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Hazael
Oct 6, 2016, 12:21:30 PM10/6/16
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Hi all,
Since I long time I don't visit the list.
I was very busy with personal affairs but for good.
I hope I am not violating any rules but I can't resist to share 100GB of cloud space for backups for free with you all.
The service is called Degoo (you can search on the web).
I am sharing this link with you so anyone interested will get an extra 3GB -and me also ;)
https://degoo.com/g/rcYKO0I
Please use the link to get the 3GB extra (for you and for me).
Best wishes!
Qatan
Since I long time I don't visit the list.
I was very busy with personal affairs but for good.
I hope I am not violating any rules but I can't resist to share 100GB of cloud space for backups for free with you all.
The service is called Degoo (you can search on the web).
I am sharing this link with you so anyone interested will get an extra 3GB -and me also ;)
https://degoo.com/g/rcYKO0I
Please use the link to get the 3GB extra (for you and for me).
Best wishes!
Qatan
Maurizio la Cecilia
Oct 6, 2016, 1:36:04 PM10/6/16
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Hum,
my antivirus signaled a trojan in the manager executable needed by the cloud.
I prefer to avoid the installation and I'm encouraging you to make the same.
Anyway, many thanks for the suggestion. It was much interesting to have 100GB available in the cloud.
Best regards.
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Hazael
Oct 6, 2016, 6:16:14 PM10/6/16
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Hi Maurizio,
Thanks for sharing what you found!
As a precaution I checked it as well as I could. I found that VIRUSTOTAL gave a score of 19 positives (that found it as a danger) against 56 negatives (that says it is safe).
On the negatives (safe) I found some renowned companies as: AVG, Avast, BitDefender, Comodo, Microsoft, Panda, Symantec, TrendMicro and Kaspersky!
On some of those antivirus that found it to be dangerous (positive) I found some interesting results:
ESET-NOD32 says it is an "Install Core - potentially unwanted"
Malwarebytes says it is "PUP.Optional Install Core"
Some others says "Adaware", "Downloader" and "Install Core"
I found only 2 that said: "Trojan" - (Dr.Web and Invincea)
My research went a bit further and I found that Degoo was using P2P technology (they were using hosting computers to save part of other user's data) and evidently many people complained about it.
Degoo has changed it recently and now they store the files on secure servers as f.e.: "Amazon" as you can read on their F.A.Q. page
By the way there are many questions answered on the Support page
As I could understand... the VirusTotal results (19 positive) could be because of the old P2P behavior... that seemed risky for some anti-virus programs. I hope that will change soon.
I am personally using the service and I am pretty happy with it. After all it is free and I didn't find it dangerous but of course I can't give any guarantee.
All I know is that it really works and I have 100+GB free to backup my stuff.
I prefer Degoo over GoogleDrive or OneDrive but I strongly suggest anyone to use it (or any cloud backup) as an EXTRA security for your files (never as the ONLY copy you have).
My goal is to have 600GB free to save all my files!
Before Degoo I had a problem that was way beyond my control and I almost lost all my files if it would not be for a couple of "lucky" circumstances... and I really started to look for extra backup alternatives.
I found also MEGA but it is very slow and gives only 50GB not to mention it is very possible to shutdown anytime (even the founder doesn't recommend to store files there...) - this may happen to any of those cloud services... so keep a double (or triple) copy of your files in different places. It won't hurt.
The best approach in my case is:
1) Have a local copy (another computer in the network with an extra HDD or a NAS) in both modes: Synchronization and daily backup (to keep the last 3-7 days)
2) Have one or 2 cloud services like Degoo (I found that 1 is OK but 2 or more consume too much bandwidth...) to keep the daily backup updated on the cloud
2) Have 2 external HDD (portable HDD) to save a copy of all every week (or every 2-4 weeks). One LOCAL and other at other address. Every 2-4 weeks I change then so I always have a monthly copy out of the LOCAL address in other safe place in case there is a LOCAL disaster.
Of course it is only one case. You can do whatever you need to keep your files safe but one thing I learned: DO SOMETHING because it is sad to loose all your files when you could have done something (even very simple) to keep a safe copy somewhere.
Degoo is just a handy and easy way to help with backup as long as it works, of course.
I hope it will help someone and... if you install it... use the provided link to give me some more 3GB!
Thank you!
Qatan
Thanks for sharing what you found!
As a precaution I checked it as well as I could. I found that VIRUSTOTAL gave a score of 19 positives (that found it as a danger) against 56 negatives (that says it is safe).
On the negatives (safe) I found some renowned companies as: AVG, Avast, BitDefender, Comodo, Microsoft, Panda, Symantec, TrendMicro and Kaspersky!
On some of those antivirus that found it to be dangerous (positive) I found some interesting results:
ESET-NOD32 says it is an "Install Core - potentially unwanted"
Malwarebytes says it is "PUP.Optional Install Core"
Some others says "Adaware", "Downloader" and "Install Core"
I found only 2 that said: "Trojan" - (Dr.Web and Invincea)
My research went a bit further and I found that Degoo was using P2P technology (they were using hosting computers to save part of other user's data) and evidently many people complained about it.
Degoo has changed it recently and now they store the files on secure servers as f.e.: "Amazon" as you can read on their F.A.Q. page
By the way there are many questions answered on the Support page
As I could understand... the VirusTotal results (19 positive) could be because of the old P2P behavior... that seemed risky for some anti-virus programs. I hope that will change soon.
I am personally using the service and I am pretty happy with it. After all it is free and I didn't find it dangerous but of course I can't give any guarantee.
All I know is that it really works and I have 100+GB free to backup my stuff.
I prefer Degoo over GoogleDrive or OneDrive but I strongly suggest anyone to use it (or any cloud backup) as an EXTRA security for your files (never as the ONLY copy you have).
My goal is to have 600GB free to save all my files!
Before Degoo I had a problem that was way beyond my control and I almost lost all my files if it would not be for a couple of "lucky" circumstances... and I really started to look for extra backup alternatives.
I found also MEGA but it is very slow and gives only 50GB not to mention it is very possible to shutdown anytime (even the founder doesn't recommend to store files there...) - this may happen to any of those cloud services... so keep a double (or triple) copy of your files in different places. It won't hurt.
The best approach in my case is:
1) Have a local copy (another computer in the network with an extra HDD or a NAS) in both modes: Synchronization and daily backup (to keep the last 3-7 days)
2) Have one or 2 cloud services like Degoo (I found that 1 is OK but 2 or more consume too much bandwidth...) to keep the daily backup updated on the cloud
2) Have 2 external HDD (portable HDD) to save a copy of all every week (or every 2-4 weeks). One LOCAL and other at other address. Every 2-4 weeks I change then so I always have a monthly copy out of the LOCAL address in other safe place in case there is a LOCAL disaster.
Of course it is only one case. You can do whatever you need to keep your files safe but one thing I learned: DO SOMETHING because it is sad to loose all your files when you could have done something (even very simple) to keep a safe copy somewhere.
Degoo is just a handy and easy way to help with backup as long as it works, of course.
I hope it will help someone and... if you install it... use the provided link to give me some more 3GB!
Thank you!
Qatan
Maurizio la Cecilia
Oct 7, 2016, 3:36:23 AM10/7/16
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Hi Qatan,
your deep view about the antivirus alert is much useful and I decided to try Degoo starting it from a virtualization before to take a definitive choice.
Sincerely I prefer to consume cloud services for sharing and retrieving data wherever they are needed, not to store my sensitive data.
My system and data backups are stored on multiple local owned external drives to be sure of security and speed, both in storing and recovering.
Thanks again for your suggestions about Degoo.
Best regards.
--
Maurizio
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Hazael
Oct 7, 2016, 6:40:50 AM10/7/16
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Hi Maurizio,
Degoo isn't the only service around but it definitely gives the biggest space for free.
In your case I would recommend trying pCloud because of the syncing, sharing, virtual drive and media streaming features...
Sync is another very good option (maybe the best alternative to Dropbox)
For backups I really like iDrive. Seems the most interesting and cost effective way of backup easily in the cloud. It has also the iDrive One (up to 2TB local HDD with wireless connection)
Here are some (all the provided links will grant me some extra space... so please use them if you want to get the service):
- OneDrive (Microsoft)
- Dropbox (traditional...)
- Sync (pretty the same as Dropbox but seems more secure)
- iDrive (really interesting for backup with iDrive One - good service and low cost)
- Degoo (103GB free space for backup only)
- pCloud (pretty nice with sync, sharing, virtual drive and streaming)
Qatan
Klas Engwall
Oct 7, 2016, 6:49:50 AM10/7/16
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Hi guys,
Although Degoo is a Swedish company with offices in Stockholm, their
datacenter for the western world is located in the USA. And they also
use a combination of Amazon S3 and Google Cloud Storage.
Although they claim to encrypt everything, *they* control the encryption
keys, not the user. So it looks like the data is safe from most everyone
except the NSA :-(
Also, I would be very careful about trusting my backup data with a
startup that has an income statement that looks like this:
http://www.allabolag.se/5568860729/bokslut
Like Maurizio said, use it for sharing and retrieving, but not for
critical backups or sensitive data.
Regards,
Klas
Den 2016-10-07 kl. 09:36, skrev Maurizio la Cecilia:
> Hi Qatan,
> your deep view about the antivirus alert is much useful and I decided to
> try Degoo starting it from a virtualization before to take a definitive
> choice.
> Sincerely I prefer to consume cloud services for sharing and retrieving
> data wherever they are needed, not to store my sensitive data.
> My system and data backups are stored on multiple local owned external
> drives to be sure of security and speed, both in storing and recovering.
> Thanks again for your suggestions about Degoo.
> Best regards.
> --
> Maurizio
>
>
> Il 07/ott/2016 00:16, "Hazael" <wanst...@gmail.com
> <mailto:wanst...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
> provided link <https://degoo.com/g/rcYKO0I> to give me some more 3GB!
> <mailto:harbour-users%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
> Web: http://groups.google.com/group/harbour-users
> <mailto:harbour-user...@googlegroups.com>.
> <mailto:harbour-user...@googlegroups.com>.
Although Degoo is a Swedish company with offices in Stockholm, their
datacenter for the western world is located in the USA. And they also
use a combination of Amazon S3 and Google Cloud Storage.
Although they claim to encrypt everything, *they* control the encryption
keys, not the user. So it looks like the data is safe from most everyone
except the NSA :-(
Also, I would be very careful about trusting my backup data with a
startup that has an income statement that looks like this:
http://www.allabolag.se/5568860729/bokslut
Like Maurizio said, use it for sharing and retrieving, but not for
critical backups or sensitive data.
Regards,
Klas
Den 2016-10-07 kl. 09:36, skrev Maurizio la Cecilia:
> Hi Qatan,
> your deep view about the antivirus alert is much useful and I decided to
> try Degoo starting it from a virtualization before to take a definitive
> choice.
> Sincerely I prefer to consume cloud services for sharing and retrieving
> data wherever they are needed, not to store my sensitive data.
> My system and data backups are stored on multiple local owned external
> drives to be sure of security and speed, both in storing and recovering.
> Thanks again for your suggestions about Degoo.
> Best regards.
> --
> Maurizio
>
>
> Il 07/ott/2016 00:16, "Hazael" <wanst...@gmail.com
>
> Hi Maurizio,
>
> Thanks for sharing what you found!
>
> As a precaution I checked it as well as I could. I found that
> VIRUSTOTAL gave a score of 19 positives (that found it as a danger)
> against 56 negatives (that says it is safe).
>
> On the negatives (_safe_) I found some renowned companies as: *AVG,
> Hi Maurizio,
>
> Thanks for sharing what you found!
>
> As a precaution I checked it as well as I could. I found that
> VIRUSTOTAL gave a score of 19 positives (that found it as a danger)
> against 56 negatives (that says it is safe).
>
> Avast, BitDefender, Comodo, Microsoft, Panda, Symantec, TrendMicro
> and Kaspersky*!
>
>
> On some of those antivirus that found it to be dangerous
> (_positive_) I found some interesting results:
>
> On some of those antivirus that found it to be dangerous
>
> ESET-NOD32 says it is an "Install Core - potentially unwanted"
> Malwarebytes says it is "PUP.Optional Install Core"
> Some others says "Adaware", "Downloader" and "Install Core"
>
> I found only 2 that said: "Trojan" - (Dr.Web and Invincea)
>
> My research went a bit further and I found that Degoo was using P2P
> technology (they were using hosting computers to save part of other
> user's data) and evidently many people complained about it.
> Degoo has changed it recently and now they store the files on secure
> servers as f.e.: "Amazon" as you can read on theirF.A.Q. page
> <http://support.degoo.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2081407-does-degoo-use-p2p-storage->
> ESET-NOD32 says it is an "Install Core - potentially unwanted"
> Malwarebytes says it is "PUP.Optional Install Core"
> Some others says "Adaware", "Downloader" and "Install Core"
>
> I found only 2 that said: "Trojan" - (Dr.Web and Invincea)
>
> My research went a bit further and I found that Degoo was using P2P
> technology (they were using hosting computers to save part of other
> user's data) and evidently many people complained about it.
> Degoo has changed it recently and now they store the files on secure
> servers as f.e.: "Amazon" as you can read on theirF.A.Q. page
>
> By the way there are many questions answered on the Support page
> <http://support.degoo.com/>
> By the way there are many questions answered on the Support page
>
> As I could understand... the VirusTotal results (19 positive) could
> be because of the old P2P behavior... that seemed risky for some
> anti-virus programs. I hope that will change soon.
>
> I am personally using the service and I am pretty happy with it.
> After all it is free and I didn't find it dangerous but of course I
> can't give any guarantee.
>
> All I know is that it really works and I have 100+GB free to backup
> my stuff.
> I prefer Degoo over GoogleDrive or OneDrive
> <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2456807,00.asp> but I strongly
> As I could understand... the VirusTotal results (19 positive) could
> be because of the old P2P behavior... that seemed risky for some
> anti-virus programs. I hope that will change soon.
>
> I am personally using the service and I am pretty happy with it.
> After all it is free and I didn't find it dangerous but of course I
> can't give any guarantee.
>
> All I know is that it really works and I have 100+GB free to backup
> my stuff.
> I prefer Degoo over GoogleDrive or OneDrive
> suggest anyone to use it (or any cloud backup
> <http://www.cio.com/article/2370923/cloud-computing/dirty-secrets-of-dropbox--google-drive-and-other-cloud-storage-services.html>)
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> Qatan
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 7:36:04 PM UTC+2, Maurizio la
> Cecilia wrote:
>
> Hum,
> my antivirus signaled a trojan in the manager executable
> needed by the cloud.
> I prefer to avoid the installation and I'm encouraging you
> to make the same.
> Anyway, many thanks for the suggestion. It was much
> interesting to have 100GB available in the cloud.
> Best regards.
> --
> Maurizio
>
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> Thank you!
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>
> Qatan
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 7:36:04 PM UTC+2, Maurizio la
> Cecilia wrote:
>
> Hum,
> my antivirus signaled a trojan in the manager executable
> needed by the cloud.
> I prefer to avoid the installation and I'm encouraging you
> to make the same.
> Anyway, many thanks for the suggestion. It was much
> interesting to have 100GB available in the cloud.
> Best regards.
> --
> Maurizio
>
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Hazael
Oct 9, 2016, 4:38:07 PM10/9/16
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Hi Klas,
Nice you showed up with the information about the company.
It is always helpful to know those details.
I get a bit confused with information in the web.
Can you please check this?
Thank you!
Qatan
Nice you showed up with the information about the company.
It is always helpful to know those details.
I get a bit confused with information in the web.
Can you please check this?
Thank you!
Qatan
Klas Engwall
Oct 9, 2016, 6:59:36 PM10/9/16
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Hi Qatan,
> Nice you showed up with the information about the company.
> It is always helpful to know those details.
> I get a bit confused with information in the web.
> Can you please check this
> <http://www.breakit.se/artikel/1163/degoo-nar-en-miljon-anvandare-med-svensk-dropbox-utmanare>?
OK, what do you want me to check? That post was from August 2015, some
50 days after the closing date of the 2014/2015 fiscal year, the year
that the annual report at allabolag.se was based on.
Apparently they have investors who provided them with capital that year.
We know nothing yet about the year after that, though.
They look like they want to be the next Dropbox, but how long is 2.5
million SEK (~260,000 EUR) going to last when half of it was lost the
same year? Are the investors prepared to cough up additional funding?
So, in case they will run out of money in the near future, be very
careful and have a backup of the backup you put at their site :-)
The other circumstance I raised, about storing data on servers located
in the USA, is of course the same problem as with any other US based
cloud provider even though the two guys running this company are sitting
in Stockholm (The NSA, secret courts with secret gag orders etc, etc).
The article at breakit.se talks about the 2015 funding, about now (still
2015, remember) having a million users, about expecting the money to
"roll in now" (right after the year that ended in just about zero
revenue) following the launch of their new commercial service, and about
compression algorithms and automatic sync.
Anything else you want to know? :-)
Did you try to run the text through Google translate? It is actually
pretty good these days. The result is only slightly crazy, at least if
you translate into English :-)
Regards,
Klas
> Nice you showed up with the information about the company.
> It is always helpful to know those details.
> I get a bit confused with information in the web.
> Can you please check this
OK, what do you want me to check? That post was from August 2015, some
50 days after the closing date of the 2014/2015 fiscal year, the year
that the annual report at allabolag.se was based on.
Apparently they have investors who provided them with capital that year.
We know nothing yet about the year after that, though.
They look like they want to be the next Dropbox, but how long is 2.5
million SEK (~260,000 EUR) going to last when half of it was lost the
same year? Are the investors prepared to cough up additional funding?
So, in case they will run out of money in the near future, be very
careful and have a backup of the backup you put at their site :-)
The other circumstance I raised, about storing data on servers located
in the USA, is of course the same problem as with any other US based
cloud provider even though the two guys running this company are sitting
in Stockholm (The NSA, secret courts with secret gag orders etc, etc).
The article at breakit.se talks about the 2015 funding, about now (still
2015, remember) having a million users, about expecting the money to
"roll in now" (right after the year that ended in just about zero
revenue) following the launch of their new commercial service, and about
compression algorithms and automatic sync.
Anything else you want to know? :-)
Did you try to run the text through Google translate? It is actually
pretty good these days. The result is only slightly crazy, at least if
you translate into English :-)
Regards,
Klas
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