do not want to complicate the situation even
more. If you would like us to stop the program and make open
clarification statement, we would follow your instruction immediately.
However, please accept our sincere apology for making this a
complicated matter and I hope that you believe, both in your intuition
and in your investigation of our program that that we really created
this program out of academic, research, bridging and serving
intentions.

Personally, I've really learnt the lesson in a hard way. All those
dedication, time, money and the excitement of being part of something
meaningful are gone. If I were to participate in any other student
initiatives in the future, I will be well-alerted.

I'm happy to answer any further questions and assist investigation.
Thank you very much. Have a good summer!


Yours sincerely,
Scarlett Yin



On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Mount, Robin <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> Dear Scarlett,
>
>
>
> When you return to campus you will need to meet with David Friedrich to go
> over your role in promoting this activity to Harvard students as a "Harvard
> Program" and to discuss your authority to use the Harvard name for promoting
> this activity to Harvard students and to high school participants.  In
> addition, you may also need to meet with the Administrative Board to explain
> your role in this program.  The Office of the General Council and the
> Harvard Trademark Office are investigating the claims of the program that it
> is affiliated with Harvard University and other US and Chinese universities
> mentioned on the DINC website.  The quotes from the website and Google
> searches, pasted below, clearly show the use of the Harvard name to promote
> this activity to participants.
>
>
>
> Robin Mount
>
>
>
>
>
> Robin Mount, EdD
>
> Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities
>
> Office of Career Services
>
> Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>
> Harvard University
>
> 54 Dunster Street
>
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> 617-496-8957
>
> rmo...@fas.harvard.edu
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>
>
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>
>
>  "DINC stands for "Discovery in Nature and Culture". It is a student
> academic research program initiated by Harvard undergraduate students. Team
> members all have intensive research experience in respective areas of
> interest. Committed to fostering independent yet interactive learning among
> high school students around the world, DINC has carried out researches on
> interdisciplinary humanities, environment, biology, history and other
> disciplines from the natural and social sciences. With generous academic
> support from Harvard and MIT, DINC has published articles in the Scientific
> Journal International, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Journal (EMEJ),
> China Architectural Review and other prestigious academic publications"
>
>
>
> "With consistent academic guidance from Harvard University and Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery will be located in
> Sanjiang Yuan and the Lugu Lake area. In addition to the knowledgeable team
> leaders from Harvard, the program recruits 50 outstanding high school
> students as research assistants from around the world. .
>
> More
>
> [PDF]
>
> 2012 Harvard DINC Discovery rvard DINC Discovery in Nature and ...
>
> www.ez-learning.cn/DINC_application.pdf
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
> 2012 Harvard DINC Discovery. 学术支持单位： ... rvard DINC Discovery in Nature and
> Culture Application. 企业合作 ... It can be in either Chinese or English. (500
> ...
>
> 2.     -DINC
>
> en.harvarddinc.com.id359.alias.yunhosting.com/ - Translate this page
>
>
>
>
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> From: Scarlett Yin [mailto:yura...@college.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Mount, Robin
> Subject: Re: Please Contact Me
>
>
>
> Of course not, it's a student activity. Why?
>
> - Scarlett
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 在 Jun 11, 2012，11:33 AM，"Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> 写道：
>
> Dear Scarlett,
>
>
>
> Are you getting paid for this work?
>
>
>
> Robin Mount
>
>
>
> From: Scarlett Yin [mailto:yura...@college.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:32 AM
> To: Mount, Robin
> Subject: Re: Please Contact Me
>
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
>
>
> Sorry for the delay; I can't believe the hostel doesn't offer Internet
> access.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your consideration and your concern, I feel really
> connected to the Harvard community in your email outreach. Regarding the
> program, I am both a participant and a staff; the program aims to bring
> Harvard College students to China to explore Tibet and Qinghai area and
> connect them with local high school students. We do researches in
> environment and culture and receive academic guidance from Chinese
> universities. The program, however, never intended to borrow the Harvard
> brand for commercial use. The only reason you see "Harvard" included is
> because all US correspondents, participants and staff are Harvard
> students. Harvard faculty are involved only when these participants go to
> their acquainted professors for research guidance on a personal basis. We
> are aware of this potential connection but we never directly partnered with
> any Harvard faculty. I sincerely apologize for such confusion, and please be
> assured that this program is a legit and well planned one.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your understanding and confidence and sorry again for your
> troubling.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Scarlett
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive typos.
>
>
> 在 Jun 8, 2012，4:49 PM，"Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> 写道：
>
> Absolutely
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:31 PM, "Scarlett Yin" <yura...@college.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Sure! But I'm about to board my flight to New York now; would it be fine to
> let you know by tonight when I arrive in the city? Thanks!
>
> - Scarlett
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 在 Jun 8, 2012，3:53 PM，"Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> 写道：
>
> Dear Scarlett,
>
>
>
> The DINC Discovery In Nature and Culture Program has come to our attention
> and according to the website this appears to be a Harvard program with
> Harvard faculty participating.  We have not been able to verify that this is
> a Harvard program and I wondered if you could tell us some more about this
> program.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Robin Mount
>
>
>
>
>
> Robin Mount, EdD
>
> Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities
>
> Office of Career Services
>
> Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>
> Harvard University
>
> 54 Dunster Street
>
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> 617-496-8957
>
> rmo...@fas.harvard.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Scarlett Yin [mailto:yura...@college.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 3:23 PM
> To: Mount, Robin
> Subject: Re: Please Contact Me
>
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
>
>
> I'd love to talk through email. What's up?
>
>
>
> - Scarlett
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 在 Jun 8, 2012，3:16 PM，"Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> 写道：
>
> Dear Scarlett,
>
>
>
> I would like to talk with you about your summer plans please contact as soon
> as you can by email.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Robin Mount
>
> Email - rmo...@fas.harvard.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> Robin Mount, EdD
>
> Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities
>
> Office of Career Services
>
> Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>
> Harvard University
>
> 54 Dunster Street
>
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> 617-496-8957
>
> rmo...@fas.harvard.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Robin Mount, EdD
>
> Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities
>
> Office of Career Services
>
> Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>
> Harvard University
>
> 54 Dunster Street
>
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> 617-496-8957
>
> rmo...@fas.harvard.edu
>
>



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[Ling Yang]

貌似一个关键是我们使用了logo   所以 现在咱们需要立刻把网址扯下来

[Ling Yang]

亲  这个就把事情弄复杂了

lorin的那个是可以的  先避重就轻

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

暴露大叔好么？？姐姐这样越问越复杂阿。你就说dinc给你这些东西就好了。。别急别急

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

Max Yang is working on domestic outreach and preparation. He will provide you a complete list of our partners and sponsors. We take care of the participants by equipping rqch program medical team, medicines,  tour guides, insurance, safety gear, local accommodation, expedition equipments renting, drinking water and food, etc. We also arranged physical training and outdoor coachig at the beginning of each route when all participants are in Beijing. On a separate note, the environment is not unbearable or determetal in Sanjiangyuan, but could be a challenge for  . It is similar to the condition that North American students would normally encounter during an Eco-Challege. Also, not that challenging since they are well protected and living in nice conditions.

-Show them why they are paying this fee---renting the SUV, hotel, Medical Team, Tour Guide, Insurance, equipments, etc

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

在 Jun 13, 2012，8:12 AM，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

-We hired a website making company for the website. 

-We will remove the photos---did not know a single photo of Memorial Hall is not allowed, when so many consulting firms and other programs used Harvard crest logos and other photos

-Medical Team, Tour Guide, Insurance, Safety Gear, Hotels, Expedition Equipments Renting, etc for the harsh condition. By harsh, it is not unbearable. It is just like the condition that North American students would normally encounter during an Eco-Challege. Also, not that challenging since they are well protected and living in nice conditions.
-Show them why they are paying this fee---renting the SUV, hotel, Medical Team, Tour Guide, Insurance, equipments, etc

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

以下是转发的邮件：

发件人: "Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu>
日期: June 13, 2012 7:52:42 AM MDT
收件人: Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>
抄送: "Friedrich, David" <david_f...@harvard.edu>, Administrative Board <adb...@fas.harvard.edu>, "Diaz, Eva" <eva_...@harvard.edu>
主题: 回复： Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery

Dear Scarlett,

I wondered if you could pass on the contact information for the Harvard alumni you are working with on this program and the people and organizations you are working with to market the program to Chinese high school students.  How much are the Chinese high school student families paying to participate in this program?  Also the contact information for the people at EZLearning, MIT, Peking University, Fudan University, Tsinghua University and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences that you mention on your website would be helpful.  Also who is the webmaster for your website?  There are many pictures of Harvard University and Memorial Hall prominently displayed all over the site.  I see that the Harvard logo has been removed from the application but the Harvard name in the url, on the website and the pictures still remain. I also would like to know your plans for the health and safety of participants since the website talks of harsh, expedition conditions.

Sincerely,

Robin Mount


Robin Mount, EdD
Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities
Office of Career Services
Faculty of Arts and Sciences
Harvard University
54 Dunster Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8957
rmo...@fas.harvard.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Scarlett Yin [mailto:yura...@college.harvard.edu]

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:27 AM
To: Mount, Robin
Cc: Friedrich, David; Administrative Board; Diaz, Eva
Subject: Re: Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery

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[Ling Yang]

咱们现在的关键是要把事情弄小。所以说
第一，关闭网站
第二，停止7月的活动
第三，不要被他搞乱手脚，弄清楚他们的目的是什么。什么是他重点关注的事情。

[Ling Yang]

还有一个是不要说假话   不能说的东西就不说  回避

[Ling Yang]

弄清目的就是从他的邮件里面找信息。
目前看来，他们最关注的是对于学校品牌的侵犯。
这一块，咱们除了用了Logo之外。并没有说过这个是哈佛的项目。我们都是用的是哈佛大学的学生这样的句子。所以说这块不是太大的问题

在一个是其他学校的问题，这一个咱们需要落实一下，有一到两个教授，这一点就可以了。

在一个是收费的问题。我们需要明确的就是non-profit.不对哈佛的学生收钱。  目前看来，他们是知道我们对大陆学生收钱的。
我们需要说的是，我们要明确，成本高，所以要收费。还有一点就是需不需要说是有企业来支持呢？

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

怎么弄清楚他们的目的？？咱们先不回答他问的什么学校什么的呢

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

同意大叔！

[Ling Yang]

尹姐姐别着急回复   等明天skype完后再发。
咱们不要乱，乱了容易出错。

[Harvard]

深圳公司没问题。大学是关键

发自我的 iPhone

在 2012-6-13，23:28，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

我怕咱们找大学教授倒时候他们又给大学打电话会把教授都给害了。企业也一样。别弄的那么复杂了。咱们需要那么多安全措施可不就要收很多钱么？？

另外大叔你深圳的公司没有乱说话把？？

[Ling Yang]

Yoon这边已经搞定

另外那个孩子就不要来了。。。

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

我们需要提供的几个东西：

1）最重要的, budget：证明我们不是for-profit

2）清晰的组织架构：the role Harvard students are playing here; the role other Chinese companies are playing here; other universities' role here, etc. 

3)  整改方案

2012/6/13 Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu>

怎么弄清楚他们的目的？？咱们先不回答他问的什么学校什么的呢

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

同意大叔！

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Ling Yang <ling...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

--
Snow Xue Rui

Harvard University

2284 Harvard Yard Mail Center 

Cambridge, MA  02138

[Harvard]

Ez-learning事什么公司？

发自我的 iPhone

在 2012-6-13，23:33，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

我觉得我之前写的挺clear的，就是ez-learning只是帮我们实现和联系那些旅游的计划等等

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

i think we should only include only one chinese company, which is the ez-learning. i mean no other company has participated right? 

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

我们需要提供的几个东西：

1）最重要的, budget：证明我们不是for-profit

2）清晰的组织架构：the role Harvard students are playing here; the role other Chinese companies are playing here; other universities' role here, etc. 

3)  整改方案

2012/6/13 Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu>

怎么弄清楚他们的目的？？咱们先不回答他问的什么学校什么的呢

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

同意大叔！

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Ling Yang <ling...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

--
Snow Xue Rui

Harvard University

2284 Harvard Yard Mail Center 

Cambridge, MA  02138

[Ling Yang]

我知道ez-learning是什么了。。。  深圳那个公司

这学校太牛了  这都能找到

[Ling Yang]

咱们现在需要对于对方可能提出的问题有一套回答。
这样他再问什么问题，我们能够有逻辑的避免问题的回复出去。
他问什么答什么太被动了。

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

So WE CANNOT LIE

2012/6/13 Ling Yang <ling...@college.harvard.edu>

[Harvard]

Lorin，看手机啊

发自我的 iPhone

在 2012-6-13，23:40，Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

So WE CANNOT LIE

2012/6/13 Ling Yang <ling...@college.harvard.edu>

我知道ez-learning是什么了。。。  深圳那个公司

[Harvard]

你这个里面有问题啊亲，咱们已经停了。所以不存在一半一半的问题。

先别回，明天说完再回复。

现在是忙中出错。

发自我的 iPhone

在 2012-6-13，23:46，Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

我是觉得如果都是一两个人会更象诈骗，组织性也是legit的一部分，多方声音也比我一个人口说无凭强。你说dinc给我的，还不是要问谁代表dinc给我的？不是让他更怀疑？＂组织＂总要落实到人的，你说呢？

另外是真的需要大叔提供签约medical team, tour guide, physical coach的证据，不然一直不知不为过真的真的很假。我前面那封harvard name在campus上提到不是故意+道歉他这次已经接受不知不为过不在追究了，所以我们需要每个人解释+道歉+证实一部分，让他有种拼凑出真相的感觉。如一人说很没说服力

另外，他忽略了我提到停战协议，而是还在追查。你看不出已经不是trademark和logo的问题么？从一开始maddie去投诉，到后来ogc网站上的fraud alert，学校就要的不是道歉和我们不是故意了，他觉得我们not real，他要真相，然后他自会裁决。所以，躲是躲不住的同学。你躲躲闪闪不给证据只是由一个人说花哨话，他到时候来句法庭见咱就都很被动了

我们是legit的，如果这个出发点，大家站出来出力维护自己的心血是很正常的，对不对？

Max Yang is working on domestic outreach and preparation. He will provide you a complete list of our partners and sponsors. We take care of the participants by equipping each program medical team, medicines, tour guides, insurance, safety gear, local accommodation, expedition equipments renting, drinking water and food, etc. We also arranged physical training and outdoor coachig at the beginning of each route when all participants are in Beijing. Max will also provide you related documents as proof.

We hired local website makers to construct our sites. They found the photos from google pictures. We will shut the site down immediately.

DINC charges each participant around $5000 for the trip. The fee covers (as states on the chinese version of our website)

transportation (SUV, Jeep, horses, etc), accommodation, food and water, and all the above mentioned safety consideration. Snow Rui will provide you a detailed budget of how we come to this number. On a separate note, as far as I know, DINC has recruited ____ chinese students already, but NONE of them is charged yet. We are aware of students' concern for fraud, so we ask them to pay half when arrive in Beijing, at the start of the journey,  and the other half when we return safely home. 

Hope all these info serve you well. DINC is canceling all its activity an dismissing students an staff now. It will compensate each high school students 100 RMB for the their sunk opportunity cost - after all, we screwed up their summer plans which matter a lot for a high school career. 

We are students ourselves. We sincerely want to avoid further trouble and make up for confusion. 

Thanks,

Scarlett

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

[Harvard]

另外，这件事情不要和任何外人讲。

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[Harvard]

　lorin,别激动。

就像我刚才说的，别着急，准备好答案再说，现在这样太被动。

咱们现在每说一句话都要能够解决问题。

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在 2012-6-14，0:11，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

实在不行给drew faust写信，说harvard really disappointed us, we thought we are accepted to make changes, and we were trying with our year long effort, now we might have made some confusions and mistakes but we are doing the best we can, yet the university is not recognizing our effort. this is really disheartening. 

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

那个fraud alert包括ogs的东西只对faculty和staff开放。。姐姐看清楚！！！不要乱不要着急。

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

“non profit, 提供budget，解释与中介关系，提供几个大学resource名字” 这个我同意

至于要不要提到大叔，我的态度是，不一定。看如果能把组织架构说清楚就不用。

2012/6/13 Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

不不，童鞋们弄错重点了。他是觉得我们是诈骗知道么？不是说我们撤他们就满意的，不然昨晚那封我提了要不我们关掉他就会有反应。我前面说了，maddie的举报和他的追究都表明他要的是真相不是息事宁人。美国人不是中国人

lorin，昨天给你的链接，讲fraud alert的文章去下下来分享下呀！他很可能说我们，因为他特别屏蔽我对这单独一篇文章的access，如是，则他已对我们定性，我们再说自己不是故意的，我们撤好不好就很苍白。真的要给证据才能洗清

我觉得的重点都写在前面draft里。non profit, 提供budget，解释与中介关系，提供几个大学resource名字，再次表态我们不干了不成么反正也没收钱

[Harvard]

明天早一点吧。美西八点？

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在 2012-6-14，0:14，Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

这倒是可以看情况一试

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

在 Jun 13, 2012，10:11 AM，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

实在不行给drew faust写信，说harvard really disappointed us, we thought we are accepted to make changes, and we were trying with our year long effort, now we might have made some confusions and mistakes but we are doing the best we can, yet the university is not recognizing our effort. this is really disheartening. 

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

那个fraud alert包括ogs的东西只对faculty和staff开放。。姐姐看清楚！！！不要乱不要着急。

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

“non profit, 提供budget，解释与中介关系，提供几个大学resource名字” 这个我同意

至于要不要提到大叔，我的态度是，不一定。看如果能把组织架构说清楚就不用。

2012/6/13 Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

不不，童鞋们弄错重点了。他是觉得我们是诈骗知道么？不是说我们撤他们就满意的，不然昨晚那封我提了要不我们关掉他就会有反应。我前面说了，maddie的举报和他的追究都表明他要的是真相不是息事宁人。美国人不是中国人

lorin，昨天给你的链接，讲fraud alert的文章去下下来分享下呀！他很可能说我们，因为他特别屏蔽我对这单独一篇文章的access，如是，则他已对我们定性，我们再说自己不是故意的，我们撤好不好就很苍白。真的要给证据才能洗清

我觉得的重点都写在前面draft里。non profit, 提供budget，解释与中介关系，提供几个大学resource名字，再次表态我们不干了不成么反正也没收钱

- Scarlett 

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在 Jun 13, 2012，9:46 AM，Ling Yang <ling...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

[Harvard]

尹姐姐把来往邮件一块发一下。我们需要知道之前都说了啥。现在还应该说啥

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在 2012-6-14，0:17，Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

我知道，那是最后的办法。但咱们一定得小心不能再扯更多的公司和人了。就把联系的设备阿，酒店阿，行程阿都发给他们。看到我们是一个非常well planned 的东西

[Harvard]

妥。

大家稳住。明天聊完后再定。

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在 2012-6-14，0:43，Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

人人首页也关掉

大叔，貌似要机主去操作

密码用户名都是dinc2012

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

[Ling Yang]

尹接呼叫啊

2012/6/14 Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

yooooooooooo在干嘛啊都⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯

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在 2012-6-13，下午10:34， Yuchen Gu 写道：

What we need:

1. Slides we showed to harvard students

2. Original itinerary

3. Bank account summary of 0 money

4. Partner companies for equipment, SUVs, hotels, office renting, etc

5. Budget Summary

6. Money we have spent on Yoon and other things in the program (reservation fees etc)

7. Make it clear that we are only having resources with such institutions, not AFFILIATED with. We never said we are a Harvard or MIT or PKU or anything program, we are only harvard students who organized this. 

8. show them that no harvard participant or chinese high school students have paid anything

9. show that our website is modeled after HSYLC, which you guys have participated in and has aspired to create something similar yet different. 

2012/6/13 Harvard <ling...@college.harvard.edu>

[Ling Yang]

现在问题的关键是三个点
第一个   有没有牟利
没有  我们有旅行社行程单和报价单  哈佛学生的机票   各种花费 ez-learning只是帮我们宣传

第二   是不是诈骗
没有   我们有联系人  教授 行程 这块是咱们的破绽   我们需要把这块坐实

第三  侵权
我们是无辜的   我们发现问题后及时的改正了  并且没有因为这个行为谋取任何的利益

第四  历史
这个我不清楚之前是口头上怎么说的    以及学校掌握了多少   这块目前就是看能不能找到一个靠谱的校友

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

lydia你手机呢？？？

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

北大

史俊英

中国教育电视协会高校电视专业为学会 副秘书长

北大电视台台长

手机：18910051223

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lydia Ding <ld...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

我操！！！！！！！疯了！！！！！！！我不淡定了。。。。刚刚从香港回来就这样了啊！！！！！！！！！！！！！

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好了我淡定了。

首先吧我觉得这件事能不要弄大最好不要弄大，大了对我们绝对没有好处，只会更丢人。在经历了一次这件事情以后，我的深刻体会是⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯其实哈佛还是对学生很好的，上ad board他们和我们说的是，我们不是在找理由把你们踢出去，是在找理由把你们留下来，我们真的希望你们留下来这个样子。所以，我觉得，我们只要咬定dinc是一个为了哈佛学生好，为了高中学生好，什么都好的基本点出发，很无辜地不晓得为什么用了哈佛的名字，我们根本没有招摇撞骗的意思，就可以了。

另外。。请各位亲们担待着点，我和谷雨晨上过Ad board了，真的不能再去了，第一次幸运只是警告了一下（但是应该是已经有记录了。。。。）再来一次我们就死定了- - 幕后的东西我们当然会尽职尽责地一起想办法，希望大家不要把我们供出去了⋯⋯

另外我稍微解释一下ad board的程序，其实很简单的，就是每个involved party写一个statement，然后有些人问问你问题（有时候很chill，有时候很一针见血），然后就是决定（大概就是这个样子）。决定有几种吧，最重的是休学一年，最轻的是admonish，就是当木有这回事儿，但是中间还有个什么警告啊什么的，我觉得我们aim for这俩就好了，一般来说是可以的。另外不知道这次和academic的一样不一样，所以⋯⋯

另外呢，我觉得哈佛最生气我们的地方应该是我们用了哈佛的名字，我觉得我们解释的时候应该是这么个思路：

话说HSILK啊，HPAIR啊，多少年前都是一些人创办出来的啊，我们觉得我们的项目和他们的初衷很像，我们当时因为时间紧张没有来得及做research到底有在哈佛是个什么程序，但是我们觉得哈佛是非常supportive of its student's taking initiative的！！

现在重点的我同意尹姐姐说出来的那几点，主要是我们像是诈骗机构因为没有任何联系人是valid的。。。。大家要不要随便托付一个大学老师，只要他们能说恩恩我们是联系人就够了。。。！！

On Jun 14, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Scarlett Yin wrote:

第一块：财政

为何收费：旅行社（三江源支出）＋其他（北京支出＋药品＋食物水）＋哈佛学生cost＋办公费用。

证据：行程单（行程单：抬头to dinc，行程，配车标准，住宿标准，导游和医护人员标准，收费），北京酒店订单，保险单，办公室租约，

非盈利：重申强调没人付过钱。按原计划也是保险可靠的half-half

证据：到现在的支出（琐碎＋yoon），dinc 0收入帐户。

第二块：关系（最晚16日要集齐联系方式）

和中介：发布信息的平台

证据：ezlearning联系方式＋证词。

和学校：和教授、校友、同学以个人名义partner up，从来不是affiliated

证据：清华（snow老师），复旦（scarlett老师），北大（老太台长），社科院（保密），mit（snow学生）联系方式＋证词。

第三块：网站

找了公司，他们擅自用的，我们法盲就默许了，现在认识错误了，所以整个撤了

第四块：中国招生

ezlearning

第五块：善后态度

DINC暂停一切活动，dismiss所有学生和顾问，赔偿每个学生100人民币opportunity cost，愿意公开道歉

遗留问题：

我们的历史：哈佛校友

此人高中时期办了中国大学生和中国高中生的项目，然后他毕业了我们进校了，我们就想继承衣钵办哈佛大学生和中国高中生

Harvard College
617-949-9271
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在 2012-6-14，上午12:13， Scarlett Yin 写道：

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Harvard College
617-949-9271
2624 Harvard Yard Mail Ctr.

下面是被转发的邮件：

发件人: "Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu>

主题: RE: Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 2012 DINC Summer Discovery

日期: 2012年6月13日格林尼治标准时间-0400上午9时52分42秒

收件人: Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

抄送: "Friedrich, David" <david_f...@harvard.edu>, Administrative Board <adb...@fas.harvard.edu>, "Diaz, Eva" <eva_...@harvard.edu>

- Scarlett

Sent from my iPhone

- Scarlett

Sent from my iPhone

在 Jun 8, 2012，3:53 PM，"Mount, Robin" <rmo...@fas.harvard.edu> 写道：

Dear Scarlett,

The DINC Discovery In Nature and Culture Program has come to our

attention and according to the website this appears to be a Harvard

program with Harvard faculty participating.  We have not been able to

verify that this is a Harvard program and I wondered if you could tell

us some more about this program.

Sincerely,

Robin Mount

Robin Mount, EdD

Director Office of Career, Research and International Opportunities

Office of Career Services

Faculty of Arts and Sciences

Harvard University

54 Dunster Street

Cambridge, MA 02138

617-496-8957

rmo...@fas.harvard.edu

From: Scarlett Yin [mailto:yura...@college.harvard.edu]

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 3:23 PM

To: Mount, Robin

Subject: Re: Please Contact Me

Hi Robin,

I'd love to talk through email. What's up?

- Scarlett

Sent from my iPhone

Harvard College
617-949-9271
2624 Harvard Yard Mail Ctr.

[Ling Yang]

不会数数了  四点   亲我同情你

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Lydia Ding <ld...@college.harvard.edu> wrote:

操我tm倒霉死了。。。。手机充电器忘在hk了，想出门买一个新的我tm被锁在家里了。。。锁在家里了啊！！！！！！

[Ling Yang]

尹姐姐   历史这块的往来材料还有之前都说过啥   这块你能否再找一找东西
咱们好依据这个来弄

[Lydia Ding]

我操。。。。

另外- 谷雨晨你丫能不能赶紧交话费啊！！！！我tm这几个月都可以20块钱的说，tm欠费人家不给换Reduced price plan。。。。。你还我钱⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯

On Jun 17, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Yuchen Gu wrote:

明天我给robin mount打个电话探探口风，不暴露自己就说是scarlet和snow得美国朋友说你们英语不好可能情感什么表达得不太对你们有点担心让我打电话过去解释一下。我探探他口风你们再发东西。明白？

2012/6/17 Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu>

didn't see show me

2012/6/17 Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

@lorin

我昨天群发的draft看到没？帮忙修改下，还有补copyright的那一段加上去呀

还有～

交话费啊啊啊啊啊啊！！！！别拖了好么亲们？！

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在 2012-6-16，下午11:10， Yuchen Gu 写道：

hows preparation going!?!

2012/6/15 Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu>

网站可以暂停运营，不要关闭，可以表态我们愿意解决问题。

这样的话重点在mit的connection！校友还是要的吧........装忘记太奇怪了？

- Scarlett 

Sent from my iPhone

在 Jun 14, 2012，8:11 PM，Snow Xue Rui <xue...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

+1 

历史问题如何解决？

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在 Jun 14, 2012，10:59 PM，Scarlett Yin <yura...@college.harvard.edu> 写道：

@大叔 历史这块没有别的了，就是这样一个校友历史。我们说我们之前去过很多地方，可以说成是各自成员各自去得

另外ez learning的联系人名字title和电话给我

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在 2012-6-14，上午3:56， Xue Rui 写道：

lorin 现在是这样，我可以请我在清华的哥们帮我找导师。关键是不能害了人家……

你是怎么和老太说的？

2012/6/14 Yuchen Gu <yuch...@college.harvard.edu>

清华得老师困难阿。。。不认识

尹姐姐   历史这块的往来材料还有之前都说过啥   这块你能否再找一找东西
咱们好依据这个来弄

不会数数了  四点   亲我同情你

操我tm倒霉死了。。。。手机充电器忘在hk了，想出门买一个新的我tm被锁在家里了。。。锁在家里了啊！！！！！！

lydia你手机呢？？？

手机：18910051223

和学校：和教授、校友、同学以个人�=8