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Patrick Hayes

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Mar 8, 2025, 5:08:06 PM3/8/25
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Time to come clean. Many of you have expressed an interest in my Clutch
Button Bearing modification. I came up with this modification several
years ago. I'm not a professional machinist. I made and sold these at
basic cost just so I had something to do in my spare time and to afford
to buy a pint now and then. I've hand delivered a few in Italy. I sold
a small bunch around the US. I've even posted a few to the OZ people.
I didn't do it for money. I have no proprietary interest in the data.
You want some? Find a way to make your own. You know someone with the
skills and machinery to duplicate this? Please make a bunch and share
them back with the Guzzi community at cost like I did. The part should
fit Falcone, Airone,GTV and some other models. Confirm if your bike
uses original stock part number M080/080 ter.

Dimension of the two pieces I make are here:
https://i.postimg.cc/s27XqJZX/Clutch-Button-Specs.jpg

Dimensions on the diagram are in thousandths of an inch.

Pictures of the separate pieces and full assembly can be found here:
http://www.motohayes.com/shoptask/clutchbutton/clutchbutton.html
Alas, those pictures don't show that I finish the base piece with a
1/16" thru-hole so that I don't capture an air bubble above the grease
when assembling the cap and allows for excess grease to easily just push
out.

Both of the fabricated pieces have slight chamfering on every edge just
because.

Think first to figure out how to fabricate without painting yourself in
a corner. Clamp here, turn there. Suddenly you realize you just cut
off what you need to clamp in order to perform the next operation.

Fast forward in life.

I am currently burdened with managing a complex, in-law family Trust.
Likely to be at it throughout 2025. Even involves evicting a
non-compliant tenant so I can sell property. I've been on my motorbike
exactly four times this year and each was a short trip to an attorney or
CPA. Meanwhile my daughter-in-law has been forced back to formal office
work instead of work from home. So, now in my golden years I get to
chase my two year old GrandSon for three days every week (the actual
singular joy of my current life, motos be damned). I'm slacking on my
responsibility as Handicap Chair for my golf Club. I can't recall doing
any serious maintenance on any of my motos.
.
.
.
. and in my spare time....

The bearing sandwich is a standard design from many sources. Last batch
I bought came from Amazon. Browse for a "thrust bearing" number F6-14M.
That will be a set of caged balls and two special race washers that
have radiused grooves to track the balls. Any other good bearing house
would likely supply something similar. The three piece sandwich has
dimensions of:
Inner Diameter: 6mm
Outer Diameter: 14mm
Sandwich stack height: 5mm
Usually only a few bucks each and usually sold ten at a time.
The balls are made of Chrome Steel(AISI 52100)
Various manufacturers around the world. Various quality and
durability??????

The support base and cover/cap are as shown in the web pages above. My
crude diagram is not to scale. I have been using Stainless Steel #303
because I like the way it cuts. Other metals would likely work just
fine. If you are a certified metallurgist then go ahead and opine. No
corrosion as the bits are always covered in grease. The parts are not
sealed for water or grime intrusion. Neither was the factory original.
The factory original was a cup nested over another cup. Better
protection for the parts, but not a 'seal' by any definition. My
version is a snap to remove/lubricate/reinstall so you can have fresh
grease every day on your tour and not worry about the dirt. No risk of
losing balls.

Feel free to modify the design and dimensions as you see fit. The stem
that mounts into the clutch throwout rod is a bit of a crap shoot. I
measured a number of samples to get that dimension. Problem is that the
factory original throwout rod isn't necessarily consistent in dimension
and usage wear over time can open up the entry hole in the end. I went
for an 'average' size OD for the stem on my base piece. Like the three
bears, some will be too loose and some too tight and some might be just
right. Better to be too tight. Anyone with an electric drill and a fine
bastard file could knock down the OD dimension for a custom fit. Nice
to have it snug but should always be removable by hand pinch without
needing tools.

I did try to make a nested cup-over-cup version for better protection,
but it required more precision and a lot more steps and time. Not worth
it if you can just throw this version away and do another.

Does anyone have CAD skills? Could you do a nicer, more-professional
drawing and dimensions to scale and produce a PDF for open source
distribution like I did? Send a more-professional version back to me?

Do you have a quality small size CNC lathe? These are really trivial,
unsophisticated parts. Could you turn out a small bunch now and then to
distribute at cost as I have? I don't have CNC so every one of mine is
a unique one-off with individual characteristics (er, flaws). It really
is not a commercial item. You could never sell for the time invested in
one off production. After that there certainly isn't a huge market to
supply.

Some day I'll come up for air and turn out a bunch more. But don't hold
your breath. Until then, someone else please step up.

Questions? Go ahead, but reply may be delayed. I have to change
diapers. As always, YMMV.

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ksteenst

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I was one of those "Oz people"!  And I thank you Patrick.  For that and all the sage advice provided over the years of my Airone custodianship... It is running better than ever , still starts 1st or 2nd kick and can take me "there and back again" albeit at a leisurely pace. 

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Mike Curtis

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Mar 8, 2025, 11:31:19 PM3/8/25
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There’s machine shop here in Ft Worth that does little motorcycle odds n ends for me from time to time.  Unless somebody has a better idea, I think I’ll ride by one day next week and have him knockout a few.  I think I will put one on my Airone and one on my  Falcone and carry the originals as spares.  Have no idea what they will cost but I don’t imagine much.  Happy to pass them on at actual cost; you pay the postage.  Check in here, or with Pat, or directly to me so I have some numbers.  Pat you might suggest your impression of a good rough number based on inquiries.  Thanks for all you do Pat.  Best luck with your current challenges.  I’m confidant that they are in good hands.   Mike
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Patrick Hayes

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On 3/8/25 20:31, 'Mike Curtis' via Guzzi Singles wrote:
> here’s machine shop here in Ft Worth that does little motorcycle odds n
> ends for me from time to time.

If someone has a CNC lathe they would write a simple program to generate
the parts. That program data might be instantly transferable to other
lathes and the second guide just has to punch out the results. Consider
sharing the computer files. If someone modifies some dimension to
improve the system please share the mod.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

Richard Harding

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Mar 9, 2025, 7:39:46 AM3/9/25
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Thanks Patrick - I'll take a crack at producing a CAD file for and I'm going to get my friend to make up a couple for testing on my SA

Dave Knaack

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Mar 9, 2025, 8:16:00 AM3/9/25
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Great, keep us posted!
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Thanks Patrick - I'll take a crack at producing a CAD file for and I'm going to get my friend to make up a couple for testing on my SA
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Mar 9, 2025, 10:01:58 PM3/9/25
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I wpuld certainly like one of the button bearings.   bobka...@verizon.net

Rick Yamane

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Mar 10, 2025, 11:44:02 AM3/10/25
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Thanks Patrick!
I was going to give it a try on our old lathe here at the shop. If someone does do some on a CNC run I'm sure that would make sense in a time and money senario. I need to confirm the parts will work on my GTV but would probably want a set on hand for Chris' Falcone at least. I'll be sure to let folks know how it goes for me.

Good luck and best wishes on the estate work. I know that probably won't be an easy job.
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Subject: [guzzi-singles] Clutch Button Bearing Data
 
Time to come clean.  Many of you have expressed an interest in my Clutch
Button Bearing modification.  I came up with this modification several
years ago.  I'm not a professional machinist.  I made and sold these at
basic cost just so I had something to do in my spare time and to afford
to buy a pint now and then.  I've hand delivered a few in Italy.  I sold
a small bunch around the US.  I've even posted a few to the OZ people.
I didn't do it for money.  I have no proprietary interest in the data.
You want some? Find a way to make your own.  You know someone with the
skills and machinery to duplicate this?  Please make a bunch and share
them back with the Guzzi community at cost like I did.  The part should
fit Falcone, Airone,GTV and some other models.  Confirm if your bike
uses original stock part number M080/080 ter.

Dimension of the two pieces I make are here:


Dimensions on the diagram are in thousandths of an inch.

Pictures of the separate pieces and full assembly can be found here:


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Joe Joseph

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Mar 10, 2025, 12:32:35 PM3/10/25
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Rick

I drew Patrick's dimensions in Fusion 360 and have attached them to this email. I sent it to him this morning to check the dimensions BUT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY PATRICK YET!! However, as a working document it should be good to go. I converted Patrick's Imperial measurements to metric. I do have a CNC but unfortunately it's in Boston and I'm in Miami until May and can't make any until then. Let me know if you cannot open the three pdf attachments.

Joe

Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Assembly.pdf
Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Outer Sleeve.pdf
Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Inner Shaft.pdf

Rick Yamane

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Mar 10, 2025, 1:37:12 PM3/10/25
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Thanks Joe!
I usually work off my freehand sketches on notepaper. Even Patrick's drawings looked good to me. What a treat!  🙂
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Joe Joseph

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Mar 10, 2025, 3:54:42 PM3/10/25
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Here are the final drawings, checked by Patrick, for his modified clutch thrust bearing. Disregard the earlier drawings.

Joe
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Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Assembly Final.pdf
Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Inner Shaft Final.pdf
Moto Guzzi Clutch Button Outer Sleeve Final.pdf

Richard Harding

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Mar 10, 2025, 4:18:21 PM3/10/25
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Brilliant - beat me to it - thanks Joe and Patrick - I'll be getting some of these made up 

Mike Curtis

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Mar 10, 2025, 10:13:11 PM3/10/25
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Richard I’d be good for three if it helps. Let me know when and how much.  Thanks,  Mike Curtis
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Brilliant - beat me to it - thanks Joe and Patrick - I'll be getting some of these made up 

Andrew Nahum

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Mar 11, 2025, 1:17:12 PM3/11/25
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Please put me down for one. Great idea.

Andrew (1949 Airone)

Richard Harding

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Mar 11, 2025, 1:24:05 PM3/11/25
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I've emailed him the drawings to get an idea of cost and lead time (he's super busy so don't hold your breath)



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Rick Yamane

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Mar 12, 2025, 12:38:56 PM3/12/25
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Thanks Patrick and Joe!
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Martin Seymour

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Jul 4, 2026, 3:08:47 PMJul 4
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Hi All,

I'm having trouble with my Airone Sport clutch and button and on searching I came accross this thread. Was there any furthe rnews on getting some of the modified ones produced? 


Thanks - martin

Andrew Nahum

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Am I right that Patrick had made some with a simple ring of engineering nylon instead of all those tiny disappearing balls?  (Delrin is one trade name). It occurs to me that it should be possible to just use a simple drop in nylon ring in an old inner and outer set replacing the balls.  If so I’d make it slightly thicker than the existing ball diameter as it will probably bed in to the old tracks.  Any competent machinist should easily be able to turn rings like that. There should also be clearance on the inner and outer diameters too.  I suspect phosphor bronze would also work. Grease them up well. 
Mike Peavey pointed out that their are slightly different outer diameters in different Airone models which seems just nuts on the part of Guzzi. So a reasonable fix to replace the balls in the bearing you have could be the simplest solution. 
Btw I did last summer buy a ‘real’ new old stock complete clutch release bearing from Marco at Guzzi Retro. Maybe he has some.  I’ve yet to see if I can coax the outer into the housing or maybe we can skim the OD in the lathe if oversize.  If undersized I’d use bearing fit loctite but I am a barbarian.  The sticky fluid film would tend to center the outer into that case, if the bike was lying on its side!  We all have old mattresses for that?!!

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Hi All,

PATRICK HAYES

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I'm traveling much of this month. It will be some time before I can fabricate more bearings. My version uses a pressed steel cage capturing an of number of balls. No loose bits to go flying. You can still loose the whole thing if you break a clutch cable. Tolerances are very loose and unimportant. I just finished the 800 mile Moto Melee. My bearing has at least 4K miles. I did add a tiny dab of grease on the second morning but probably didn't need it. The system is self-centering as the two race washers have semicircular groves to control the rolling balls.  Maybe later in the summer I'll make more. The dimensions are out there public. 
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

jerry atric

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Jul 5, 2026, 2:34:21 PMJul 5
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I'm surprised that the button assemblies are different sizes, that complicates manufacture in the numbers we are talking about. I have a local precision engineer who enjoys little jobs like this and is very quick. Sadly, the delay is usually at my end for much the same reason as Patrick at the moment.
As an extra precaution, I have a loop of locking wire round the gearchange rod and clutch actuating lever so if the cable  does brake or come adrift, the bearings can't escape.

George Smith Located Norfolk UK

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Jul 5, 2026, 2:56:31 PMJul 5
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Now I know what the loop of wire is for on my SuperAlce that you once owned.

jerry atric

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YES!😂

vanuss...@gmail.com

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I am running my Airone on a Vesconite one since years,perfectly OK

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Martin Seymour

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Do you have any photos and dimensions?

Andrew Nahum

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Dirk - where did you get Vesconite in small quantities?  It looks like better stuff than Delrin nylon. Andrew

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Vesconite Hilube is self greasing and used for car suspension.Also for thrust bearing on ship's propellors shafts.
 I bought it as a 1 meter shaft and used it to replace the bronze bushes in my prewar car's spring suspension.
It can be found in small quantity as the scale steam engine builders use it as well. Just make a part to fill the cavity in the button,have a small hole to fit over the protruding  steel or grind that off. Put a smear of grease on and that's it!
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jerry atric

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Jul 7, 2026, 10:06:47 AMJul 7
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It strikes me that the bearings aren't really the problem (as long as you don't loose them!), but rather the actuating stud/bolt/screw and how it acts on the outer cup.

jef walker

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Hi,
I put a spring on the actuating arm so if my cable breaks the spring holds the arm in place, so no lost bearings.

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Andrew Nahum

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Great, thanks. I'll look on the model engineer sites.
A

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Patrick Hayes

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On 7/4/26 16:13, Andrew Nahum wrote:
> Am I right that Patrick had made some with a simple ring of engineering
> nylon instead of all those tiny disappearing balls?

No. I was able to use a system of commercial caged balls and race
washers. Does not fit the original cup parts. I fabricated my own cup
parts to fit the caged ball system. Lots of touring use to verify
functionality.



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Andrew Nahum

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Many thanks. Have you found there are different ODs on the outer cup/
Andrew

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Andrew Nahum

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Can someone remind me what size the balls are in the standard Airone clutch button?
I had an idea they were 0.7 or 0.8 mm

Many thanks
Andrew
London, UK

Patrick Hayes

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On 8/22/26 10:09, Andrew Nahum wrote:
> Can someone remind me what size the balls are in the standard Airone
> clutch button?
> I had an idea they were 0.7 or 0.8 mm

Andrew: I have a stash and measured some. As they are metric bearings
from Italy, the balls should be 3mm. By math conversion that should be
0.118" although mine all measure 0.117". I also have some SAE
replacement balls listed as '1/8th' which measure out at 0.123". Should
be enough slop in the design for substitution.

I have abandoned all such folly and converted to caged balls and
matching race washers. Hard riding for thousands of miles without
issue. We shared the dimensions last year so people could fabricate
their own.

http://www.motohayes.com/shoptask/clutchbutton/clutchbutton.html


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Rick Yamane

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If you have any trouble finding high grade loose balls, try your local bicycle shop. 
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On 8/22/26 10:09, Andrew Nahum wrote:
> Can someone remind me what size the balls are in the standard Airone
> clutch button?
> I had an idea they were 0.7 or 0.8 mm

Andrew:  I have a stash and measured some.  As they are metric bearings
from Italy, the balls should be 3mm.  By math conversion that should be
0.118" although mine all measure 0.117".  I also have some SAE
replacement balls listed as '1/8th' which measure out at 0.123".  Should
be enough slop  in the design for substitution.

I have abandoned all such folly and converted to caged balls and
matching race washers.  Hard riding for thousands of miles without
issue.  We shared the dimensions last year so people could fabricate
their own.




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Andrew Nahum

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Patrick , Rick
Many thanks to you both.  I have found the original release bearing very reliable over 3 Airones until the tracks wore on by favourite one and I had to machine about half a millimetre off the cup outer to stop it binding on the inner part.  In the process about 3 of the balls escaped!  It works nicely now even so.  Obviously the tracks are worn but I think it will “ last my time “ especially with Rick’s mention of the oversized  1/8 imperial balls. The cycle shop idea is great. It hadn’t occurred to  me.  I had forgotten my time playing wth cup and cone bearings as a teenage cyclist. 
Thanks again, 
Andrew 
London   UK

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RICHARD YAMANE

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Aug 23, 2026, 1:03:53 AMAug 23
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Actually Patrick mentioned all the size data. I just remember having to rebuild a clutch throw out on a Jawa Six Days wondering where the heck I’d find bearings. A guy told me they were all Imperial sized and bike shops were the easiest place to get them. I’ve had people want to argue about the sizing so I don’t bring that up anymore. 

Rick Yamane
Importer of Vape/Powerdynamo ignition systems and Polisher of bikes at Motion Pro

Andrew Nahum

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PS 
Patrick,
Many thanks too for sharing the details of your redesign of the race. It is clearly a far superior solution. 
Andrew

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Andrew Nahum

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PS
Patrick,
Many thanks too for sharing the details of your redesign of the race. It is clearly a far superior solution.
Andrew


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