Housekeeping matters

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Luther Goh Lu Feng

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Oct 17, 2010, 5:38:49 PM10/17/10
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Lately, we have been partying, cooking, mixing drinks. I am sure we are all
happy with that. But can I request that a conscious effort be made to undo the
edits, ie load the dishwasher, clear/clean the tables and move back the
whiteboard and vacuum cleaner, rearrange furniture in the zone? Personal
experience has shown that these tasks are easily completed when done as a group.

Please understand that HSG is a shared space and by not undoing your edits, you
may be depriving someone else of a comfortable, neat and clean working space. I
have bought some cleaners of various applications so feel free to put them to
good use.

I had also noticed that our utilisation of toilet paper has seemed to increase
quite a bit. I swore that on Thursday there were at least 4 rolls of toilet
paper. But I came into the space and there was no more toilet paper left. While
I concede that toilet paper is not very costly, I do urge our members and
visitors to avoid wastage. I honestly do not see enough human traffic to warrant
such high utilisation of toilet paper. Oh wait maybe someone has bought cats to
HSG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQbHS4YJOMc

Can someone create a diagram on how to unlock/lock the toilet door? I have 1
case of someone being locked inside the toilet, and 1 of someone being unable to
close the door as she was unable to unlocked the door (yes erm it is
complicated)

Lastly, please make some effort to post to the list if any of our cleaning
supplies runs out.... eg toilet paper, detergent, dishwashing tablets. Surely we
don't need labels for such reminders.

The last thing we want to do is to create a logging system for the use of toilet
paper.



Martin Bähr

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Oct 17, 2010, 8:24:49 PM10/17/10
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On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 02:38:49PM -0700, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote:
> Oh wait maybe someone has bought cats to HSG
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQbHS4YJOMc

that one is not responsible, it was those:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpI5bkZbHJk

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Luther Goh Lu Feng

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Oct 19, 2010, 4:09:10 AM10/19/10
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----- Original Message ----
> From: Luther Goh Lu Feng <elf...@yahoo.com>
> To: hackerspacesg <hacker...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 5:38:49 AM
> Subject: Housekeeping matters
>
> Lately, we have been partying, cooking, mixing drinks. I am sure we are all
> happy with that. But can I request that a conscious effort be made to undo the
>
> edits, ie load the dishwasher, clear/clean the tables and move back the
> whiteboard and vacuum cleaner, rearrange furniture in the zone? Personal
> experience has shown that these tasks are easily completed when done as a
>group.
>
> Please understand that HSG is a shared space and by not undoing your edits,
>you
>
> may be depriving someone else of a comfortable, neat and clean working space.
>I
>
> have bought some cleaners of various applications so feel free to put them to

> good use.
>
> I had also noticed that our utilisation of toilet paper has seemed to increase
>
> quite a bit. I swore that on Thursday there were at least 4 rolls of toilet
> paper. But I came into the space and there was no more toilet paper left.
>While
>
> I concede that toilet paper is not very costly, I do urge our members and
> visitors to avoid wastage. I honestly do not see enough human traffic to
>warrant
>

> such high utilisation of toilet paper. Oh wait maybe someone has bought cats
>to
>
> HSG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQbHS4YJOMc
>

> Can someone create a diagram on how to unlock/lock the toilet door? I have 1
> case of someone being locked inside the toilet, and 1 of someone being unable
>to
>
> close the door as she was unable to unlocked the door (yes erm it is
> complicated)
>
> Lastly, please make some effort to post to the list if any of our cleaning
> supplies runs out.... eg toilet paper, detergent, dishwashing tablets. Surely
>we
>
> don't need labels for such reminders.
>
> The last thing we want to do is to create a logging system for the use of
>toilet
>
> paper.
>
>
>


Leaving food unattended overnight on a table in the lab is absolutely
unacceptable.

Leaving your cooking mess on a table in the lab on the table overnight that
could be used as someone's workspace is unacceptable.

Preparing food in the lab and leaving behind crumbs of food behind on the carpet
is unacceptable. Personally, I do most of my food preparation at the dishwasher
area.

Whoever's responsible please undo your edits. I am not the only one who is not
humoured by such inconsiderate acts. If anyone has issues with these points, I
am happy to hear you out.



Juanita

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Oct 19, 2010, 10:42:22 PM10/19/10
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During plenum yesterday it was decided that we have sufficient funds
and mess to appoint a cleaner. It appears none has been appointed.

I have arranged a cleaner to come in every Thursday for $12.50 per
hour, minimum 4 hours paid. Meaning if she can complete all the chores
in 2 hours, she still gets paid $50. That is pretty much a standard
industry wide expectation, especially when cleaners have no economy of
scale with multiple offices in the same area.

Payment on a monthly basis. We will trial her starting this week and
she will trial us too I expect.

Her first visit will be tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon to complete the
list of chores below. I am not available, will anyone be at
hackerspace to show her around? If not, will postpone the first clean
to next Thursday.

Chores
1. Vacuum all carpeted areas
2. Sweep and mop wooden floors
3. Wash the bathroom
4. Wipe any exposed table surfaces (I will not ask her to figure out
what to pick up and arrange in case things get lost)
5. Replace the chairs and tables in a standard configuration
6. Run dishwasher cycles for all used glassware, crockery and cutlery

Alvin Jiang

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Oct 19, 2010, 10:55:10 PM10/19/10
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> Chores
> 1. Vacuum all carpeted areas
> 2. Sweep and mop wooden floors
> 3. Wash the bathroom
> 4. Wipe any exposed table surfaces (I will not ask her to figure out
> what to pick up and arrange in case things get lost)
> 5. Replace the chairs and tables in a standard configuration
> 6. Run dishwasher cycles for all used glassware, crockery and cutlery

Additionally:

- Wipe the top of all banisters
- Wipe the front and clean the top of the fridge, wipe down inside
surfaces
- Clean windows and front door (maybe not until the frosting is installed
and leftover glue removed)
- Wipe the exposed surfaces of cupboards in the lab and in the pantry
- Wash the sink in the pantry area
- Wipe the exposed surfaces of shelves at the back of the zone

Do we need to buy some cleaning stuff for her?

Kim Yong has also offered to do a once-weekly clean out of the fridge of
expired items - if you leave your personal food there please be aware that
it may be cleaned out if it's expired or left for too long. As in any
office pantry a good rule of thumb would be to expect that anything left
overnight may not be there the next day.


Juanita

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Oct 19, 2010, 11:04:14 PM10/19/10
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I suggest varying some of these frequencies.

1. Vacuum all carpeted areas (WKLY)
2. Sweep and mop wooden floors (WKLY)
3. Wash the bathroom (WKLY)
4. Wipe any exposed table surfaces (I will not ask her to figure out
what to pick up and arrange in case things get lost) (WKLY)
5. Replace the chairs and tables in a standard configuration (WKLY)
6. Run dishwasher cycles for all used glassware, crockery and cutlery
(WKLY)
7. Wipe the top of all banisters (MTHLY)
8. Wipe the front and clean the top of the fridge, wipe down inside
surfaces (BI-MTHLY)
9. Clean windows and front door (maybe not until the frosting is
installed and leftover glue removed) (WKLY)
10. Wipe the exposed surfaces of cupboards in the lab and in the
pantry (WKLY)
11. Wash the sink in the pantry area (WKLY)
12. Wipe the exposed surfaces of shelves at the back of the zone
(WKLY)

Martin Bähr

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Oct 19, 2010, 11:11:22 PM10/19/10
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:55:10AM +0800, Alvin Jiang wrote:
> - Clean windows and front door (maybe not until the frosting is installed
> and leftover glue removed)

cleaning windows should be limited to areas that don't contain any
writing i guess...

Chern Jie

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Oct 19, 2010, 11:38:46 PM10/19/10
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I will be there. I can show her around and the stuff to be clean...

Cheers,
Chern Jie



Juanita

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Oct 20, 2010, 1:07:25 AM10/20/10
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Thank you! Will sms you both with each other's mobile no.

On Oct 20, 11:38 am, Chern Jie <chern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will be there. I can show her around and the stuff to be clean...
>
> Cheers,
> Chern Jie
>

ileftm...@gmail.com

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Oct 20, 2010, 2:17:02 AM10/20/10
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If she's good, can share her contact with me or everyone please?
I've been meaning to find a cleaner too.
Thanks!
Cheryl
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Meng Weng Wong

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Oct 20, 2010, 2:23:52 PM10/20/10
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On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote:
> Lately, we have been partying, cooking, mixing drinks. I am sure we are all
> happy with that. But can I request that a conscious effort be made to undo the
> edits, ie load the dishwasher, clear/clean the tables and move back the
> whiteboard and vacuum cleaner, rearrange furniture in the zone? Personal
> experience has shown that these tasks are easily completed when done as a
> group.

it doesn't actually take that long ... it took me about 19 minutes to

put away the excess chairs
trash the wine bottles
trash the newspapers
take out the trash
reset the trash with a fresh bag
move excess chairs and table up from downstairs
refill the water in the fridge
reset the wine and water glasses at the bar
unload the dishwasher
reload the dishwasher
start the dishwasher on delay timer
flush the toilet
wipe clean the bar table and the lab tables
clear most tables of debris
reset the cloth towels, taking soiled ones home to wash
turn off all the ceiling lights
leave all the little desk lamps on (it's okay, they're 7 watts each)
call a taxi
turn off all the aircons

if i had more time i would've scrubbed the sinks and sanitized the pantry, toilet, and bar areas with an aerosolized dilute solution of 75ppm sodium hypochlorite, which is what i used to do when i lived alone, but the taxi showed up.

if the last (sober) people to leave can follow that routine then i think a weekly pro cleaning of the toilet will round things off nicely. of course it's pretty easy for me to do this because i have a mental template for how the place is supposed to look, and all i do is go around and revert deltas. but i understand that most people in this country grow up with ubiquitous maid support so a lot of housekeeping skillz are a bit of a blind spot for the average Singaporean. for folks in that category i will recommend http://www.amazon.com/Home-Comforts-Science-Keeping-House/dp/068481465X as a useful life-skills guide. when you reach a certain stage in life, that book gets you laid.

Luther Goh Lu Feng

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Oct 20, 2010, 3:08:36 PM10/20/10
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Point taken. My point was more about cleaning up after one's self in a shared
space. Glorious details today include left over french loafs, oily induction
cooker and a slimy table. I don't expect regimental army standards.... but if
you like to make a dirty mess, do it elsewhere or clean up after yourself.

Oh and please close the window at the dishwasher area. It was left open for a
very long time. I had seen rats climbing outside. If anyone wants them as pets
please do so outside of HSG.



Chern Jie

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Oct 21, 2010, 4:25:00 AM10/21/10
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Hey guys,

The cleaning lady came today and the space is as clean as new! Woohoo!!!

The following task was communicated to her:
    1. Vacuum all carpeted areas (WKLY)
    1. Sweep and mop wooden floors (WKLY)
    2. Wash the bathroom (WKLY)
    3. Wipe any exposed table surfaces (I will not ask her to figure out what to pick up and arrange in case things get lost) (WKLY)
    4. Replace the chairs and tables in a standard configuration (WKLY)
    5. Run dishwasher cycles for all used glassware, crockery and cutlery (WKLY)
    6. Wipe the top of all banisters (WKLY)
    7. Wipe the front and clean the top of the fridge, wipe down inside surfaces (whenever dirty)
    8. Clean windows and front door (maybe not until the frosting is installed and leftover glue removed) (WKLY)
    1. Wipe the exposed surfaces of cupboards in the lab and in the pantry (WKLY)
    1. Wash the sink in the pantry area (WKLY)
    1. Wipe the exposed surfaces of shelves at the back of the zone (WKLY)
      Additionally as Meng has pointed out, the following tasks:
        • put away the excess chairs
        • take out the trash
        • reset the trash with a fresh bag
        • move excess chairs and table up from downstairs
        • refill the water in the fridge
        • reset the wine and water glasses at the bar
        • unload, reload and start the dishwasher if there are enough glasses
        • wipe clean the bar table and the lab tables
        • reset the cloth towels, taking soiled ones home to wash (this is billed separately)
        Also she took everything out of the fridge, gave it a good scrub inside, threw away all expired food and refill drinks/beers/juice.

        All these tasks took two cleaning ladies three hours and fifty bucks.


        Cheers,
        Chern Jie


        Mark

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        Oct 21, 2010, 4:26:26 AM10/21/10
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        Yay!

        Juanita

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        Oct 21, 2010, 5:49:52 AM10/21/10
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        Thanks for being around to meet and coordinate with the cleaners CJ!

        I will check if they recommend any additional cleaning supplies.

        Roland Turner

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        Oct 22, 2010, 12:30:09 AM10/22/10
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        Impressive!



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