Aujourd'hui une guerre ouverte semble avoir été déclarée contre le voudou ou entre les religions du pays comme si le vodou ou une autre religion quelconque était responsable des maux d'Haïti comme si la religion, le vodou étaient les principales causes de nos malheurs, de notre déchéance en tant que peuple! Tout cela semble un subterfuge pour voiler notre lâcheté criarde en tant que peuple dont la gloire fut d'avoir jadis chassé les blancs de notre territoire et d'avoir proclamé la première République noire de l'hémisphère occidental!
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| Serge, Je ne te suis pas. Depuis trois ans ton ami KB appelle à la guerre contre les vodouisants. Pourtant de plus en plus les liens entre vous deux se resserrent à travers votre mouvement fictif UMPP. Cela veut dire que tu partages ses idées. Appeler à éradiquer une religion sous prétexte de réhabilitation de la nation c'est du fascisme. Hitler n'avait pas voulu exterminer les juifs, les tsiganes et les noirs pour son propre compte mais bien pour la régénérescence de la race aryenne. Cette régénérescence passait également par l'élimination des hadicapés qui pouvaient potentiellement disséminer leur mauvais gênes dans la société. parfois, je suis révoltés. Car il y a tellement de textes à notre portée, je me demande comment des gens qui savent lire peuvent être aussi bornés voire stupides. Franchement, je pense qu'il est plus facile de comprendre les schèmes de pensée d'un Ben Laden (pourtant je ne suis pas spécialiste du terrorisme) que ceux d'un religieux, dont la propre religion est considérée presque partout en Europe comme une secte, qui prétend en éradiquer d'autres pratiques religieuses... Tu sais moi, je regarde l'histoire dans son ensemble. J'essaie de prévoir les retombées possibles de certains discours. Parfois j'ai du mal à me faire comprendre, mais c'est moi... La position de Zago et KB me fait étrangement penser à l'atmosphère qui régnait au Rwanda avant le génocide (il y a un très bon film la-dessus). Tu sais en situation de grande détresse il est très facile de monter une partie de la population contre l'autre. On ne joue pas avec le feu sur une poudrière. Et c'est ce que font tes amis. Alors une question simple, te désolidarises-tu de Kenny Bastien ou pas? Bien à toi RL --- En date de : Mar 9.3.10, Stanley Lucas <centuri...@gmail.com> a écrit : |
je suis tout a fait avec vous Stanley Lucas,
la guerre de religion ne nous menerait nulle part
au contraire cela ne fait que nous enfoncer dans le chaos
voyez ce qui se passe actuellement au Nigeria entre les chretiens et les musulmans dans la region de Joos. hier plus de 200 personnes (chretiens) ont ete assassinees par des musulmans.
eske se sa nou ta swete pou peyi nou?
travaillons pour le bien etre de notre nation
Jonas Laurince |
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PFA,
je suis de votre cote souerette et avec vous. Je suis fier d'etre un vodouisant.
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From: Francisque Jean-Charles <lenov...@yahoo.com>
To: haiti-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:25:42 PM
Subject: Re: [www.haïti-nation.com:21024] Re: Vaudouisants-Protestants : la guerre?
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Il est surprenant de voir à quel point et malgré toute notre éducation, nous faisons en 2010 encore preuve d’une telle intolérance envers une autre religion.
J’ai oublié … le vodou n’est qu’une croyance, pas une religion ! Ca me rappelle des discussions des années 80 appelant le créole un dialecte, pas une langue, car et je cite, « il est dérivé du français »… et le français alors ? N’est-il pas dérivé du latin ?
J’ai oublié … le vodou a commis des crimes contre l’humanité ! Beaucoup de crimes ont été commis au nom d’une religion ou d’une autre, mais il y a seulement une religion qui a commis des crimes contre l’humanité et c’est la religion catholique avec ses croisades, l’inquisition, la persécution des sorcières et la christianisation des colonies, telles qu’Haïti, le Mexique etc.…etc.
J’ai oublié … les prêtres vodou tuent sur commande, nous empoissonnent et nous transformes en zombies ! Ils se servent des poupées remplies d’épingles ! Mettons Hollywood avec Indiana Jones et The Snake and the Rainbow pour le moment à coté. La magie noire, omniprésent dans la religion catholique depuis sa création, fait-elle partie de notre visite à l’église le dimanche ? Je ne pense pas. Pourquoi alors tout mélanger dans le vodou ? D’ailleurs d’où vient le mot Hocus Pocus ? Du temps de la persécution des chrétiens dans l’ancien Rome, quand on disait que les suivants d’un certain Jésus mangeaient de la chair humaine et buvaient du sang pendant que leurs prêtres murmuraient « Hoc est corpus meus ».
J’ai oublié… le vodou est « un culte de sorciers terroristes et sorcières méchantes », qui -entre autre- sacrifie des bébés et les écrase dans un pilon ! …et comme preuve on cite le témoignage de cette femme qui a été présente pendant que le Président Aristide faisait soit-disant une cérémonie. J’ai aussi entendu ce temoignage – personnellement – ce n’était pas une tiers personne qui me l’a répété en ajoutant des beaux détails sanguinaires : Elle a dit qu’on est venu avec un objet, enveloppé dans un tissu blanc et « qu’on lui a dit que c’était un bébé ». Elle n’a jamais vu qui ou quoi était vraiment dans le paquet.
J’ai oublié … le vodou empêche le progrès. Bien sûr et je suis d’accord avec vous, c’est tellement plus facile et agréable de rendre quelqu’un d’autre, et encore mieux une religion, responsable de nos défaillances et erreurs. Alors, ce n’était visiblement pas notre faute. L’eternel « se pa fòt mwen » au plus beau.
Toutes les religions sont des régulateurs de société ; elles ont été créées par l’homme pour s’expliquer les phénomènes naturels et pour calmer notre peur de l’inconnu. Beaucoup d’entre elles sont basées sur la lutte du Bon contre le Mal. Dans le passée, il fallait vaincre un peuple et vaincre sa religion, en construisant une maison de culte sur la maison de culte existante. Comme mentionné auparavant, la religion catholique était un champion d’intolérance, exterminant des millions de personnes avec le prétexte qu'elles n'avaient pas choisi Jésus Christ.
Le protestantisme, malgré dénonciateur de l’intolérance catholique, s’est développé surtout aux USA en une religion à multiples branches, dont certains sont extrêmement intolérantes et agressives. …
… tout ceci au nom de Jésus qui -bizarrement- est le symbole de l’amour et de la tolérance.
En Haïti, je pense, la plupart d’hommes et femmes religieuses font un travail extraordinaire en prêchant la non-violence, la paix et l’amour – peu importe, si nous visitons les catholiques, protestants, musulman ou vodouisants. Grace à eux, nous n’avons pas plus de délinquants, plus de crimes – un fait étonnant, si nous regardons les énormes différences économiques dans notre pays.
Malheureusement – et nous avons pu le voir dernièrement – un homme d’église (mosquée, temple etc…) est aussi un personnage extrêmement influant, qui, en jouant avec notre cerveau, peut créer une campagne de haine sans égal, incitant par exemple des citoyens paisibles à bruler des « ennemis communs ».
Le fanatisme est toujours dangereux – mais quand il est mélangé avec une croyance quelconque, il devient diabolique.
Nous ne vivons plus au moyen âge – le diable n’est plus vivant dans tous les évènements catastrophiques ; nous avons, je pense, atteint quand même un certain niveau de civilisation et nous vivons, depuis 500 ans maintenant, dans un monde qui s’explique de plus en plus par les découvertes de la science.
Je ne discute jamais les croyances ni les religions – c’est l’affaire privé de chacun de nous et il faudrait que nous ayons - aujourd’hui, au 21eme siècle – suffisamment de la maturité pour respecter le choix et la préférence de l’autre.
Bon dimanche à tous – honorons le jour du Seigneur en acceptant l’autre – même s’il n’est pas de notre opinion ou religion.
Anne-Rose Schoen
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PFA,
Kenny ne serait etre un usurpateur de titre. Ce serait une deception pour moi personnellement.
Francisque du KNO |
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![]() Company information: Mona Vie California United States Here is Dr Ralph Carson Mona Vie Con Man !! Past history Fake doctor !! History of Donsbach University During the mid-1970s, Donsbach affiliated with Union University, a nonaccredited school in Los Angeles. During 1977, Union formed a nutrition department with Donsbach as its "dean" and he allegedly acquired MS and PhD "degrees" in nutrition from the school. Donsbach subsequently launched and became president of his own school, Donsbach University, which in 1979 became "authorized" by California to grant degrees. This status had nothing to do with accreditation or other academic recognition, but merely required the filing of an affidavit which described the school's program and asserted that it had at least $50, 000 in assets. Donsbach University, which operated mainly by mail, initially offered courses leading to B.S., M.S. and Ph.D. "degrees" in nutrition. Its original "catalog" was a 4-page flyer. The original "faculty" had seven members, including Donsbach, Alan H. Nittler, M.D., and Ray Yancy, an unlicensed practitioner of iridology. Its 16-person advisory advisory board included Nittler, Richard Passwater, "Ph.D., " Betty Morales, Benjamin Colimore, "Ph.D, " and Bruce Halstead, M.D. * Nittler's California medical license had been revoked in 1975 because he practiced unscientific "nutritional therapies." * Passwater's "degree" was issued by Bernadean University, a nonaccredited correspondence school that was located in Nevada but was not authorized to operate within the state or to grant degrees. * Morales marketed dietary supplements and performed "nutritional consultation" by mail. Some of her products were marketed with illegal therapeutic claims. In 1976, she recommended a long list of useless products in response to an inquiry from me that described the symptoms of blurred vision characteristic of glaucoma. * Colimore's "Ph.D." was issued by Donsbach University. In 1980, he and his wife were prosecuted by the Los Angeles City Attorney for conduct during the operation of their health food store. Prosecution was initiated after a customer complained that the Colimores had diagnosed a bad heart valve, pancreatic abscesses and benign growths of her liver, intestine and stomach -- all based on an analysis of her hair -- and prescribed two products from the store. After pleading "no contest" to one count of practicing medicine without a license, the Colimores were fined $2, 000, given a 60-day suspended jail sentence, and placed on probation for two years. * Halstead was convicted in 1987 in the State of California of 24 counts of fraud for prescribing an "herbal tea" to cancer patients. The original catalog listed 14 "textbooks" required for the "core curriculum." Four of these were actual textbooks, but the rest were books written for the general public by promoters of questionable nutrition practices who recommend dietary supplements for the prevention and/or treatment of a wide range of diseases. In addition to Donsbach, these included Carlton Fredericks and Lendon Smith. Fredericks, who had no formal nutrition training, was convicted of practicing medicine without a license in New York in 1945. Smith, a pediatrician, was placed on probation by the Oregon Board of Medical Examiners from 1971 through 1979 for "inappropriate prescribing of drugs" to adult heroin addicts. In 1988, he permanently surrendered his license to settle charges of insurance fraud filed by the Oregon Board. The catalog also listed 18 textbooks under the "Advanced Graduate Study" program. Of these, 15 were not recognized textbooks but were written by promoters of questionable nutrition practices who recommend dietary supplements for the prevention and/or treatment of a wide range of diseases. The authors included Donsbach, Smith, the Colimores, Passwater (2), and Emory Thurston, Ph.D., who in 1973 was convicted, fined and placed on two years' probation in the State of California after selling laetrile to a woman who told him she had cancer. The 1981 Donsbach University tuition schedule listed a registration fee of $100 and a tuition fee of $3, 045, with a 20% discount for prepayment. In 1985, the MS/Ph.D. tuition was $4, 495 with a 20% discount for prepayment. Donsbach claims that the school served over 4, 000 students. The significance of this number is unclear. Phony Accreditation In catalogs and advertisements during the early 1980s, Donsbach University maintained that it was accredited by the National Accreditation Association (NAA). This "agency" was bogus. It was created in 1980 by a California chiropractor and two members of his family. A few months later, Donsbach University announced that it had become accredited. In 1981, Dr. William Jarvis, President of the National Council Against Health Fraud, visited NAA in Maryland and found that its "office" was a telephone in the living room of its executive director, who said he received $100-a-month salary. Although NAA correspondence had designated the man as holding a "Ph.D." from the Sussex College of Technology in England, the British Embassy informed Jarvis that it did not consider the "school" or its diplomas valid. NAA was never recognized by the U.S. Secretary of Education or the Council on Postsecondary Accreditation. In 1981, California authorities ordered Donsbach to stop representing that his school was accredited without mentioning that the agency was not recognized. In 1984, Donsbach University announced that it had been recognized as a candidate for accreditation by the National Association of Private, Nontraditional Schools and Colleges (NAPNSC) as of March 3, 1984. Documents in my possession indicate that NAPNSC began trying to gain recognition from the U.S. Secretary of Education in 1976 and from the Council on Postsecondary Accreditation in 1977 but was not successful. An NAPNSC position paper dated March 20, 1984, stated that neither agency had any intention of permitting NAPNSC to become recognized. The New York State Injunction Donsbach also operated the International Institute of Natural Health Sciences, a company through which he marketed numerous misleading publications and a "Nutrient Deficiency Test" which was taught to students and used nationwide by chiropractors and bogus nutritionists. In July 1985, the New York Attorney General brought actions against Donsbach, his university, and the International Institute, charging that they lacked legal authorization to conduct business within New York State and that it was illegal to advertise nonaccredited degrees to state residents. Abrams also charged that the institute's "Nutrient Deficiency Test" was a scheme to defraud consumers. This test was composed of 245 yes/no questions about symptoms. When the answers were fed into a computer, a report of supposed nutrient deficiencies and medical conditions was printed out. The questions did not provide a basis for evaluating nutritional status. A scientist with the FDA's Buffalo district office who analyzed the computer program (in connection with prosecution of a Donsbach University "graduate") found that no matter how the questions were answered, the test reported several "nutrient deficiencies" and almost always recommended an identical list of vitamins, minerals, and digestive enzymes. The questionnaire also contained questions about the subject's food intake during the past week. However, the answers given did not affect the printout of supposed deficiencies. In 1986, Donsbach and his Institute agreed to: (a) stop marketing in New York State all current versions of its nutrient deficiency questionnaire and associated computer analysis services, (b) place conspicuous disclaimers on future versions of the questionnaire to indicate that the test should not be used for the diagnosis or treatment of any disease by either consumers or professionals, and (3) pay $1, 000 in costs. Donsbach and the university agreed to disclose in any direct mailings to New York residents or in any nationally distributed publication that the school's degree programs were not registered with the New York Department of Education and were not accredited by a recognized agency. The university also agreed to pay $500 to New York State. In 1987, Jacob Swilling assumed ownership of Donsbach University, which was renamed International University for Nutrition Education but soon went defunct. Since that time Donsbach's primary activity has been the operation of Hospital Santa Monica, a Mexican clinic that offers dubious treatments for cancer and other serious diseases. Donsbach's "Graduates" Donsbach University "graduates" typically refer to themselves as "nutrition consultants, " a term also used by some reputable nutritionists. Some are still in practice. At least four Donsbach "PhD's" have been in legal difficulty: * Jacob W. Kulp, DC, practiced chiropractic in Cheektowaga, New York. In 1983, he pled guilty to a charge of violating federal drug law by claiming that wheat bran tablets would improve a patient's nutrient absorption by eliminating "black intestinal plaque" -- a condition unknown to medical science. The "patient" was an undercover agent for the U.S. Postal Inspection Service who paid $25 for the advice. Kulp was sentenced to six months' probation with special conditions that he not pose as a nutritionist or give nutritional advice through broadcast media unless he acquires a graduate degree in nutrition from an accredited college or university. * Sandi Mitchell practiced as a nutrition consultant in Alabama. In 1985, she was permanently restrained from "the maintenance of an office where the individual care and treatment of persons is performed, including the diagnosis of human diseases or conditions, the giving of instructions on good nutrition thereon, recommendation of colon irrigation, and recommendation and sale of vitamins, food supplements and homeopathic medicines." She was also barred from performing diagnostic tests or using the designation "Dr." or giving individual advice to specific persons for human diseases and conditions. * Gary Pace practiced as a nutrition consultant in New York City. In 1985, New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams filed a civil suit accusing Pace of practicing medicine without a license, false advertising, and illegal use of educational credentials. Pace's schemes, said Abrams, induced hundreds of consumers to pay him for improper physical examinations, worthless laboratory tests (including hair analysis and herbal crystallization analysis), bogus nutritional advice, and unnecessary vitamin, mineral, and herbal supplements. The case against Pace was supported by affidavits from thirteen aggrieved clients and two undercover investigators, all of whom had been advised to take supplements. Some of the female clients reported that Pace had examined their breasts or genitals. Several clients underwent significant expense to obtain medical reassurance that they did not have various diseases that Pace said they had. One was advised by her medical doctor to stop taking vitamin A because her palms had become yellow as a result of overdosage. Abrams said that at least 251 clients had paid Pace an average of $307 during the previous four years. Many had been attracted by his ad, which was the largest of eleven listings in the "Nutritionists" section of the Nassau County Yellow Pages. Pace also taught in the extension division of a local community college and hosted a radio program. The investigators discovered that the "free consultation" promised in Pace's Yellow Page ad was merely the brief telephone conversation in which he advised prospective clients to make an appointment. The case was settled with an injunction forbidding Pace from engaging in the unlawful practice of medicine or using "Ph.D." or "Dr." in dealings with the public unless he obtains a degree from an institution recognized by New York State. Pace agreed to pay $2, 000 to the state and to make restitution to dissatisfied clients. He also agreed not to do further "nutritional counseling" unless he obtained proper credentials or posts a $150, 000 bond. * Raymond J. Salani, who practiced as a "nutrition consultant, " was charged in 1989 by the New Jersey Attorney General and the state board of medical examiners with practicing medicine without a license, violating the state's clinical laboratory act, and committing insurance and consumer fraud. The complaint stated that Salani misused the term "doctor, "prescribed excessive quantities of food supplements" that were ineffective or potentially toxic, and issued fraudulent reports to insurance companies. In December 1989, a superior court judge enjoined Salani from representing to the public that he has a doctoral degree unless he acquires one from an accredited school. A few months later, the judge approved a consent agreement barring Salani from representing himself as a doctor, recommending supplements for any specific medical problem (except under medical supervision), diagnosing medical conditions or symptoms, or filling out insurance forms in a misleading manner. Salani was also required to inform clients that the FDA does not recognize any need or usefulness for the products he typically recommends. He also was assessed $11, 000, part of which was used for restitution to insurance companies and former patients. * George Zabrecky, DC, is a Connecticut chiropractor who treats cancer patients. In 1991, his license was suspended for six months and he was successfully sued for treating a cancer patient with cellular products that appeared to have destroyed the man's liver. Other Donsbach "graduates" I have identified include Michael Adelson, JD, H. DeWayne Ashmead, Sheila McKenzie Barnswell, Kenny F. Bastien, Cheryl A. Beckett, Donna Billmeyer, William Brown, Dorothy L. Cady, Ralph E. Carson, Herbert Eller, Marcy Foley, , Hanoch Guy, Betsy Jorgensen, Kathleen Kellers, Marian Kibler, Jan A. Krancher, Lark Lands, Joan Matthews Larson, William H. Lee, RPh, Ruth Yale Long, Richard Marconi, Neil McAlister, Charles Parry, Cynthia Poa, Osha B. Reader, Jack Richason, William Daniel Roberts, David W. Rowland, James Salvadori, Jr., Barbara Reed Stitt, Irwin Stone, Thomas A. Sult, MD, and Cindy Zeislot. Public Protection Efforts As Donsbach graduates began representing themselves to the public as nutrition professionals, the American Dietetic Association began a drive for passage of state laws to restrict use of the word "nutritionist" to qualified professionals with accredited training. So far. more than 40 states and the District of Columbia have passed laws to regulate nutritionists. Some make it illegal for unqualified persons to call themselves dietitians or nutritionists, while others define nutrition practice and who is eligible to practice. The most basic requirement is completion of accredited training. Licensing does not offer complete protection against all forms of nutrition practice conducted privately between consenting adults. (It does not, for example, protect people from the poor advice offered by many chiropractors, acupuncturists, naturopaths, and health-food retailers.) But it can deter untrained individuals from widely advertising that they are experts. | ||||||||