Tablet XP handwriting recognition with CPRS?

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Tom Arnold

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Jun 20, 2008, 10:15:18 AM6/20/08
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I've been searching for information on using tablet PCs with CPRS. Has anyone on the list done that or do you know of a source of information about doing it? We have some docs who don't type well and I wonder if Windows XP Tablet Edition could reasonably be used with CPRS to allow them to handwrite into to free-text feels in CPRS.

Related question: has anyone used the Motion C5 tablet computer with its built-in barcode reader to do BCMA?
Thanks

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Ben Mehling

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Jun 20, 2008, 10:33:23 AM6/20/08
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On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Tom Arnold
<tar...@aspirebehavioral.com> wrote:
> We have some docs who don't type well and I wonder if Windows XP
> Tablet Edition could reasonably be used with CPRS to allow them to handwrite
> into to free-text feels in CPRS.

My personal opinion is that the handwriting recognition (either in
free-form or character-by-character mode) is too frustrating and slow
for a doctor to use for clinical documentation. If you plan to roll
out tablets (C5 or otherwise), your templates should be as "checkbox"
and "menu" oriented as possible, you should recommend full clinical
documentation be done at a docking station, and you may want to
experiment with how to deal with the e-signatures when using a tablet.

> Related question: has anyone used the Motion C5 tablet computer with its
> built-in barcode reader to do BCMA?

Yes. My memory is that C5 barcoder requires you adjust some settings
to get it to read VistA-based barcodes. There is a text based config
file.

- Ben

Nancy Anthracite

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Jun 20, 2008, 10:44:11 AM6/20/08
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How about having them try Dragon Naturally Speaking? They will need to train
it carefully, but they can dictate their notes.


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Joseph Dal Molin

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Jun 20, 2008, 11:07:46 AM6/20/08
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I quite by accident found out preparing for a talk at a conference a
couple of years ago that a Toshiba tablet running XP worked with
CPRS.... as does Dragon Dictate.

J

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David Kerrins

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Jun 20, 2008, 12:40:58 PM6/20/08
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Hardhats,

Tom Arnold wrote:
I've been searching for information on using tablet PCs with CPRS. Has
anyone on the list done that or do you know of a source of information
about doing it? We have some docs who don't type well and I wonder if
Windows XP Tablet Edition could reasonably be used with CPRS to allow
them to handwrite into to free-text feels in CPRS

There is a company, called TeraCare, that modified the "input" calls
in VistA to accept input from Tablet PC (actually, it think they used
the Mobile platform)... when I saw a demonstration of the product...
it was quite elegant and "usable".

Separately, I used a Fujitsu Tablet to see how MDs entered a standard
phrase... "the quick brown fox..." I found that about 25% of the MDs
could not produce writing that would convert to an acceptable "script
to text" conversion. I did my test about 2.5 years ago with about 50+
MDs. I expect that improvments in hardware and software might reduce
the number of "poor" conversions.


TeraCare can be contacted at:

E-mail: in...@teracare.com
Fax: 708-575-1859

http://208.69.176.189/index.htm

From their web-site:

TeraCare Clinical Management System (CMS)

Built on a Solid Foundation: CareShare is custom-configured for each
private physician office setting and it includes all needed features
from the highly acclaimed VistA EHR. Over the past 20 years VistA has
run about 1,300 sites (160 medical centers and 850 related clinics)
and currently serves over 5 million patients, 14,000 physicians,
36,000 registered nurses, and 4,700 pharmacists, and is proven to work
for all specialities.

High Availability Solution: TeraCare has engineered the CareShare
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responsive deployment. This innovation enables a clinic to care for
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physician to access the system from any location.

Easy to Use, Easy to Adopt: CareShare uses natural interfaces, like
pen and Voice, to capture documentation as a by-product of providing
care. Access to CareShare is facilitated by a custom device called
TeraCare's Physician Office Terminal (tPot). This is a unique tool
that physicians and nurses can use at the point-of-care. CareShare's
innovative combination of hardware and software, with supporting
online services, brings a solution that clinics can adopt within their
existing workflow and accustomed habits. Not relying on the
still-to-mature technology as many in the market have done, this
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see CareShare at work are confident that this is an EMR they can
finally adopt.

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Madan Bellam

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Jun 20, 2008, 1:38:44 PM6/20/08
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Hi,

I am the CEO of TeraCare and I saw this email just now and was excited
that someone out there cares about Pen enablement of CPRS. Thanks,
David, for sending this to the Hardhats group. This has been my life
passion for over two years now. We actually built special Windows
widgets for pen data entry and replaced text boxes, pull down boxes,
etc in Vista with our widgets. This enables the CPRS user to use a pen
in the application directly without using the Windows pen input
control panel. As the Pen Input Control Panel in windows is virtually
impossible to use effectively, this innovation from us makes a huge
difference while using CPRS on a Tablet PC. We also worked extensively
in the Template area so that we can allow ink input and pen enabled
widgets/controls in the templates. Users can now create templates with
pen enabled embeded controls and ink enabled boxes. The attached
document gives you an idea of some of the pen enabled features (not
able to attach files in this discussion group - email me at
ma...@teracare.com and I can email you the document). We have been
able to have doctors over 70 years old use this effectively on a
tablet PC. Medical Assistants who have little to no experience with
computers are able to use this with less than three hours of training.

Rgds,
Madan

Madan Bellam
CEO
__________________________

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On Jun 20, 9:40 am, "David Kerrins" <dkerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hardhats,
>
> Tom Arnold wrote:
>
>       I've been searching for information on using tablet PCs with CPRS. Has
>       anyone on the list done that or do you know of a source of information
>       about doing it? We have some docs who don't type well and I wonder if
>       Windows XP Tablet Edition could reasonably be used with CPRS to allow
>       them to handwrite into to free-text feels in CPRS
>
> There is a company, called TeraCare, that modified the "input" calls
> in VistA to accept input from Tablet PC (actually, it think they used
> the Mobile platform)...  when I saw a demonstration of the product...
> it was quite elegant and "usable".
>
> Separately, I used a Fujitsu Tablet to see how MDs entered a standard
> phrase... "the quick brown fox..."  I found that about 25% of the MDs
> could not produce writing that would convert to an acceptable "script
> to text" conversion.  I did my test about 2.5 years ago with about 50+
> MDs.  I expect that improvments in hardware and software might reduce
> the number of "poor" conversions.
>
> TeraCare can be contacted at:
>
> E-mail: i...@teracare.com
> On 6/20/08, Joseph Dal Molin <dalmo...@e-cology.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I quite by accident found out preparing for a talk at a conference a
> > couple of years ago that a Toshiba tablet running XP worked with
> > CPRS.... as does Dragon Dictate.
>
> > J
>
> > Tom Arnold wrote:
> > > I've been searching for information on using tablet PCs with CPRS. Has
> > > anyone on the list done that or do you know of a source of information
> > > about doing it? We have some docs who don't type well and I wonder if
> > > Windows XP Tablet Edition could reasonably be used with CPRS to allow
> > > them to handwrite into to free-text feels in CPRS.
>
> > > Related question: has anyone used the Motion C5 tablet computer with its
> > > built-in barcode reader to do BCMA?
> > > Thanks
>
> > > --
> > > Tom Arnold
> > > CIO - Aspire Behavioral Health, Inc.
> > > 10475 Park Meadows Drive, Suite 600
> > > Lone Tree, Co 80124
> > > Tel: (720) 514-9166 - Fax: (800) 525-4072 - Mobile: (303) 374-4230
> > >www.aspirebehavioralhealth.com<http://www.aspirebehavioralhealth.com>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tom Arnold

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Jun 20, 2008, 2:17:47 PM6/20/08
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Thanks to all for the responses. Sounds like there has been some testing  though perhaps nobody using text input routinely in an inpatient setting? I'm going to see if I can get a loaner for a while to test.

As for Dragon, yes, we've thought about it. We a startup and are hiring doctors as well as all other staff with the understanding that they can and will use the EHR so I'm trying first to avoid the $1000-$1300 per provider fee that Dragon wants. The appeal of the tablet is that I need some sort of mobile computer anyway at least for BCMA. If I could use a tablet with an integrated scanner that's less hardware to roll into the patient room and seems like it might be more ergonomic for the nurses -- the text part for entry of free text via stylus should work but is more of a side benefit, I think. If it didn't work at all that would probably be a show stopper, but if it was something where people could do the med pass with the tablet and then found that they prefer to do more extensive text entry with a keyboard, I would consider that ok.

The handheld bluetooth scanners seem to run $400 and up so the idea of built-in barcode scanner also justifies some of the higher cost of the tablets. But mainly it's got to work for the providers or saving money is pointless, of course.


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Tom Arnold
CIO - Aspire Behavioral Health, Inc.

Matt King

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Jun 20, 2008, 2:41:03 PM6/20/08
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We have one "older" physician that uses Dragon for his notes. He likes
it; we don't. (Because he uses too much free text and misses coding
bullets, etc.) I'm interested in the free text widgets, also.

On Jun 20, 11:17 am, "Tom Arnold" <tarn...@aspirebehavioral.com>
wrote:

Nancy Anthracite

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Jun 20, 2008, 11:36:12 PM6/20/08
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It does sound like a tablet might be helpful.

As an aside, I use Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred and built my own
vocabulary files instead of buying them from having it review my existing
documents, plus I have a medical spell checker files already that helps.
Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred is $100 a copy on sale that way, and it
is frequently on sale.

I would also think you may be able to find some less expensive bar code
scanners. Did you try ebay?

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Rob Townley

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Jun 22, 2008, 8:00:26 PM6/22/08
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Is there someway that these dictionaries be accessed over the LAN?

The TabletPC dictionary is a per local user text file, so updating this dictionary across all machines would be a headache.  They would add a few words / codes to the dictionary on one machine.  Later, add a different set of words on another machine.  Not easy to share among machines or users. 

Can Dragon store its dictionary on the LAN now?
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