MA's similar to Guided Chaos

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Ryothamus

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Feb 29, 2016, 10:56:03 AM2/29/16
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Hi everyone,

I'm glad of posting for the first time in this Forum. 
I thought it would be interesting to share with everyone some interesting stuff  about martial arts that (to my inexperienced eye) greatly resemble Guided Chaos. It would be even more interesting if more people in the forum contributed with similar material. I would like to listen the opinions of advanced students and teachers.

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He's an italian Wing Chun master, on of the best and more realistic I've seen.

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Feb 29, 2016, 3:03:11 PM2/29/16
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Admin posting for Bob Miller, (Corrections Officer at the largest facility in Oregon):

"It's been forever since I've posted. I know I need to explain what I'm about to say is going to need a longer explanation; but as my busy life goes I don't have the time. I've worked with Wing Chung guys in the past. The most advanced was Daryl Tate. I'm a little apprehensive to post what he said because it's about me and my training sessions with him. Although Master Al Ridenhour  is mentioned at the top. Living 2800 miles away does have it's advantages when talking smack to Al ☺. I'd like to say that GC is not like anything out there. There are similar concepts and stuff that looks similar; but I can say with full confidence it's not the same. You really can't get a feel for GC without having one of the Masters or at least a 3 degree lay hands on you. I'm amazed and changed every time I get the privilege to work out with them. The material of GC is very serious but the atmosphere is very laid back. There's no my kung fu is better than your kung fu attitude. I also recommend checking out all the other endorsements. Here: http://attackproof.com/PRAISE-FOR-ATTACKPROOF-self-defense-training.html "

Respectfully,

Bob Miller 


PS I'm not knocking this instructor. He looks very skilled at his art.

From the State of Oregon
Defensive Tactics Coordinator (DPSST):

"The frustrating part is explaining how flawless the system is."

"Last month I had the honor of hosting Guided Chaos' first seminar in Salem, OR, and it was unbelievable. I say this because if I was not already familiar with the system, and heard about a seminar that improved the participants moving and hitting so drastically that after two days, they were literally unrecognizable; I wouldn't believe it. I have been training people in self defense for over twenty years, and I have never witnessed anything like this. Al Ridenhour is a 10+. His articulation and demonstration of the system practically made it impossible not to understand. Not only have my guys not stopped talking about the training, but they have a whole new level of desire to work on the drills and get better.  

Daryl Tate, Defensive Tactics instructorThe only frustrating part is explaining, in my opinion, how flawless the system is. I remember shortly after the seminar, I was reflecting on the training with my wife, who is also a martial artist, and summed it up by saying, "If God ever needed a martial art, then Guided Chaos would be His only choice."


Lt. Daryl Tate

Defensive Tactics Coordinator
Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (DPSST)
Salem, OR


"For the past several months, I have been researching Guided Chaos. From my first viewing on You Tube, I was blown away to say the least. “These people,” I thought to myself, “are speaking my language.”  So, I bought my first DVD; and ever since then I have been charged to learn more. Several DVD’s later; my desire to learn more about this art was not satisfied. I was compelled to feel this system from a qualified instructor. I checked the website, and although there was not an instructor where I reside in Oregon, there was one in neighboring Idaho—Mr. Bob Miller. I contacted Mr. Miller and explained to him how much I would like to meet with him, and learn firsthand how Guided Chaos works. Not long after our first conversation, Mr. Miller was going to be in town for a couple of days on other business, so we planned two evening sessions.

Leading up to our first session, I became even more engrossed in the system. The more I studied the DVD’s, and read the Attack Proof book, the more I started to think that this was just another way of expressing Wing Chun, one of many arts that I have studied. The contact flow used in Guided Chaos is, at least visually, very similar to the way I was taught chi sau. Then I purchased the Contact Flow Workshop DVD with Grandmaster Tim Carron. This was almost the deciding factor that Guided Chaos was Wing Chun done over. However, I could not shake the thought that there might be something different in the feeling and application of this art. I was right.

First of all let me say that I have been a martial artist since I was a kid, and have trained with many experts in various systems. With that said, training with Bob Miller was one of the most gratifying experiences in my martial arts career. He started out explaining the whole idea around some of the major principles of the system like body unity, looseness, balance, and sensitivity to name a few. He asked if I had been practicing any of the balancing exercises, which I had. He then asked me to demonstrate them, and made some minor corrections that enabled me to perform the exercises easier.

The turning point for me came when he initiated me into the world of contact flow. As an instructor in Wing Chun, I’d like to believe that my sensitivity and balance are at a stellar level. But the second Mr. Miller and I made contact—he was gone.  I was touching his arms, but barely. Every time I tried to move in, he was gone or he would gently push me aside, causing me to lose my balance. No matter how much I attempted to get a better read on him, the best I could do was to barely touch him.For me, this was both frustrating and intriguing. My frustration came from having a high level of chi sau ability. I was always able to sense movements, even from people of a technically higher ranking than I. Mr. Miller, however, had me going in circles at will. I was intrigued because I wanted to know how he was doing it. How was he able to manipulate me in ways no other martial artist has? I kept trying to observe how he was moving, with the hopes that my, “Ah-Ha!” moment would come, and my chi sau skill would shine through. I soon learned that, although it looks similar, contact flow is at a much deeper level than chi sau.

We continued training into late evening, and went through a great deal of material. When I got home, I could not resist the temptation to practice what I had learned. Needless to say, I was up half the night trying to ingrain the evening lesson.

The following evening we spent considerable time doing slow contact flow. Admittedly, when I first observed this on the DVD, I did not appreciate the value. But like so many things, Mr. Miller changed my opinion. Doing contact flow at a snail’s pace unlocked a door for me. After just a few minutes, everything that he was saying became even clearer. The whole idea about being rooted, taking balance, and using the lightest of contact to feel the other’s movements, caused the, “Ah-Ha,” moment that I was seeking the night before.

At the end of our session, Mr. Miller left me wanting more. Mr. Miller not only gave me a brand new vigor to learn this art, he accomplished something that has never been done. He made me a better martial artist in just two evenings.  

Recently, I have read some unfavorable comments about Guided Chaos. I refuse to refer to these opinions as reviews because to review something, you must fully experience it. For those individuals, I implore them to seek out a qualified instructor, because there is only one way to fully appreciate this art, and that is by feel."

Lt. Daryl Tate
Defensive Tactics Coordinator
Training Division
Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (DPSST), State of Oregon


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