[Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
Chuck Dean
a email list serve, like Harp-L for chromatic harmonicas? Would you crom
players join? I think part of the problem is there isn't enough options, and
an email list serve could fill the gap.
I do think, however, that the only way it would be successful if it was
endorsed by Harp_L and SPAH.
I'd be willing to devote some time and maybe $$$ to get one started.
Chuck
Some times I wonder... "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger?"
Then it hits me...
Slim Heilpern
I'm not sure the smoke has fully cleared ;-).
I'm curious as to what new options you would offer. We already have
this wonderful list serve called harp-l which does invite and carry a
fair amount of chromatic posts. We already have the SlideMeister forum
with its focus on chromatic-only content. There are other more general
forums such as harptalk and HarmonicaSpace which for whatever reason
don't seem to match the activity of either harp-l or slidemeister
(which suggests to me that it's not necessarily easy to establish an
online community).
Many fine chromatic players have already come forward to say they
detest _any_ segregation between the types of harmonicas, and then you
have folks like myself who enjoy the current options and don't see any
real need for a new alternative.
If there were yet another active forum with a focus on chromatic, of
course I'd join -- but the key word is "active". If you're serious,
perhaps the first step would be to come up with a mission statement --
who is this list for, what is the gap it is trying to fill, what is
the goal of the list, how is it distinguished from the current
choices, etc... And then you need to deal with the nasty parts, how
will it be governed and who will take the time to maintain it -- and
if it isn't going to leverage a free hosting option (such as yahoo or
google), who will pay for it over time.
Not trying to discourage the idea, but I don't personally see that
there is a current need for another chromatic-focussed discussion list
or forum, so I don't know how you would get folks to use it over the
current options.
Just my 2 cents.....
- Slim.
www.SlideManSlim.com
www.JazzHarmonicaSummit.com
www.SlideManSlim.com/blog
Rob Paparozzi
By saying this you are just contributing to the 'separation factor' and also
implying that Harp-L is for Diatonic Harps....for that reason alone I would
not join....it's just too many lists for me, I have limited time on email
and Harp-l always has an answer to my questions.......
Harp-L is for Harmonica
There is absolutely no need to 'split' Harp-L you can have a full out
Chromatic Discussion and there you go , no rules or banning etc........
PS...I know alot of SM's are here as their site is down, hope y'all are fine
and your always welcome here in the free world!,-))))) (just a joke folks!)
All the best,
Rob Paparozzi
Emile Damico
the technology available.
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From: Rob Paparozzi <chro...@earthlink.net>
To: Chuck Dean <cade...@gmail.com>; Harp L <har...@harp-l.org>
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 10:26:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
buzz krantz
for the peeps who are running it. I like the idea that I can learn
about anything harmonica. I remember when the split between the
chromatic & the diatonic was a big pain in the ass. I don't play
Chromatic, but I love to hear & play along with them. Rob is right on
about splitting us up. It's a very bad idea. I enjoy reading about
the chrom issues as much as I enjoy the short harp stuff. Ive learned
a lot about my instrument here form the many different views of both.
thank you harp-l
Buzz Krantz( the Santa Claus of the Blues :-) )
Gene Pool
Yeah, I'd prefer to see one, big, happy family. What I do miss about that other site is the menu system, and the ability to follow threads chronologically and in real time. Also, an old thread can be suddenly revived when someone makes a new post. Also, you can modify your post if you say something really dumb (only if you catch yourself in time though).
--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Rob Paparozzi <chro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Rob Paparozzi <chro...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
JohnnieHarp
>the technology available.
There are .... however ... I like that all the HarpL posts are listed
here chronologically and easily accessible ... I don't have to check
out various threads and wade through existing posts I've already read
to find the most recent ... and I'm exposed to topics / discussions
that otherwise I might not ... also often as the discussion develops
there is info that is posted that I find useful that I might otherwise
miss if I skipped over a thread due to the initial title of the thread
... perhaps other interfaces allow this option as well?
The only thing I find annoying is that some postings don't stay
confined to my browser window when I enlarge the page to make the text
easily readable ... seems to be related to the email program or
account (ie gmail vs yahoo) of the sender ...
Mojo Red
There should definitely be a separate harp forum for every type of harp there is... Who needs cross-pollination of instruments and/or musical ideas and styles, genres, cultures, personal tastes or religious affiliation?? Not me, brother. I like what I like, and that's what I like.
We could each be safe and sound. We wouldn't have to face the challenges and rigors of accepting different ideas or musical tastes or cultural influences. Yep. A separate forum for everyone.
Lessee... here's a brief rundown of the great forums we could consider:
One for diatonic
One for chromatic (sub groups for 12-hole vs. 16-hole)
One for diatonic played chromatically
One for chromatic played diatonically
One for chord harp
One for bass harp
One for echo harp (octave harps considered on case-by-case basis)
One for minor tuned diatonic (with sub-groups for harmonic minor and harmonic minor)
One for diminished tuned harps (other tunings considered on case-by-case basis)
One for blues harp music
One for jazz harp music (with sub groups for chromatic, diatonic, chromatic/diatonic)
One for schmaltzy harp music (trios will be accepted on a case-by case basis)
One for Celtic harp (with sub-groups for paddy tuned/diatonic/chromatic/special tuned echo harps a-la Donald Black etc)
One for devotional music (with sub-groups divided by major denominations of Christianity, and sub-sub groups for those playing each of these musical forms on diatonic vs. chromatic)
One for non-Christian devotional music (Hindu/Buddhist/Muslim/Jewish/Chocolate Church, etc.)
One for harp amps (sub groups for tube amps/effects and solid state amps/effects)
One for overblow techniques
One for overdraw techniques
One for harp repair
One for three-draw reed issues
One for 10-draw reed intonation specialists.
Yesiree. Wouldn't it be great if we all had our own little forum to cozy up to? Well, maybe not, eh.
In case you didn't see the SARCASM in my post... I'd like to officially state here that I totally agree with Rob P. when he says:
"Harp-L is for Harmonica"....
Period. End of story.
Now, can't we just all get along? It's a big friendly harmonica world.
C'mon people... let's MINGLE!!
Harpin' in Colorado,
--Ken M.
TeraBlu Band on My Space
http://www.myspace.com/terablu
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From: Rob Paparozzi <chro...@earthlink.net>
To: Chuck Dean <cade...@gmail.com>; Harp L <har...@harp-l.org>
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 8:26:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
Chuck,
joe leone
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Mojo Red wrote:
>
> One for chromatic (sub groups for 12-hole vs. 16-hole)
>
I kinda like this one. I have always considered 64 players to be of
that bunch who just have to have a really really big pistol (like a
41 or 44 magnum), when all us little guys need is a (tiny) 357. lolol
smo-joe (little 48 player)
Rob Paparozzi
Your cracking me up!!!!
Thanx Bro.....I feel safer and sounder just thinking about such an amazing
forum,-)
Rob P
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From: "Mojo Red" <harp...@yahoo.com>
To: "Harp-L" <har...@harp-l.org>
Cc: "Rob Paparozzi" <chro...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
Mike Rogers
there's those red plastic ones, shaped like a lobster.
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Abner
that are written about everything.
If in not interested I just delete that topic.
I love the blues, can't play it for a hill of beans. Mostly play rock
( Open Mic )
Now one of the accustic guy comes over to learn how to play the blues
on his guitar.
This is how I see Harp - L.
You see, you read, you like, you try, you enjoy.
I would love to understand more about the chrom and the differance
from the diatonic.
I seems the cost is hi on the chrom and there is a button. I know C
Musslewhite, S Wonder both use the chrom. Richard Perkins who is on
this list is teaching himself how to play the chrom.
Abner (BluEyes, Harp-L the 2nd great melting pot)
joe leone
On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Mojo Red wrote:
Having to do with dividing harmonicas into divisions.
This was done most excellently tongue in cheek. To which I replied
ALSO tongue in cheek. And I hope everyone took it as such. But I have
a few things to submit that may or may not help explain the
'perceived' division(s) in harpers. Remember, this is only an
opinion. Ascertained from years of ascertainment.
1... There seem to be some (remember, I said some) music readers whom
think that they are up a step when dealing with non music readers.
This is fine EXCEPT, I know readers who play with no feeling. Given a
choice, I prefer the one whom plays with feeling.
2... There are some (remember the some) players whom only play the C
chromatic and learn everything in every key on said chromo. To this
end, they feel they are up a step when dealing with people who play
various keys IN that key. While it IS true that most players who play
other keys DO do this, there are also players who use various keys IN
various keys. Winding up with a THIRD various key.
3... There are chromo players who feel that unless you are able to
play the melody, you are a step down. This is where there is a
division between chromo and diatonic players. Some chromo players
feel that for diatonic players to only comp., fill in, do runs &
riffs, and in general add flavor, are not as interesting as someone
who can do the 'recognizable' melody. They feel that even the
diatonic solos are only improv. Even if the player can duplicate
these solos, it is still improv.
4... Most chromo players (with exceptions) stay pretty much close to
the melody. And anyone who goes so far out into orbit so as to loose
said melody, are not good players, and therefore loose respect. While
diatonic players are better known for pushing the extreme edge of the
world and spend time balancing out over the edge, some getting very
close to falling off, most chromo players don't venture as far into
the netherworld.
5... Some chromo players are not impressed when someone plays
diatonic, claims to also play chromo, but only uses the chromo in the
3rd (Dm) position. Using the excuse that Dm is the easiest key one
can possibly Play ON a chromo. Using the excuse that there is NO
possible way to GET a discord in Dm, and ANY mouth full of DRAW notes
will work as the notes all mesh melodically.
6... Some players (both chromatic and diatonic) feel that altered
tunings are 'cheating'. Their feeling is that YOU are playing
something that you PURPOSELY rigged in such a way that THEY can't
duplicate it. Even if the only reason you did it was to make it sound
better. They still think they are being 'slicked' (cheated).
7... There are players in both instruments that feel that their taste
in music is what they will listen to. Instead of being open minded,
and giving other music a chance. Why I remember a man leaving the
hall when 'The Mooch' was played. Being a droning minor key
arrangement, that (very good chromo player), referred to it as 'Devil
Music'.
As I said the other day, I think it's an age thing. Many of the older
players are set in their ways, and have developed a taste for music
that, may seem to some people, be frozen in time.
8... Some players see harmonicas as being male & female. Just as the
female it thought by many to be the 'newer improved' model, the
older, earlier to arrive diatonic is the male from which the
chromatic sprung almost 'rib like' onto the scene. To that end, some
players see the chromatic as the new improved model.
9... Remember, chromatics are like an apartment building. Each and
every note has a TRUE bone fide address. Some on the first floor
(slide in). some on the second (slide out). Some on this side of the
hall (draw), some on the opposite side (blow). But with a chromo. it
is almost impossible to get an address wrong. A diatonic is more like
a rooming house. Although you DO have apts/rooms for MOST of the
notes, some have no TRUE home and live a..in the laundry room, b..in
the stair well, c.. in the utility/furnace room, d.. in the linen
locker, e.. in the void in the walls between apt 3 & 4 where the
chimney and plumbing goes.
In other words, these are the notes where you (as the mail man) more
or less INVENTED an address FOR them in an effort to 'deliver their
mail'. Every note manufactured out of thin air has an address
concocted out of thin air.
Ergo, I feel diatonics are more difficult to master than chromatics.
I say this AS a (predominately) chromo player. So, in conclusion,
everything is going to work out fine as the chromo band keeps getting
smaller. The other day I said the dividing line is 64 years of age.
15 years ago, I would have said 49. Time marches on..be patient.
There's no reason for any (so called) divisions. Soon i will be a
moot point..........by attrition. :(
smokey-joe
Rob Paparozzi
However, IMO, I think the Chromatic is only getting more popular amongst
Diatonic players and surely going beyond 3rd position interest, at least
that's what I'm seeing in my travels and teaching requests.
OK regarding your Number 9,-) ...Just remember if your SLIDE spring breaks,
you risk being evicted from your home, however I heard they are building a
new Ronald McDonald Home for these wandering 'Broken buttoned Vagabonds'
called The SM House,-))))
just joshing ofcourse, nice work on the post, I enjoyed it!
best,
Rob
PS....as my favorite singer Clarence 'Frogman Henry' from new orleans sings:
I AIN'T GOT NO HOME !
> 9... Remember, chromatics are like an apartment building. Each and every
> note has a TRUE bone fide address. Some on the first floor (slide in).
> some on the second (slide out). Some on this side of the hall (draw),
> some on the opposite side (blow). But with a chromo. it is almost
> impossible to get an address wrong. A diatonic is more like a rooming
> house. Although you DO have apts/rooms for MOST of the notes, some have
> no TRUE home and live a..in the laundry room, b..in the stair well, c..
> in the utility/furnace room, d.. in the linen locker, e.. in the void in
> the walls between apt 3 & 4 where the chimney and plumbing goes.
>
> In other words, these are the notes where you (as the mail man) more or
> less INVENTED an address FOR them in an effort to 'deliver their mail'.
> Every note manufactured out of thin air has an address concocted out of
> thin air.
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe leone" <3n...@comcast.net>
To: "Mojo Red" <harp...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Harp L Harp L" <har...@harp-l.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
>
joe leone
On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Abner wrote:
> Since we are still on the subject of the Chrom,
> I have learned a bit of the differance between the Chrom and the
> Diatonic.
> I have no Chrom and am now thinking of getting one. But it seems a
> lot more complicated then the Diatonic. All my teaching materials
> are all in Diatonics.
You don't need teaching material for chromatics. I used trumpet
charts. In fact, I rarely listened to harmonica music....back
then. :) Get some flute music.
smo-joe
> And my being a tone deaf, non musical simpleton makes learning a
> bit harder.
>
>
> Abner ( BluEyes, don't forget being lazy)
>
>
Abner
level stuff on the diatonic. I play by my tone deaf ear and very short
term music memory loss.
I can play when the music is on. Buy once it's off so is my mind.
Abner (BluEyes, me I have no mind: from West Side Story )
JohnnieHarp
>smo-joe
Like this?
Abner
I can't wait to check out your Chrom
Abner
On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:22 PM, richard perkins
<judob...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Hi Abner and everyone, I have a cx12 Chromatic that i'm screwing
> around with, but also for an inexpensive little chromatic, a 10
> hole swan, that I carry around in my harp bag. A little tiney
> sounding but very good to start with considering the price. On E-Bay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Swan-Chromatic-Harmonica-10-Hole-40-Tone-C-Key-Bag-/170496876392?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b267df68
>
> also a first book to play chrom I found pretty good was David Harp's
> book on chromatic. (Abner I'll lend you my copy when I get back.)
>
> --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Abner <cdga...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> From: Abner <cdga...@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
> To: "joe leone" <3n...@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Harp L Harp L" <har...@harp-l.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:46 AM
>
> I love flute music. And it's hard for me just to understand the
> entry level stuff on the diatonic. I play by my tone deaf ear and
> very short term music memory loss.
> I can play when the music is on. Buy once it's off so is my mind.
>
> Abner (BluEyes, me I have no mind: from West Side Story )
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, joe leone <3n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Abner wrote:
> >
> >> Since we are still on the subject of the Chrom,
> >> I have learned a bit of the differance between the Chrom and the
> Diatonic.
> >> I have no Chrom and am now thinking of getting one. But it seems
> a lot more complicated then the Diatonic. All my teaching materials
> are all in Diatonics.
> >
> > You don't need teaching material for chromatics. I used trumpet
> charts. In fact, I rarely listened to harmonica music....back
> then. :) Get some flute music.
> > smo-joe
> >
joe leone
Yeah man, you gotsit, you cool. 'Comin Home Baby' in Gm (by Mel
Torme). Sumpin wit some guts to it. I play it all the time. One of my
favorites.
smo-joe
Abner
I have learned a bit of the differance between the Chrom and the
Diatonic.
I have no Chrom and am now thinking of getting one. But it seems a lot
more complicated then the Diatonic. All my teaching materials are all
in Diatonics.
harder.
Abner ( BluEyes, don't forget being lazy)
On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:07 AM, "Rob Paparozzi" <Chro...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Abner
Abner