gradle?

[steve christensen]

Is using maven a conscious decision? Or, was it just the default with which the most people are familiar?

What about Gradle? 

[Jon Stevens]

Oh no you didn't! =)

On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:59 PM, steve christensen <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is using maven a conscious decision? Or, was it just the default with which the most people are familiar?

What about Gradle? 

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[Jeff Schnitzer]

Gradle is the only build system I dislike more than maven :-)

Jeff

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[steve christensen]

haha  Fair enough :) 

I suppose I'm aggravated at Maven at the moment, and think "Oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a different set of problems by switching to Gradle?"

-Steve

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I genuinely believe there is a massive market out there for a java build tool that does not suck. Jon and I have talked about it numerous times. Watching bower replace npm almost overnight tells me that it can happen.

But yeah, I went all-in with gradle a couple years ago and ended up switching everything back to maven. It's just a different set of problems.

Jeff

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[Jon Stevens]

I feel like what we need is a file format to describe builds that isn't xml, json or yaml, that is well supported in ide's with great auto completion and doesn't suffer from too much programming (gradle) nor is too inflexible (maven) and isn't slow. I'm not 100% sure what that looks like, but I did find a build tool for JavaScript that looked kind of promising even though it hasn't really caught on yet. It might be adapted or ported to java. Plus I like the guys manifesto...

http://robey.github.io/plz/articles/what-is-it.html

Anyways, this is something I think about nearly every time I open a build file. I've seen the recent build tools released from Twitter and Google (https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants) and it gave me a headache.

Jon

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[Jeff Schnitzer]

I actually really like the idea of the DSL being in a high-ish level language like groovy, python, or ruby. The problem with gradle imho is that they tried to make the format too declarative and not enough like programming. I'd like something a little more objecty, but with a terse syntax.

Also, I think the maven repository format needs to be replaced.

But this is a long discussion that should take place on some other list...

Jeff

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[steve christensen]

I've never used Gradle beyond a couple toy projects. It felt nice, but I've never had to use it in anger (unlike... Make, Ant, Maven, SCons)

But, now that Jon's pointed it out... I think I'm gonna be all about Pants. Because, that seems like it would lead to awkward conversations during design meetings, and many opportunities for pun-based names for build goals 

[Jon Stevens]

Awkward depends on where you work. I spent 4 years (and Jeff about 2) working for kink.com (nsfw). We named the auto IP address blocking system 'the cock blocker'. Imagine talking about that during meetings. =)

Jon

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[steve christensen]

*imagines*

Hmm. I think your Christmas parties would have been... eclectic? lol :) 

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I did meet my wife at one of the xmas parties... :-)

Jeff

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