Realization of Hacked Sleep
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Robert Jewell
Jun 20, 2013, 5:52:47 PM6/20/13
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Hey everyone,
For all of you who are sleep hacking enthusiasts, when do you actually know that you have hacked your sleep? When you fall asleep at 11:30 p.m. and wake up in the morning at 5 a.m. without the aid of an alarm clock, do you just fight off the urge to take another 1.5 hours of sleep because you know that you've hit those two periods of deep sleep?
Or do you just wake up and feel a large amount of energy taking you out of bed?
Scott Britton
Jun 20, 2013, 10:36:16 PM6/20/13
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I liked Zeo for this (now jawbone) because I can quickly glance at the amount of deep sleep cycles I've had to get a barometer on how well I slept. In general though, I abide by the rule, if I'm up at 5 or 530 or whatever it is and don't have to go the bathroom or something or wasn't awaken by a loud noise, I take that as a sign that my body is telling me I've gotten adequate sleep and its time to start the day.
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Generally, I would look at sleep hacking as building consistent sleep habits that allow you to achieve restfulness in a shorter period of time on the reg vs. one night of nailing your deep sleep cycles earlier than usual
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James Wahba
Jun 21, 2013, 11:49:43 AM6/21/13
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Hi all!
Speaking of sleep tracking devices: If you have either used or researched the FitBit Flex and Jawbone Up, I'd love to know the pros and cons for each. Thanks in advance!
Armand Patella
Jun 21, 2013, 3:02:24 PM6/21/13
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I'll leave the pros and cons list for someone who has experience with both devices. I've only used the Jawbone UP, but would be interested to see if the FitBit Flex offers a bit more granular insight into sleep cycles.
I went with the UP because of the limited friction that it takes to interagte it. Charge the thing and put it on…before bed, press the button for a second, same thing when you wake up…that's it. I already have an iPhone and I already was capturing my diet into Evernote…the app is also good for tracking food intake.
If you want to test out the software for free check out Motion X -- it's the same stuff in the iOS app and it just uses the accelerometer in one's phone as appose to the wrist band…a little less accurate, but worth a test run. I actually got the band because I found I would just go to bed with out setting the app…figured it was worth getting a physical device so that I actually use the thing.
The band would fall off while playing sports, but it was fine while doing standard weights or running. If the cap comes off Jawbone will send you a free one.
Hope this helps a little,
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Alan Khanukaev
Jun 21, 2013, 3:08:09 PM6/21/13
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I'm generally skeptical on the accuracy of the more complex data collected by these monitors.
I've tried the Fitbit, I havent tried the Up or the Fuelband, but I imagine they work similarly when it comes to sleep analysis. It seemed to me that since they can't take any physiological measurements like heart rate, etc. when activated, to measure sleep they basically just detect movement and extrapolate where you are in the sleep cycle based on that. And if that's the case I feel like they can't really be too accurate.
On the other hand, if I'm not mistaken, the Zeo acts as something of an EEG and actually measures brain activity, so I'm more inclined to trust its analysis.
Patrick Kanaley
Jun 22, 2013, 8:57:27 AM6/22/13
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I'm almost always a little slow to get moving in the morning, but after about 5-10 minutes I'm wide awake (no coffee needed). So I've just gone off how I feel throughout the day.
For example, when you have a quiet or boring moment (say in a meeting or when the lights go down prior to a movie) do you start to get sleepy or just bored? If I'm sleepy, I know I haven't slept enough. When I'm well rested my mind just starts to wander instead.
James Wahba
Jun 22, 2013, 12:18:36 AM6/22/13
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Whoa! Thanks to all who put in their 2 cents. And a big thank you to Derek for the in depth breakdown + links.
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One area I'm interested in is openness and portability of the data that the devices are gathering.
I want to make sure that my data isn't locked into a closed system (Nike). It seems like jawbone and fitbit are open and interoperable with other apps. It would be great if my data could be sent around as easyily as an RSS feed.
Thanks again everyone!
- James Wahba
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:42 PM, Derek Flanzraich wrote:
James-- just from the perspective of someone who has used seemingly every freakin' tracker know to man, here's my take:- Fitbit pretty predictably has the best data on everything- Nike Fuelband has probably the worst, but it's the most impressive-looking (everyone will ask "what the heck is that" and then you get to show them an awesome display that includes more info than any of the other trackers.) Plus it can double as a watch!- Jawbone UP is probably somewhere in the middle, but it's definitely the sleekest + most comfortable to wear in my opinion. Looks good & doesn't stick out as much as the Fuelband does.- In terms of sleep, Jawbone UP is probably the better option over the Fitbit Flex, simply because the Flex seems super limited to me-- its display is weak-sauce (literally just 5 dots, with each indicating 20% of progress). It's a small thing, maybe, but Jawbone UP also has a kind of neat "press on it to switch to sleep mode" part that buzzes & becomes a relatively easy habit to pick up when you're drifting off to sleep.- The Fitbit One is probably the best overall device on the market (Basis band may be better, but no one can seem to get one)-- but it's not worn on the wrist & is easy to lose (it's not really made to measure sleep unless you put it inside of a pretty silly wristband holder they provide).- in terms of other options on the market, SleepCycle is probably the most popular app and, despite a pretty funny setup (hide under your bedsheets, basically), it actually works relatively well for a free app. never, ever remember to use it, though- Oh-- and Zeo is shutting down.In general, all of the devices out there are more or less far from accurate right now. BUT first, it probably doesn't matter how accurate they are-- the truth is most of the decisions we make are relative, so clearly they're at least consistent. AND second if all of this sounds really debbie downer, it's only a matter of time-- it's pretty clear that we'll (very soon) have meaningfully better technology in devices at a reduced cost... if the iphone doesn't just add more accelorometers + fun tracking stuff to replace all of them first.Hope this is helpful!--
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Alan Khanukaev <ala...@gmail.com> wrote:
Derek Flanzraich
Jun 21, 2013, 9:42:27 PM6/21/13
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James-- just from the perspective of someone who has used seemingly every freakin' tracker know to man, here's my take:
- Fitbit pretty predictably has the best data on everything
- Nike Fuelband has probably the worst, but it's the most impressive-looking (everyone will ask "what the heck is that" and then you get to show them an awesome display that includes more info than any of the other trackers.) Plus it can double as a watch!
- Jawbone UP is probably somewhere in the middle, but it's definitely the sleekest + most comfortable to wear in my opinion. Looks good & doesn't stick out as much as the Fuelband does.
- In terms of sleep, Jawbone UP is probably the better option over the Fitbit Flex, simply because the Flex seems super limited to me-- its display is weak-sauce (literally just 5 dots, with each indicating 20% of progress). It's a small thing, maybe, but Jawbone UP also has a kind of neat "press on it to switch to sleep mode" part that buzzes & becomes a relatively easy habit to pick up when you're drifting off to sleep.
- The Fitbit One is probably the best overall device on the market (Basis band may be better, but no one can seem to get one)-- but it's not worn on the wrist & is easy to lose (it's not really made to measure sleep unless you put it inside of a pretty silly wristband holder they provide).
- in terms of other options on the market, SleepCycle is probably the most popular app and, despite a pretty funny setup (hide under your bedsheets, basically), it actually works relatively well for a free app. never, ever remember to use it, though
- Oh-- and Zeo is shutting down.
In general, all of the devices out there are more or less far from accurate right now. BUT first, it probably doesn't matter how accurate they are-- the truth is most of the decisions we make are relative, so clearly they're at least consistent. AND second if all of this sounds really debbie downer, it's only a matter of time-- it's pretty clear that we'll (very soon) have meaningfully better technology in devices at a reduced cost... if the iphone doesn't just add more accelorometers + fun tracking stuff to replace all of them first.
Hope this is helpful!
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alank19
Dec 9, 2014, 10:39:23 AM12/9/14
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Hey guys,
Figured I'd resurrect an old thread for this one.
Just came across this new sleep-hacking wearable on Kickstarter that seems like it might be a good replacement for the Zeo. It's called the BodyEcho and aside from movements it detects heart rate, respiratory rate , and oxygen levels.
Scott Britton
Dec 9, 2014, 11:07:18 AM12/9/14
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Andrew Cabasso
Dec 17, 2014, 4:06:23 PM12/17/14
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Interesting stuff. I don't get how that would work if you have more than one person sleeping in a bed though.
Anoop Kansupada
Dec 17, 2014, 7:45:39 PM12/17/14
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Matteo responded directly to me since he can't respond to the group...
Great to e-meet you all. Thanks Anoop for looping me in.
Luna is dual zone: temperature, metrics and integration with smart home devices are independent for each side of the bed. With regard to metrics, for each side of the bed, we track heart rate, breathing, sleep phases and quality of sleep.
Would love to hear your feedback and answer any questions.
Matteo
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Anoop Kansupada <anoop.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
Love these conversations. I've cc'ed Matteo, one of the founders of Luna, to answer any questions for us.Matteo--- to start--- how does it work if you have more than one person sleeping in a bed?Thanks,Anoop
Anoop Kansupada
Dec 17, 2014, 7:46:44 PM12/17/14
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Love these conversations. I've cc'ed Matteo, one of the founders of Luna, to answer any questions for us.
Matteo--- to start--- how does it work if you have more than one person sleeping in a bed?
Thanks,
Anoop
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