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Philly B

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Nov 13, 2020, 2:27:13 PM11/13/20
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Has anyone else gotten a new letter from the bankruptcy court? 
What am I supposed to do? 

sundancejedi

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Nov 13, 2020, 2:31:42 PM11/13/20
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I got one last week saying they found assets for MRG and that you can file a proof of claim through downloading and filling out a form from the link they provided in the letter. You then need to mail it to the court and wait.

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Has anyone else gotten a new letter from the bankruptcy court? 
What am I supposed to do? 

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Rob Hollander

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Nov 13, 2020, 2:35:12 PM11/13/20
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In order to register our original claims, we submitted proof of purchase. I did a screen shot of the Indiegogo order. I assume they have what they need then. It said if you've already submitted a proof of purchase you don't have to send anything. Assuming it's good to go. Any other thoughts?

Best.
Rob

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Mike Wishart

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Nov 13, 2020, 3:07:26 PM11/13/20
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I filed online after I got the new letter.  Submitted a screenshot of the contribution page and redacted other contributions.  The dumbest thing about the letter is that the webpage they say to go to doesn't exist.


Paper form if you want to go that way:  https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/form_b_410_0.pdf

case number: 20-13095

Apparently we get priority for purchasing for personal use - so tick the checkbox for "Up to $3,025* of deposits toward purchase, lease, or rental of property or services for personal, family, or household use. 11 U.S.C. § 507(a)(7)."

Also hoping I did it right!

Austin R. Chamberlain

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Nov 13, 2020, 7:41:26 PM11/13/20
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I bought mine from the Master Replicas website back in February of 2019 through installment payments. Came to $1049. I would receive newsletter updates on the HAL 9000 console up until April, then silence. No other emails or communication. What should I do?


Andrew Bennett

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Nov 14, 2020, 11:31:23 AM11/14/20
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I'm not a lawyer, so I had to look up section "11 U.S.C. 507(a)(7).  It says:

"Seventh, allowed unsecured claims of individuals, to the extent of $1,800 for each such individual, arising from the deposit, before the commencement of the case, of money in connection with the purchase, lease, or rental of property, or the purchase of services, for the personal, family, or household use of such individuals, that were not delivered or provided. "

This reads to me that if they had taken funds for something like a building or large, expensive bit of equipment (hence "purchase, lease or rental of property") or if they were supposed to supply a service (e.g. a contractor coming to work on your house), then we'd qualify.  But this was a product they never made.  I'm not sure we qualify for that kind of priority.  I wish we did, though. :(
 
Any real lawyers reading this?  Can we get some unofficial advice?

Adrian Petford

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Nov 15, 2020, 9:00:29 AM11/15/20
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I have also received the new letter and am wondering whether we need take any further steps.

As has been reported, the link supplied in the letter is invalid. Searching for Form B 410 on the website brings this up though:


This is the same form that those of us who already filed a claim previously filled out online. I used a screenshot of my Indiegogo confirmation email and remember it was stated that signing it electronically was valid for legal purposes.

So as Rob says above , my feeling is also that if we've already filed a claim we need not do anything more, but I would still prefer to have it clarified officially.

Has anyone been in touch with the bankruptcy clerk's office? It appears the only methods to contact them are by phone or post.

Best wishes to all,


Adrian

Declan Imeson-Wood

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Nov 16, 2020, 10:06:47 PM11/16/20
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I guess that these letters are only going to US residents?
Cheers 
Declan


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Panagiotis (Peter) A. Vretanos

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Nov 16, 2020, 10:06:54 PM11/16/20
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I got the a new letter too but I had submitted a claim (#89) before so I am confused.  Do I need to submit a new claim?  Is there any way to confirm or re-confirm my previous claim?

Thanks.

John Spence

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Feb 8, 2021, 3:42:01 PM2/8/21
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Not a lawyer, but that is what I read too and being familiar with the USC use, etc...we would quality here.  

Cave Dweller

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Mar 4, 2021, 8:36:58 AM3/4/21
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Anyone see the latest email blast from SD? 
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Hello and welcome to the SD Studios MARCH Mailing!
 
Welcome NEW list members!

I put even MORE super-cool, rare pieces up for sale this month! E-mail me for pics or more info. Payment can go t0 ###@###.###.. Payment plans are always available and negotiable. (pricing is generally…less-so). If you see something you want, let me know a payment schedule that works for you!
 
THIS IS IMPORTANT! SD Studios has now officially acquired all of the assets of MRG and we will hopefully be pulling the HAL project back from the dead and get them back into production and delivered to the MRG customers. Step 1 was to acquire the MRG inventory. Step 2 is to get WB to sign-off on the approval (I have already sent the proposal) and Step 2.5 is to raise the remaining capital to fund the production. (We have a potential source.) The inventory acquisition was a key part of this funding process. What MRG did was WRONG and I am doing everything in my power to fix that. Please stay tuned!

Onward…

Our NEW Website is UP! Please check it out when you have a moment!

www.sdstudiosltd.com

John Spence

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Mar 4, 2021, 9:58:01 AM3/4/21
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Not at all.  I am surprised to see that considering there has been no communication about much of anything since November time frame.

AceNetTV

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Mar 22, 2021, 2:55:40 PM3/22/21
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MRG to Dyzmo: "Not so fast, Stephen Dymszo."

Filing Date#Docket Text
03/16/2021
 
1 
(12 pgs)
Adversary case 21-00022. Complaint by JAMES G. LARE on behalf of Terry P. Dershaw, Trustee against Stephen Dymszo. Fee Amount $350 . (02 (Other (e.g. other actions that would have been brought in state court if unrelated to bankruptcy))),(14 (Recovery of money/property - other)) (LARE, JAMES) (Entered: 03/16/2021)
03/17/2021
 
2 
(2 pgs)
1 Summons Issued to Plaintiff(s) to be served upon Defendant(s) Stephen Dymszo Date Issued 3/17/2021, Answer Due 4/16/2021. (J., Randi) (Entered: 03/17/2021)

Scott Wright

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Mar 22, 2021, 3:08:47 PM3/22/21
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I've not received ANY news about this until now. I didn't even know there was a name change from MRG to SD Studios. If they are truly intending to honor MRG customer's orders in the future, why aren't all who paid for this project getting emails? I paid for mine through the funding site. So, I should be way up on the contact list.

Do I need to contact SD studios and sign up?

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AceNetTV

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Mar 22, 2021, 3:12:19 PM3/22/21
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See newest conversation... I'd be hesitant to buy anything from SD Studios if the business/owner is being sued for property.

Ken Wiebe

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Mar 22, 2021, 6:32:35 PM3/22/21
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Links provided require login.  Can you post PDF's of relevant docs instead?
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Michael Hraba

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Mar 23, 2021, 1:55:13 PM3/23/21
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Looks like he took people in 2015 as SD Studios:

Cave Dweller

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Mar 23, 2021, 8:47:59 PM3/23/21
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Just received another mailer today...


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Heiko Fischer

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Mar 24, 2021, 7:43:04 AM3/24/21
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Just got this 👇



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Just received another mailer today...

AceNetTV

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Mar 24, 2021, 7:57:56 AM3/24/21
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Of course... 😕

Ihave Noname

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Mar 24, 2021, 9:34:28 AM3/24/21
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SD Studios is in the same location as MRG...... just to tell how screwed we where. SD should realize that one of us will visit him one day...


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DA AV

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Mar 24, 2021, 2:17:41 PM3/24/21
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Thank you everyone for the updates. I'm glad there is a group to keep track of this stuff.

Cave Dweller

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Apr 1, 2021, 6:26:45 PM4/1/21
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Another mail blast from SD...


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sundancejedi

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Apr 1, 2021, 6:34:25 PM4/1/21
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The nerve of him to ask for more money. I just can't believe it. 

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Rob Hollander

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Sep 27, 2022, 3:28:58 PM9/27/22
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Anyone hear anything new on this? Is there a website to check on the case? Last thing I see online is that the case was terminated on April 4, 2022.. That was on this site: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/35475521/Master_Replicas_Group,_Inc 

Best
Rob

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Ken Wiebe

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Sep 27, 2022, 3:38:18 PM9/27/22
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Nothing new that I know of.  Right now I am most curious about the fact that a partner is apparently suing Dymszo (according to Dymszo's email in this thread).  We have only ever heard Dymszo's side of the story, so if a partner is suing him claiming the bankruptcy is Dymszo's fault, I would be interested in hearing that argument because it might finally shine some light on what happened to all the money.

TTerrific

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Sep 27, 2022, 3:48:13 PM9/27/22
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Hi Rob,
I have not heard anything. 
Thanks for the update.
Thom

John Spence

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Sep 27, 2022, 3:50:33 PM9/27/22
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Thanks for the update. I would love to be a fly on the wall and listen in considering we all took a ride w/ this that was not part of the plan.

Rob Hollander

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Sep 27, 2022, 3:59:12 PM9/27/22
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I have the document with all our names listed as claimants, I would think there would be some other follow up correspondence.

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Pat Sklenar

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Sep 27, 2022, 4:06:02 PM9/27/22
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I seem to recall that he claimed to have won the lawsuit in one of his all too often sales emails, but he stopped talking about MR and "doing right by those who had bought in".

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Jon Allitt

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Sep 27, 2022, 4:23:23 PM9/27/22
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I see that medicom have just released a HAL. I assume he struck some sort of deal with them -  hence the radio silence.

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Rob Hollander

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Sep 27, 2022, 6:29:01 PM9/27/22
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Not sure what there was to win. I thought it was just claimants against assets of a bankruptcy filing. 

John Wood

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:52:23 AM9/29/22
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How many of you guys were taken in via Indiegogo? I sadly was fooled when they went 'public' with the HAL setup.
Several more start-ups on Indiegogo seem to be going the same way but Indiegogo dont seem to give a fig about investors. Perhaps Indiegogo needs to be held to account for failure to act.

John Wood
UK

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Heiko Fischer

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:56:11 AM9/29/22
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🖐

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Subject: Re: [HAL9000-Replica] Re: New Letter Received

Ian Brodie

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Sep 29, 2022, 8:01:19 AM9/29/22
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Yes, I was Indiegogo. 

I actually thought I was protected by them…..
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Heiko Fischer

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Sep 29, 2022, 8:03:26 AM9/29/22
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Same Ian.

Painful realization.
Zero value add from that platform.

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Yes, I was Indiegogo. 

Rob Stokes

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Sep 29, 2022, 8:21:37 AM9/29/22
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I was. So disappointed and I, like you all, have lost a good chunk of money on this. If it had been some random person asking for money I would never have gone with it but was under the impression that via Indiegogo there was *some* level of protection for investors and/or regulation/governance of the start-ups. Obviously not escrow as they need the money to get things made but some accountability. Indiegogo have provided nothing.

My pride, faith in the system and wallet have all been hit massively. Still fuming.

Rob Stokes
UK


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Ken Wiebe

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Sep 29, 2022, 11:41:17 AM9/29/22
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Exactly how I feel.  I too felt that Indiegogo would offer some layer of protection, oversight, accountability.  The lesson learned is that Indiegogo just provides a tool for unscrupulous operators to use to bilk money from people like us.

Pat Sklenar

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Sep 29, 2022, 12:58:06 PM9/29/22
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Indiegogo *and* Kickstarter. :(

Declan Imeson-Wood

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Sep 29, 2022, 1:07:48 PM9/29/22
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Same here. I have fallen foul of both Indiegogo and Kickstarter failures and have to say neither platform provides any level of diligence or protection. 
I would say I have a fail rate of maybe 5% but the Hal project hurt the most.  
Cheers 
Declan 
UK


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Heiko Fischer

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Sep 29, 2022, 2:07:02 PM9/29/22
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Sunk $5k into a vr motion chair on kickstarter. It’s still on the platform even though the guy declared insolvency and is chased by a dozens or so of us 😄 like we don’t have better things to do…

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Same here. I have fallen foul of both Indiegogo and Kickstarter failures and have to say neither platform provides any level of diligence or protection. 

Rob Hollander

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Sep 29, 2022, 2:17:17 PM9/29/22
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I was asking the same question. It looks like the matter was closed in April 2022. 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:27 AM Philly B <ppate...@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone else gotten a new letter from the bankruptcy court? 
What am I supposed to do? 

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William Cheng

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Sep 29, 2022, 3:07:06 PM9/29/22
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I notice that Stephen Dymszo is still active on the The Wand Company Fans & Collectors facebook site and still actively selling his Star Trek phaser handle replicas.  I wonder if it's worth anything to ask him on facebook messaging about what's going on?

Since this matter was settled in April 2022 I guess we are the last to get anything (even if we are on the list).  Is this just a write off loss at this point or is there still any chance?  I will certainly never back anything beforehand again, I just thought Master Replicas had enough track record in past releases to be a safe bet, but I guess not.



Philip Raciti

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Sep 29, 2022, 3:17:47 PM9/29/22
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Believe this case to be settled and as unsecured claimants we get nothing. You should have received a final court order for asset liquidation detailing who got what. Mostly lawyers and the company’s bank. 

Indigogo here and charged 2x accidentally for the unit. 

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Michael “Fishbits” Hraba

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:05:56 PM9/29/22
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I'll admit, this was an expensive lesson. It's a bummer that has my head doing everything to soften the blow (it's like a paid to be part of something bigger! LOL), or just try to ignore it because it stings so much. Also, there's an emptiness and I keep looking for a Hal 9000 of any worthiness. I think there's a silly keychain one, or something. If any of you bought any merch of Hal 9000, I would love to hear it! Spending a little more to actually have one will bookend the story.

As for being "taken"... sorta agree, but I got taken by indiegogo because I was a giddy kid, and didn't understand the platform or terms.
Now, I understand if I am ever dumb enough to throw some money at something I believe in, it's going to be capped at [insert amount I'd be okay with losing].
But also, Indiegogo as a platform did seem deliberately vague about risks.

HOWEVER... I did not get "taken" by Indiegogo. I got taken by Tech and Pop Culture blogs like Gizmodo or Wired, or wherever I read about this thing, that related it "OMG MUST HAVE WOW", without any nuance but fan service. I do remember, after our experience, reading a similar click-baity blog that *DID* warn, CLEARLY, that crowdfunding can go wrong. 

I am pretty convinced our situation did inform future reporting... our funding failure was no little deal.  But ours coincided with a lot of excitement of pop culture and crowd funding, and it was the tech blogs "reporting" on the project that took me in. If I blame anything, it's them. It's my fault I didn't choose to understand Indiegogo or crowdfunding better. It was so new, but I've got to be a little accountable.

Rob Hollander

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:36:45 PM9/29/22
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Never got a final dissolution letter. Not even sure who to contact to get one. The original letter listing all claimants isn't clear. 

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jon allitt

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Sep 29, 2022, 11:34:19 PM9/29/22
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Wired and Gizmodo also reported the downfall of the project - and blamed covid but I think the money was long gone before the end of 2019.



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Heiko Fischer

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Sep 30, 2022, 5:00:55 AM9/30/22
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Well, they have to cover their asses, too.

Better to blame Covid than critical self-reflection of hyping a con-man…

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Spiny Norman

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Sep 30, 2022, 6:32:26 AM9/30/22
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Yeah ‘me too’. 
It seems that ‘crowdfunding’ sites should be viewed just like money to take to Vegas - bank on losing it, have no illusions that you’re going to ‘win big’ 
It just like the lottery - there’s a very small chance of coming out on top…
That said, I did buy something from Indegogo advertisers that I never expected to get due to many delays and re-tooling excuses - I thought it was going the way of my HAL unit - but they weren’t scammers and sent out the item without any extra cost.  So there’s good and bad with indegogo - you pays your money and takes your chances…

John Wood

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Oct 2, 2022, 6:18:53 AM10/2/22
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There are those, not backers, who will get any cash left. The rest of us can whistle Dixie still dont know where all our money went but I have a good idea.
If and its a very big if SD manages to get a working HAL 9000 I for one wont be buying until a recognised multinational starts selling it. In fact I am surprised that no company has taken on this project given just how much smartspeakers have developed since we parted with our cash. 
What Would it take to have a HAL 9000 with the voice of Douglas Rain via a smart speaker.

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Stephen Becker

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Nov 8, 2022, 11:45:31 PM11/8/22
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I can find the letter I received from the bankruptcy court if anyone is interested, but the final summary is that no creditors received funds.  It did not matter what priority the Indiegogo/HAL creditors received, because lawyers always get the first cut (by the rules of the court), and their fees exceeded the assets that had been secured by the court.  Game over.

When this situation occurred, I started researching crowdfunding (on FTC and state AG sites) and found that there really is no protection for those that donate.  And the key word is "donate".  Barring a few US state court cases that may be changing precedent, crowdfunding is legally considered a "donation" and there should be no expectation of any reward or item in exchange as the receiver of funds is under no obligation to provide one.  The difference between an actual scam and a legitimate project failure is only that a scammer may be prosecuted if sufficient evidence exists of fraud.  In either case, the donors are left with no recourse and most likely will never recover their funds.

Those who "purchased" HAL from the MRG website have a better claim as it may have not been clear to them that this was part of a crowdfunding project rather than a completed product for sale.  I don't know because I was an Indiegogo backer.  Regardless, there were still no funds left for anyone to claim.

I've funded a small number of Kickstarter projects since the HAL debacle, but only for small amounts ($150 or less) and only with project runners who have delivered before.  I do not expect to receive anything and when I do I am pleased.  I will never back anything for larger amounts and if I really want something I will wait until it is in production and available publicly.  There is simply too much risk in crowdfunding compared to the savings of "getting in early" or exclusive bonuses.

Until legislation is enacted that adds protections to this practice, or an improved service is launched with clear ToS and escrowed funds, you are taking 100% of the risk so beware.

Rob Hollander

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Feb 2, 2023, 7:29:57 PM2/2/23
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Anyone else just get this? Why would a company resurrect under the same tarnished name? Is this for real? They seem to be blaming Eaglemoss. 

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jon allitt

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Feb 2, 2023, 7:38:34 PM2/2/23
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It's a "different" Master Replicas - apparently an English entity entitled to use the original brand name (not "Master Replicas Group" which was blatantly appropriated by Steve Dymzso).

Eaglemoss did go out of business and the new MR is distributing warehoused stock - which are mostly licensed die cast Star Trek ships.



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Rob Hollander

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Feb 2, 2023, 7:41:19 PM2/2/23
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Thanks Jon. 

John Wood

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Feb 7, 2023, 10:54:43 AM2/7/23
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Monsters in Motion were advertisings a huge Millenium Falcon and a ATAT models made by MR on its website. No idea where they got them from.
I know one of the 3 directors was trying to selll old MR stuff claiming his fellow directors stitched him up.
I thought MR was defunct having gone bankrupt owing us a lot of money!
So WTF is going on?

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John Wood

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DA AV

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Jun 17, 2024, 1:20:55 PM6/17/24
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Hello all!

Does anyone know if there is any update to any of this? I've pretty much given up, but just in case there is info that I've not seen, I figured I'd ask.

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D

Michael M

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Jun 17, 2024, 1:25:57 PM6/17/24
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As far as I heard its over and done with. We all got screwed and they just walked away and started over. Lesson learned.

Michael McArthur

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Hello all!


Does anyone know if there is any update to any of this? I've pretty much given up, but just in case there is info that I've not seen, I figured I'd ask.

Signed,
D

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-6 jbwoo...@googlemail.com wrote:

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 at 00:38, jon allitt <jal...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a "different" Master Replicas - apparently an English entity entitled to use the original brand name (not "Master Replicas Group" which was blatantly appropriated by Steve Dymzso).

Eaglemoss did go out of business and the new MR is distributing warehoused stock - which are mostly licensed die cast Star Trek ships.



On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:29 PM Rob Hollander <rshol...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone else just get this? Why would a company resurrect under the same tarnished name? Is this for real? They seem to be blaming Eaglemoss. 

TTerrific

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Jun 17, 2024, 4:12:15 PM6/17/24
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Hello
I have not got any update.
T

Ihave Noname

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Jun 18, 2024, 4:17:10 AM6/18/24
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Hi

Still a shame we did not got it in the end. It would have been great to have it and now have it powered by ChatGTP..

We where so robbed by mister Steve!

J

Stephen Becker

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Jun 25, 2024, 6:31:07 PM6/25/24
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See my post from 11/8/2022.

Summary: Bankruptcy court gave all money to lawyers, nothing left for creditors.

Shorter summary: We were all screwed.

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