Breather on Airone

[andrew nahum]

Has anyone a good understanding of the breather on the Airone - the
one that is a small hole in the RH crankcase casting behind the
gearbox sprocket?

Mine chucks out a fair bit of oil there so that it spreads over the
silencer after a run. I don't think I've got a lot of blow-by - I have
good compression and running. No smoke.

At one time I improvised a long pipe from the breather hole to the
back of the bike. Due to bore of the pipe, (about 3/8" ID) no oil
actually made it out that way but the bike did not seem to be the
worse for that. It may have contributed to clutch slip (Ian Ledger
thought so) but at that time I did not know what the clutch spring
length should be so did not have it weighted enough.

Does any oil in that part of the engine/gearbox assembly need to come
out that way or can it escape back to the main gallery for the
scavenge pump to pick it up? Is the breather just a hole, or is it
timed or valved?

Thanks to anyone who can contribute.

Andrew

[Patrick Hayes]

andrew nahum wrote:
> Has anyone a good understanding of the breather on the Airone

What you have described is the automatic chain oiler, not a breather.
That passage, from behind the sprocket, goes through BOTH castings and
is exposed on the other side behind the clutch. You can remove the
clutch and add a plug on he left side if you wish. With the
availability of modern sprays, the automatic system is no longer necessary.

The BREATHER system resides in the left crankcase half, above the clutch
area. Here, a tubing takes excess crankcase pressure and feeds it into
the oil tank. There is an internal steel ball which regulates the
amount of crankcase pressure. Perhaps your ball is missing? Mine was
gone originally when I bought my SuperAlce. I don't see that it makes
much difference.

In order for a LOT of oil to exit the automatic oiler, it has to come
from a substantial puddle in the clutch chamber. It can get into the
clutch chamber in several ways. A little oil is good for gear and
clutch lubrication. A lot of oil is a problem. The oil can leak past
the crankshaft felt seal and the clutch shaft felt seal. Neither are
brilliant systems. Oil could also come ejected via the breather system
above the clutch if you have a LOT of blow-by.

Does your oil tank cap have a breather hole in it? Or is it a sealed cap?

Can you inspect and see if your scavenge return pump is working
sufficiently to pull oil from the sump?

Do you have a manual oil supply shutoff valve or are you relying on the
internal automatic valve?

If you leave the bike for several days, does the crankcase fill with oil
and wetsump as evidenced by large quantities of smoke on first start?

There is a drain screw in the left side clutch cover just aft and below
the clutch basket. Look in the 5 o'clock position relative to the
flywheel. Remove the screw to drain that chamber. Run the bike and see
how quickly oil starts to come from the automatic oiler again. This
would be a hint as to the quality of your felt shaft seals.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont, CA

[andrew nahum]

Hi Patrick,

Excellent exposition. Many thanks. I need to study the drawings to get
it fully. Does this mean I can just plug the outer-most RH hole - the
one that lubes the chain and silencer? What's the worst that can
happen if I do? Once oil gets to that chamber, is there any way it can
get out, except through the chain lube hole or the clutch drain plug?

I know about the clutch drain plug and have had to drain and clean the
clutch with gasoline on occasion to overcome slip. I don't recall
getting a lot of oil out of it. As I said, I think I was running with
too light a clutch spring at the time.

The scavenge pump works well and gives a healthy return. The oil tank
cap has a breather hole. I generally leave the oil tap on, to avoid
danger of forgetting, and it does not wet sump unless left for
months.

Andrew

[Patrick Hayes]

andrew nahum wrote:
> Does this mean I can just plug the outer-most RH hole - the
> one that lubes the chain and silencer? What's the worst that can
> happen if I do?

Might interfere with the chain. Safer to plug on the clutch side.

Once oil gets to that chamber, is there any way it can
> get out, except through the chain lube hole or the clutch drain plug?

Sure, through the open space surrounding the core of the flywheel. But
the chamber would be nearly half full by then.

>As I said, I think I was running with
> too light a clutch spring at the time.

Too light of a spring or too light of an adjustment. The spring can be
tightened very firm as necessary.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[c.d.mul...@att.net]

Forwarded from the Loopframe_Guzzi group:

 

"I hope that with all the Guzzi owners out there my query may fall into
helpfull ears. I am in need of sheet metal parts for the Sport Falcone I
just acquired. I have plenty of trading stock for other single machines
(Bacon slicers). Please let me hear from you.
Thanks a lot,
Zipolo"

reply to: "pagthers" pagt...@wcnet.org

 

--
Charlie
http://www.AntietamClassicCycle.com

 

[Todd and Tamela Johnston]

In the Old Country, I'd try Valassi or Stucchi, (perhaps even Agostini's could point you in the right direction) in Mandello di Lario, - or if money's no object and he isnt dead yet, Angelo Tadini in Bergamo. --- On Mon, 6/22/09, c.d.mul...@att.net <c.d.mul...@att.net> wrote:

[Patrick Hayes]

Todd and Tamela Johnston wrote:
> In the Old Country, I'd try Valassi or Stucchi, (perhaps even Agostini's
> could point you in the right direction) in Mandello di Lario,

I keep a running list of contact info for these vendors on my site:

http://home.comcast.net/~superalce

Stucchi and Crea Vicenzo are known to do e-mails in English.

Please let me know of any other vendor data updates.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[andrew nahum]

I got a load of bits from Tadini a couple of years ago for my Sport
15. I think he's still going. It's quite a cave in there. If you are
ever in northern Italy do go by. I think a nephew or younger relation
is running it partly. Only problem is he is so hard to communicate
with, opening times are strict and he won't mail stuff. No English so
take the pattern part. Had to spend the weekend in Bergamo to get my
stuff - which is no hardship. Bought a suitcase to bring the exhaust
back in. Surprisingly no one thought it was an RPG launcher at the
airport!
A

[Jerry Kimberlin]

andrew nahum wrote:

> I got a load of bits from Tadini a couple of years ago for my Sport
> 15. I think he's still going. It's quite a cave in there. If you are
> ever in northern Italy do go by. I think a nephew or younger relation
> is running it partly. Only problem is he is so hard to communicate
> with, opening times are strict and he won't mail stuff. No English so
> take the pattern part. Had to spend the weekend in Bergamo to get my
> stuff - which is no hardship. Bought a suitcase to bring the exhaust
> back in. Surprisingly no one thought it was an RPG launcher at the
> airport!

When I went to Scanzo to see Angelo, I had to wait. Had a
gelata at the place just across the river from his shop. It
is an interesting town with some interesting houses off the
main street.

He did about everything from the parts manual when I was
there except when he wasn't sure. I sat on the floor
digging through frame parts until I found what I wanted.
Otherwise, he was very well organized for the number of
parts in his stock.

When I was there, he had exhaust headers and mufflers for a
huge number of Italian bikes. But what interested me a lot
besides getting what I needed was the collection of bikes
gathering dust. He had a GTC, Dondolino, and a bunch of
commercial Guzzis stuffed in by the front window.

When I was there another customer spoke Italian and French
so I was able to get through to him by speaking French and
having that translated. I found that he has a son or
daughter in New York City (or did then). Also that one of
his kids died which made him near tears when mentioning it.
All the pictures on the wall told the story.

I have a picture or two of him and his shop somewhere.

JerryK

[Michael Blumberg]

Jerry & Andrew --

I'm going to Italy this September with my wife and hope to have a few days
to scout out places that are sources of parts, and just to take in the
atmosphere of a place like that.

I don't need any parts in particular right now that Paul at Guzzino can't
provide other than an original Magneti Marelli horn.

Could you let me know the town and, if you have it, the address of Tadini
and any others that might be worth visiting in Italy?

I'm not sure we'll get up to Northern Italy, but it's possible. I'm trying
to arrange things where I can attend the Mostra Scambio event at Imola
September 11 - 13. I expect there will be some vendors of Guzzi singles
parts and perhaps bikes there.

I've been very fortunate up until now that Guzzino has had pretty much
everything I've needed for my Falcone.

Thanks!

Michael Blumberg
Vancouver, BC

[Jerry Kimberlin]

Michael Blumberg wrote:

> Jerry & Andrew --
>
> I'm going to Italy this September with my wife and hope to have a few days
> to scout out places that are sources of parts, and just to take in the
> atmosphere of a place like that.

Great place to visit.

>
> I don't need any parts in particular right now that Paul at Guzzino can't
> provide other than an original Magneti Marelli horn.

You might find an original horn for a Falcone, but for the
earlier bikes getting one in working order will cost a
bunch. You have to be sure it works too. Lots of stuff at
the swap meets are non-working but look good on the outside.

> Could you let me know the town and, if you have it, the address of Tadini
> and any others that might be worth visiting in Italy?

Angelo Tadini
Corso Europa, 79
24020 Scanzorosciate (Bergamo)
open 8-12 and 1430-1830
phone (035) 66.12.32

This is data from his business card. Phone or opening hrs
may not be accurate now. Scanzorosciate is a suburb of
Bergamo, It which is a large town. Locally people just say
'Scanzo' Corsa Europa is the main street that you will be
on when you cross the bridge. Tadini is on the right side
not far down from the bridge.

> I'm not sure we'll get up to Northern Italy, but it's possible. I'm trying
> to arrange things where I can attend the Mostra Scambio event at Imola
> September 11 - 13. I expect there will be some vendors of Guzzi singles
> parts and perhaps bikes there.

Yes, there will be a lot of venders in the pit area, then
there is about 3.2 km of track with people 100 meters deep
around it selling parts. There will probably be at least 50
restored Guzzi Singles there. Falcones will be few. Basket
cases will be plentiful and rusty parts all over the place.

The best deals will be at the tailgate party about 2200 hrs
and later on the 10th at the vendors entry gate. Lots of
business takes place in the dark... Parking will be free
but you can also pay for parking in some local fields and
residential driveways.

It is certainly an experience not to be missed.

JerryK

PS. Saw the write up on your bike in Motorcycle Classics.
Good pics.

[Michael Blumberg]

Jerry --

Thanks very much for all that information!

Robert did a very nice job one the article I thought, especially the
background on the bike. He took the photos as well. I'm getting together
with him soon so that he can put some miles on the Falcone for the first
time. He was hesitant to ride it the day we took it out for the photos due
to all the traffic in town.

The bike was in very good shape when I got it, and since then my friend
George Dockray has contributed greatly in sorting out the remaining
mechanical issues. I think I could ride it down to California and back with
no trouble.

I'm excited to attend the Mostra Scambio - the tailgate party sounds great!

Regarding the shifting on my bike -- getting into 1st gear from neutral can
at times be difficult when the bike is stationary. I discovered some time
ago that if I roll the bike forward just a bit before putting it in 1st, it
drops into gear more smoothly. That works on level or downhills, but can't
be done on an uphill of course.

I've been running Pennzoil SAE 30 detergent oil. I'm wondering whether it'd
be better to run a non-detergent oil though, given the minimal filtration,
and would be interested to hear whatever thoughts that you and anyone else
may have on that topic.

Thanks again!

Michael

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Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: (Fwd): Falcone Sport body parts?

[Guzz...@aol.com]

Just my $.02................... Both of my singles can be hard to shift into first gear so what I have learned from riding British bikes is to shift to second gear first then back into first. On a British bike if the clutch is sticking from sitting too long it will bite hard when shifting to first gear and grind alittle and abruptly lurch forward stalling the engine catching you off guard.

 

 

Ciao'

 

Tim

---

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[Jerry Kimberlin]

Michael Blumberg wrote:

> Robert did a very nice job one the article I thought, especially the
> background on the bike. He took the photos as well.

Yes, it was an enjoyable article. I thought the photos were
excellent and he is to be commended.

> I'm excited to attend the Mostra Scambio - the tailgate party sounds great!

Just bring your grappa bottle and money. It is somewhat
like a disorderly carnival atmosphere on occasion. But that
is where the best bikes are sold. If you do see something
you want to buy at the scambio, buy it right away. If you
go away to think about it and if it is a worthwhile item, it
will be gone when you get back - if you can find out where
you saw it in the first place. Imola is really crowded
usually and you'll forget where you saw stuff. This year
could be different, due to the economy.

> Regarding the shifting on my bike -- getting into 1st gear from neutral can
> at times be difficult when the bike is stationary. I discovered some time
> ago that if I roll the bike forward just a bit before putting it in 1st, it
> drops into gear more smoothly. That works on level or downhills, but can't
> be done on an uphill of course.

I think every one of the Guzzi Singles is an individual and
you have to find its quirks. My GTW goes in and out of gear
just fine at a standstill, but Falcones always seem to need
a little movement or clutch action for some reason. Your's
is probably very typical to what I've seen.

> I've been running Pennzoil SAE 30 detergent oil. I'm wondering whether it'd
> be better to run a non-detergent oil though, given the minimal filtration,
> and would be interested to hear whatever thoughts that you and anyone else
> may have on that topic.

Oil is just like politics or religion.... All I know is
that I use Kendall oil. It's probably detergent oil.
Non-detergent oil was a bit hard to find so I settled on
Kendall oil for some long-forgotten reason. I use 40 wt
around here but when we were on the Southwest Tour in 1999,
I used 50 wt. There isn't much to wear in these engines so
I don't worry. I've never seen any metal particles in my
engine and I change oil often enough to avoid any carbon or
oxidation sludge accumulation.

Regards,

JerryK

[Michael Blumberg]

Thanks, Jerry! I used to religiously use Kendall when back in the late 70s
and 80s in my Lancias and FIATs. I don't recall the details, but they had
a special formulation for their oils, and also they were a beautiful dark
green color I think I remember. I don't think it's available here in Canada
though.

I change oil frequently as well, so probably that's the main thing

It appears I'll make the Scambio now -- all 3 days. I'll keep your advice
in-mind! Do you know of anyone that's purchased an older bike in Italy
recently, and how difficult or easy it may be to ship it out of the country
to North America? I just might be dumb enough to try something of that
sort....

Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:11 AM
To: guzzi-...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: (Fwd): Falcone Sport body parts?

[Jerry Kimberlin]

Michael Blumberg wrote:

> It appears I'll make the Scambio now -- all 3 days. I'll keep your advice
> in-mind! Do you know of anyone that's purchased an older bike in Italy
> recently, and how difficult or easy it may be to ship it out of the country
> to North America?

You will need an agent to crate and interface with
officialdom for you. There are agents at Imola who are
there to get business. I'm sure they are trustworthy but
probably not cheap. If you don't hire one and have no
friend with a house, then you'll get caught with the problem
of storage, crating, and government clearance. In only
three days, that would be impossible. You really need an
Italian friend to help out.

I've only imported one bike - Patrick Hayes' blue Falcone.
It took me over a year, due to 9-11 happening at the same
time. Cancellation of the Italian license plate took a
month and export customs clearance took another month. It
sat on the dock at Genoa for 8 months due to shipping
difficulties to the USA. Took no time at all to do customs
clearance here, though, once it was in Oakland, CA.

But...this sort of thing is done every day. The bureaucracy
can get to you but it just takes time.

Maybe someone else on the list has done importation more
recently than I and can give you the straight poop.

Regards,

JerryK

[Rick]

> Thanks, Jerry! I used to religiously use Kendall when back in the
late
> 70s and 80s in my Lancias and FIATs. I don't recall the details, but

> they had a special formulation for their oils, and also they were a
> beautiful dark green color I think I remember. I don't think it's
> available here in Canada though.

The new Kendall is not the same as the old. In fact virtually none of
the conventional automotive oils are. If they are claiming to be
catalytic converter safe they have had an important high pressure
additive removed. A zinc compound (I think it was) was removed beginning
several years ago when it was found to be a cat contaminant.
It seems good synthetics are fine but the old stand-by petro oils which
are no longer SG rated may lead to early camshaft and other high
pressure point areas, premature failure. Most motorcycle designed oils
still, for now, are SG rated but I would advise everyone to discontinue
use of modern automotive petro based oils. The diesel oils like Delo and
Rotella are okay as far as I know but I wouldn't be surprised if they
get "cleaned up" too.

Rick Yamane
Motion Pro

[Rick]

> It appears I'll make the Scambio now -- all 3 days. I'll keep your
advice
> in-mind! Do you know of anyone that's purchased an older bike in
Italy
> recently, and how difficult or easy it may be to ship it out of the
country
> to North America?

The easiest way to do it is to remove the engine from the frame, as a
minimum, and import the boxes (crates) as used parts. That will get it
through customs the easiest. You will probably still have to pay a
certain amount of taxes when you go to title it in the US.
If you prefer to bring it in complete then the best thing to do is to
hire an import/export agent to handle everything. In some cases this
might be a requirement.

Rick Yamane
Motion Pro

[andrew nahum]

If you are staying in Bergamo, it is a rather wonderful place. Try and
find somewhere in the Citta Alta which is the old town on the hill,
rather than the new bit below.
Andrew

[Michael Blumberg]

Thanks, Jerry!

Years ago, back when I was an Italian car enthusiast, I brought over a
Lancia Fulvia that I purchased from the owner in Pisa. I had Italian
friends then who could assist to a degree, but it still took months, and
there was a lengthy period when no one knew where the heck it was. Those
were the days before e-mail, but it sounds like things haven't changed much.

Thanks for the advice!

Michael

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[Michael Blumberg]

Thanks, Andrew -- I really hope we can get up there because the shop sounds
pretty special. My wife is intent on visiting places such as Sardinia, and
for some reason doesn't want to detour north this time to visit an old Guzzi
shop. Actually, I just realized that she and I stayed in Bergamo in 2001 on
our way to and from the museum and I do recall how nice it was.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:38 PM
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Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: (Fwd): Falcone Sport body parts?

[Miles Carnahan]

uncanny...

[dandicr...@aol.com]

I imported a airone. Email me your cell and i will show you the painless steps. Daniel

[Michael Blumberg]

Rick --

Now that sounds like a potentially viable approach that could really save a
lot of pain and suffering!! I'm going to consider that seriously! It'd be
kinda fun as well to take the thing apart there. Just so all the boxes
arrive OK.

Thanks very much for your advice!

Michael


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Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: Importing bikes from Italy

[Michael Blumberg]

Thanks, Rick. That's quite interesting. Is there such a thing as a single
grade SAE 30 or 40 motorcycle oil? I'm a little nervous about pure
synthetic in the Falcone, but perhaps a synthetic blend. I think I recall
reading about this a few years ago, which is why synthetic blends or
synthetics can be worthwhile vis-à-vis non-synthetics nowadays.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:19 PM
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[guzz...@juno.com]

 Hi All,   The Kendall dark green oil came out of Pennsvannia soil and is still basicly available thru Brad Penn Racing oils:

http://www.bradpennracing.com/Products/racingoils.html

 This oil is heavily fortified with zinc and phosphorus, so its popular with the flat tappet performance pushrod guys, VW , porsche, old american muscle cars with solid lifters etc.  I run it in my Guzzi land speed bike, it`s great stuff.  They also have it available in 40 and 50 weight which is perfect for the bacon slicers.  I dont think our singles get as much the same benefit because roller cams dont need the ZDDP as much as flat tappet motors do. I wouldn`t hesitate to run it in my falcone, but i`m still using up a case of 40 weight castrol. Finding a local distributor can be tough, I think you can contact Brad Penn directly or check their site for the closest suppliers.  I found it at a local hi-performance VW shop.  They sell it in cases only.  It`s really good stuff , hope it is of help to some of you.

  Regards all,  Bill Ross

 

 

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[Patrick Hayes]

Our friend Duane with a SuperAlce in Florida imported everything as
parts. He
couldn't figure out what to do with the forks. He stuck a lamp-pole,
bulb, and shade through the steering head and sent it as a generic
'lamp'. Whatever works.

Patrick

[Patrick Hayes]

Michael Blumberg wrote:
> Thanks, Andrew -- I really hope we can get up there because the shop sounds
> pretty special. My wife is intent on visiting places such as Sardinia, and

If she wants to see Sardegna, maybe a look here first would be helpful.

http://home.comcast.net/~pehayes/sardegna.html

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[andrew nahum]

With regard to title, the Guzzi factory did send me eventually, by
email, a confirmation of the build year of my Sport 15. I sent them
frame and engine numbers. That might help you.

I'd love to go to the Scambio but afraid of what I might end up buying!

Andrew

[andrew nahum]

Castrol in the UK make a range of 'classic' monograde oils. Maybe
there is an agent in your area?

I think there is also the issue of viscosity and clearance. all modern
engines are very low clearance and pump delivery is extremely high.
Vintage engines have wide clearances and less active pumping. To me
that argues for thicker oil synthetic or not.

Andrew

[Gordon de la Mare]

Also there's Silkolene (now owned by Fuch)
http://www.silkolene.com/index.php?calling=product&sub=classic#classic_p3
I've used Chatsworth 40 for years in my Guzzi singles.

Don't know what is sold in the US but contact details are:

Fuchs Lubricants Co.
Silkolene USA
2140 S 88th Street
Kansas City, KS 66111, Kansas

Sales, Marketing & Technical Assistance
JSR Industries - Jim ricci Sr.
Tel: 817-581-8616
Email:ji...@jsrind.com <mailto:ji...@jsrind.com>

Cheers
Gordon
<mailto:ji...@jsrind.com>

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[Rick]

> Years ago, back when I was an Italian car enthusiast......

You mean you're not anymore? I thought it was sort of like the Mafia,
once you're in, you can never get out.
I owned a 67 Alfa 1600 GTV for 30 years and various other Fiats and
Alfas. Sold the GTV in '05 when I bought a Mazdaspeed MX5 which is a
fantastic no glitch daily driver but I sure miss the panache of the
Italian cars. I still consider myself "in the family".

Bikes take up much less space. No way I could ever have 20 cars......
:-)

Rick Yamane
Motion Pro

[Rick]

You're welcome.
I've imported two bikes from Italy and one from France doing that. I had
to rely on the seller being willing to take the bike apart but that was
usually the first question I asked. I the shipping costs will come way
down too as opposed to a palletized or crated bike. That's a big reason
I ship like that.
The main thing is to get the engine out of the frame and shipped in
separate boxes. Of course the last bike I brought in was all packed in
one box the size of a washing machine. Treasury/Inland Security even
opened it up and passed it. I don't think they were looking to make sure
it wasn't a complete bike but they didn't notice anything wrong with it.
Make sure you drain all fluids too!

Rick Yamane
Motion Pro

Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: Importing bikes from Italy

[Rick]

There was an article written by a Brit car specialist a few years ago. He had seen a high number of camshaft wear issues on both old and rebuilt engines. He tracked it down to the elimination of ZDLP(?) due to the converter fouling issues. I'll see if I still have the link at home for those who might be interested.

For the older bikes I think the Mobil 1 V-Twin own is good. I'll use it in my Ducati bevels when I do my seasonal changes which are due right now.
My Stornello got whatever was on the shelf but I just used it in vintage trials so it wasn't too highly stressed.
For my newer bikes and what we use in most four-stokes at Motion Pro is a Motorex 10-50 full synthetic. I had been using Delo since I run that in my Powerstroke.

I didn't like the thought of using a synthetic in the old bikes either but after studying the issues a bit feel pretty good about giving the Mobil 1 a try. There are other V-Twin formulas too but the Mobil should be easy to get. Back in the late seventies when Mobil 1 and other first came out, there was a problem keeping it in old engines. That stuff would seek out leaks and just run out. I was working in a Mobil station at the time and we had a lot of customers angry at us for the big oil spots in their garages. We would put them back on petro 10-40 and all would be fine again. Pretty sure those problems are now non-existent. I've been using Mobil 1 in my turbo Mazda for over two years with no issues at all.

Rick Yamane
Motion Pro

Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: Now oils

[Roberto Munoz]

I bought a small guzzi from Milan some years ago. It was crated and shipped
to louisville , Ky for $325.00 total price . it was a homemade crate and the
guy that sold it to me sent me a vintage italian half helmet with it .I
picked it up at the dock at the airport.

Roberto.

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[c.d.mul...@att.net]

If instead of importing one from Italy, you'd like to buy one already in the US, my customer's '68 Falcone Nuovo Turismo is for sale once again. Hasn't been ridden since I finished it for him, needs a new home that will give it more exercise. Not completely stock - has an Alton 12v alternator system, VHB29 carb. and a solo seat from India. Price reduced to $10,000. May consider interesting trades - dual-sport bikes especially interest him. Slideshow here: http://tinyurl.com/6xa9sm

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Charlie
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[Guzz...@aol.com]

That bike looks more like a Falcone Turismo with the wrong gas tank? Doesn't look like any Nuovo I've seen before?

 

 

 

 Tim

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[c.d.mul...@att.net]

Not a Nuovo Falcone - a Falcone Nuovo Turismo . Came with that tank and "western" handlebars.

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[Michael Blumberg]

Those are interesting (to me anyway), because they were made right at the end in 1966 – 67 and I’ve read that the motors are a Sport/Turismo hybrid.  I think they have Sport internals but Turismo carburetion.  The gas tanks are similar or perhaps even the same as the early V-7 that they were making at the same time.

 

Thanks!

 

Michael

 

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This bike had a 29mm SS1 carburetor (included in the sale). The tank is similar but kind of a 7/8th scale version of the V700/early Ambo part.

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I am/was an Alfisti. I owned close to a dozen Alfas. Now I am down to just one. a 74 GTV. The value of cars have gone too high and everyone just wants to pack them away. That is why i switched to bikes.

I'm hoping to have the Airone registered in a week or two. Until then I am restricted to the neighborhood.

Dino

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From: Rick

Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:35 am
Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: Importing bikes from Italy... was Falcone Sport body parts?

[Michael Blumberg]

Rick --

That's good to know! For a long time I was suspicious of synthetic oil due
to the seepage problems with Mobil 1 in the early days. I'm beginning to
think a synthetic might be a OK and maybe ever preferred for the old
engines.

Michael

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[Michael Blumberg]

Well, I still have the FIAT spyder I've owned since 1985. However, the
bikes over time have replaced most of my car interest. Several of my
friends have gone the same direction.

Ditto on the benefits of the space savings!

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[Nick Thomas]

Well.... Apologies for bring up a non-Italian bike, but i just had
this problem with my '72 Honda CL 175. The manual calls for 10-40. I
had some synthetic around (Golden Spectro) and used it. It started
seeping everywhere (this bike normally does not leak at all). I
switched back to 10-40 dyno oil and it stopped leaking.

What the heck - try it. At least if it starts leaking you'll know
it's an easy fix.

-Nick

[Patrick Hayes]

Guzz...@aol.com wrote:
> That bike looks more like a Falcone Turismo with the wrong gas tank?
> Doesn't look like any Nuovo I've seen before?

Tim, careful with the terminology here. Guzzi made the Falcone Sport
and the Falcone Turismo for many years. The fuel tanks were similar but
had variations in chroming and painting. In 1967 and 1968, they made a
special version for the police which had a 'bread basket' tank similar
to the V7, had wide handlebars, and had an 'anotomica' seat. Of course,
these three items can be quite easily retrofitted with the older version
parts. Otherwise, this is fundamentally identical to all earlier Falcone.

This special police version was known as the FALCONE NUOVO TURISMO, or
Falcone NT as Charlie has correctly identified. This is what I have
with my blue unit and you've ridden with me. The unit Charlie is
selling was this way when new, but the seat and perhaps bars have been
changed.

Now, DO NOT confuse this two-year version bike with the subsequent model
known as the NUOVO FALCONE. They are entirly different beasts. The
Nuovo Falcone has nothing in common with a traditional old Falcone other
than perhaps the chain.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
writing from the National Rally where Joe Rybacek has arrived with his
Falcone.

[Patrick Hayes]

c.d.mul...@att.net wrote:
> Not a Nuovo Falcone - a Falcone_ Nuovo Turismo_ . Came with that tank
> and "western" handlebars.

Hah, referred to in the parts list as "manubrio americano".

Patrick

[David Knetzer]

Wrong handlebars too.

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[John Mead]

Don't Nuovo's have dual rear shocks instead of the spring boxes and scissor dampeners?

John Mead

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> Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: Importing bikes - One for sale here in the US!
> To: guzzi-...@googlegroups.com
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> the wrong gas tank?
> Doesn't look like any Nuovo I've seen before?
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>  Tim Shop

[Guzz...@aol.com]

It would be nice to have a picture of the two of you with your bikes in the beautiful mountains of Colorado.

 

 

 

Tim

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[Guzz...@aol.com]

Not being totally versed on the entire falcone background I stand corrected. My 1959 falcone could have been a military bike now painted red.  The headlight ears are pointed upward. Or maybe the forks were changed? With the flexibility of changing out parts who knows what my Turismo is?

One thing I do know is my super elk will run right along side that blue bike of yours ............

 

Give Senor' Joe a hug for me........... Maybe he'll share some grappa with you.

 

 

Ride safe,

 

 

Tim

 

[Patrick Hayes]

Guzz...@aol.com wrote:
> It would be nice to have a picture of the two of you with your bikes in
> the beautiful mountains of Colorado.

Alas, I am here on the EV, coated with bugs from about six major rides.
I seldom wash it. And rain is forecast off and on throughout this
event so I doubt Joe will be eager to ride very much. His Falcone does
look gorgeous though.

Patrick

[andrew nahum]

The gas tank looks like the one on the first generation 750 ccs V twins .

Andrew

[c.d.mul...@att.net]

Correct handlebars and tank. Check out the photos of the '66 Falcone Turismo on page 411 of Mario Colombo's "80 Years of Moto Guzzi Motorcycles". The tank is different than the V7/early Ambassador part - it's smaller and mounts differently.

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Charlie

 

I like the picture on page 31 in the soft cover Mick Walker book with the yellow 1100 Sport on the cover.

 

 

 

        Tim

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[Michael Blumberg]

Pat --

Thanks for sending me this link last month. I'm sure that was a wonderful
time!! Now "the boss" prefers to go to Sicily instead. We'll see, but
Sardinia looks very, very nice in your photos.

Thanks!

Michael


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Subject: [guzzi-singles] Re: (Fwd): Falcone Sport body parts?


Michael Blumberg wrote:
> Thanks, Andrew -- I really hope we can get up there because the shop
sounds
> pretty special. My wife is intent on visiting places such as Sardinia,
and

If she wants to see Sardegna, maybe a look here first would be helpful.

http://home.comcast.net/~pehayes/sardegna.html

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[Patrick Hayes]

Michael Blumberg wrote:
> Now "the boss" prefers to go to Sicily instead.

I've been to Italy a dozen times and that is the one place I have
missed. Our club went there in the '90s, but it was a year I could not
participate.

Patrick

[Nick Thomas]

Bidding is at $7,500 with 4 days left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Moto-Guzzi-Airone-Sport-/230612964348?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item35b19a93fc#ht_500wt_1144

[John Mead]

Are there differences between a 1954 Sport and the 1952 that I have? Mine has a speedo that sounds like a clock ticking when I stop moving it around. It also does not have a fishtail on the end of the muffler but instead has a round exhaust with a perforated flapper that is controlled by a lever, like the choke lever, on the handle bar.

Mine also has a chrome shield that goes around the frame that looks like it is there to protect the frame from getting scraped by the riders foot when the engine is started with the kickstart.

John Mead

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[Guzz...@aol.com]

John,,, I've heard that your exhaust flapper is for in the city driving, less noise, and you open it up out on the open road? Does that sound right?

 

Tim

[Jerome Kimberlin]

On 4/25/2011 4:30 PM, Guzz...@aol.com wrote:

John,,, I've heard that your exhaust flapper is for in the city driving, less noise, and you open it up out on the open road? Does that sound right?

Tim, that is right.  I bought one of these and put it on Larry Gardini's 1934 GT-17 when I rebuilt it.  Straight pipe with the town/country flip up baffle.  Guy Webster has a Dondolino with one on it also in his collection.  You can get these pipe attachments at the flea markets in Italy.   They really don't work very efficiently, so are probably just for appearance sake.

JerryK

[John Mead]

Yes it does.  You can hear the difference.  My question is was this a standard item, accessory or after market? John Mead

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[Dino]

Any estimates on the value? I have a tourismo and would like to upgrade to a sport. If not this one does anyone have a lead on one in the US?

Dino