YouTube Scam

[Stephanie Wiltse]

Has anyone run into what looks to be a scam going on with YouTube postings? We recently posted some videos of Embellish performances from last spring, and two arrangements of pieces IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN were flagged by "AdShare MG for a Third Party" as possibly violating copyright.

It smelled fishy to me. We have since Googled "AdShare MG for a Third Party" and it appears as though it, along with some similar "groups," are trying to scam the posters into giving up personal information and most likely create other mayhem and irritation.

There's always someone coming up with another way to scam internet users. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has experienced this. If not, I just say BEWARE.

Stephanie Wiltse

[Nicholas Barnard]

Howdy Stephanie,

What I think this is that your content has matched Google's filters for copyrighted music. (e.g. It is matching someone else's copyrighted performance of the same public domain piece.)

What I believe this is a Content ID claim, you can be sure by looking at: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2818443 and seeing if this matches what you're seeing.

This is all done automatically by a computer, and as we all know to really screw something up takes a computer. ;-)

Cheers,
Nick Barnard
Seattle, WA

[Stephanie Wiltse]

Nope, I don't think so. This looks more like a third party scam. YouTube seems to be intentionally staying out of it. The third party (and there are other parties attempting this besides AdShare MG) appear to be trying to get you to click through to them and then give up personal information in trying to dispute their claim.

Stephanie W

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[Nancy Kirkner]

Hi, Stephanie, I run into this all the time.  I'm YouTubist for my (non-handbell) performance group, and I post videos every month during the performing season.  As you know, I'm diligent about using only PD material unless I have permission from the copyright holder.  Even though it's PD material, it's nearly always flagged, and AdShare MG is a frequent culprit.  The problem is, no one can tell whether something is PD just by watching a video, so YouTube puts the burden on you to certify that it is.  This is one of the unfortunate side effects of all the illegal YouTube posting - the publishers have figured out that they can't stop it, but they can monetize it.

I always go through the many annoying steps YouTube requires to challenge the flag, and it eventually gets removed.  Since the new performing season hasn't started yet, it's possible the process has changed since last spring.

A reminder that an arrangement of a tune in the public domain can still be under copyright.  

Best -

Nancy Kirkner

Seattle

www.solobells.com

[Stephanie Wiltse]

My point is that this is NOT coming from YouTube, as far as I can tell. So
it's not YouTube putting the burden on us. It looks like the third party
has found a way to recognize "familiar" pieces and connect with the poster
to try to scare them into providing personal information. After a little
Googling, it appears this is happening with all kinds of folks, including
parents of little kids who post their piano performances of PD classical
pieces.

Stephanie W

> The problem is, no one can tell whether something is PD just by watching
> a
> video, so YouTube puts the burden on you to certify that it is. This is
> one of the unfortunate side effects of all the illegal YouTube posting -
> the publishers have figured out that they can't stop it, but they

> *can*monetize it.

[Nancy Kirkner]

Then maybe I don't understand the question.  If YouTube doesn't flag your video on behalf of the scammer, then what power does the scammer have over you?  Can't you just ignore their questions?  And if YouTube has flagged it, there's a process to remove that, through YouTube.  Again acknowledging that this process may have changed since I last posted in the spring, and someone else may have more current information for you.  I'm all ears.

Best -

Nancy

[Sue Nelson]

Good to know... thanks for the heads up!

Sue

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Subject: [HB-L] YouTube Scam

[Blerta Durmishi]

YouTube can not be bother with so many Complaint comes every day, this SCAMERS has fund a way flagin your videos even if they dont own any copyright with in your videos.
I have gone trough this many times and many times my videos was released from copyright claims after i have been disputed them.
DO NOT FORGET IF YOU AGREE WITH THE THIRD PARTY MATCH, THEN THIS SCAMMERS WILL GET MONEY FROM THAT VIDEO VIEWS! ( From your own videos !).
That's how bad they are, and this type of sp called company are building or showing up every day, and they are making false complaint so dont be surprised.
Most of the time they attac videos with most views, and they get lots of money from that video if you agree with them and you dont despute that video.
They use software , automated software and they send thousands of copyright claims (third party match videos) every day , think about how much money they make?
A LOT, TRUST ME A LOT, you create videos they make money from your videos even if you disable ads to your videos.
Hope that helps.

[Nicholas Barnard]

A good video about how the YouTube copyright violation system works came across my virtual desk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM9Z9us-urI

Only about the first eight minutes are applicable to those who upload videos.

Nick

[Rick Maat]

I just discovered a very old video of mine, has been copyrighted by them. The audacity hahaha! It's my own freaking content, and bad content at that!