Differences between a Falcone Sport and Falcone Tourismo?

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Steve

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:26:01 PM6/29/21
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This may have been covered previously.
I have been looking for a Falcone Sport but have come across a very nice Tourismo. Can you tell me the differences, advantages between the two models?
I am pretty new to the Guzzi single world but am totally taken by them.
Thanks,
Steve

Dave Knaack

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:44:40 PM6/29/21
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Not fully sure about the Falcone. The Airone sport has alloy wheels, a larger carburetor and a bit more hp.  A sport is nice but I wouldn’t let it deter a purchase. The enjoyment of riding is very similar!!!
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Patrick Hughes

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:52:14 PM6/29/21
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Steve,
I have a Falcone which is a sport frame with a Turismo engine. The engine on the sport has a domed piston so higher compression and more power. My bike has plenty enough power for me, I don't ride flat out and prefer to enjoy the views. Whichever you get you will have fun.

Regards Patrick in the UK
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Rick Yamane

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:05:36 PM6/29/21
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Doesn’t the Sport also have lower bars and the toe foot controls whereas the Tourismo has the heel controls?

Steve

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:06:14 PM6/29/21
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Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your reply.  You have a great looking bike...

Good to know the Tourismo engine works well for you.

Do you know what other differences there are between the two bikes?  What the frame differences are, etc.?

I'm getting pretty excited in that I might actually get one of these cool machines.

I am in the U.S. in Oregon.

Thanks,

Steve

Patrick Hughes

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:45:09 PM6/29/21
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Correct



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pouma1954

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Jun 29, 2021, 3:06:54 PM6/29/21
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5 hp more on the Sport and alloy rims.

Paul



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pouma1954

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Jun 29, 2021, 3:08:33 PM6/29/21
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Yes, Sport has toe rather than heel rear brake.

Paul


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John Ray

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Jun 29, 2021, 5:51:57 PM6/29/21
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Sports also have a larger 29mm carb.

Alan Comfort

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Jun 29, 2021, 7:23:27 PM6/29/21
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There are a lot of Tourismos, ex-police bikes and even Astores and GTVs  that have been tarted up to look like Sports. Some of the give-aways that point to the bike being something other than a Falcone Sport when it left the factory include the position of the headlight ears, rear brake lever location, carburetor size, flat top piston, handlebars, crash box transmission, holes in the rear fender for luggage rack, steel wheel rims, rear hub and the serial number. I am not sure, but I think that the Sport had an "S" prefix in the number. None of this matters unless the bike is being purchased as an investment. The Sport is marginally quicker, but they all are charming and addictive to ride in any form. If you find one that is well maintained, you will not regret your purchase unless you need to keep up with the BSA Gold Stars, Velocettes and Norton singles of the era. With simple maintenance, these old Guzzis will run reliably for years and thousands of miles.
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Steve

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Jun 29, 2021, 8:59:23 PM6/29/21
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OK, this has been extremely informative.  And, Alan, your description of the differences is quite complete and in depth.  Thank you.
This brings me to another comparative question.  What is the difference in dollars or euros in value?  Or is it just a question of what the market will bring with a particular bike and buyer?  I was definitely after a Sport but have come across a very nice Tourismo at a Sport price.

Alan Comfort

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Jun 29, 2021, 10:23:38 PM6/29/21
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A very nicely turned out Falcone Sport sold at auction recently for $33k USD. You might find one in Europe for less than that. Falcone Turismos, GTVS, Astores and Alces generally sell for about half that amount and you can pick up a very nice Airone for around $10k. I think that it is a matter of being in the right place at the right time. If I was in the market for a Falcone Sport, I would consider a trip to Italy and hit the Mostra Scambio with cash in hand. It is difficult to predict the price trajectory of motor vehicles, but if you watch the auctions and Internet sites like BaT, eBay and Subito, it won't take long to get a feel for the current retail value of these bikes. Unless you know the owner and/or have the complete service history of a given bike, you should count on making some serious repairs and price it accordingly. You should also consider the fact that there are very few people (especially in North America) who have experience in fixing these bikes or sourcing parts. If you cannot do major repairs and routine maintenance yourself, or if you do not have the patience to track down parts, these bikes can be a money pit or a very expensive ornament.
Alan in Roberts Creek

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SED Sci

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Jun 30, 2021, 12:29:13 AM6/30/21
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Mine was a money pit, but now I know how to fix it.  Mostly...  ;)

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there are a lot of currency converters on the web for free ,,,,,,,,

Tim


pouma1954

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Jun 30, 2021, 3:14:27 AM6/30/21
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That is true of a lot of old metal. Be prepared to add 50 to 100% to the initial price.

Paul 



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Antonio Ricciardi

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Jul 8, 2021, 9:36:15 AM7/8/21
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Ok, I am going to add a few details to confuse you guys more about the difference between falcone, falcone sport and previous models. the Falcones have aluminum cylinders  and head with enclosed valves; The Astore also has the same cylinder and head; the sport falcone has higher compression piston and different camshaft; the turismo has the same cams and piston (lower compression) as the astore and GTV; the both falcones have the same gearbox (constant mesh), the Astore and gtv have the crush in gearbox; the falcones gear boxes cannot be retro fitted to previous models: both falcones have the same crank cases to accomodate the different gear box and have 3 reinforcement ribs visible behind the flywheel;  the sport falcone has a dell'orto  SS29A, all the others that I mentioned hav the dell'orto MD27F;   the falcones have a shorter spring pack under the engine; the falcones engine will not fit in the astore or gtv frame without some modification; the sport falcone has a con rod without the moto guzzi name cast in it and the cap of the big end is lightened; you can fit  piston, rod, cams,followers and pushrods from the sport to all the other models but since the sport has higher lift it will wear the other models guides with side "push", also the sport has a smaller (yes smaller exhaust valve, to increase the compression ratio); the sport also has aluminum rims. through the years many sport had adopted parts made for the turismos sold to the highway patrol, but only the sport has the special gear shift lever and rear brake pedals. there are some more ancillary differences but are noy  All this means that one can trick up an Astore and gtv to go as fast as the sport falcone ( 120 kmh vs, 140 kmh) but if you want an original sport you have to look carefully  and make sure of what you are looking at.   Let me know if you want to know more.  Zipolo. 

John O Regan

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Jul 8, 2021, 4:55:00 PM7/8/21
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Hi Antonio,
Do You know which type of cam and piston should be fitted to the GTW model?
I know  the Guzzi has its own charms and mine runs really nicely with good compression, timing and every
thing else are all good, On a flat straight road I wound it up to 100kmh indicated by a GPS speedo but it did not seem very happy at that

John

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Jerome Kimberlin

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Jul 8, 2021, 6:43:24 PM7/8/21
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In my '37 GTW I have a Falcone piston and cam.  I also shaved 0.040" off the head and put roller bearings in/on the cam.  I can get about 120 kmh on my bicycle speedo.

JerryK

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