great soch

[aaby09]

WHEN I WALK AS AN OLD FRAIL MAN, IN THE BYLANES OF A SMALL TOWN FAR
AWAY FROM THESE CONCRETE JUNGLES....
A MOIST HAND HOLDS MINE FROM THE BACK,
ASKS ME
SIR CAN I HELP YOU TO YOUR HOME
I SMILE AND WATCH HIM'
I KNOW HE IS ON HIS WAY TO HIS DREAM
THE DREAM THAT MY FRIENDS SAW WITH ME 50 YEARS BACK
I THANK THE ALMIGHTY THAT HAMARI SOCHH HAD DONE IT...
HELLO SIR ARE U THERE HE SHOUTS, AND RUNS WITH HIS SCHOOL BAG TO THE
RINGING BELL
I WISH I WALK .........

[shabirul Haque]

Great philosophy and dream from great man. Wonderful and appreciated

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[Shah Mohammad Shadab]

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[MEHDIHAYAT SHAHI]

I do agree, we will make our dream.................................................................... a true dream...........................................with applaud.............................................and success Amin!

 

 

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[azimullah ansari]

dear friends askm.
tomorrow morning i have to go to meet the professor but i did not receive any input from you. if you find time please write atleast the points which you think necessary to be discussed or have not been included in the issues list. our cooperation is more appreciable than the individual efforts. the professor assured me that he will take care of all the legal work. he told me that he will introduce me to any judge who deals these aspects. i want to go and meet him with concrete problems and expect a proper and pointed suggestions. so please just shake off the procrastination.

[Naiyer Mallick]

Dear Azim Bhai,

ASAK;

It is great to see that you have started this effort. Many thanks for inviting me to be part of the group. However; initially I was little bit reluctant to actively participate in this discussion.

From the few mails which have been circulated on this group, it appears that the main goal is educational upliftment of Indian Muslims. Do we really need this? (I will write separately to you on this issue)

Many of the issues which were circulated earlier, can’t be answered unless we have some data. National Sample Survey will be a great source to come to a conclusion, unless we have demographic data we can’t design an educational programme.  

I will give a small example to emphasize my point:

Suppose total Muslim population in Bihar is X

10% are graduate

20% are +2 level and dropped out education

40 % dropped after 10^th standard

20% went to school but were not able to pass 10^th

10% never went to any formal school

Unless we know the approximate data and the reason why some people never went to school or why they dropped the school after certain standard, it will be very difficult to design a successful programme. I’m not criticizing the effort of the group but my point is that rather than playing dart we should exactly know where the problem lies.  If we plan with strategic focus, then we will see the result. I have seen many educational institutes and schools (minority) producing unemployable youth creating more frustration.

However, I will try to deliberate on the issues posed by you on the group:

1. Name of the organization: Doesn’t matter, but should have a secular name.
2. Name of school: Again doesn’t matter, but MUST be a secular name. A non-secular name attracts lots of un-required attention and products of such schools are generally pushed into ghettos and live a life of low self-esteem. I would like to emphasize here that Muslims can’t live in ghettos – social or educational. They must merge into the main stream.
3. Area of operation/ state/district: A prototype can be started in any place, it is very important to test the water before taking a plunge. The success/failure and subsequent revision of the model can be done at latter stage before expanding into other districts.
4. objectives

·         education/socioeconomic: it needs more deliberation; at this stage we should focus on a single objective…I mean educational only.  

·         minority only/ some representation from the majority group -non Muslim /100% marginalized or some proportion: I don’t think it is a good idea to have minority only school…it creates more problem than solving them. It again creates ghetto-mindset and products of such schools mostly remain away from main stream. In the prototype model, probably we can introduce some percentage reserved for other communities, say 20%.

·         primary/secondary/senior secondary: Again unless we have some data on educational pattern among Muslims, we can’t say anything for sure. But I feel it will be more appropriate to start with primary and move to secondary and senior secondary.

·         fee structure: completely free for marginalized or some part of expenses charged: If you give something free, no one give value to it. Better to have some fee structure…may be the books can be provided free but there must be some fee…it will also solve some of the funding problem.

·         provision of scholarship: Yes there must be some provision of scholarship…but it needs more time to deliberate and design one.

·         sports infrastructure/facility: It depends on the kind of funding we can get, but some kind of facility should be there. More than providing sport facility, it is better to provide a computer center probably with internet connection. We live in a world where getting correct information and news is more important than anything else.

·         aim of providing educational services: This again depends on data of educational pattern of Muslims…our goal may be to increase literacy (primary education) among Muslims from say X% to Y% in say 5 years. Needs more deliberation and discussion.

·         should we facilitate students to pass admission test in navodya and sainik school/ good schools maintained on government exchequer: Yes it will serve lots of strategic purposes.

·         boarding/day scholar: I think day scholar will be better, but again it depends on the funding need and availability of funding.

·         preparing for medical/engineering test: Yes, more than this they should be encouraged to appear in civil services and other government services exams.  

Below, most of the questions are related to the organizational structure and control, and I think you will be in better position to give a working framework. However, I feel that this organization should be registered as trust or NGO.

1. number of post/office bearer/executive committee/ post bearer ex-office member of executive board/their functions
2. school management committee/their role
3. continuation of membership
4. member/post holder if working against the interest of group
5. removal procedure of member/office bearer
6. provision of granting membership/membership fee/donation
7. type of persons- membership to be granted
8. category of members- life time/yearly basis/
9. qualification for membership
10. meetings of executive body/general body/trustee/quorum/ notice for meeting
11. rights and jurisdiction of general body/ executive body/ trustee
12. How to manage zaqat fund and other donations.

We need more participation from other members.

Naiyer 

[azimullah ansari]

askm. yes naiyer i agree with your suggestions and your insights
given in this context. actually we have not discussed the aim in
detail here therefore some misgivings are cropping up. i will give a
brief account about the goal of establishing such institutions, later
we will discuss in detail.
actually we want to establish quality schools. we have found specially
in siwan and gopalganj that people have enough money but are not
getting better education for their wards.i believe this holds true in
case of whole bihar and eastern up. besides, in the name of education
many ladies whose husbands are working in gulf countries have put up
in these towns. this creates a lots of social problems which have
threatened the family structure too.
moreover money is not stumbling block in the way of education in these
areas to an extent.
further we want to provide better school education so as to make a
sustainable foundation. for +2 we want to give a special focus by
providing them boarding facility so as to ensure admission into best
medical and engineering institutions.
preparing the students for navyoday and sainik type of school is
another major objective. through this we want to rationalize our
meager economic resources by shifting our economic expenses upon
government exchequer. moreover, these are better schools.
our other objectives are to provide a kind of ambiance where students
would not be isolated in the outside world. for this we want to admit
non-muslim students. we want to provide a rational interpretation of
religion, a scientific outlook so as to alleviate the generation gap
and usher a harmonious relation with other sections of the society.
however our main problem, as i believe is to manage the fund
that includes zaqat as well as donations. what mechanism could be
devised that ensures that zaqat is used up as has been directed in our
religion. how to develop our fee structures? how could a different fee
would be charged to different categories of students? what proportion
of marginalised would be admitted?
i may have my prejudice here, that before taking admission one must
ensure that the student shall go beyond +2. the social background of
the student could address this problem. i don't want to make this
organisation to go for literacy campaign and enhance literacy level.
then it raises serious question about admitting the poor and
marginalised students. my thinking in this direction is not
irrational. i believe that our good amount of money may be consumes up
in making them literate. the very purpose of social engineering would
be defeated. this is a moral issue. we all need to discuss. my views
may smack a bias toward middle class. but i do not have any clue in
this direction, how to move? discussion could resolve these conflicts.
we had already decided to propose a secular name for organisation as
well as for school. it was my fault that i could not make you aware
you about these issues. with these inputs i think we should start our
discussions.
naiyer, we all need people in different capacity for the survival of
the organisation. intellectual resources are i think most important
among them. so any one is associating with us as a critique, then his
contribution could not belittled in any sense. so i personally welcome
every such person and believe them most vital organ for the
organisarion. i am happy that you wrote your point otherwise these
explanation i would not have provided.
thanks

> 1. Name of the organization: Doesn’t matter, but should have a secular
> name.
> 2. Name of school: Again doesn’t matter, but MUST be a secular name. A

> non-secular name attracts lots of un-required attention and products of
> such
> schools are generally pushed into ghettos and live a life of low
> self-esteem. I would like to emphasize here that Muslims can’t live in
> ghettos – social or educational. They must merge into the main stream.

> 3. Area of operation/ state/district: A prototype can be started in any

> place, it is very important to test the water before taking a plunge. The
> success/failure and subsequent revision of the model can be done at
> latter
> stage before expanding into other districts.

> 4. objectives

> 1. number of post/office bearer/executive committee/ post bearer

> ex-office member of executive board/their functions

> 2. school management committee/their role
> 3. continuation of membership
> 4. member/post holder if working against the interest of group
> 5. removal procedure of member/office bearer
> 6. provision of granting membership/membership fee/donation
> 7. type of persons- membership to be granted
> 8. category of members- life time/yearly basis/
> 9. qualification for membership
> 10. meetings of executive body/general body/trustee/quorum/ notice for
> meeting
> 11. rights and jurisdiction of general body/ executive body/ trustee
> 12. How to manage zaqat fund and other donations.

>
> We need more participation from other members.
>

> *Naiyer *

>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:26 PM, azimullah ansari
> <azim...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> dear friends askm.
>> tomorrow morning i have to go to meet the professor but i did not receive
>> any input from you. if you find time please write atleast the points which
>> you think necessary to be discussed or have not been included in the
>> issues
>> list. our cooperation is more appreciable than the individual efforts. the
>> professor assured me that he will take care of all the legal work. he told
>> me that he will introduce me to any judge who deals these aspects. i want
>> to
>> go and meet him with concrete problems and expect a proper and pointed
>> suggestions. so please just shake off the procrastination.
>>
>

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