True green Polymer Structures

[DAEDALUS FOUNDATION]

Transition from tents to permanent housing in Haiti is, as you are
aware, among the most important priorities. While there are a wide
range of requirements for the recovery and restoration of Haiti—and
many organizations are answering the call—our interest in housing and
other community structures, especially in view of our experience in
Haiti over the past several years.

The performance of our housing material in Haiti was excellent. Homes
using our material survived several hurricane seasons and the
devastating earthquake. The structures met expectations and provided
confirmation of their applicability to the Haitian environment. Our
patented, award-winning material is fabricated from recycled plastic.
As pioneers in truly green technology, we turned the disposal
liability of plastic into a structural strength. Polymer structures
rely upon one of the strengths of plastics that make their disposal so
problematic: they last forever! Further, our panels are not
susceptible to the wood-dwelling insects that carry and cause Chagas
Disease, which is a problem in Haiti.

We are sending building material to Haiti to support the Lifeline
Christian Mission. Similarly, we can provide any organization with
the most economical permanent building material available that will
provide structural integrity and projected longevity, while giving the
Haitians a sense of dignity. We can produce material to meet nearly
any demand.

Many of our shelters are in Grand Goave should you want to see them.

The Daedalus Foundation is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.
Please visit our website at www.thedaedalusfoundation.org, see us on
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Contact us should you require further information.
All the best

Sunit Doshi

[tommy sanford]

Thank you for posting.

I have a problem with this statement.

Similarly, we can provide any organization with
the most economical permanent building material available that will
provide structural integrity and projected longevity, while giving the
Haitians a sense of dignity.

I have read your website, I have searched for the cost per panel.  I have yet to see a composite price for any structure.

I argue that I possess the technology for the lowest cost building on earth that meets or exceeds most building codes for structural resistance to any expected loads.

My buildings cost... 1 sack of Portland cement per 3 M2 of wall space, plus rock to make concrete. That same 3 M2 of wall would have 1/2 kilo of 12 G wire and a single 10 MM bar. 2 men should construct 12 M2 of wall a day, footing included. ( if they had a cement mixer). My costs in the Philippines were $2.20 a M2 finished.

My roof is an elevated slab ( way, way, cooler than the tin you suggest), My costs in the Philippines are $18 a M2 of roof that will last as long as a concrete slab should last.  This is slightly more than the cost of corrugated sheets and the structure that supports them here in the Philippines.

My start up costs are under $400.  In other words, if you were to use my technology, the investment for the forms for the first 20 houses or so would be $400.

I would import NOTHING new into Haiti, could you say the same?  Do you have a price after customs?

After I leave, my system would continue, as to see it is to know it, that means, Haitians would own the means for building stronger, cheaper and prettier (finished 2! sides) walls and buildings.

I am very interested in seeing your cost claims or your retraction. 

Abu

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From: DAEDALUS FOUNDATION <dos...@gmail.com>
To: Shelter Solution for Haiti <haitishelt...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: su...@thedaedalusfoundation.org
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 4:28:34 AM
Subject: True green Polymer Structures

[Ivan Olsen]

Dear Group, to ALL you good hardworking, caring people.

We are all here to Hopefully help the people of Haiti.

My first reaction to this post was, i hope this won't become a pissing contest, ""My building is better than your building, etc""

ALL ideas presented to this group are important and worth considering, and must be encouraged for people to share.

A lot of small house Ideas preposed for Haiti have a stated cost, NOT including

the customs RANSOM fees, of each House of from $1,500 to $3000. 

AND an NGO cannot buy in small quantities like 2 to 5, they are only shipped after minim order is bought, 

And the minimum order can be 100 or more. So when majority of all 10,000 NGO's cannot even consider a design,

no matter how green and strong it is, because of the upfront cost.

I find this to be a problem on matter what the cost per unit is, and hopefully TIME will come up with a solution for this problem.

Now the customs RANSOM fees can be somewhat salved by having on the "Bill of Laden" the shipped to Name,

be a REGISTERED IN HAITI NGO, and majority of the all NGO's in Haiti are not registered.

The cost of this registration can run from $1500 or more and take 6 months.

Here is one example of Registered NGO cost savings. A car or truck brought in to Haiti could cost you

$8000 in custom fees, where-as the same car brought in by an Official Registered NGO will cost $250 fee.

So if you are not a registered NGO , than don't put your name on the cargo container, partner with a registered NGO.

Abu, your house construction technique using Concrete Slab and wire, may be safe.

But after jan 12 in Haiti your design for the Roof being a Cement Slab scares me. 

It does not sound to me to be Earthquake safe from your description.

Now you concrete slabs could easily be used with the corrugated ten roof and not raise the cost too much.

And in Haiti the corrugated ten roof is the cultural norm, and with air vents just below the roof you get air flow,

So the small Haitian homes are not bad, and It is the tents in the camps that have the killer heat.

Also have you researched putting anything into the concrete mix like foam or sawdust or earth to 

make it just as strong OR stronger, and weighing less.  Also so it is easer to move or install, and safer.

Abu I missed your website or pdf in the group file could you please tell me where they are.

I definitely want to see examples and learn more about what you are doing in the Philippines.

Just the thought of one guy, trying learn from AND help others. And hoping to be living in Haiti later this year.

ivan olsen      Gonzales. CA

[tommy sanford]

Abu, your house construction technique using Concrete Slab and wire, may be safe.

But after jan 12 in Haiti your design for the Roof being a Cement Slab scares me. 

It does not sound to me to be Earthquake safe from your description.

Now you concrete slabs could easily be used with the corrugated ten roof and not raise the cost too much.

And in Haiti the corrugated ten roof is the cultural norm, and with air vents just below the roof you get air flow,

So the small Haitian homes are not bad, and It is the tents in the camps that have the killer heat.

Also have you researched putting anything into the concrete mix like foam or sawdust or earth to 

make it just as strong OR stronger, and weighing less.  Also so it is easer to move or install, and safer.

Abu I missed your website or pdf in the group file could you please tell me where they are.

I definitely want to see examples and learn more about what you are doing in the Philippines.

The fear factor is important, but, Haiti had earthquakes long before this big one.  I have lived under a tin roof before, and now live under a slab.  Slab is better.  A LOT BETTER.  Further, it provides for later expansion, as a second floor is already there.

I could not use a tin roof anyway, unless I re-engineered the walls as the roof supports the walls and vice verse in the plan I use today. My roof slab is far lighter than what most are used to as it is mostly 1.5 " thick.  The high labor part of an elevated slab is in the beams, so if you cast them on the ground, light enough to lift without equipment, the price per beam drops radically.  I figure that with a 14G wire every 2.5" i have a punch through resistance of 164 Kilo.  Ya.. no bar in my slab at all....I do not use shoring either.

Very light weight concrete has it's place.  I am totally cast in place, except my roof beams, that weigh 250 Lbs each.  Admixes have the hazard of poor mix ratios with labor of quality, resulting in soft concrete, I think they are a poor choice for the 3rd world.

I am in the Philippines as my family lives here.  I was a general contractor in CA for about 20 years.

I now live at about the 40% of the US poverty line, so development of my system is limited to the assistance of others, so no web designer has stepped up to work at a income level near my ability to pay.

I recently placed a bid for a 32M2 starter house for Habitat for Humanity here. My plan contained 6, 2.5' by 3.5' louver windows, 2 doors, slab floor, septic tank, bowel, and 2 interior walls, 2' overhang on the roof, My price was P62,000 ($1377) no power, paint, or water.

Attached is a picture of a house using my system.

Abu

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From: Ivan Olsen <ya...@att.net>
To: haitishelt...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 11:57:43 AM
Subject: {HSS} Re: True green Polymer Structures