Water tanker prices

[Amitav Roy]

Copying our Evergreens Folks in CC to confirm on the water situation as I am yet to shift there .

 

BTW ,I am in another thread with the Sobha Apartments of Bellandur and they are preparing the attached list of documents and simultaneously preparing to file the PIL against BWSSB as the pipeline is going by their side in ORR service road and the PIL will obviously drag the builders as well because both these parties(BWSSB and Builders) were supposed to work together for the attached list of documents with the money they collected from us.  

 

So we should proceed simultaneously on the 2 options like them.

 

1) All the big apartmentsof HARALUR ROAD  should gather the attached list of documents and pursue with local BWSSB officials and try to make some progress on the pipeline front  as the local BWSSB officials have reiterated during discussing last week  that Water is available from the Kudlu reservoir and residents/builders can make the payment in 3 installments wherein BWSSB will sanction the pipeline after residents/builders pay the 1st installment and the other 2 installments can be paid depending on the progress of the work.

  

2) File PIL which will legally enforce the BWSSB and especially the builders to work together  on point 1 with our money which we/builders anyway have to pay today or tomorrow  to get BWSSB water .   

 

Regards

Amitav

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM, <mulay....@gmail.com> wrote:

Rs.400 was the rate fixed last year with their association.

We will have to arrive at an agreement like last year.

Sachin

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From: Srini <niva...@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:33:44 +0530

To: Sachin Mulay<mulay....@gmail.com>; Amitav Roy<amita...@gmail.com>; Rajesh Rao<kraje...@gmail.com>; Meera K<Meer...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Water tanker prices

Adding Meera of Raindrops..

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Srini <niva...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Water tanker guys are acting up and outrageously demanding an increase of Rs 100 per 6000 Ltr tanker and threatening to stop water if we dont agree..

How much is Ozone,SJR and Trinity paying? and have you guys agreed to increase in rates?

We are paying 400 currently

Srini
Springfields.

[Srini]

Hi Amitav,

While we parallelly pursue this, I just want to make sure we all agree to a standard increase instead of arbitrary increase because increase in rates is inevitable until BWSSB becomes reality.

They are pushing hard for 500 and quoting randomly some apartments are already paying it.. They infact said Trinity is already agreeing to 500.. Tomorrow, we dont want them to quote Springfields to push their rates..

So lets be careful here.

Srini

[Rajesh Rao]

Looping in office bearers at Trinity, Sridharan and Jaideep.

Regards,

Rajesh

[Amitav Roy]

Hi All,

Not sure if we can effectively negotiate with Tanker Wallas from a position of strength with any such CARTEL unless we legally form a grouping of Apts. Associations in this Haralur road area because for the last few weeks we(Ozone residents) had a tough time with the existing newspaper vendor who insists on taking one month advance, delivers newspaper at 8-30 AM instead of 7 AM as requested by us and was threatening the other vendor who was ready to deliver Newspaper by 7 AM.  Finally we had to use the last resort (goodwill of our contacts) to discipline the old newspaper vendor by HSR Police.   

 

Few of us from  are planning to meet a knowledgeable  NGO-Lawyer in Shivajinagar next week to initiate the PIL for BWSSB Water + other legal help . So reps. from each Apt. association can come down to ShivajiNagar along with us to discuss on forming such a grouping of Apts. Association like CREDAI or other such CARTELs. 

 

The other area where we need more discipline is the job hopping maids or the security guys/other workers who can be blacklisted by this groupings of owners association if those maids/workers misbehave or play around with any of us.

 

This grouping will also help us to work closely with BWSSB on the 1st option I mentioned below in my earlier mail and influence them to start supplying BWSSB tanker water in the short term .

 

Regards

Amitav 

[Srini]

Correct Amitav.. This water tanker business is becoming like a real estate Rental market ie when one unassuming person starts paying a higher rent, that becomes the norm.

Srini

[Rajesh Rao]

All this reminds me of Dec 2012, when they did the same thing to increase from 300 to 400. We tried to negotiate with them as a group of buyers ( Springfield, Trinity, Raindrops, Mantri, PV, redwood), but ultimately we had no choice but to give in to their demands. They are willing to go to go to any extent to preserve their business. Best we can do is to try and negotiate the lowest possible increase.

Regards,

Rajesh

On Jan 15, 2014 2:20 PM, "jaideep nair" <jaidee...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Rajesh.

All,

As Treasurer of Trinity Acres and Woods, I can confirm that we have not increased the water tanker rates and will push back any attempt by them to increase the rates.

Thanks
Jaideep

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:40:01 +0530

Subject: Re: Water tanker prices

From: kraje...@gmail.com
To: niva...@gmail.com
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[Amitav Roy]

Hi Rajesh,

They are able to prevail over us because we haven't developed an alternative option on which we need to start working as a tiger team and make a start. Else it will be a never ending misery.   

 

Regards

Amitav

[Srini]

Yes Rajesh.. I agree.. We feel increase in inevitable but a 25% increase ie from Rs 400 to Rs 500 is ridiculous..

They are quoting their procurement costs have increased by Rs 40 per load and along with Diesel and other maintanance expenses (including driver salary), they can manage only with Rs 500.. We are saying the other expenses should not come to Rs 60 per load.. That is too much..

Srini

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Rajesh Rao <kraje...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Rajesh Rao]

Srini - it was the exact same story last time. There's not much reasoning you can do with these chaps once their seniors have met and decided to fix a price. Taking an aggressive position is counterproductive, as I can tell from experience. We tried to line up alternative vendors, all backed out as they were intimidated. At Trinity we even tried to take a tanker on contract and run it on a cost plus model, but they forced us to stop that too....

Btw we did create (and register) an association of associations, with intentions of collective bargaining, setting common procurement costs for variety of vendors, blacklisting/white listing, etc...  Much like what Amitav is now proposing. It ran out of steam after we lost the fight with the tanker cartel.

There is a ray of hope with the high court order and we must pursue it, but it will be long drawn out. Meanwhile, we have to live with these chaps.

Regards,

Rajesh

[Srini]

Rajesh, I understand but you get the reason behind my thread here .. right? We don't want to submit to a rate increase which puts other associations in the area under undue pressure..

Negotiations have started with us.. we think we cannot pay 500.. and would like to understand everyone's position on this..

Srini

[Rajesh Rao]

It may be worth trying to get the MLA or someone like bangalore urban minister Ramlinga Reddy to intervene and broker a win-win. We had not tried that last time. Our Corporator may not be able to help because many of the tanker owners are his relatives....

regards,
Rajesh

[Amitav Roy]

Hi Rajesh,

It makes sense to try this option  before elections :) .The MLA did mention during the SJR Redwood meeting before the last election to supply BWSSB tanker water to this area. 

  Since we already have a registered association ,so can we explore filing the PIL against BWSSB on behalf of this registered association and ask BWSSB to supply tanker water till they lay the pipeline .

We need to remember that 3G scam was not unearthed by any opposition political party but by a Intelligent and Brave Lawyer-Subramanium Swamy who has now joined a political party and has exposed the union Home minister only yesterday on a different issue.

 

Regards

Amitav

[Srini]

Hi Jaideep,

Any update on this?  Were you able to push them back?

Srini

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:11 PM, jaideep nair <jaidee...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Trinity Acres and Woods was also served notice yesterday to increase the water tanker rates from Rs. 400 to Rs. 500. This blackmail by the tanker mafia has to stop.

To add to Rajesh's and others points - I am in favour of approaching all the leading political parties - Congress, BJP, AAP, JDS etc as Bellandur/Mahadevpura constituency and ask who will commit to Cauvery water or BBMP water tankers in lieu of our votes. Basically become a vote bank for water. I am sure that each building will have at least 200-300 voters. So we are a huge block of voters close to 10,000.  Enough for the political parties to take notice.

This is the right time to demand our pound of flesh. Trinity has close to 400 registered voters. We can also use organizations like Art of Living to help register voters by setting up camps in the various buildings. We need to have a proper structure in getting the data of the registered voters, new voters etc by each building, collate this data and take a representation to each political party and get their feedback/promise.


Thanks
jaideep
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:48:53 +0530

Subject: Re: Water tanker prices

From: amita...@gmail.com
To: kraje...@gmail.com
CC: niva...@gmail.com; riy...@gmail.com; mulay....@gmail.com; deshmuk...@gmail.com; lalith...@hotmail.com; shr...@gmail.com; prabhaka...@gmail.com; pradh...@gmail.com; jaidee...@hotmail.com; ugr...@hotmail.com; suresh.bala...@gmail.com; ram...@auditmove.com; amitm...@gmail.com; bhupati...@gmail.com; meer...@gmail.com; harlur-road-...@googlegroups.com

[Srini]

This is the usual tactic..

We (Springfields) have not finalized..

but we would like to arrive at a nominal increase sooner than later which is acceptable by all.

Srini

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:08 PM, jaideep nair <jaidee...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Srini, All

We have told the water tankers association that their rates are not acceptable to us. They have told us that they will get back to us with the rates finalized by other buildings.

Has any building finalized rates with these guys?

Thanks
Jaideep

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:19:24 +0530

Subject: Re: Water tanker prices

From: niva...@gmail.com
To: jaidee...@hotmail.com
CC: amita...@gmail.com; kraje...@gmail.com; riy...@gmail.com; mulay....@gmail.com; deshmuk...@gmail.com; lalith...@hotmail.com; shr...@gmail.com; prabhaka...@gmail.com; pradh...@gmail.com; ugr...@hotmail.com; suresh.bala...@gmail.com; ram...@auditmove.com; amitm...@gmail.com; bhupati...@gmail.com; meer...@gmail.com; harlur-road-...@googlegroups.com

[Meera]

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