Re: [Haïti-Nation:7245] Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle

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Emmanuelle,
What makes the US the greatest country on earth? Immigrants like you who educated yourself and work hardly to make it happen. Why do you all think negatively? I am a very optimistic fellow who always believe that tomorrow will bring the best for Ayiti, its citizens and of course for my family. It is not just Clinton Emmanuelle. It is Obama, Ban Ki Moon and Clinton with the international investors, the 323 millions from BID, and all good Ayitian patriots ready and willing to work with Mr. Clinton to develop our motherland. Stop being negative and blaming the messenger, he will not be able to do anything without our assistance. It is our country, isn'it?
Francisque
Konbit Nord-Ouest

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Emmanuelle Gilles <manu...@yahoo.fr> wrote:


From: Emmanuelle Gilles <manu...@yahoo.fr>
Subject: [Haïti-Nation:7245] Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com, grands...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 1:42 PM


















Who is talking about saving Haiti?  Is it about saving Haiti?  It would take much more than one man to save the country.  A special envoy has a specific mission, this mission is not running your country otherwise, you might as well proclaim Clinton as President of Haiti.  Maybe we should  inquire about the role of the special envoy in Haiti precisely and we can come back here and talk, otherwise we are just speculating.  Rather than taking the wrong path and expectations, let's find out what is the purpose of this mission.  Will he work towards organizing free and fair elections while following Preval's moves as he seeks to temper and manipulate the elections in favour of his mediocre party, or will he work with the government towards devising a sound economic development plan?  will he help bring foreign investment?  I don't see this in the short term.  there is a lot of ground work to be
done?  The country's stability is constantly threaten by those who do nothing but criticizing without being informed.  We know that Haiti is not ripe for foreign investment, the atmosphere does not call for it. Every Haitian is a head of state thinking that he/she has the solution and his/hers is better.  In a country where traditionally no one respect the laws, and the government has no authority to enforce the law without confrontation by interest groups or solidarity among professional groups, a country where judges and lawyers are so boldly corrupt that they have no restrain whatsoever, what can one do?  where do we start?  The problems of Haiti is not so simple if we are talking about saving Haiti.  Where in the world people are savagely destroying the country's ecology by removing sands from the mountains for profit, and the government is not able to bring it to a halt.  In Haiti, we don't just
need a President and a Government, we need "chiens de gardes" who can control the people and preserve our land so that the people know that they are not free to do what they want and that disobeying the law has a price.
 
Do not think that Clinton has the answer, but moving one step further from where we are is better than none.  We are used to vegetate and not innovate.  A special envoy is needed because we cannot have our act together.  I also recall Clinton's wrong move to restore a tyrant into power but I also recall the mass demonstrations in front of the UN building in support of JBA.  The embargo was requested by the President of Haiti himself.   Perhaps one way to start is by electing decent honorific people, geniuses who can transform our country and at the same time act as our chiens de gardes.  That is how others succeeded.  Unfortunately, the problem will not stop there - because even before they can prove to be geniuses, you would already turn against them.
 
It is now that we should analyze ourselves, our society to ascertain where the stumbling block is and what is it that obstruct our mind?  In order to act right, we have to think right.




De : Francisque Jean-Charles <lenovateur@yahoo. com>
À : VINOUSH@yahoogroupe s.fr
Envoyé le : Mardi, 26 Mai 2009, 20h57mn 49s
Objet : RE: [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle








There are white Ayitians and nine of them possess over 80% of Ayiti's wealth. What have they done? Nothing. Digicel is making money here and they are investing massively in various social activities. Who cares about Clinton's skin pigmentation or his citizenship if he could deliver the merchandise?
Clinton, you did lots of wrong to Ayiti when you recognized the Ayitian Bokassa and Taliban, JBAristide as the father of the Ayitian democracy and imposed a criminal embargo that has devastated the economy, the environment among many others. But if you are coming back to repair all damages by bringing investors to create wealth and employment, build public campus university and modern and equipped schools, etc. I welcome you and I am ready and willy to work under your leadership to develop the Northwest part of Ayiti.
Francisque
Konbit Nord-Ouest 

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Gerard <gerardetienne@ videotron. ca> wrote:


From: Gerard <gerardetienne@ videotron. ca>
Subject: RE: [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
To: VINOUSH@yahoogroupe s.fr
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 7:19 AM






RIGHT
 




De : VINOUSH@yahoogroupe s.fr [mailto:VINOUSH@ yahoogroupes. fr] De la part de Granneg Latortue
Envoyé : 25 mai 2009 12:54
À : vinoush@yahoogroupe s.fr
Objet : RE: [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
 







Un blanc pour "sauver" Haiti???
 
Has never worked, is not working, will never work.
 
Only Haitians can save Haiti, however, Haitians are currently Haiti's worst ennemies.
 
Granneg 



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From: sergeppierre@ hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:29:16 +0000
Subject: RE: [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle





 
Francisque,
 
Ce que tu proposes rejoint mes suggestions antérieures et j'y crois sérieusement.  Toi aussi tu devras rejoindre le Groupe qui pourrait rencontrer le Pro-consul américain Bill Clinton car tu sais ce dont Haiti a vraiment besoin.  Si les c... actuellement au pouvoir ne savent pas ou ne veulent pas, ou préfèrent exhaucer les voeux de leurs "sponsors", nous savons exactement ce qu'il faut pour qu'Haiti s'engage sur la voie du développement une fois pour toutes et pour tous les haitiens et haitiennes.
 
Way to go disent les américains!
 
Serge 


 

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From: lenovateur@yahoo. com
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 05:31:47 -0700
Subject: [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle






Granneg,
Si Bill Clinton peut contribuer a l'emancipation socio-economique de mon pays, je supporte sans reticence le nouveau 51e gouverneur des Etats-Unis en Ayiti. Je pense que Ban Ki Moon a une volonte manifester d'accompagner Ayiti a sortir de son mal developpement et je souhaite que les vrais patriotes seront identifies pour accompagner M Clinton dans la construction d'un Nouvel Etat, d'une Nouvelle Societe, et d'une Nouvelle Nation a travers la revolution entreprenariale. Granneg vous aviez dit que la cure poue eradiquer la pauvrete est le profit. Voila, des investisseurs etrangers vont venir creer des entreprises qui conduiront vers la creation de richesses et d'emplois. Granneg, Serge Pierre-Pierre , Stanley Lucas , Emmanuel Gilles, Joceline Elie, Daly Valet, Vava, Pierre Robert Auguste, Valery Numa, Maurice Celestin, Julien Jonathan et tous autres
patriotes oeuvrant pour le developpement durable de la mere patrie devraient rencontrer Bill Clinton dans le
plus bref des delais ( Stanley Lucas , vous pouvez arranger cette rencontre)pour discuter en profondeur le plan economique de Preval que Clinton compte executer. On ne peut pas rater cette opportunite. "Creons et distribuons la richesse ensemble" a travers massif investissement :
1. dans l'agriculture (l'auto-suffisance et la securite alimentaire et la creation d'entreprise) ,
2. dans l'education ( la construction des ecoles prescolaires, primaires, moyennes, secondaires et campus universitaires a travers une ecole commune, publique et de proximite... la necessite de nous envoyer des professeurs pendant cinq ans pour la formation des cadres dans plusieurs domaines delivrant des maitrises, des doctorats, etc...)
3. dans la sante (la construction des centres medicaux dans chaque commune, des dispensaires dans chaque setion communales
et au moins deux hopitaux regionaux)
4. des infrastructures routieres, aeroportuaires, portuaires et energetiques.
Il faut des ajoux dans le plan de Preval et la decentralisation doit etre prioritaire. Mesieurs et dames, vous etes dans la diaspora, multiplier les demarches pour vous asseoir avec Clinton et faire en soi que vous faites partie de son equipe pour sorite la mere-patrie de l'embroglio de misere et de sous-developpement. Ayiti doit proposer et Clinton doit l'accompagner avec des moyens techniques et financiers.

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, zili danto <erzilidanto@ yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: zili danto <erzilidanto@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Haïti-Nation: 7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
> To: haiti-nation@ googlegroups. com, debanasyonal@ yahoogroups. com, grandsdebats@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:09 PM
> Granneg,
>
> I'm finding consensus with your e-mail lately, so this
> is not to disagree that Bill Clinton is the new face of UN
> protectorate of Haiti, only to add that Haiti has been under
> UN protectorate since before this new Clinton 2009
> appointment. But as I wrote back then:
>
> Can
>                       the Devil bind Gods and
Goddesses?
> Of, course not
>
>                       (In
>                     
> Kreyol)
>                     by
>                        Marguerite Laurent , Haitian Perspectives,
>                       March 7,
> 2006
>
>
> Eske
> Lagrandyab ka Mare
>                 Lespri Zanset yo? Non
>
>                 by Marguerite Laurent , March 6, 2006 |
> Tradiksyon kreyol la se
>             
   travay pwofesè Frantz Jerome
>
>                 
>
>                 *
>
>                 Onè Respè lasosyete
>
>                 
>
>                 Pèp Ayisyen an pa janm rekonèt gouvèlman
>
>                 Latorti a kòm yon gouvèlman lejitim, menm
> jan tout
>                 kominote entènasyonal lan pa rekonèt li
> tou.
>
>                 
>
>             
   Plis pase yon tyè peyi ki nan Nasyonzini
> yo pa ofisyèlman
>                 rekonèt rejim Latòti a kòm gouvèlman
>                 lejitim pèp Ayisyen. Kididonk 53 peyi
> L’Afrik, KARIKÒM
>                 ak 15 peyi, mete ak Venezwela ak Kiba pou
> di gouvèlman
>                 Latòti a se defakto. Note byen, ni
> majorite Ayisyen nan
>                 dyaspora a, ni eli Nwa Meriken nan kongrè
> an pa rekonèt
>                 yo non plis.
>
>                 
>
>   
             Ansanm ansanm nou kanpe janm depi 29
> fevriye 2004, ansanm ansanm
>                 n ap repran soverènte peyi d’Ayiti. Epi
> tou, lò
>                 kakachat lan deyò sou ti gwoup gangster
> kriminèl
>                 ak levit yo, lemondantye ap kanpe avè n,
> paske nou kanpe
>                 pou demokrasi, lalwa ansanm ak prensip mèt
> tèt nou
>                 antan ke moun ki lib.
>
>                 
>
>                 Nou pa kanpe sou lafòs, oubyen
sou bay
> prezidan lejitim
>                 panzou nan makonay manti, demagoji,
> pwopagann ak vyolasyon lalwa.
>                 Nou pa kanpe sou represyon ak tirani oubyen
> sou bay pwofi louch
>                 plis valè pase prensip byen viv ak moun.
> Men, libète
>                 ak egalite, rèv prensip sakre moun
> toupatou ap dòlote,
>                 prensip sakre sa a ki jounen jodia ou ti
> gwoup kriminèl
>                 a levit, manm aderan Wachington (kabal
> neoliberal) ak vivi restavatèk
>             
   yo k ap lage tout pwa yo pou pilonnen anba
> pye moun sa yo ki te
>                 mete yo opouvwa, e ke yo te di yap
> reprezante, pwoteje e respekte.
>
>                 
>
>                 Annefè, kadejak yo fè sou knostitisyon
> Ayisyen an
>                 ansanm ak lwa entènasyonal yo pèmèt yo
> mete
>                 rejim Bokaraton lan opouvwa. Mentou, pèp
> Ayisyen ap goumen
>                 depi de lane pou fòse gwo jera ak gang ras
> kabrit Ayisyen
>                 Arab lan
wete pye sou kou l. Batay la ap
> kontinye. Mesaj k ap
>                 sikile di Lilian Pyèpòl ansanm ak yon
> dividal fachis
>                 nazi group 184 lan di yo ta pito blan okipe
> peyi a pase yo kite
>                 prezidan pèp la eli a, Rene Preval, pran
> pouvwa a.
>
>                 
>
>                 Konsèy Sekirite nasyonzini an fè yon
> alyans ILEGAL
>                 ak ti klik Ayisyen antidemokratik lan.
> Alyans sa a an kontravansyon
>                 ak manman lwa peyi d’Ayiti,
manda
> Nasyonzini ak lwa entènasyonal
>                 yo, depi 29 fevrie 2004. Anyen pa chanje,
> se protektora yo tap
>                 chache an 2003 lè machand koudeta yo tap
> rankontre nan
>                 Otawa, epitou se objektif yo jounen jodi a.
> Yo te jwe “kat
>                 Aristide lan” pou vire lòlòj sa yo ki
> te pre
>                 pou vann peyi a.
>
>                 
>
>                 Men tou, tout moun alawonnbade dwe konnen
> pèp Ayityien
>       
         se granmoun lakay li, li gen tradisyon lit
> liberasyon depi ti
>                 konkonm tap goumen akberejenn, anvan 1791
> ak Bwa Kayiman. Nou
>                 te premye Afriken blan te kidnape mennen
> nan kontinan sa a. E
>                 nou te premye epi anmenm tan tou, sèl,
> esklav Afriken ki
>                 genyen endepandans yo nan batay kont blan k
> te sou teren an ansanm
>                 ak peyi Eròp/Amerik ki tap kapitalize sou
> rejim esklavaj.
>                 Premye peyi tou ki tegen pou l peye, an
> lajan
toutbon vre, depase
>                 21.7 bilyon dola meriken jounen jodi a, pou
> endepandans yo. Dènye
>                 vèsman peman komès esklav lan, nou peye l
> an 1947,
>                 bay peyi ki nan moman an te gen plis lajan
> ak plis fòs
>                 sou tè a: Lèzetazini
> d’Amerik!
>               
>
>                 Vire n tounen n, sa ki pòv ann Ayiti yo pa
> janm sispann
>                 peye pou libète yo. Jouk lòtjou a, soti
> fevrie 2004
>           
     rive jounen jodi a, ak san plis pase 20,000
> pòv Ayisyen,
>                 pou Boulos, Apaid, Guy Phillip, Lilianne
> Pierre-Paul ak bòs
>                 etranje yo seye fè eleksyon malachong, met
> yon vèni
>                 “demokrasi” sou tirani yo an. Sa pat
> mache, paske
>                 pèp Ayisyen se pèp ki pi vanyan sou
> planet lan,
>                 lò l ap defann koze libète.
>
>                 
>
>                 Toujousètil, Lilianne Pierre-Paul yo,
> Boulos
yo, Apaid
>                 yo, Baker yo, Yourie Latòti yo, Stanley
> Lucas-yo, kidnapè
>                 yo a ki rele Guy Philippe la, tout panzouis
> sa yo ki kenbe lajistis
>                 Ayisyen ak lalwa annotaj pou satisfè apeti
> tilolit yo ak
>                 enterè pèsonèl yo, makonnen ak moun kap
> fè
>                 ekskiz pou yo yo, pap janm admèt yo pèdi
> batay la.
>                 Yo sèmante yo pito ret ak blan, nan
> protektora, pase yo
>                 admèt pèp la gen dwa patisipe nan
zafè
> peyi
>                 l. Nan objektif sa a, yap chache fè vòt
> pèp
>                 la vin blèm. Vire vòt 7 fevrie a an yon
> senp “poldopinyon”,
>                 granmèsi jarèt yo resevwa nan men Otawa,
> Washington,
>                 Paris ak Nasyonzini.
>
>                 
>
>                 Men noumenm Ayisyen nou batay kont depi se
> anbasadè ak
>                 lòt reprezantan Meriken ann Ayiti ki vin
> pote instabilite,
>             
   divizyon, polarizasyon nan sosyete nou an.
> Sila yo ki vin kore
>                 gouvèlman paralèl anfas gouvèlman pèp
>                 Ayisyen eli a. Nou toujou kanpe janm, jouk
> laviktwa final, kèlkeswa
>                 lè yo tounen, devan sak kwè yo pi
> entelijan yo,
>                 sa k gen plis koneksyon yo, sa k pi rich
> yo, ak sa ki monopolize
>                 plis resous lemond yo.
>
>                 Nap kontinye kanpe janm, paske verite,
> desans ak bonte, se sa
>             
   nou ofri. Paske pèp Ayisyen ofri Bondye ki
> andedan l lan,
>                 sa li ye a. Pa gen zam demon ki ka oubyen
> kap JAMEN detwi nou.
>
>                 
>
>                 Noumenm Ayisyen nan dyaspora a, noumenm
> Ayisyen nan HLLN (Haitian
>                 Lawyers Leadership Network), ansanm ak vre
> zanmi ki sot nan tout
>                 peyi, noumenm Ayisyen ki konnen kilès nou
> ye epitou bon
>                 bagay kap viv andedan nou, “Neocons”
> toupwisan yo
>             
   ap chache kriminalize, nap toujou kontinye
> kanpe, doubout kòm
>                 yon sèl VWA, yon sèl KONSYANS, yon sèl
> FÒS
>                 ak pèp Ayisyen an, ak noumenm, pou sa nou
> ye. Nou pap bat
>                 ba devan tirani, menm si li se granmèsi
> fòs ki pi
>                 rich e ki pi devlope nan “nouvèl òd”
>                 mondyal lan, pou zanset yo e timoun yo,
> epitou paske glwa nou
>                 se deske nou fèt Ayisyen. Ayiti pat yon
> kado blan te kite
>             
   pou nou. Se san zansèt nou yo ki te koule
> pi wouj pase
>                 tout lajè Oseyan Atlantik lan. Pa gen
> rejim ilegal “Bokaratonn”
>                 yo fòse nan ti gòjèt nou kap vin fè
>                 kolon blan kado peyi a. Sou san esklav
> Afriken yo k te koule,
>                 sou mizè “holocaust” esklavaj Afriken
> an, noumenm
>                 Ayisyen nou sèmante swasandisèt fwa sèt
> fwa
>                 bagay sa a pap pase!
>
>                 
>
> 
               Kolon blan yo vòlò 300 ane nan lavi pèp
> nou
>                 an epi kenbe nou nan povrete pou 200 zan k
> sot pase la a pou n
>                 ka peye pou endepandans nou. Dènye vèsman
> an se
>                 an 1947 nou fè l bay peyi Meriken, li menm
> menm ka p pranpòz
>                 aprann nou koze demokrasi, lalwa,
> lajistis.
>
>                 
>
>                 Dife zansèt nou yo, yo menm ki mete
> libète an aplikasyon
>             
   an premye. Dife ki nan DNA nou an ta toufe
> n anvan l kite kolon
>                 pran Ayiti ankò, kite Ayisyen tounen nan
> esklavaj.
>
>                 
>
>                 Anyen menm, okenn aranjman, okenn kontra,
> okenn trete, okenn akò,
>                 okenn pak ak demon, gouvèlman ilegal Boca
> Raton lan, sa
>                 yo te fòse nan ti gòjèt nou an, osnon
> kèlkeswa
>                 group 184 la ki proklame tèt li
> “fòmann”
>                 pou Ayiti, siyen nan
non pèp Ayisyen an pa
> legal. Nap rapousiv
>                 al pi lwen pou n di pa gen pawòl,
> kèlkeswa jan yo
>                 vire dada yo pou ofisyalize koudeta a k ap
> pase. Ofèt,
>                 pagen yayad sou latè ki ka bat Gede pèp
> Ayisyen.
>                 Ki jan Konsèy Sekirite Nasyonzini oubyen
> Latòti
>                 ta fè konprann pèp Ayisyen ap okipe jan
> yap vire
>                 dada yo? Nou bat tanbou n, nou danse l. Se
> sèl sa ki enpòtan
>                 pou nou. Epitou, nou
konnen trè bye,
> majorite pèp
>                 Ayisyen, “Black Caucus” Kongrè
> Ameriken an,
>                 Inyon Peyi Afriken yo oubyen CARICOM pa
> konsidere rejim Bokaratonn
>                 lan kòm gouvèlman legal.
>
>                 
>
>                 Akò 22 Fevriye 2006 sa a pa pi enpòtan
> pase akò
>                 ki te voye MINUSTHA ann Ayiti a. Yon
> MINUSTHA ki mennen solda
>                 ki sot nan peyi ki pi pa konn sak demokrasi
> sou latè, ikonpri
>   
             la Chin ak la Jòdani, pou vin ide
> “demokrasi”
>                 ann Ayiti. Yon MINUSTHA nou tande ki pwal
> pran jij sot toupatou
>                 sou latè, menm Mauritanie – ou peyi kote
> esklavaj
>                 toujou akseptab – pou vin “ide
> refòm”
>                 nan lajistis ann Ayiti.
>
>                 
>
>                 Nap souliye l ankò, batay la se pou
> diyite, respè
>                 ak dwa granmoun Ayisyen. Lenmi nou
yo
> konnen trè byen pèp
>                 Ayisyenn konn plis sou koze Kooperasyon,
> koekzistans ak imilite
>                 pase tout gwo pyisans nan Konsèy Sekirite,
> Ottawa, Washington
>                 ak La Frans ki te pote yon lòt koudeta bay
> pèp Ayisyen
>                 ann. Lenmi nou yo se tout sa yo ki kore
> Latòti, asasen
>                 li yo ak kriminèl entènasyonal li yo.
>
>                 
>
>                 Noumenm pèp Ayisyen, ak metòd ki baze sou
> prensip
> 
               lapè, nap eksplate pwa kriminèl yo pou
> repran libète
>                 nou. Batay la fèk komanse.
>
>                 
>
>                 Si malfektè yo pa vle kite Ayiti viv lib,
> Ayiti, ti Ayiti,
>                 Ayiti pòv lan ap montre lemondantye ke
> pagen anyen k pi
>                 enpòtan pase libète. Gouja vagabon yo
> rele kolon
>                 anbachal sa yo (Neocons) gendwa toupizi
> lemondantye, mentou, Ayisyen
>                 ap
batay kont esklavaj epi montre zòt yo
> ki anba chenn,
>                 jan batay liberasyon dwe fèt! Libète ou
> Lamò!
>
>                 
>
>                 Se eritaj nou e nou mete l ann aplikasyon
> pou limanite.
>
>                 
>
>                 Okenn nan akò, trete oubyen kontra
> gouvèlman illegal
>                 Latòti a siyen pa enplike pèp souvren,
> majorite
>                 noumenm nan dyaspora a epitou yo pa gen
> okenn vale legal oubyen
>     
           moral. Yo pap janm genyen l.
>
>                 
>
>                  Marguerite Laurent , Esq.
>
>                 Chair and Founder,
>                 Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network
> ("HLLN")
>
>                 (Dedicated to protecting the civil,
> cultural and human rights
>                 of Haitians living at home and abroad and
> to institutionalizing
>                 the rule of law)
>
>             
   March 7, 2006
> --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Granneg Latortue
> <granneg@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: Granneg Latortue <granneg@hotmail. com>
> Subject: [Haïti-Nation: 7006] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
> To: vinoush@yahoogroupe s.fr, haiti-nation@ googlegroups. com
> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 5:00 PM
>
>
>
>
> #yiv707976939 #yiv1879448270 .hmmessage P
> {
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>
> RE: [VINOUSH] JEU POLITIQUE ENTRE
> WASHINGTON, L’ONU ET PRÉVAL
>
>  
>
> Mozart,
>
>
> 1) Bill Clinton "Délégué
> spécial" ONU en Haiti = Plein Pouvoirs avec ONU, USA
> (Barack), Europe, secteur Privé mondial, 12,000 soldats
> MINUSTAH.
>
>  
>
> 2) + Hillary Clinton Chef State Dept,
> AID, ONGs.
>
>  
>
> 3) Bill + Hillary = ONU +AID +ONG +MINUSTAH +US Army
> +secteur privé
>
>   mondial (pour Haiti)=199.99%
> budget et dépenses sociales en Haiti.
>
>  
>
> Et Mozart Ajoute:
>
> 5) Bill Clinton "objectif primaire est
> de convaincre René Préval des « menaces à la stabilité
> démocratique». " ?????
>
>
 
>
> NON!!!!!
>
>  
>
> Bill Clinton = Président d'Haiti sous
> tutelle officielle a 199.99%
>
>  
>
> Correction:
>
> 5) L'objectif de René Préval est de convaincre
> Bill Clinton ...
>
>  
>
>  
>
> - Bien comprendre la mise
> sous tutelle prédite par Granneg sur ce forum pour Fin 2009
> ou début 2010.
>
>  
>
> - APALIPAPA.
>
>  
>
> Mauvaise prediction de
> Granneg!
>
> Mise sous tutelle
> prédite pour fin 09 ou début 2010 a eu lieu pendant la
> 1ere moitié de 2009!  
>
>  
>
> Granneg sa-a bon oui!
>
>  
>
> J'observe, je ne juge pas.
>
>  
>
> Lavalasse is dead!
> Haiti
sous tutelle!
> Clinton is President!
>
>  
>
> Any Problems with that????
>
>  
>
> Granneg
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> To: grandsdebats@ yahoogroups. com
> CC: VINOUSH@yahoogroupe s.fr
> From: mozartderoneth@ haitisciencespo. org
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 05:38:08 -0700
> Subject: [VINOUSH] JEU POLITIQUE ENTRE WASHINGTON, L’ONU
> ET PRÉVAL
>
> JEU POLITIQUE ENTRE WASHINGTON, L'ONU ET PRÉVAL
>
>
> Malgré le tir raté du
ballon Latortue, l'ONU et
> Washington repartent
>
> à l'offensive en Haïti avec cette fois Bill Clinton
> comme homme de pointe.
>
>  
>
> Sa mission politique consiste a intercepter
> l'alternance du pouvoir en 2010.
>
> Son objectif primaire est de convaincre René Préval des
> « menaces à la stabilité
>
> démocratique ».
>
>  
>
> Il sert de relais et de tampon entre les deux forces
> internationales.
>
> Quid du Brésil et de l'équation populaire.
>
>
> www.haitisciencespo .org
>
> www.haitisciencespo .com
>
> www.haitisciencespo .net
>
>
> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®.
> See
> how.
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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>
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> démocratique de l'association Action Pour le
> Développement D'Haïti -Apodha.
> 
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[Emmanuelle Gilles]

Francisque,
We are more or less on the same wavelength.  I do believe that the nomination of Clinton is a positive thing for us as I said before.  You probably read me wrong.  In response to Granneg's position,I said that the idea is not to save Haiti but to take advantage of what he can offer and that it would take more than one man to save Haiti.  Rather than displaying pessimistic views about this mission or nourishing false expectations such as saving Haiti or casting doubt about the mission, when the country is in dire need of technical assistance,  it would be better to inquire about the objective of this mission and we can then  discuss more objectively rather than speculating.  Of course, you cannot deny the numerous problems that we face in the country, the institutional barriers which I mentioned earlier.  Even if Clinton were to assist us in devising a good economic plan, there are other underlying obstacles that must be
overcomed. Certainly, it would be difficult to deal with both the structural problems as well as the economic challenges.  I believe that your message is directed more towards those who view this mission negatively.  As for me, this is not only a positive move but an excellent one for us at this juncture.


----- Message d'origine ----
De : "lenov...@yahoo.com" <lenov...@yahoo.com>
À : haiti-...@googlegroups.com
Envoyé le : Mercredi, 27 Mai 2009, 20h49mn 50s
Objet : [Haïti-Nation:7251] Re: Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle

[Francisque Jean-Charles]

Emmanuelle,
I apologize for misreading you and you know that I love and respect you as a great patriot. Again, let'us follow Serge and others to do all we can to assist Mr. Clinton in the construction of a new state, a new society and a new nation. "Let's Create and distribute together the wealth" through universal schooling, local or regional agriculture, health care facilities, and road and energetic infrastructures. Viva Ayiti because the best is yet to come. By the way, what do you know about the candidature of doctor Guy Theodore?

[georges celcis]

Mr. Francisque, Mr. Gilles;
 
Allow me to congratulate both of you.  You both have hit the nail on the head: we have no choice but to be positive about Mr. Cllinton's arrival on the scene and we need a consensual vision for our country.  This is an indispenable element of the equation if we want to be on the road to a stable, long term development. 
 
What is the Haititan dream???

I do not know you.  I hope you are young and strong, full of willpower and tenacity: your country needs you!  You guys should get together.
 
God bless you and God bless the republic of haiti!
 
GMC
 
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:05:59 +0000
> From: manu...@yahoo.fr
> Subject: [Haïti-Nation:7254] Re : [Haïti-Nation:7251] Re: Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
> To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com

[Francisque Jean-Charles]

Mr. Celcis,
I am already here in the Northwest part of Ayiti and ready and willing to start working. I am 50 years old but I call myself "an advanced young man".
Francisque
KNO

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, georges celcis <ge...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: georges celcis <ge...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Haïti-Nation:7260] Re: Re : [Haïti-Nation:7251] Re: Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
> To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:43 PM
>
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[Paul Emmanuel Gay]

Dear Mr. Celcis,   I am happy to see you join the on line debate. I don't know how long you have been there .   Anyways, I am sure that you have a lot to bring to the debate. you are very experimented in many ways. You have seen the world and you know how it works.  So I think that your input can be very useful to the people of Haiti.   May God bless you,   Over the course of the years I come to realize that "all is vanity.  Vanity of vanities" saith Ecclesiastes. So "Let us be our brothers' keeper. Let us be our sisters' keeper". scripture tells us. let us find that common stake we all have in one another and let's our policies reflect that spirit as well for what we will and must achieve tomorrow.

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, georges celcis <ge...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: georges celcis <ge...@hotmail.com> Subject: [Haïti-Nation:7260] Re: Re : [Haïti-Nation:7251] Re: Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:43 PM

[Granneg Latortue]

 
"I instructed my mother on the various ways that foreign donors and international development organisations like the one she was working for bred dependence in the third world"
 
Barack Obama - Dreams from my father, page 123
 
Buy it, read it for yourself.
 
----------------------------------------------------------
Look what Granneg started!!! These Granneg ideas are miles long below!!!!
 
I said:
 
- Haiti sous tutelle
- Lavalase is dead.  (second time I said this)
 
This time, all are ignoring the "lavalasse is dead" part.  It is now accepted as a fact, as opposed to when I said it and got nasty negative feedback.
 
To the "Haiti sous tutelle" statement", I  getting feedback:
 
- we have no choice but to be positive about Mr. Cllinton's arrival on the scene.
we have no choice but to accept it?? what do the real Haitians in Haiti think?? Not potoprinss, but deep Haitians?? Caco on the way???

- the country is in dire need of technical assistance,  it would be better to inquire about the objective of this mission and we can then  discuss more objectively rather than speculating.
"technical assistance"???  We need cultural and attitude assistance as #1 priority.
IF Clinton does something for Haiti, he will use Haitians to do it. ALL the parts are there. It's just the insecure and negative Haitians that keep anything from happening.
Graisse cochon ki cuitt cochon.  Haitians are worst ennemies of Haiti.
 
- "In a country where traditionally no one respect the laws" - from Gilles
GOOD! The starting point is to re-do completely the basis of Haitian legal system.  This is not a reform. It is a complete reinvention of the Napoleonic code that is still the spirit of Haitian law. 
1) I propose the basis is US commercial law. Haitian law is based on old french commercial law that is outdated and has been changed in france - but not in Haiti. Can the crap. send it back to that weird Corsican Napoleon.
 
2) Then move on to property law, land titles registered in a court, not these interminable recitals that can be easyli forged by amateurs. Source of too many fraudulent activities by lawyers, magistrates, police, judges.
LAND OWNERSHIP ALL OVER THE WORLD IS REASON FOR SON KILL FATHER, MOTHER KILLS CHILDREN, ETC...USA or Japan, or Italy.  Land is a killer.  get that in complete order.
 
NB: certain lawyers and economic interest will pay someone to kill you for this effort.  Be a patriot and die for your country, but do it!
------
Those 2 are the basis for economic development, not agriculture, education, roads.  Those are too classic, stuff that International orgs use to mislead poor innocent countries.
Dont get me wrong, agriculture, education, roads, are important, but the beginning is JUSTICE, followed by COMMERCIAL LAW and LAND/REAL ESTATE law.
 
Lawyer Zili for President???
 
If THAT legal work is not done first, all that follows is useless waste of time and effort.
It it is done, it will lay the FOUNDATION for all other efforts to come.
 
LAW #1
Haiti IS an African State.  Let us change the Constitution, vote on it for approval:
 
Article 1 - The Haitian Constitution is subject to any United African Constitution signed by 30 or more African states.  Haiti is automatically a member of any such African Union.
 
L'Union fait la Force.
 
Will Clinton go there??????
Absolutely not!
 
Granneg
 

---

Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:48:16 -0700
From: paulemm...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Haïti-Nation:7301] Re: Re : [Haïti-Nation:7251] Re: Tr : Re : [VINOUSH] Re: [Haïti-Nation:7015] Granneg: Haiti-tutelle
To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com
CC: ge...@hotmail.com

[Francisque Jean-Charles]

Granneg, I am very confused this time. Did you say to make Ayiti an African state? Is that what you really said. I am waiting for your answer before I respond. I wouldn't want to insult someone that I love and respect. Francisque KNO --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Granneg Latortue <gra...@hotmail.com> wrote: