[hackerspaces] Guy I met is trying to build a unified transhuman group
Ryan/baslisks
The Doctor
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On 03/02/2012 03:02 PM, Ryan/baslisks wrote:
> http://transhumani.com
They sound a little bit like these folks: http://zerostate.net/
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That website is kind of clunky to get around.
Bryan Bishop
Any other extropians on this list laughing at all?
http://heybryan.org/
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Daniel Toliaferro
Matt Joyce
being played out on noisebridge-discuss.
That being the case I am going to approach this as Kirk would. I will
either make out with or punch anything that gets in my way.
-Matt
Yves Quemener
I must concede that contrarily to most of the
transhuman/posthuman/singularist websites I have seen, this one seems to
split things in projects rather than the usual list of "philosophical
subjects to discuss while high and watching Nirvana".
However I can also easily propose a dozen of very interesting projects
that would fit the transhuman project, but then these projects need a
small team of people working hard on them. I think this will hit the
same brick of wall as every previous initiative like this one : these
subjects are hard, and you can't work on them at a faster pace than
hackerspaces already do.
webmind
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On 2012-03-02 21:17, The Doctor wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 03:02 PM, Ryan/baslisks wrote:
>> http://transhumani.com
>
> They sound a little bit like these folks: http://zerostate.net/
>
Hmm, these sites/communities? are new to me, but isn't this just
people looking into alternative interfacing techniques? There have
been people playing with rfid and magnetic implants for atleast 14
years now, but 'trans' human? A magnet in your finger doesn't make you
less or more human then prosthetic would.
Are these serious groups? it sounds a lot like people dreaming about
flying cars a few decades a go. Sure there is an ethical/political
debate to be had/fought regarding body modifications, but does it
require a movement at this point? Or is it more about finding
like-minded people(that's how I see it)? And is this an 'US thing' or
international?
Genuinely curious...
(and yes for people doing interfaces, they have clunky websites ;)
Cheers,
w
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quemen...@free.fr
> Hmm, these sites/communities? are new to me, but isn't this just
> people looking into alternative interfacing techniques? There have
> been people playing with rfid and magnetic implants for atleast 14
> years now, but 'trans' human? A magnet in your finger doesn't make
> you
> less or more human then prosthetic would.
My understanding is that these groups are a reaction to the "bleeaarg,
creepy!" reaction that some people have toward non-medical prosthetics.
> Are these serious groups? it sounds a lot like people dreaming about
> flying cars a few decades a go.
Yes, that is my criticism as well. Many such groups dream, talk about
philosophy and legal issues but don't get actual things done.
> Sure there is an ethical/political
> debate to be had/fought regarding body modifications, but does it
> require a movement at this point? Or is it more about finding
> like-minded people(that's how I see it)? And is this an 'US thing' or
> international?
I don't think it is too early to start a debate. If we had started debating
the place of culture on internet and how copying data would the change the
way authors can be retributed, we would have prevented the really silly
conflict that is happening right now.
That's why I think we should not wait for the technology to be available to
encourage debate about things like 3D printing on the copying of objects or
the legality of providing surgical implants that are not medically required.
webmind
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On 2012-03-03 12:17, quemen...@free.fr wrote:
>> Sure there is an ethical/political debate to be had/fought
>> regarding body modifications, but does it require a movement at
>> this point? Or is it more about finding like-minded people(that's
>> how I see it)? And is this an 'US thing' or international?
>
> I don't think it is too early to start a debate. If we had started
> debating the place of culture on internet and how copying data
> would the change the way authors can be retributed, we would have
> prevented the really silly conflict that is happening right now.
>
> That's why I think we should not wait for the technology to be
> available to encourage debate about things like 3D printing on the
> copying of objects or the legality of providing surgical implants
> that are not medically required.
Point, I do feel as far as hackers have reacted to politics, it has
been largely re-active and little pro-active. Then again, you'd
generally don't think about what freedoms will be taken from you and
finding out how to safeguard that isn't within the field of most
hackers expertise I think.
But it's a good train of thought, how would we safeguard the freedom
we enjoy so much as hackers? How could we expand it? what limitations
do we want to overthrow (for instance allowing non-medically-required
implants)?
I'm not sure where to start.
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Ryan/baslisks
Daniel Toliaferro
Right now I am looking more at short practical jaunts into extending my capabilities. The magnets are more proof of concept and technique rather than actual progress tech wise. I also think they are kind of cool. I really want to expand what I can do and this guy found me and I started talking about this stuff and it sounds fun and all. You know?
j. grenzfurthner/monochrom (das ende der nahrungskette)
>The Transhumanist movement started with Ray Kurzweil and his
>predictions toward the Singularity. The Singularity is supposed to
>be the moment when machines and humans merge and create a utopia,
>and eventually "wake up" the Universe itself.
my favorite sci-fi concept, right after god.
Daniel Toliaferro
quemen...@free.fr
> The Transhumanist movement started with Ray Kurzweil and his
> predictions toward the Singularity. The Singularity is supposed to
> be the moment when machines and humans merge and create a utopia,
> and eventually "wake up" the Universe itself.
*sigh*
That's why no one is taking the concept seriously...
The technological singularity is a concept that existed before Kurzweil
decided to write pseudo-scientific books about it. It is the simple
observation that if we manage to create an AI with a human-level
intelligence, it will result in an "explosion of intelligence" as smart
minds become as prevalent as computers able to run them.
It doesn't need techno-babbles, promises of immortality, worship of self-
replicating nano-machines.
Transhumanism is just a belief that humans can and should be improved
through technical means.
The only common point about these two movements is that they speculate on
the consequences of future technologies.
j. grenzfurthner/monochrom (das ende der nahrungskette)
>God would be a fantasy concept.
that's right. sci-fi is a genre dealing with imaginary but more or
less plausible content.
wait. are we still talking about the singularity?
The Doctor
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On 03/03/2012 05:11 AM, webmind wrote:
> Hmm, these sites/communities? are new to me, but isn't this just
> people looking into alternative interfacing techniques? There have
I can only speak for the Zero State (obDisclaimer: I'm one of the
project leads for AGI-03) but it seems like many of us joined because
we've gone as far as we can alone, and are trying to find other people
to advance our work. You can only do so much yourself with TCMS or
TCES, you can use quantified life techniques yourself, but without
other people to share your data and organize with, such projects tend
to stall out after a while.
> been people playing with rfid and magnetic implants for atleast 14
> years now, but 'trans' human? A magnet in your finger doesn't make
> you less or more human then prosthetic would.
It's a starting point for more advanced things. One person with
implanted magnets meets someone who built an EEG and is writing
software for it, they come up with ideas... the practical stuff seems
to be growing organically rather than according to a plan of any kind.
> Are these serious groups? it sounds a lot like people dreaming
> about flying cars a few decades a go. Sure there is an
> ethical/political debate to be had/fought regarding body
> modifications, but does it require a movement at this point? Or is
> it more about finding
To get more people interested in it, doing things, and documenting how
it was done and how well it works? I don't know, maybe...
> like-minded people(that's how I see it)? And is this an 'US thing'
> or international?
It's hard to tell. Forums and mailing lists are inherently
international in nature because anyone can join them.
> (and yes for people doing interfaces, they have clunky websites ;)
I think I went into the wrong field. :(
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The Doctor
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On 03/03/2012 06:17 AM, quemen...@free.fr wrote:
> That's why I think we should not wait for the technology to be
> available to encourage debate about things like 3D printing on the
> copying of objects or the legality of providing surgical implants
> that are not medically required.
My one question is, when does the debate stop and notice of people
doing it start?
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The Doctor
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Have you considered using an EEG or EMG to record and analyze the
neurological activity when that new ability is used?
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Ryan/baslisks
Ron Bean
>I help those who will help me.
Check this out:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-02/no-pulse-how-doctors-reinvented-human-heart?page=all
Lots of interesting stuff in that article.
Ryan/baslisks
Paul Bohm
Willow Brugh
After years of being really invested in the H+ community, I got kind of jaded. The idea of "in the Future, everything will work!" that prevails is tiresome. It's what finally brought me to hackerspaces... people who are actually making a future instead of privileged white kids sitting around discussing what other people have built. Maybe it's changed by now. That would be cool.
Bryan Bishop
> After years of being really invested in the H+ community, I got kind of
> jaded. The idea of "in the Future, everything will work!" that prevails is
> tiresome. It's what finally brought me to hackerspaces... people who are
> actually making a future instead of privileged white kids sitting around
> discussing what other people have built. Maybe it's changed by now. That
> would be cool.
Hasn't really changed.. the main orgs are completely dysfunctional
and, somehow, still fundraising. There's no need to have "the best
team" or "the best hackers" in non-profits, because philanthropists
dump money for different reasons.. it's also why there's 100s of
cancer orgs that do the same thing. Reminds me of that definition of
insanity.
disclaimer: served as R&D director at H+ for a while
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