Ring of Fire 2001 DVD

[Kevin McChesney]

Hello!

I’m trying to track down a copy of the DVD Ring of Fire 2001. 

I probably loaned it out and didn’t get it back. It’s not available through Jeffers or Heinz anymore. 

I want to get this for a conducting student who is making great strides, Samantha Beschta. She is at a stage where she would thrive on studying the advanced repertoire and the visual style that Ring of Fire offered. 

Jason Wells and I did the audio commentary. So if I find more than one copy, I’d enjoy having this in my library again as well. 

I am VERY happy to pay properly for this and the shipping and so on. 

Please contact me privately at handbell...@gmail.com

Thank you! 

Kevin McChesney 

[J.-C. Coolen]

Hi, Kevin.

Did you ever get a copy of this DVD?

I have a copy--I'd like to keep it, but I could try to copy and upload it for you, if you still need it...just let me know!

J.-C. Coolen
Greater Toronto Area

At 09:12 AM 2024-05-08 -0600, you wrote:

Hello!

I’m trying to track down a copy of the DVD Ring of Fire 2001.Â

I probably loaned it out and didn’t get it back. It’s not available through Jeffers or Heinz anymore.Â

I want to get this for a conducting student who is making great strides, Samantha Beschta. She is at a stage where she would thrive on studying the advanced repertoire and the visual style that Ring of Fire offered.Â

Jason Wells and I did the audio commentary. So if I find more than one copy, I’d enjoy having this in my library again as well.Â

I am VERY happy to pay properly for this and the shipping and so on.Â

Please contact me privately at handbell...@gmail.com

Thank you!Â
Kevin McChesneyÂ

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[J.-C. Coolen]

Ugh! Sorry! A Rudy...meant to email this to Kevin directly...

jc

[THOMAS SIMPSON]

Make a copy and upload it? 

Ummm. Hmmmmm. That’s a no-no isn’t it? 

Thomas 

On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:14 PM, J.-C. Coolen <jcco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

 Ugh! Sorry! A Rudy...meant to email this to Kevin directly...

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[J.-C. Coolen]

Double ugh! This is not a good day--mea culpa! (And I'm usually very fastidious in copyright matters... :-() Thanks, Thomas!

I was thinking of copying only if the DVD is no longer available, from any retail source...

If that were the case, I'd try contacting Jason Wells and/or Tualatin Valley Academy directly, to track down the current copyright holder of the RoF DVD, to request permission for copying.

https://nwadventists.com/news/2024/01/ring-fire-alum-leads-student-handbell-program

But, also: I'm not up on US copyright law, but doesn't it include an educational use exemption? Kevin mentioned he was looking for the DVD for the use of his conducting student, in her training...

jc

At 08:17 PM 2024-07-15 +0200, 'THOMAS SIMPSON' via Handbell-l wrote:

Make a copy and upload it?

Ummm. Hmmmmm. That’s a no-no isn’t it?




Thomas

On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:14 PM, J.-C. Coolen <jcco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

 Ugh! Sorry! A Rudy...meant to email this to Kevin directly...

jc

At 01:08 PM 2024-07-15 -0400, J.-C. Coolen wrote:

Hi, Kevin.

Did you ever get a copy of this DVD?

I have a copy--I'd like to keep it, but I could try to copy and upload it for you, if you still need it...just let me know!

J.-C. Coolen
Greater Toronto Area

At 09:12 AM 2024-05-08 -0600, you wrote:

Hello!

I’m trying to track down a copy of the DVD Ring of Ff Fire 2001.Â

I probably loaned it out and didn’t get it back. It It’s not available e through Jeffers or Heinz anymore.Â

I want to get this for a conducting student who is making great strides, Samantha Beschta. She is at a stage where she would thrive on studying the advanced repertoire and the visual style that Ring of Fire offered.Â

Jason Wells and I did the audio commentary. So if I find more than one copy, I’d enjoy having this in my library again as ws well.Â

I am VERY happy to pay properly for this and the shipping and so on.Â

Please contact me privately at handbell...@gmail.com

Thank you!Â
Kevin McChesneyÂ

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[Nick Bax]

J.-C.,

This is one of those situations where I’m betting the law is unclear. What is an “educational use”, its one of those things lawyers argue about, since the case law probably isn’t that developed. It is also more fun since an international border is involved.

IMHO, given that you’re wanting to request permission, you’re likely alright, presuming you get it.

And if you don’t get a response one way or the other, you might consider just making it a “digital loan”:

1. Make the copy, send it to the person to watch it.

2. Don’t use your copy while the other person has it on “loan”.

3. Confirm that they’ve deleted it the file.

4. Then you can use your copy.

Or fully use the right of first sale, and just loan the actual DVD, which definitely is legal.

But also congratulations! You may have stumbled upon the problem of orphaned works, where its unclear who owns the copyright, so no one can request to make a copy. (An aside, if my cat put me in charge of writing new copyright laws, it’d require that you continue to make the work available in some form, or it falls into a regime of compulsory licensing, with the license fee either sent to the copyright owner, or if one can’t be found an organization that’s job is to escrow and hold the funds until the copyright holder identifies themselves. In the case the copyright owner isn’t identified after the work had been in the public domain for say 25 years, any escrowed fees get donated to a relevant library.)

Nick

(Weee! Wading back into copyright discussions after so long!)

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[J.-C. Coolen]

Great points, Nick--thanks!

jc

At 07:06 PM 2024-07-15 -0700, you wrote:

J.-C.,

This is one of those situations where I’m betting the law is unclear. What is an “educational use†, its one of those things lawyers argue about, since the case law probably isn’t that developed. It is also more fun since an international border is involved.

IMHO, given that you’re wanting to request permission, you’re likely alright, presuming you get it.

And if you don’t get a response one way or the other, you might consider just making it a “digital loan†:

1. Make the copy, send it to the person to watch it.

2. Don’t use your copy while the other person has it on “loan†.
3. Confirm that they’ve deleted it the file.

4. Then you can use your copy.

Or fully use the right of first sale, and just loan the actual DVD, which definitely is legal.

But also congratulations! You may have stumbled upon the problem of orphaned works, where its unclear who owns the copyright, so no one can request to make a copy. (An aside, if my cat put me in charge of writing new copyright laws, it’d require that you continue to make the work available in some form, or it falls into a regime of compulsory licensing, with the license fee either sent to the copyright owner, or if one can’t be found an organization that’s job is to escrow and hold the funds until the copyright holder identifies themselves. In the case the copyright owner isn’t identified after the work had been in the public domain for say 25 years, any escrowed fees get donated to a relevant library.)

Nick

(Weee! Wading back into copyright discussions after so long!)

On Jul 15, 2024, at 12:08, J.-C. Coolen <jcco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Double ugh! This is not a good day--mea culpa! (And I'm usually very fastidious in copyright matters... :-() Thanks, Thomas!

I was thinking of copying only if the DVD is no longer available, from any retail source...

If that were the case, I'd try contacting Jason Wells and/or Tualatin Valley Academy directly, to track down the current copyright holder of the RoF DVD, to request permission for copying.

https://nwadventists.com/news/2024/01/ring-fire-alum-leads-student-handbell-program

But, also: I'm not up on US copyright law, but doesn't it include an educational use exemption? Kevin mentioned he was looking for the DVD for the use of his conducting student, in her training...

jc

At 08:17 PM 2024-07-15 +0200, 'THOMAS SIMPSON' via Handbell-l wrote:

Make a copy and upload it?

Ummm. Hmmmmm. That’s a no-no isn’t ‚¬â„¢t it?




Thomas

On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:14â€Â¯PM, J.-C. Coolen <jcco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

 Ugh! Sorry! A Rudy...meant to email this to Kevin directly...

jc

At 01:08 PM 2024-07-15 -0400, J.-C. Coolen wrote:

Hi, Kevin.

Did you ever get a copy of this DVD?

I have a copy--I'd like to keep it, but I could try to copy and upload it for you, if you still need it...just let me know!

J.-C. Coolen
Greater Toronto Area

At 09:12 AM 2024-05-08 -0600, you wrote:

Hello!

I’m trying to track down a copy of the DVD Ri Ring of Ff Fire 2001.Â

I probably loaned it out and didnn’t get it back. It Itâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢s not available e through Jeffers or Heinz anymore.Â

I want to get this for a conducting student who is making great strides, Samantha Beschta. She is at a stage where she would thrive on studying the advanced repertoire and the visual style that Ring of Fire offered.Â

Jason Wells and I did the audio commentary. So if I find more than one copy, I’d enjoy having this in my library again as ws we well.Â

I am VERY happy to pay properly for this and the shipping and so on.Â

Please contact me privately atÃÂ handbell...@gmail.com

Thank you! Kevin McChesney p;

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[Rima Greer]

Hi everybody!

I’m taking a moment out from lurking to engage in a Shameless Plug - but I think it might be something you guys might want to know about.

For those of you who don’t know, I was a partner in Campanile, the most radically unusual group of handbell artists, pretty much ever.  I was also Area 12 chair, and one of the creators of the Pinnacle events.

My writing partner from Campanile, Roger, and I have written a book that examines the Collaborative Creative Process- something we engaged in for 20 years as we built our shows, and pushed ourselves to innovate what could be done with our instrument and ourselves.

And in the process, this book basically spills all of our secrets - WHAT we did, HOW we did it, and WHY we did it.

Here’s what some folks you might know have to say about our book:

There are few groups in the handbell world who reach the status of legendary, but Campanile was one of the first and most lasting to achieve amazing creative heights. This volume is a full course in the artistic and practical aspects of collaboration and the creative process. More importantly, it is the engaging story of atists with a generous heart for music and the people who bring it to life. Kevin McChesney - Composer, Conductor, Educator

This easy and fun book clearly explores the fascinating background and process of creative collaboration as well as a look into the individuals boldly stepping into new territory with the handbell instrument. It's a must-read for anyone looking to expand their own creative soul. Nancy Jessup - Ringer, Director, Clinician, Author

A truly engaging peek ‘behind-the-curtain' of a ground-breaking group and their collaborative process, both the good and the bad. Campanile were not only 'trend-setters,' but are truly the giants upon whose shoulders the rest of us must stand. Anybody who collaborates, or works with creative people, should read this book! Michèle Sharik - Handbell Artist, Sonos, Timbré, and The Golden Dance

We’ve asked our publisher to make this book available at the lowest possible cost, because what we REALLY want to do is share everything we learned in the process with all of you, in hopes that it might help you in your own endeavors, handbell-related or not.  It’s available in Paperback, Kindle, and Audible versions - Kindle and Audible are only $3.50.  (Roger & I read the Audible version for you… we still are performers, after all!)

We hope some of you might be curious enough to read about our take on collaborative creation, and that you might find it useful.

Ping me back if you have any thoughts or questions.  It’s time to Spill the Beans!

XXX

Rima

Campanile

www.turningthetablesbook.com

www.campanilemusic.com

PS.  If you do get the book, pretty please leave us a review!  It will help spread the word….

[SPTVtattoowarrior]

Where’s my quote!!!? 😂

Barb Silvey
Area 10 Chair
Bass Bell Lover

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[Rima Greer]

Wow, this popped up out of nowhere...

On Mar 14, 2026, at 7:53 AM, SPTVtattoowarrior <vandl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Where’s my quote!!!? 😂

In a giant chapter near the end of the book!  

BTW, Roger and I will be teaching some of this stuff at Area 12’s exciting event in Las Vegas this June!  Come join the fun!

XXX

Rima

Campanile 

Barb Silvey
Area 10 Chair
Bass Bell Lover

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:55 AM 'Rima Greer' via Handbell-l <handb...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi everybody!

I’m taking a moment out from lurking to engage in a Shameless Plug - but I think it might be something you guys might want to know about.

For those of you who don’t know, I was a partner in Campanile, the most radically unusual group of handbell artists, pretty much ever.  I was also Area 12 chair, and one of the creators of the Pinnacle events.

My writing partner from Campanile, Roger, and I have written a book that examines the Collaborative Creative Process- something we engaged in for 20 years as we built our shows, and pushed ourselves to innovate what could be done with our instrument and ourselves.

And in the process, this book basically spills all of our secrets - WHAT we did, HOW we did it, and WHY we did it.

Here’s what some folks you might know have to say about our book:

There are few groups in the handbell world who reach the status of legendary, but Campanile was one of the first and most lasting to achieve amazing creative heights. This volume is a full course in the artistic and practical aspects of collaboration and the creative process. More importantly, it is the engaging story of atists with a generous heart for music and the people who bring it to life. Kevin McChesney - Composer, Conductor, Educator

This easy and fun book clearly explores the fascinating background and process of creative collaboration as well as a look into the individuals boldly stepping into new territory with the handbell instrument. It's a must-read for anyone looking to expand their own creative soul. Nancy Jessup - Ringer, Director, Clinician, Author

A truly engaging peek ‘behind-the-curtain' of a ground-breaking group and their collaborative process, both the good and the bad. Campanile were not only 'trend-setters,' but are truly the giants upon whose shoulders the rest of us must stand. Anybody who collaborates, or works with creative people, should read this book! Michèle Sharik - Handbell Artist, Sonos, Timbré, and The Golden Dance

We’ve asked our publisher to make this book available at the lowest possible cost, because what we REALLY want to do is share everything we learned in the process with all of you, in hopes that it might help you in your own endeavors, handbell-related or not.  It’s available in Paperback, Kindle, and Audible versions - Kindle and Audible are only $3.50.  (Roger & I read the Audible version for you… we still are performers, after all!)

We hope some of you might be curious enough to read about our take on collaborative creation, and that you might find it useful.

Ping me back if you have any thoughts or questions.  It’s time to Spill the Beans!

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[Shirley Hipwell]

I am writing as I have been watching Rema and the Campanelli Belfair since the 1980s. They have been so fantastic that I needed to write that this is a must for everyone to read. That’s a Handbell director that really want to take their group to an interesting, creative and higher level. Don’t ignore it or put it aside. Do it right away you will never regret it. 

iShirley Hipwell , Northwest Chicago, Community Ringers-director-founder, 1st Special Groups Coordinator for AGEHR. Rosevelt University, Chicago, Harper College -Handbell Director , Palatine IL.

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