Web store front advice needed

[kdt...@gmail.com]

I am interested in setting up a web store front to be incorporated
into WorldVistA website:

http://www.worldvista.org/

My understanding is that this site is based on Plone.

I have found a couple of open source sites that report to be ecommerce
solutions that integrate with Plone.

GetPaid -- http://www.plonegetpaid.com/
and
EasyShop -- http://wiki.github.com/ned14/Easyshop/whychooseeasyshop

Any advise would be appreciated.

Kevin

[Bhaskar, KS]

There's also Google checkout (http://checkout.google.com) and Yahoo checkout (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/smallbusiness/store/manage/checkout/checkout-21.html).

I have never used either.

Regards
-- Bhaskar

GT.M - Rock solid. Lightning fast. Secure. No compromises.

http://www.worldvista.org/

Kevin

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[David Carter]

There are several out there and it depends on the features you need or whether you need something that is more turn-key.  Pay-pal and others have turn-key solutions, but sometimes the trade-off is there is a redirect.  They have server side scripts in their developer area though.  Both Pay-pal and http://www1.networkforgood.org/basic-donatenow have donation setups. They will ask for copies of your official documentation for your org when setting up your account.  When hosting on your side there has to be ssl certificates involved too, which I have never found a really great way to get the best bang for your buck on.  The question of whether you are selling a physical product, software download or setting up for something like donations would also play a factor.  A merchant account will be needed to handle the transactions either way.  Some banks have their own and rather you use their solution, but then again they can't stop you from using a 3rd party software.  Authorize.net amongst others has a decent setup for merchant accounts with software examples to go with it. All in all, I think the biggest factor is how much time you want invest vs. how much you want done through a service.  

Here is a site that has several different scripting language listings and in their sub category ecommerce section they list the various solutions www.hotscripts.com.  Some solutions are more popular than others and some cost where some don't.  Oh one other thing is if a service says they charge by transaction and it is over 3% at the most 4% I would raise an eyebrow.  Hope this helps.

[I, Valdes]

Get Paid I have found overly complex. I've used Simple Cart to good
effect. -- IV

On Jul 17, 9:05 pm, "kdt...@gmail.com" <kdt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested in setting up a web store front to be incorporated
> into WorldVistA website:
>
> http://www.worldvista.org/
>
> My understanding is that this site is based on Plone.
>
> I have found a couple of open source sites that report to be ecommerce
> solutions that integrate with Plone.
>
> GetPaid --http://www.plonegetpaid.com/
> and

> EasyShop --http://wiki.github.com/ned14/Easyshop/whychooseeasyshop

[PeterBodtke]

http://simplecart.sourceforge.net/

Peter Bodtke

[I, Valdes]

That one looks like the same name but un-related to Plone. The one I
am talking about is here: http://plone.org/products/simplecartitem/

However, it does not use buildout so you have to put it on in the
traditional pre-buildout Plone way. After installation it is simple
to use.

-- IV

[kdt...@gmail.com]

So I am still trying to wrap my head around the big concepts

1. If we want to have e-commerce with our site directly, we would need
to get a security certificate. That would ensure the customer that
their credit card information was securely transmitted through the
internet. We would then have to somehow like this to a credit card
for the actual charge. Sounds more complicated that we want to get
into.

2. If we use this simplecart, it would somehow interface with a true
commercial site, in this case PayPal, or some other site.

3. The WV site is a Plone site. There might be some way to edit
content from inside Plone (which I have yet to figure out), but
SimpleCart would need to be somehow attached to it (i.e. installed)
from outside of the Plone itself?? I'm getting in over my head here.

4. I really suspect there is someone more qualified than myself to do
all this, but it hasn't been done up to now, so I am going to try to
push and get this accomplished.

Kevin

[jc]

Kevin,

I have some experience with ecommerce websites. oscommerce shopping
cart is one of most popular open source shopping carts out there. you
can use google checkout or can have credit card processing setup. SSL
certificates can be bought for about $15/yr

Javid

[I, Valdes]

It is not a big deal. You use things like PayPal to process the credit
card. You use SimpleCart to define what you are selling and smoothly
route the customer to the checkout account. In Plone, SimpleCart is an
add-on Product that you install on the server file system once,
thereafter you define the items you are selling and what checkout
account and it is pretty much done.

-- IV

[Sanchu Shanmugam]

Kevin

I have some experience in setting up the ecommerce site.. I can be of some help..

If you ask me, I would suggest the combination of simplecartitem + Paypal account (already exist).. this will reduce complexities & easy to maintain.

Regards
Sanchu S

[kdt...@gmail.com]

Thank you everyone for the advice so far, and I may well call on some
to help.

Because of logistics, I am currently planning on hard-coding a page on
the WV site with the items for sale, and then linking to an online
store, probably Paypal.

But let me ask the next level of question:

Do these stores support selling software? I.e. after the user puts in
their money, they then are given access to a software repository? Or
does the store just send an email saying "someone bought some
software", and then it is up to us to "ship" it to them, or in this
case get them access to the file.

How should this be handled?

Kevin

On Jul 20, 6:30 am, Sanchu Shanmugam <sanchu.shanmu...@gmail.com>
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[javid]

Kevin,

I believe oscommerce will let you do that.

javid

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[K.S. Bhaskar]

One more link: http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/5-best-web-ecommerce-software-for-linux.html

Regards
-- Bhaskar

On Jul 17, 10:05 pm, "kdt...@gmail.com" <kdt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested in setting up a web store front to be incorporated
> into WorldVistA website:
>
> http://www.worldvista.org/
>
> My understanding is that this site is based on Plone.
>
> I have found a couple of open source sites that report to be ecommerce
> solutions that integrate with Plone.
>

> GetPaid --http://www.plonegetpaid.com/
> and
> EasyShop --http://wiki.github.com/ned14/Easyshop/whychooseeasyshop

[kdt...@gmail.com]

Bhaskar,

Thanks for keeping this thread going.

Right now I am trying to decide which machine to get to host all
this. I want there to be a software repository, that the user is
allowed to download from after purchasing the product. Sites like
Paypal and Google and Yahoo all seem to work on a basis of them
sending an invoice stating payment has occurred, and it would then be
up to someone in WV to respond. I want it to be automatic.

So I think that means we have to actually run the software store on
our hardware after all. And that then makes it more complicated.

Kevin

On Aug 3, 7:39 am, "K.S. Bhaskar" <ksbhas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One more link:http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/5-best-web-ecommerce-software-for-linu...

[OldMster]

Most of the sites i get software from that don't do this themselves
seem to use Digital River as the payment site. Don't know anything
about it, that is just an observation.
Mark

[Nancy Anthracite]

I don't think we would have to do that as I think an email can be
automatically sent with a link in it to the download site.

--
Nancy Anthracite

[Bhaskar, KS]

Some ramblings...

I don't know what you are trying to set up a store front for, but let me work with the hypothesis that some of what you are trying to sell may include licenses to proprietary goodies that require WorldVistA to track sales and minimize the spread of unlicensed copies. Here's how that can work. The process can all be automated by scripting, and is secure (all WorldVistA servers except a public download site are behind firewalls).

- Anyone purchasing must have a public/private key pair (e.g., generated by GNU Privacy Guard) with the public key uploaded to the public key servers (e.g., pgp.mit.edu - from where it will be distributed to the network of PKI servers).

- As part of filling out the purchase order, the buyer enters the fingerprint of his public key on the PKI servers.

- The purchase site generates an e-mail or other notification sent to a WorldVistA address.

- On receipt of the e-mail, a listener at that WorldVistA address (manual or automated, depending on volumes), retrieves the public key from the PKI servers using the fingerprint, creates a version of the distribution file for the proprietary goodies encrypted with the public key of the buyer, pushes this up to a public FTP site and e-mails the URL / file name (a randomly generated file name) to the buyer. This file is of no use to anyone but the buyer.

- The buyer downloads the file and uses his/her private key to decrypt the file.

Regards
-- Bhaskar

GT.M - Rock solid. Lightning fast. Secure. No compromises.

-----Original Message-----
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To: hard...@googlegroups.com
Cc: kdt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Hardhats] Re: Web store front advice needed

I don't think we would have to do that as I think an email can be
automatically sent with a link in it to the download site.

On Tuesday, August 03, 2010, kdt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Bhaskar,
>
> Thanks for keeping this thread going.
>
> Right now I am trying to decide which machine to get to host all
> this. I want there to be a software repository, that the user is
> allowed to download from after purchasing the product. Sites like
> Paypal and Google and Yahoo all seem to work on a basis of them
> sending an invoice stating payment has occurred, and it would then be
> up to someone in WV to respond. I want it to be automatic.
>
> So I think that means we have to actually run the software store on
> our hardware after all. And that then makes it more complicated.
>
> Kevin

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[kdt...@gmail.com]

Bhaskar,

I like this. But I am thinking about how I would do this as a buyer.
I am not sure that I know how to create a public key for myself. And
if I don't know, than I am sure that many others don't as well. Do
you think we could have a small application (for either linux or
windows) that would generate this for them? I know that the PuTTY set
has a way to generate keys. But then you have to store it to the hard
drive and go find it etc. It just seems more complicated than, for
example, buying from Amazon.

Kevin

>  winmail.dat
> 5KViewDownload

[K.S. Bhaskar]

It is certainly more complicated than buying from Amazon - but then
Amazon does not have to worry about an online buyer stealing a book
(paper or electronic). I presume WorldVistA will have responsibilities
to organizations such as the AMA to show due diligence in ensuring that
all CPT codes are properly licensed, paid for and accounted for.

Creating a public+private key pair is trivial. You can do it with GNU
Privacy Guard from the command line. You can do it in a script (see the
gen_keypair.sh script in the GT.M database encryption plugin reference
implementation). There are also GUI front-ends that will do it for you,
e.g.:

- GnuPG shell (http://www.tech-faq.com/gnupg-shell.html)
- GPA (http://gnupg.org/related_software/gpa/index.en.html)
- wija (http://www.media-art-online.org/wija/)

Yes, this is more complicated than purchasing a tome from an online
store. But then, setting up and configuring VistA is slightly more
complicated than installing an office suite. The expectation is that
someone who is able to install and configure VistA will have no problem
learning the few steps needed to use public+private keys.

Regards
-- Bhaskar

GT.M - Rock solid. Lightning fast. Secure. No compromises.

On 08/04/2010 08:11 AM, kdt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Bhaskar,
>
> I like this. But I am thinking about how I would do this as a buyer.
> I am not sure that I know how to create a public key for myself. And
> if I don't know, than I am sure that many others don't as well. Do
> you think we could have a small application (for either linux or
> windows) that would generate this for them? I know that the PuTTY set
> has a way to generate keys. But then you have to store it to the hard
> drive and go find it etc. It just seems more complicated than, for
> example, buying from Amazon.
>
> Kevin

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