Falcone Militare

[RICHARD YAMANE]

I have a friend that has what looks to be a sportified Falcone Militare. It’s not running but very clean, with some wrong stuff on it. Any general consensus on its value? I’m trying to talk him into keeping it but he has a guy who wants to buy it. 

Rick Yamane
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[guzz...@aol.com]

The gas tank looks like the one on my Airone ......

Tim

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[Dave Knaack]

The bike looks pretty nice.  I’d venture a guess of 6-8k  ???? Maybe a little more if I could see it in person 

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[pouma1954]

Considering that it's collectors, not riders who push prices up and that this machine wouldn't interest a collector  if he knew what he was looking at, € 4000 would be a maximum in Europe.

Paul

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[Mike Peavey]

From the wackiness of the saddle position in the photo, I’m wondering if this isn’t a late model Falcone and should have the highly desirable, comfy and impossible to find, saddle like the one picture below. I suggest waiting for Patrick Hayes opinion, he has the Police version.  

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[Rick Yamane]

Mike, although it's hard to tell without a leftside photo, I think it has a heel brake. I mentioned the heel brake to the owner and he neither confirmed it or corrected it. That is a big point that has me thinking it's a sporterized Militare as opposed to a Falcone proper. The photo you sent looks like the same one in Columbo's book that is ID'd as a Militare. They have that cantilever seat. The bike in question also looks funny because of the pillion pad on the rack sits really high. I also noticed these two bikes share an unusual speedo drive. 
I also sent him a photo of Patrick's bike and the owner is pretty sure it's a military/police bike.
Can much be known from the frame and engine numbers? Nail down a date of production? The frame looks like FAG24 and the engine is FAG14.

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[Don-Spada]

There are a couple of Super Alce for sale in the UK for £5.5 and £6k, 

https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1878724 

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1730627  

The latter has been for sale for some time now.

[Alan Comfort]

Not running - $10k

Running - $15-20k

That's what I woiuld pay if I was in the market.

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[Alan Comfort]

One of these passed through my shop a few years ago. It had been sitting for many years. New tires, carb service and general lubrication put it right. I must say that it was the best 'slicer that I have ever ridden.

Alan in Roberts Creek

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[Alan Comfort]

Prices for old bikes in the UK and Europe seem to be falling off the cliff. The North American, Australian and NZ markets seem to remain strong. The British "porridge bikes" (BSA, Triumph, Norton twins, etc.) seem to be on the decline just about everywhere.

The price of just about everything is always high when you want buy and low when you need to sell.

Alan in Roberts Creek

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[Patrick Hayes]

On 5/14/25 09:18, Rick Yamane wrote:
> owner is pretty sure it's a military/police bike.

Who cares? It is a Falcone. Many parts could have been exchanged over
the years.

1-The Falcone in '67 and '68 was produced as an "-NT" version (Nuovo
Turismo, not to be confused with the '70s production of a very different
Nuovo Falcone).

2-If it was originally police or military it likely would have included
an electric siren above the front fender. In order to fit that siren,
the headlamp has to be mounted much higher. Look at the sheet metal
'ears' that support the headlamp. In the pencil drawing image, those
ears are flipped upside down before welding to the forks so that the
headlamp mount is now much higher. The red photo not so. Perhaps not
all were fabricated to include siren?

3-The -NT would have used the cantilever seat (very comfy by the way).
Quite simple to revert that to the older standard Falcone seat.

4-The 1967 would have used the same, round carb as on earlier Falcone.
In '68, for just one year, Guzzi adopted the square slide DelLorto. The
red photo bike is the older carb version and thus likely a '67 (unless
carb was changed).

5-Yes, '67 and '68 would have had a heel brake. Again easily converted
to earlier toe versions.

6-The tank and handlebars would certainly indicate '67 or '68 production.

Looks fine to me but I'm not a purist. I have seen several in Italy
which were re-painted like this to mimic the earlier standard Falcone.
Original tanks of this shape in '67 or '68 would have been mono-color.
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Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Falcone-NT and SuperAlce
www.motohayes.com

[RICHARD YAMANE]

Thanks Patrick,
The owner of the bike is the guy that usually does our shipping. He got it in a collection he bought several years ago. He's got a guy that has been wanting to buy it but it's one of those 'nobody wants to set a price' deals. I think we've all been in some of those, right? He wasn't sure what it was, if it was even a 500.
So we confirmed a good deal through pictures and "The Bible". I think he'll have a good idea of what to ask for it, although I still think he should get it running and ride it a bit. Honestly, if had had space and time for another bike, I'd probably grab it myself. As it is I have committed to another bike already which I do not have space for. I DO NOT dare to roll it into the shop here saying "Chris, look what I bought!" LOL!

Rick Yamane
Importer of Vape/Powerdynamo ignition systems and Polisher of bikes at Motion Pro

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