Peter Hanslow Welcome Wall

[judy C]

Hi All
 
I have just heard from my son that the unveiling of the name of Peter Hanslow will take place at the Australian Maritime Museum  on Sunday 2 May at 11 am.
 
His name will be on Panel 57; Column 1; Line 070.
 
I hope to be there.
 
Judith

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[Grahame Hepper]

Hi Judith,

 

I am very new to this forum my name is Grahame Hepper (Berry NSW Auz) I am writing on behalf of my wife Jenny (formerly Janette Mary Hanslow) part of Peter's brothers tree, Benjamin James.

 

Can you please tell me the significance of the unveiling of Peter's name at the AMM, which I assume is the one at Darling Harbour in Sydney.

 

Regards

 

Grahame

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[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Grahame,

I am also descended from Benjamin.
He was the ex-convict, blacksmith, died Surry Hills 1857.
My line is through his offspring Joseph Hanslow who married
Mary Jane Taylor, then Sarah Charlotte Hanslow married to
Alfred Golding, then Thelma Golding married to Joshua John
Davis, of Gulgong NSW.
My great aunt Ethel told me Joseph had moved out to the
Gulgong area as he was a baker in Sydney, and had lung problems.
Wondered if you would have any Hanslow photos at all, of your wife's line?
One of Benjamin perhaps or his children, grandchildren?
I find there is a lot about Peter and his line on the net, but not about
Benjamin's descendants.
 
Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[Wendy O'Brien Freeman]

Hi Susan

 

I am also descended from Benjamin through his daughter Rebecca who married William Drane. Their son, also William married Mary O'Loughlin and my mother was Iris Drane. I have photos of my grandfather who was Benjamin's grandson.

 

Likewise I also find there is not as much information available about Benjamin.

 

Regards

Wendy O'Brien 

[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Wendy,

Glad to hear from you.
What I meant to write was that I haven't been able to make contact with many
descendants of Benjamin Hanslow via the net, but have found many
of Peter's.They have been very generous sharing info and photos.
There are a lot of documents re Benjamin on the Hanslow group site
now I notice, and I am very grateful to the contributers. I did have a number of
the documents already, but it is great for anyone just starting to search.
Will write to you at your email address,

Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[judy C]

Hi All
The web site for the Welcome Wall is
http://www.anmm.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=1253
This is their blurb!
'In one of history's great migrations, more than six million people have crossed the world to settle in Australia.
Was your family among them?
We invite you to record a name on the Welcome Wall at the Australian National Maritime Museum. The Welcome Wall honours our immigrants, however they travelled, wherever they landed and wherever they live today. It costs just $105 to inscribe your name in bronze on the Welcome Wall. This includes a personal 50-word record of your family's story on the Welcome Wall website, where friends and family across the world can see it. Commemorate your friends or family who made the break to Australia!'
 
So I guess we are just celebrating and recognising the number of people who migrated to Australia and in the first years all by sea.
The wall is at Darling Harbour and I think most impressive.
 
You might find more ancestors there. I think Richard Porter is there.
 
Yes! Peter got a lot more 'press' that Benjamin James - not sure why. Benjamin did well running a grocer shop in Crown Street and also owned a bit of property. Did anyone ever get a copy of his will? That would be interesting to see what exactly he had. Also did anyone ever find the death of his wife - I thought that was missing from the tree and it might be mentioned in the will if she were still alive or not.
 
Good to hear from you all
 
Judith
 

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From: wfree...@optusnet.com.au
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Subject: Re: Peter Hanslow Welcome Wall

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:06:24 +1100

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[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Judith,

Very interesting. Thanks for that- re the Welcome Wall, and about Benjamin running
a grocery shop. If you know the number in Crown Street, I may be able to take
a photo of the building sometime, if it's still there?

Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[judy C]

Hi Susan
 
I found this website
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/AboutSydney/HistoryAndArchives/Archives/ServicesForResearchers/AssessmentBooks00.asphttp://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/AboutSydney/HistoryAndArchives/Archives/ServicesForResearchers/AssessmentBooks00.asphttp://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/AboutSydney/HistoryAndArchives/Archives/ServicesForResearchers/AssessmentBooks00.asp
 it is a listing of owners and occupiers and annual rental values.
I found Ben mentioned a couple of times in the Ward of Cook. Peter is there also. They might also have had property in another ward.
If I am reading  correctly.
1845 Ben owned 2 houses in Crown Street and lived in one.
Ben owned a blacksmith shop in 1848 in the ward of Cook.
Later Ben owned 2 houses in Albert Place ( sorry but Peter owned 4!)
Ben owned 3 Houses in Crown street.
 
Haven't looked them up completely - you might like to pursue that.
 
Catch you later
 
Judith
 

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:32:50 +1100

Subject: Re: Peter Hanslow Welcome Wall

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[Susan Lamberton]

I  Judith,
Thanks.
I couldn't find the references to occupiers, owners etc for Ben and Peter on that
site. I did find some correspondence from Hanslows to the council.

*a letter dated 24 August 1883 from J.G. Hanslow, Campbell Street,
Paddington. Complaint concerning rates on three of his properties in Chippen and
Cleveland Streets.

*A report with start date 9 November 1853
"Report of the Hackney Carriage Committee granting licenses to: Proprietors: Richard Contron, Thomas Farrell, Charles Lusk, Richard HANSLOW, f. Timmins, Chas Lusk, T. Shaughnessy, Sarah White: Drivers:John Lunnard, Saml Blott, Henry Travers, George Withington, Jas Cronan.

*Letter dated 29 October 1859 "Petition for repair of Crown Street. James Williamson, J.P. Reuben Uther, John Hillyer, J.Moore Dillon, J.H. Miller. B. Hanslow......"

*Letter dated 28 January 1856 "Petition to have stand for Newtown buses at
Circular Quay, J. Howard; Robert French; Charles Hale; George Bird; Richard
HANSLOW......"

* 28 Jan 1856 "Petition: J. Howard, Robert French, Charles Hale, George Binet,
Richard Hanslow et al. Petitioning that a stand for the Newtown Omnibus be made at or near
Quircular Quay to proceed up Pitt Street. Inspector of Hackney Carriages response to petitions 65, 68 and 69 are filed with 68 and 69."
 
Thought these might be of interest.
Available on City of Sydney Archives site.

Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[judy C]

Hi Susan
 
I just stumbled on the site one time when I googled Peter Hanslow but sometimes it doesn't come up!!! 
 
If you google 'Cook ward master spreadsheet' you will hopefully get a site which has the assessment books 1845 to 1948. In the City of Sydney site. this will be a list of years and wards. Within the wards is the list of address and people who rented and owned.
 
It takes a while to find what you are looking for because you need to know which 'ward' they had property in. Peter seemed to have property in 'Cook' ward and 'Brisbane' ward but might have had property in other wards. The edit search works for name. Benjamin had property in 'Cook'. He also might have had property elsewhere.
 
Let's know if this works or if it doesn't. 
 
Judith
 
 

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:47:25 +1100

[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Judith,

I found it, somehow! Went searching through the archives on the City of Sydney site.
Thanks for letting me know about it. Was very interesting. I did tire of looking for them
in different wards though after a while. But came up with these:-

Cook Ward 1845.
4 Hanslow's Lane, vacant, owner Peter Hanslow, dwelling wood and shingle.
5 Hanslow's Lane, occupied by Samuel...Perth Paton (?) owner Peter Hanslow,
wood dwelling and shingle.
6 Hanslow's Lane, occupied by James King, owner Peter Hanslow, brick and shingle 12x32 ground.

11 Crown Street, Surrey Hills, Benjamin Hanslow owner/occupier, brick dwelling, shingle.
12 Crown Street, Surrey Hills, occupier Samuel Stephenson owner Benjamin Hanslow, butcher's shop, brick and shingle.
13 Crown Street Surry Hills, Benjamin Hanslow, occupier, owner, shop, brick
and shingle.

Cook Ward 1848
335 Crown Street, occupied John Dalton, owner Benjamin Hanslow, shop,
brick, shingle, detached stable.
336 Crown Street...Reardon, owner Benjamin Hanslow, house, brick, shingle.
337 Crown Street, Benjamin Hanslow, owner occupier, house, brick, shingle.
338 Crown Street, Wm. G. Barker, occupier, Benjamin Hanslow, owner, house,
wood, shingle, attached kitchen.
339 Crown Street, James McLean occupier, Benjamin Hanslow owner, house, shingle,
attached kitchen.
340 Crown Street, Empty, Peter Hanslow, house --shingle.
341 Crown Street, empty, D (or O?) Hanslow, house, shingle.
342 Crown Street, D. Hanslow, house, shingle.
343 Crown Street, Edward Cannon, D. Hanslow, house, shingle.
413 Cross (?) Street, empty, Peter Hanslow, house, slate, shingle, detached kitchen.
414 Cross Street, Benjamin Hanslow, owner occupier, blacksmith's
shop, slate shingle.
415 Cross Street, ....Duggin, Peter Hanslow owner, house, slate, shingle,
kitchen, coachhouse and stable.

Cook Ward 1852
Assessment Books, occupiers, owners, rates paid etc.
286 Albert Place, George Dixon, owner Benjamin Hanslow, house wood/shingle.
287 Albert Place, empty, Benjamin Hanslow, house, wood, shingles.
288 Albert Place, Edward Cooney (?) occupier, Peter Hanslow owner, house,
wood, shingled.
289 occupied Thomas Jones, owner Peter Hanslow, house, wood, shingled.
290 occupier William Chapman, owner Peter Hanslow, house, wood, shingled.
291 Albert Place, Jeremiah O'Brien, Peter Hanslow, house brick/ shingled.

All the best,
Susan, in
NSW.

[judy C]

Hi Susan
 
It wasn't easy and thanks for giving us all the information.
So you have Benjamin living at 11 Crown Street 1845 and having a shop next door.
In 1848 Benjamin is living at 337 Crown and has a blacksmith's shop at 414 Cross Street.
The brothers were certainly men of property.
 
Thanks for that
 
Judith
 
 

 

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:52:31 +1100
Subject: Re: Peter and Benjamin Hanslow property

[Grahame Hepper]

Hi Susan,

 

The information on the property ownership is great. I was told that Peter had at least 12 properties and one pub when he died, they were in his will.

 

He and Benjamin owned pubs, each in their own right, together or with one of Peter's sons, Richard I think. One pub was called the "Dog & Duck", another the "Horse  and Jockey" in Pitt Street, another the "Great Southern" in George Street down near the Quay. I thought there was one more. I did glean this information from an archive at the Gosford heritage centre many years ago, it was something to do with Publican licences, one was dated 1856, this was only a year before Benjamin died.

 

I also understand Peter applied for 10 acres at Lane Cove and again some one mentioned to me either Peter or Benjamin had an orchard at Ryde. Albeit this information has not been substantiated, all word of mouth from family.

 

I assume you are aware Benjamin is now buried in Botany Cemetery in a grave with another Hanslow. He was originally buried in the grounds of the Wesleyan Church in George Street, near what is now Central Square and was subsequently moved to Botany and reburied with another Hanslow, who's christen name escapes me and I cannot locate my original notes. 

As Jenny's (born Gulgong) part of the tree, father Neville Baxter (born Goolma outside Gulgong), GF Benjamin James (born Ryde)1869 -1959, GGF Joseph Thomas born Surrey Hills, his bakery at Gulgong was said to appear on the back of the original $10 note. 

 

Photos are few and held mostly by Jenny's brother Terrence Neville born Gulgong 1940. Their dad died suddenly resulting in lots of photos, but no names to go with them.

 

Thanks to Wendy and Mervyn I would not have known about the web site and been able to participate on behalf of my wife. Mervyn also helped me with information on my tree which had eluded me for sometime.

 

Please forgive me if I am going over old ground, but being new to this forum I have not had the privilege to participate before and am not sure who knows what.,..

 

Regards

 

Grahame & Jenny Hepper BERRY NSW

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From: Susan Lamberton

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:52 PM

Subject: Re: Peter and Benjamin Hanslow property

[Grahame Hepper]

Hi Susan,

 

Found my old notes, the name of the other pub was the "Royal  Forester Inn"  this was said to be in BJ's son's name, this is where BJ's funeral procession started. The address was said to be 41 High Holbourn Street Surry Hills. The undertaker was Peter's son Richard.

 

Also found a note to say BJ's headstone was also transferred to Botany.

 

Photos are virtually none existent so my BIL tells me. The 1954 Dubbo floods took care of that. GF Benjamin James lived in Cobra Street Dubbo and the water level reach 158cm in the house and all the photos were lost. Jenny's dad's family were not very close so not much has been shared over the years. 

 

Will keep in touch

 

Regards

 

Grahame Hepper

 

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From: Susan Lamberton

To: hanslow...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:52 PM

Subject: Re: Peter and Benjamin Hanslow property

[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Judith,

You're welcome.
Yes, I didn't think Benjamin had as much property as Peter at all, but
from this it seems he did own amongst others, a butcher shop, blacksmith's shop, grocery
shop and houses. He also had hotels didn't he? The Royal Forrester, for
one? Wonder what Benjamin left, and to whom?
I am descended from his son, Joseph Thomas Hanslow, a baker, of Surrey Hills.
He and wife Mary Jane nee Taylor, moved to Central West NSW, Goolma I think, onto a property.
His daughter, Sarah Charlotte Hanslow, went to "finishing school" in Sydney, according
to my great aunt Ethel, her daughter, who died last year at age 99.
Sarah Charlotte married Alfred Golding and they lived on their property "Wattle Flat" and her daughter, my grandmother, Thelma, married the young farmer next door Joshua Davis of "Wattle Dale."
Aunt Ethel said Sarah Charlotte travelled with her children most years to Sydney to visit their many cousins, aunts and uncles. She said some lived at Ryde.
Yes, I would like to see a copy of Benjamin's will too, if anyone has one?

Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

 

[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Grahame,

Thankyou for your emails, and the information. Sorry I only just read them.
Your wife and I are from the same family line it seems, from Benjamin Hanslow, convict, then son Joseph Thomas Hanslow, then her line is through their son Benjamin and mine is through their daughter Sarah Charlotte Hanslow.
Can you tell me please Grahame who was Benjamin's jnrs wife? I may have a photo of them if it is the right ones.
I can try to send a photo of Sarah Charlotte Hanslow, who married Alfred Golding.
Looking forward to your reply,

Regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[judy C]

Hi Susan
 
Just googling tonight nla Australian Newspapers and found the death of Catherine Hanslow, wife of the late Benjamin Hanslow of Surry Hills ,Sydney, age 57 ( a couple of years out I think) 23 October 1865. I can't find it in NSW BDM but then everything isn't there. I thought this piece of information was missing in the tree but perhaps someone else had already found it.
 
Thank you for the information about how you are related to Benjamin.
 
I think it was his son Benjamin who had the Royal Forester.
 
In the book 'No memorial; a family history' Dan Hunt mentions that in 1844 Peter and Benjamin were joint landlords of a hotel at Albert Place, Surry Hills. In 1847 Benjamin struck out on his own and set up in business as a grocer in Crown Street, Surry Hills.
 
I don't know if anyone has a copy of Benjamin's will. It is available from NSW records - perhaps the archive section.
 
Regards
 
Judith
 

 

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:53:54 +1100

[Susan Lamberton]

Hi Judith,

Thankyou for finding the death notice for Catherine Hanslow.
I had been asked did I know what happened to her, as though there was
something amiss and she had just disappeared. Now we know it was
announced in the newspaper- and was not so mysterious.
Did it state anything else about her, how she died, or the funeral arrangements?
Peter's son Richard had a lucrative business too didn't he, as funeral director.
Peter arrived in the colony as convict first didn't he then Benjamin, and he stayed with
Peter before marrying Catherine Richardson?
Peter and Benjamin were both blacksmiths?
Catherine was the daughter of Elizabeth Celey, convict who arrived on Brittania in
about 1798, and Robert Richardson. There is an Elizabeth Celey Descendents Foundation site on the net which has photos of Elizabeth etc and info.

Kind regards,
Susan, in
NSW.

[Wendy O'Brien Freeman]

Hi Everyone

 

I just caught up on all these messages today. Great information everyone is finding out about property ownership. The brothers certainly did well in the colony and Benjamin was more prosperous than I had previously thought.

 

I am a descendant of Benjamin & Catherine's daughter, Rebecca who married William Drane. Their son, also William Drane was my grandfather. Both William Drane's were agents at the Sydney Fruit & Vegetable markets. Is anyone else from Rebecca's line?

 

I found Catherine (Richardson) Hanslow's  death a couple of months ago and posted  the information on ancestry.com from where I was contacted by a member of this group which previously I didn't know existed. I look forward to learning more about the Hanslows.

 

Regards
Wendy

[judy C]

Hi Susan
 
No other information about the death of Catherine in the newpaper site on the internet. I found the notice in the paper 16 November and 21 November.  If you looked at papers about that time there might have been more written - but perhaps not.
 
Yes Peter came out first and I have read that he stayed with Peter at one time. Peter would have received his certificate of freedom about the time Benjamin came out. I think that Benjamin married Catherine while still a convict so was 'assigned' to her.
 
Peter was a blacksmith and gunsmith. Benjamin was a blacksmith but I do not know if he had also trained as a gunsmith.
 
Regards
 
Judith

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:11:59 +1100