Allow posting to unsubscribed groups?

[Lu Wei]

When news client posting to an unsubscribed group, it fails, and
Hamster-pg reports: " 440 posting failed (no permission to post to ..."
What I do to workaround this is to add a news pull, pull it for once,
then posting is allowed. But it is not a good solution. There are
situations when discussions are redirected to another group, but you do
not want to do subscribing and unsubscribing that group for just one
message, what needed is just that one message get posted. I wish there
is an option to allow posting to unsubscribed groups.

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Regards,
Lu Wei
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[Wolfgang Jäth]

Theres both a social as well as a technical a and definition problem
with your request.

At first, the usenet is meant for discussions, not for statements. But
when you post to a group you're not reading, then you *are* just giving
a statement. You're not interested in any answer, i, e. you're not
intrested in any discussion.

At second, the hamster can (and mostly is used to) handle pulling from
and posting to multiple servers. /Which/ server he may post to, he
decides according to the pulling list. If the group you intend to post
to is not found in that list, he simply doesn't know a server to which
he can deliver that article.

At third, groups without any pulling order are defined as local groups
within hamster. If hamster would (and could somehow) post to unread
groups, how would you suggest to dissolve the situation, that someone
has a pure local group, which unfortunatly has the same name as an
existing group on a server he's pulling from? How shall hamster know
whether to handle such an article as a local one, or as one to an
external unknown group?

But for your convenience, ther /is/ a workaround for posting to groups
you are not actually pulling (i. e. reading). You can x-post to unknown
groups, as long as you post as well to at least /one/ group you *are*
reading.

But remember, if you're x-posting, please don't forget without fail to
set up a follow-up header as well. X-posting without a follow-up header
set is at least an as bad behaviour as posting to unread groups. It
leaves a mark of being very self-absorbed, if not to say snotnosed.

Wolfgang
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[Lu Wei]

On 2013-10-10 13:51, Wolfgang Jäth wrote:
> Am 10.10.2013 04:29, schrieb Lu Wei:
>> When news client posting to an unsubscribed group, it fails, and
>> Hamster-pg reports: " 440 posting failed (no permission to post to ..."
>> What I do to workaround this is to add a news pull, pull it for once,
>> then posting is allowed. But it is not a good solution. There are
>> situations when discussions are redirected to another group, but you do
>> not want to do subscribing and unsubscribing that group for just one
>> message, what needed is just that one message get posted. I wish there
>> is an option to allow posting to unsubscribed groups.
>
> Theres both a social as well as a technical a and definition problem
> with your request.
>
> At first, the usenet is meant for discussions, not for statements. But
> when you post to a group you're not reading, then you *are* just giving
> a statement. You're not interested in any answer, i, e. you're not
> intrested in any discussion.

You are quite right. The situation is rare. Sometimes on or off topic is
not very strict: someone posted a not very off topic message, and I
replied, then another one replied to say it's off topic and set a
"Follow-up To", and I did respect this, yet I cannot just keep silent
because maybe it's not polite and there was left something that should
be explained. Yet I feel not like to subscribe to a new unfamiliar
group, so I explained as clear as I can and asked for further discussion
add me as a recipient if really concerned. Well, now I think there are
other ways to go, i.e. I could just ignore his set "Follow-up To", and
set the same header to my message, though that is against his request,
for just one message.

>
> At second, the hamster can (and mostly is used to) handle pulling from
> and posting to multiple servers. /Which/ server he may post to, he
> decides according to the pulling list. If the group you intend to post
> to is not found in that list, he simply doesn't know a server to which
> he can deliver that article.
>
> At third, groups without any pulling order are defined as local groups
> within hamster. If hamster would (and could somehow) post to unread
> groups, how would you suggest to dissolve the situation, that someone
> has a pure local group, which unfortunatly has the same name as an
> existing group on a server he's pulling from? How shall hamster know
> whether to handle such an article as a local one, or as one to an
> external unknown group?

It depends on default configurations. Maybe Hamster-pg could consider
post command another way (like group command) to auto-add pulls. Same
logic could be applied to decide which server he may post to. If the
group is not found on any server, then an error be issued. If
unfortunately there is a local group with the same name, though it's not
good practice I think, the local group should take precedence.

>
> But for your convenience, ther /is/ a workaround for posting to groups
> you are not actually pulling (i. e. reading). You can x-post to unknown
> groups, as long as you post as well to at least /one/ group you *are*
> reading.
>
> But remember, if you're x-posting, please don't forget without fail to
> set up a follow-up header as well. X-posting without a follow-up header
> set is at least an as bad behaviour as posting to unread groups. It
> leaves a mark of being very self-absorbed, if not to say snotnosed.
>

This workaround is also good. Thank you for the suggestion!